2010.03.09 13:00 - Droppings... and hidden gems

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Storm Nordwind. The comments are by Storm Nordwind.

    This session quickly becomes an active discussion on 'dropping'. In itself that is very interesting. After an hour, however, many people leave and the style of the conversation changes distinctly. What then ensues is also very interesting in its own way.

    The title of this chat log is a slightly mischievous play on the word 'droppings', and the juxtaposition of the idea of 'hidden gems' is quite intentional. You'll have to read through the entire chat log, and access all the links provided, to understand why your guardian's sense of humor became so twisted in this way!

    But first, let's be serious... (!)

    On arrival there is some light-hearted chit-chat about the weather we're experiencing.

    Pema Pera: Hi Storm!
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Pema!
    Pema Pera: and hi again, Calvino!
    Storm Nordwind: Hello Cal :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Greetings !
    Pema Pera: Calvino and I just had a walk in the woods, here in Princeton, in RL
    Storm Nordwind: Very nice. Warm?
    Pema Pera: it's amazingly warm, in the sixties
    Qt Core: hi all
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Qt
    Pema Pera: with still a bit of snow left from last week
    Pema Pera: hi Qt!
    Storm Nordwind looks at the temperature outside... 10C/50F here
    Pema Pera: How's Boulder?
    Pema Pera: pretty nice too!
    Storm Nordwind: Not been to Boulder for a few weeks... it's 45 minutes from here
    Qt Core: 0C and snowing here in nortjern italy
    Pema Pera: sorry, Denver I meant :-)
    Pema Pera: I know more people in Boulder, so I made a mental sideslip
    Storm Nordwind: haha! had the first rain since October yesterday
    Storm Nordwind: Going down to Crestone on Friday
    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni admits to some envy about the Crestone visit
    Qt Core: we are told we are getting the same cold that froze the Baltic sea last week
    Storm Nordwind tries to remember what this 'sea' thing is :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
    Pema Pera: Hi Agatha!
    Pema Pera: Good to see you again!
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Agatha!
    Qt Core: hi Agatha
    Agatha Macbeth: You too :)
    Calvino Rabeni: If you set your SL draw horizon to its minimum, you'll see something sealike
    Pema Pera: :)
    Storm Nordwind: I've lived close to the sea for so long - more than 50 years - that it's odd to find it nearly 1000 miles away. I've swapped real sea for real mountains I guess.
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww

    We start to talk about 'dropping'.
    Pema Pera: Agatha, I saw in one of the chat logs of last week that you were wondering about the idea of "dropping what you have to see what you are" -- indeed a somewhat enigmatic sentence :)
    Agatha Macbeth: I did?
    Pema Pera: does it make some sense, or no sense (or counter-sense)?
    Pema Pera seems to remember so . . . scratching his head
    Agatha Macbeth: Knowing me, probably nonsense :_
    Bleu Oleander: (hi everyone)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: :p
    Qt Core: hi Bleu
    Pema Pera: hi Bleu!
    Agatha Macbeth: Hello Bleu
    Pema Pera: I think someone asked whether you had been playing with the 9-sec breaks -- that was the context
    Agatha Macbeth: Sorry I've been to bed since then, so I don't remember ;-)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Storm Nordwind: Brain reset :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Agatha Macbeth: That looks ok to me

    The difference between 'having' and 'being'.
    Pema Pera: does the whole notion of differentiating between having and being make some sense?
    Agatha Macbeth: Well you can be without having I guess
    Agatha Macbeth: But you can't have without being
    Agatha Macbeth: Or something

    Shoshin! :))
    Pema Pera: yes, that's a key point . . . and the fun is figuring what each can mean in practice -- in the practice of daily life
    Pema Pera: I consider myself very much still a beginner in that respect
    Agatha Macbeth: Right
    Agatha Macbeth: YOU do?
    Pema Pera: our everyday language is so funny
    Pema Pera: oh, sure!
    Agatha Macbeth: No hope for the rest then?
    Storm Nordwind: Plenty of hope!
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh ok
    Bleu Oleander: maybe you've had a bit of a headstart, Pema?

    Labels and identification vs. actual experience.
    Pema Pera: we say "I am rich/poor" but "I have/don't have money" -- we mix having and being right and left
    Pema Pera: for every "have" example we have a "be" example in our language -- no wonder we are confused
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Storm Nordwind: People seem to be used to applying labels to things... and then forgetting that they're labels and start identifying with them
    Agatha Macbeth: They remember the labels and forget the things?
    Pema Pera: What I find most helpful is not to argue/analyze too much, but rather to compare notes about our direct experience, for example in this group. -- and yes, to report on how we encounter those labels and those identifications in our actual experience.
    Pema Pera: hi Wol!
    Wol Euler: hello invisibles
    Bleu Oleander: hi Wol
    Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Wol :)))
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Wol
    Pema Pera: hello visible imponderable!
    Qt Core: hi Wol
    Agatha Macbeth: Escaped early tonight then?
    Wol Euler: yeah, first time in seven consecutive days that I got away before 9:30
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    Agatha Macbeth: Workaholic!
    Pema Pera: hi Zen!
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    Agatha Macbeth: Evening Zen
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Zen :)
    Bleu Oleander: hi Zen
    Wol Euler: (sorry to interrupt, please continue)
    Storm Nordwind: (We were discussing stuff around "dropping what you have to see what you are" )
    Wol Euler: ty
    Agatha Macbeth reads back to remember what we were talking about

    Thoughts like pets!
    Pema Pera: As just one example, of sharing experiences: when I just did a short 9-sec break, earlier this afternoon, it hit me again how we "have" thoughts, when you really look at them, like pets running around, even though we normally identify so totally with them, and get carried away that way
    Pema Pera: any other description of what happens, experimentally, when trying to drop what you have to see what you are?
    Pema Pera: (for me it's different each time I try to do it)

    I seem to be carrying such a lot!
    Storm Nordwind: My first immediate experience is often "What a huge inventory I have!"
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Join the club :)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Agatha Macbeth: Mind you, if you take the clothes out of mine there's not much left

    Should we sort what can be dropped and perhaps go for 'quick wins'?
    Calvino Rabeni: Sometimes I just ask myself - "is there something I'm holding right now, that I'd like to be free from?" and then I'll get a "response" to that question, and I find it very droppable
    Calvino Rabeni: And then when I drop, things feel different in a way I like
    Calvino Rabeni: So sometimes the dropping idea works like that
    Storm Nordwind: Do you find it as easy to drop the things you like?
    Pema Pera: can you give a specific concrete example, Calvino?
    Calvino Rabeni: I don't worry about that - clearing space dropping the others is a big first step
    Bleu Oleander: how long do "things" stay dropped?
    Calvino Rabeni: Of course
    Zen Arado: I find it hard to drop attachments
    Calvino Rabeni: You can only drop particular things, in my opnion, not categories
    Bleu Oleander: do you have to maintain attention to them to keep them dropped?
    Agatha Macbeth: Attatchments to things or people Zen?
    Wol Euler: interesting question, bleu ;)
    Calvino Rabeni: For instance, "I'm supposed to be productive right now"
    Calvino Rabeni: Or, "my attention has to stay focused continuously"
    Calvino Rabeni: Or a goal I"m aware of being focused on
    Zen Arado: people especially
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Calvino Rabeni: Or, it matters what happens with so-and-so
    Pema Pera: (Interesting question, Bleu! Another thing I like to play with :) sometimes they jump right back, sometimes they take a while)
    Calvino Rabeni: or - I'd *really* rather be doing such and such other thing right now
    Zen Arado: what kind of things do we form deep attachmenta to ?
    Pema Pera: ((haha, just notice Wol and I thought identically))
    Calvino Rabeni: Baby steps - start with the easily dropped baggage
    Wol Euler: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Well in my case more to people than to things

    Play at dropping!
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm not going to be macho and say - hey, I'll drop GRAVITY so there!
    Zen Arado: yes me too Aga
    Agatha Macbeth: Ok Isaac
    Agatha Macbeth smiles @ Zen
    Pema Pera: oh, but you can drop your automatic response to gravity, by taking a lighter gait for example!
    Agatha Macbeth: Or using a balloon?
    Pema Pera: dropping your shoulders, for one thing
    Zen Arado: habitual reactive patterns
    Calvino Rabeni: People - yes is a big part of what is going on in - other people
    Storm Nordwind: Isn't that dropping one thing and taking up another thing Pema?
    Calvino Rabeni: BUt it has to be in the moment I believe
    Pema Pera: oh, sure, that's part of the play :)
    Pema Pera: (to Storm)
    Calvino Rabeni: Not like - right now I'll drop my reactive pattern of what happens on holidays with my family :)
    Agatha Macbeth: (Strange bell)

    What 'dropping' is intended to mean.
    Pema Pera: the "dropping" in PaB is not meant as "getting rid of" (like gravity) but "dropping automatic identification with", finding lighter and freeer ways to be with.
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Calvino Rabeni: I don't see it as a matter of spiritual hygeine for instance, like cleaning the garage
    Zen Arado: dropping your personality?
    Calvino Rabeni: Right, that would be improbably
    Pema Pera: wearing your personality more freely, as a garb rather than a skin
    Bleu Oleander: not taking yourself so seriously?
    Calvino Rabeni: I see it like a "right now doable skill" kind of thing
    Pema Pera: and giving yourself the freedom to sometimes react "out of character" :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Skillful means
    Pema Pera: indeed, Bleu !!
    Zen Arado: a personality makes us rigid and stiff having to live up to it
    Calvino Rabeni: Not result-oriented
    Storm Nordwind: Some people relish Second Life for that very opportunity
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Zen Arado: nods
    Agatha Macbeth: A not-personality?
    Pema Pera: yes, we can react out of many characters here :)
    Wol Euler: and invent others. Or discover them
    Zen Arado: personality is only an idea anyway?
    Agatha Macbeth: Probably
    Zen Arado: what we think we are?
    Zen Arado: not our true self?
    Wol Euler nods.

    Who am I? What am I?
    Agatha Macbeth: Are we what we think we are or what others think we are?
    Zen Arado: neither I suspect
    Qt Core: both ?
    Qt Core: :-)
    Qt Core: :-)
    Bleu Oleander: what is our "true self"?
    Zen Arado: what we were before we developed a self or personality?
    Bleu Oleander: isn't the self always evolving?
    Zen Arado: the underlying awareness
    Qt Core: getting some serious chat lag
    Wol Euler: I thik so, bleu; hope so too
    Wol Euler: *think
    Zen Arado: it kind of imprisons us though I think
    Qt Core: are we what we are while we are not thinking about what we are ?
    Calvino Rabeni: At lunch we were talking about how some of what we think is true, is actually just "made up" in the moment to get a believable story to come together to make sense of things
    Zen Arado: thiunk so :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: And not just perceptions, but also, perhaps, aspects of "self"
    Calvino Rabeni: But that seems spooky, no?
    Agatha Macbeth: That seems spooky yes
    Zen Arado: our 'original face before we were born'
    Zen Arado: before we adopted roles to survive and please others
    Calvino Rabeni: But did you ever notice the kind of internal song and dance that goes on, when unsure about how to respond to a situation? Behind the scenes, perhaps a lot is getting "built", even in the present time, not just as a matter of childhood training

    Hunger, wonder and how to imprison a child!
    Zen Arado: was just watching myself telling a young child what everything was on Sunday
    Zen Arado: sticking labels on things for him
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Zen Arado: you know how they say ;what;s that?
    Calvino Rabeni: It goes to show, how intelligent we are, and how flexible, to actually be more like an improvisational performace than like a fixed object!
    Zen Arado: and we provide concepts that imprison them to some extent
    Wol Euler: I wonder ...
    Zen Arado: they lose the wonder
    Zen Arado: just use the label....
    Wol Euler: whether that is true, or correctly stated. Children have such a hunger for facts, a huge need to know about things
    Zen Arado: well they need that knowledge too to survive I guess
    Bleu Oleander: it's a balance
    Zen Arado: yes maybe

    Build an enclosure to build a door?
    Wol Euler nods. I've been watching my boss's kid lately, seeing him learn to spot patterns in the world
    Calvino Rabeni: They want freedom and security too
    Wol Euler: perhaps you need to build walls, floor and ceiling first, in order to then open a door.
    Calvino Rabeni: Remember the mother bird analogy that came up in a previous session?
    Calvino Rabeni: @wol yes
    Zen Arado: yes Wol

    A live experiment in dropping identifications (or was it identities!?) brings lots of reports, like stars appearing in a darkening night sky.
    Pema Pera: how about spending the next 90 seconds to try to drop identifications, and then report what we find, in our direct experiences?
    Pema Pera: would anyone like to share an impression?
    Wol Euler smiles. I've really missed this, the last week.
    Agatha Macbeth: You sure have :)
    Storm Nordwind: I am sitting in my 5th floor apartment in Denver overlooking the Rocky Mountains. Dropping identifications was suddenly like walking into someone else's apartment! :)
    Bleu Oleander: was difficult to tell whether or not the identifications were sufficiently dropped and when that happened .... perhaps needed more time
    Zen Arado: we have two ID's to drop!
    Qt Core: complete failure, i thought even more about them
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Storm Nordwind loves honest answers!
    Calvino Rabeni: I get quite task oriented - multitasking - that was the first thing to drop, even to do the pause
    Zen Arado: Zen and John in my case
    Pema Pera: what hit me was the identificatio with time, with the way to consider moments to be causally connected
    Wol Euler: true, zen, a very good point
    Calvino Rabeni: Zen, you think big :)
    Zen Arado: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I think of those as "identies" not "identifications"
    Zen Arado: Zen ID is stronger in here
    Zen Arado: at
    Zen Arado: atm
    Calvino Rabeni: The I's seem pretty complex
    Wol Euler nods to Calvino
    Calvino Rabeni: ... to me personally
    Calvino Rabeni: but I'm willing to try it some time
    Pema Pera: (Bleu, we can't expect to do something perfectly right away, any little dropping is worth while :))
    Calvino Rabeni: The little stuff falls off, the core remains
    Pema Pera: does it?
    Qt Core: i hope it will ;-)
    Zen Arado: trying to think waht an identification is
    Wol Euler muses. Is saying "I am Wol" different to saying "I am good at maths"?
    Pema Pera: ah, that's the "core problem", Qt, hope . . . .
    Wol Euler: wol is an identity, good at maths is an identification (I think)
    Pema Pera: perhaps you are just "Wolling" . . . .
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Zen Arado: ah the object we identify with?
    Wol Euler: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: There's a difference between "I AM a productive person" versus "I made the decision to have this task and that task" etc.
    Wol Euler: yes, true
    Zen Arado: 'good at maths ' is an ability?
    Calvino Rabeni: So the I wants to "survive", but might be willing to drop quite a few of the little "have" things
    Calvino Rabeni: And that in turn, changes the "I"quality

    How about dropping nationality!?
    Bleu Oleander: I think it would be interesting to have a pause where we all tried to drop the same identification, say nationality, and then reported how that felt
    Pema Pera: interesting idea, Bleu!
    Wol Euler: Pema does that all the time :)
    Calvino Rabeni: :) I like that idea :)
    Pema Pera: Alas, I'll have to leave at the next pause
    Calvino Rabeni: SOme different thing each time - suggested by various people
    Pema Pera: hehehe, Wol, yes, I'm about to become denaturalized
    Bleu Oleander: maybe next time :)
    Calvino Rabeni: it woudl be fascinating
    Wol Euler: agreed
    Pema Pera: (fromt the Dutch point of view)
    Calvino Rabeni: Sure, a good experiment - probably fun also :)
    Bleu Oleander: will be interesting to see if you can drop the Dutch point of view ....
    Zen Arado: I don't think of myself as a nationality very much
    Zen Arado: only comparing with others
    Agatha Macbeth: Gets a bit complicated in that part of the world Zen ;-)
    Zen Arado: true - am I British or Irish ?
    Wol Euler: or EUropean?
    Agatha Macbeth: Am I British or English?
    Zen Arado: yes that too :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Like wise
    Bleu Oleander: or a citizen of the world
    Agatha Macbeth: Confusing
    Zen Arado: should always be dropping nationality maybe
    Pema Pera: under normal circumstances we don't reflect much on these things, Zen -- but after 9/11 I'm often asked critical questions when I enter the US as a non-citizen, like "why do you live in the US and go to Japan so often" . . . . that then suddenly triggers your awareness of nationality, especially when some border guards add "I have the power to send you back, you know" (I'm *not* kidding!)
    Wol Euler: O.O
    Storm Nordwind: OH!!
    Pema Pera: that's the main reason to become a US citizen
    Pema Pera: not to be at the whim of such individuals
    Wol Euler nods
    Agatha Macbeth: Look what happened to Chaplin
    Zen Arado: true Pema
    Storm Nordwind pushes the lid firmly down on that can of worms
    Agatha Macbeth: He he
    Pema Pera watching half-worms slithering on the table
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: My god it's full of worms!

    Many partings.
    Storm Nordwind: Gentlefolk, I must leave you for another meeting
    Wol Euler: bye storm, take care
    Zen Arado: bye Storm
    Bleu Oleander: by Storm
    Storm Nordwind: Namaste
    Zen Arado: namaste
    Pema Pera: I'll have to leave too!
    Pema Pera: bye for now
    Bleu Oleander: bye Pema
    Wol Euler: bye pema, enjoy the day
    Zen Arado: bye Pema
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now guys
    Agatha Macbeth: Big Ben.......
    Calvino Rabeni: Calvino Rabeni slips out during the pause
    Agatha Macbeth: Cya Cal
    Bleu Oleander: bye everyone :)
    Zen Arado: bye Cal
    Wol Euler: bye, take care
    Calvino Rabeni: bye agatha
    Wol Euler: bye bleu
    Wol Euler: (I keep typing "blue")
    Qt Core: bye Blue, Cal
    Zen Arado: bye bleu
    Agatha Macbeth: You too Bleu
    Zen Arado: et tu Bleu
    Qt Core: not only you Wol ;-)
    Bleu Oleander: Blue works too .... I'm not attatched to that spelling :)
    Wol Euler: ah!

    Warning! Hidden gems alert! The Surgeon General has determined that reading on through the rest of this chit-chat log may be beneficial to your well-being. :) You have been warned!
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, the great 2.00pm exodus
    Wol Euler considers looking up "blue" in Latvian or Serbo-Croat, to try those on her :)
    Zen Arado: et tu Brutus it was
    Agatha Macbeth: Or Bleutus?
    Wol Euler: Bluto?
    Zen Arado: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Gee Olive
    Wol Euler laughs
    Zen Arado: as he stabbed Ceasar
    Agatha Macbeth: Well he got the point
    Zen Arado: :)
    Wol Euler groans
    Zen Arado: feels like Aga's straight man :)
    Agatha Macbeth needs to think about that one
    Wol Euler considers a risque comment, but restraints herself
    Agatha Macbeth coughs
    Zen Arado: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Anyway...
    Zen Arado: there's a guy doing a play about Eric Morecambe atm
    Zen Arado: without Ernie....
    Agatha Macbeth: oooh
    Wol Euler nods
    Wol Euler: one of the great love affairs of our time
    Zen Arado: wonder how he manages that?
    Agatha Macbeth: How can you have one without the other?
    Wol Euler: well, you can't. Eric retired at once
    Wol Euler: IIRDC
    Wol Euler: IIRD
    Zen Arado: and his short fat hairy legs :)
    Wol Euler: damn
    Agatha Macbeth: 'I'm playing all the right notes but not necessarily in the right order'
    Zen Arado: :)
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Agatha Macbeth: Mr Preview
    Agatha Macbeth: Gotta love that
    Zen Arado: Previn
    Agatha Macbeth: Rudolf Nearenough?
    Wol Euler: :)
    Zen Arado: :)
    Zen Arado: double acts are disappearing
    Wol Euler: hmmmmmm
    Zen Arado: had their day
    Agatha Macbeth: Sadly
    Zen Arado: true
    Zen Arado: Little and large
    Zen Arado: never liked each other much
    Agatha Macbeth: Mills and Boon
    Zen Arado: :)
    Wol Euler: the two ronnies
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes!
    Wol Euler: fry and laurie
    Zen Arado: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: And in a packed program tonight
    Wol Euler: french and saunders
    Zen Arado: cannon and ball
    Agatha Macbeth: Ant and Dek
    Agatha Macbeth: Beavis and Butthead
    Zen Arado: the latest burt not comedians?
    Wol Euler: poor qt probably has never heard of one of these
    Zen Arado: Laurel and Hardy
    Agatha Macbeth: Forgot them!
    Zen Arado: Abbot and costello
    Wol Euler: hmmmmmmmmmmm
    Agatha Macbeth: Weren't Dean Martin and Gerry Lewis a team at one time?
    Zen Arado: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah
    Wol Euler: is it true to say that double acts are disappearing, or is that a symptom of the greater fact that *comedians* are disappearing?
    Zen Arado: bob hope and bing crosby
    Agatha Macbeth: Most become politicians Wol
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Zen Arado: yes that too Wol
    Qt Core: a few, (love Martin and Lewis)
    Agatha Macbeth: Are there any famous Italian comedians QT?
    Agatha Macbeth: (Apart from Mussolini)
    Qt Core: we have now one, that would may even like to be more famous than Mussolini, its name starts with B ;-)
    Wol Euler: he's a barrel of laughs, all right
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, right
    Zen Arado: your PM
    Agatha Macbeth: If it's the one I'm thinking of
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds a bit like 'burlesque'?
    Qt Core: did any of us heard about the big mishap his men made in the presentation of the list for the next regional elections ?
    Zen Arado: Goredon Brown too serious to be a comdian:)
    Qt Core: of you
    Zen Arado: no Qt?
    Agatha Macbeth: Tell us QT
    Qt Core: basically the didn't present them in the district of Rome
    Zen Arado: Hi Alfred
    Agatha Macbeth waves to Alf
    Alfred Kelberry: how are you guys today?
    Wol Euler: qt, I'm looking for a song on youtube to post here. Name a singer/comedian on Italian TV in the 70's? tall, thin, blonde, glasses
    Wol Euler: hello alf
    Agatha Macbeth: Discussing comedians
    Wol Euler: name E... M... maybe?
    Qt Core: raimondo vianello ?
    Agatha Macbeth: Sounds like Alf :)
    Alfred Kelberry: which ones?
    Qt Core: hi alf
    Agatha Macbeth: Italian ones at the moment
    Alfred Kelberry: em, no familiar with italian comedy
    Zen Arado: there used to be a ventriloquist on the BBC.....on radio :)
    Zen Arado: not too difficult :)
    Qt Core: raimondo vianello and his wife, sandra mondaini started in the sixties and they are still going strong today
    Wol Euler: heheheheheh
    Agatha Macbeth: Now THAT's Irish Zen ;-)
    Wol Euler: now that is what I call "suspension of disbelief"
    Zen Arado: before your time Aga
    Zen Arado: Peter Brough
    Agatha Macbeth: Oooh thank you!
    Zen Arado: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: nice glasses, qt :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Isn't that in East Anglia?
    Qt Core: ty alf
    Zen Arado: :)

    Warning! Scary video alert! The Surgeon General has determined that playing the following actually really rather awesome video may seriously affect your sense of humor for the whole of the rest of the day. :)
    Wol Euler: found it!!!
    Wol Euler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov_UksYViOc
    Alfred Kelberry: you've been to a 3d movie?
    Qt Core: when he try Dario Fo (the italian nobel literatire laureate) is a great comic too
    Qt Core: went to a machinima festival... didn't understand any of the works
    Alfred Kelberry: er, what was that, wol?
    Wol Euler: Adriano Celentano!
    Wol Euler: not exactly E M ...
    Alfred Kelberry: so, it's like a comedy thing?
    Qt Core: the original is from several years before
    Wol Euler: try it, alf, it won't bite
    Qt Core: that is how english sound to italians ;-)
    Alfred Kelberry: well, i did :)
    Wol Euler laughs
    Agatha Macbeth: Preferred 'shut uppa ya face' :)
    Agatha Macbeth: But he was Australian I think
    Qt Core: Celentano, is not only a singer, he made several comedic movies and a couple not comedic ones too
    Zen Arado: can't think who said that
    Agatha Macbeth: How's yer tulips Alf?
    Alfred Kelberry: still glowing :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Yep
    Agatha Macbeth: More radioactive than ever
    Alfred Kelberry: but i don't get this italian clip
    Qt Core: for is way of moving he usually remind me about a mix of Jerry Kewis and Elvis Preasley
    Qt Core: his
    Qt Core: Lewis
    Agatha Macbeth doesn't know Jerry Kewis
    Wol Euler: very big in France, that's all you need to know
    Wol Euler is snide.
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh, ok
    Qt Core: wrong spelling, Lewis
    Wol Euler: you're looking quite chaplinesque in that moustache, alf
    Agatha Macbeth: Ok Inspector Morse :)
    Zen Arado: not allowed to open can of worms :)
    Agatha Macbeth: We already closed one of those Zen...
    Alfred Kelberry: well, it's supposed to be dalinesque actually :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Who's Dalin?
    Zen Arado: Dali
    Wol Euler: the French are proof that time travel is possible, the entire culture has remained in 1962
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh my Dalin oh my Dalin
    Zen Arado: surreal
    Wol Euler: ((better strike that from the log, dear GoC ))
    Zen Arado: Clementine :)
    Alfred Kelberry: aww, i like this clementine movie

    Warning! Satire alert! The Surgeon General has determined that playing the following video may seriously improve your sense of playfulness. :)
    Qt Core: warning! political satire by Dario Fo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCc-fj0HLHk
    Qt Core: with subtitles too
    Agatha Macbeth: When's Fellini coming on?
    Zen Arado: didn't understand 'Blow Up
    Wol Euler: oh, I loved that film.
    Wol Euler: didn't understand it either :;
    Zen Arado: weren't meant to undestand it maybe
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: like Being
    Zen Arado: like everything
    Alfred Kelberry: fellini is overrated
    Agatha Macbeth: Let's drop it then
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Qt Core: when directors start to make art and not movie i can't understand their movies
    Alfred Kelberry: it's like one of those things now that you just must say: I LOVE IT!
    Agatha Macbeth: What is?
    Alfred Kelberry: otherwise you're a fool and can't appreciate art
    Wol Euler raises an eyebrow.

    Warning! Bad joke alert! The Surgeon General has determined that reading the next lines may be detrimental to your sense of humor. :)
    Zen Arado: you know #Psycho' wasn't even nominated for an Oscar?
    Agatha Macbeth: You hum it, I'll play it
    Wol Euler: boom boom
    Agatha Macbeth: /me
    Agatha Macbeth: meep
    Agatha Macbeth: rather
    Alfred Kelberry: :P
    Agatha Macbeth: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
    Alfred Kelberry: road runner was so funny when i was a kid
    Wol Euler: :)
    Alfred Kelberry: ...not anymore :/
    Zen Arado: needs double meep :)
    Agatha Macbeth: That's it!
    Agatha Macbeth: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
    Zen Arado: you like Irish comedians Aga ?
    Zen Arado: FRank Carson?
    Agatha Macbeth: Like Ian Paisley?
    Zen Arado: ha ha
    Agatha Macbeth: He kills me
    Wol Euler: paddy doyle
    Zen Arado: it's the way he tells them :)
    Wol Euler: loved "the snapper"
    Agatha Macbeth: To be sure!
    Agatha Macbeth: Yeah, Frank Carson is good
    Zen Arado: never see him nowadays
    Agatha Macbeth: And Dave Allen of course
    Zen Arado: ah yes
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Ears pierced while u wait'
    Zen Arado: saw him start in Australia
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Agatha Macbeth: 'Where the hell do they think you're gonna go?'
    Zen Arado: in the 60's
    Agatha Macbeth: Love dthat
    Qt Core: i had just discovered (and just had my english good enough to understand) George Carlin when he died
    Wol Euler: oh no, when did he die?
    Qt Core: some months ago
    Zen Arado: have to go
    Zen Arado: bye all
    Zen Arado: ciao
    Qt Core: 22 June 2008
    Qt Core: cia Zen
    Agatha Macbeth: Night Zen
    Qt Core: times fly...
    Wol Euler: bye zen, take care
    Qt Core: time to go for me too, bye all and have fun with or without comics ;-)
    Wol Euler: buona notte, qt
    Qt Core: 'notte wol
    Agatha Macbeth: Notte QT
    Agatha Macbeth: Enough with the IMs already...
    Wol Euler: look who's talking :)
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
    Wol Euler: so alf, what's new in Moscow?
    Agatha Macbeth: Mama mia!
    Alfred Kelberry: em, less snow :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Snow crash?
    Wol Euler: yeah, a really great book.
    Wol Euler: prescient, in factd
    Alfred Kelberry: not yet, but going there :)
    Wol Euler: *fact
    Agatha Macbeth: Burbclave!
    Agatha Macbeth: Like that
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Alfred Kelberry: the last book i've read was...
    Agatha Macbeth: Wind in the willows
    Agatha Macbeth: ?
    Wol Euler snorts
    Alfred Kelberry: the well grounded rubyist :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Close
    Wol Euler: heheheh
    Wol Euler: true that
    Agatha Macbeth: What's a rubyist?
    Alfred Kelberry: hey, it's really good one :)
    Alfred Kelberry: a person programming in ruby
    Agatha Macbeth: OH
    Agatha Macbeth: Ruby, emerald....
    Wol Euler: ruby, ruby, when will you be mine?
    Agatha Macbeth thinks of a song by Kenny Rogers
    Alfred Kelberry: pretty dense stones
    Alfred Kelberry: btw, did you wish buzz a happy birthday?
    Agatha Macbeth: Ruby Tuesday?
    Agatha Macbeth: Buzz Lightyear?
    Wol Euler: buzz aldrin?
    Alfred Kelberry: aldrin
    Alfred Kelberry: yep
    Agatha Macbeth: To infinity and beyond!
    Wol Euler: huh
    Wol Euler: he must be pretty old, late seventies?
    Agatha Macbeth: One small step for a man
    Alfred Kelberry: planetary.org had a project gathering messages from around the world and then presented him with a huge birthday card :)
    Alfred Kelberry: 80
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Wol Euler: wow
    Agatha Macbeth: Good old Buzz
    Alfred Kelberry: probably the last from a handful of guys to visit the moon for many years ahead
    Wol Euler: says here that he was born on January 20
    Agatha Macbeth: Aquarius
    Alfred Kelberry: yes, something like that :)
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, i'm off now
    Alfred Kelberry: you girls have fun
    Wol Euler: we will
    Agatha Macbeth: Thought it was the cat :)
    Wol Euler: bye alf, take care
    Alfred Kelberry: bye :)
    Agatha Macbeth: We girls will Alf ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Salaam

    Caring Agatha.
    Agatha Macbeth: And how's you then?
    Wol Euler: tired
    Wol Euler: we have about anohter week of this madness
    Wol Euler: but I shall be in bed at midnight tonight
    Agatha Macbeth: For a change
    Wol Euler: yeah
    Wol Euler: I'm getting too old for this crap
    Agatha Macbeth: What Pab?
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Wol Euler thwaps you with a pillow
    Agatha Macbeth falls sideways
    Agatha Macbeth: Ever thought of moving into another field?
    Wol Euler: short answer: no.
    Wol Euler: I don't dislike my job at all, it's just the hours.
    Agatha Macbeth: Couldn't you get the same work eith less hours?
    Agatha Macbeth: with
    Wol Euler: possibly
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, but have you tried?
    Wol Euler: no
    Agatha Macbeth: Well there you go
    Agatha Macbeth: Can't keep doing eight day weeks forever you know
    Wol Euler nods.
    Agatha Macbeth: Well it was certainly livelier tonight than las night
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: ok, I must go.
    Wol Euler: goodnight aggers, it was nice to see you again
    Agatha Macbeth: Bye for now :)
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