2010.03.10 13:00 - Sutrayana is mostly Lam Rim

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    Liza Deischer: hi Bert

    Bertram Jacobus: 4hello lisa - "kaltxí ... ;-)

    Bertram Jacobus: i think, i'm a typo king , sry ... ;-)

    Bertram Jacobus: fef ! :-))

    Liza Deischer: :-)

    Liza Deischer: hi Fonz

    Bertram Jacobus: long time no see :-)

    Bertram Jacobus: whether his inet connection still is so badly ? ... :-/

    Liza Deischer: probably

    Bertram Jacobus: looks like sadly ...

    Bertram Jacobus: so ... may i ask? how is your spiritual practise going liza ? :-)

    Liza Deischer: well, being very tired lately

    Liza Deischer: and practicing is very hard then

    Fefonz Quan: hy all :)

    Liza Deischer: but always need to do my prayers

    Liza Deischer: hi Fonz

    Bertram Jacobus: hello fef again - could you read our hellos before ?

    Fefonz Quan: sure!

    Bertram Jacobus: ah good prayers how much time a day then is that liza ?

    Fefonz Quan: good to see you too N'avi bert :)

    Bertram Jacobus: few minutes or also kinda pujas, longer ?

    Liza Deischer: 20-30 minutes when I do it fast

    Bertram Jacobus: ty fef - you knew it already ? :-)

    Liza Deischer: 2 days if I take the time :-)

    Fefonz Quan: knew what?

    Bertram Jacobus: whaow - that's not nothing liza ! :-))

    Liza Deischer: hey Cal

    Bertram Jacobus: happy to hear that (!) :-)

    Bertram Jacobus: my na'vi ava fef

    Calvino Rabeni: Hi everyone :)

    Liza Deischer: well, most of the time it is 30 minutes

    Bertram Jacobus: hello cal :-)

    Fefonz Quan: no, first time for me Bert

    Fefonz Quan: hello Cal\

    Bertram Jacobus: i love it so much and being on pandora here - must admit fef - atm dominates my sl activities ... ;-)

    Liza Deischer: no puja's, saddhanas

    Bertram Jacobus: ok. saddhanas. ty.

    Fefonz Quan: saddhanas?

    Bertram Jacobus: buddhistic practises

    Liza Deischer: buddhist prayers

    Fefonz Quan: no Bert, so i guess there is a Pandora here...

    Fefonz Quan: ok, that's what i thought

    Bertram Jacobus: i know it not only as prayers - also visualisations, silence and all that can be part of a saddhana - no liza ?

    Liza Deischer: true

    Bertram Jacobus: "no" fef ? related to what was that, please ? ;-)

    Fefonz Quan: Is there a special tradition you're following Liza?

    Liza Deischer: visualisations are important in buddhist practice

    Bertram Jacobus: in vajrayana ... yes

    Fefonz Quan: (related to being in Pandora)

    Liza Deischer: Saddhana is Vajrayana

    Fefonz Quan: yes i see.

    Liza Deischer: yes

    Liza Deischer: but visualisations are also important in Sutrayana

    Bertram Jacobus: is there another word for sutrayana ? or where is it practised . i am not sure with that, not familiar enough, not knowing (?) ...

    Liza Deischer: Sutrayana is mostly Lam Rim, the path

    Liza Deischer: Vajrayana is tantra

    Fefonz Quan: I thought vajrayana combines both

    Bertram Jacobus: okay ... ty ...

    Liza Deischer: actually no, Vajrayana also means you need to do Sutrayana practice

    Liza Deischer: Sutrayana can be practised on itself, Vajrayana not

    Fefonz Quan: Hi Agatha!

    Agatha Macbeth: Hey Fonzie

    Agatha Macbeth: Hello everyone

    Agatha Macbeth: Hi blue Berti :)

    Liza Deischer: hi Agatha

    Fefonz Quan: its a nice b&w costume you have

    Agatha Macbeth: Why thank you :)

    Agatha Macbeth: Just a liitle something i found in my wardrobe ;-)


    Bertram Jacobus: hy black and white agatha ! ;-)

    Bertram Jacobus: as always : i'm slow ... :o)

    Agatha Macbeth: :)

    Agatha Macbeth: I'm black & white and you're blue!

    Bertram Jacobus: that's right - does that have special meanings ? ;-)

    Bertram Jacobus: hello arch -

    Liza Deischer: hi Arch

    Agatha Macbeth: Who knows Bert, who knows? :)

    Agatha Macbeth: Hey Arch

    Fefonz Quan humms: i'm blue yabadi yabada...

    Bertram Jacobus: may be you agatha ? do you ? :-)

    Agatha Macbeth: Er.............42

    Bertram Jacobus: hehe . heard the song shortly before fef. guess why (!?) ... ;-)

    Bertram Jacobus: hey bleu :-)

    Fefonz Quan: somebody told you?

    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Bleu (again)

    Fefonz Quan: Hey Bleu, great timing ;-)

    Bertram Jacobus: was a talk about colours, yes fef ... ;-)

    Liza Deischer: hi bleu

    Bleu Oleander: hi all

    Agatha Macbeth: Nice walk :)

    Bertram Jacobus: lol

    Bleu Oleander: timing?

    Agatha Macbeth: No such thing as time

    Bertram Jacobus: we just talked about blue ;-)

    Bleu Oleander: my fav

    Fefonz Quan: yes, but timing maybe is :)

    Agatha Macbeth: Blue is the colour....

    Bertram Jacobus: thing ? (lol)

    Bleu Oleander: yeah!

    Fefonz Quan: (does it say you're not american Agatha?)

    Agatha Macbeth: What?

    Archmage Atlantis: My mom

    Archmage Atlantis: sorry

    Archmage Atlantis: Bad hands

    Fefonz Quan: the colour syntax

    Bertram Jacobus: but with one i will be quick today (before i said i'm mostly slow) - will leave before the next bell ...

    Bleu Oleander: (can't quite pick up on the subject ...)

    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, right

    Agatha Macbeth: Is there one?

    Archmage Atlantis: My mothers favorite color was blue

    Bleu Oleander: so it's not just me?

    Fefonz Quan: it vanished along with the object :)

    Liza Deischer: (I don't think there is one bleu)

    Agatha Macbeth: Nah Bleu :)

    Agatha Macbeth: If it's you it must be me too

    Bertram Jacobus: some blue will disappera quickly

    Fefonz Quan: helo arch

    Liza Deischer: I'm leaving

    Calvino Rabeni: GTG - carry on intrepid explorers! :)

    Liza Deischer: cu

    Bertram Jacobus: bye liza

    Bleu Oleander: bye Liza

    Agatha Macbeth: BFN Liza

    Fefonz Quan: bye Liza

    Agatha Macbeth: Something happening at Kira?

    Bertram Jacobus: hy zon

    Bleu Oleander: what's that?

    Fefonz Quan: not that i know of

    Agatha Macbeth: Seems to be a synchronised exodus

    Bertram Jacobus: kira cafe blue. a place where some meetings take place ...

    Bleu Oleander: yes, but maybe because no subject

    Fefonz Quan: maybe we didn't manage to keep the discussion on interesting level...

    Bleu Oleander: cafe Bleu

    Archmage Atlantis: Something is happening.....KIRA is only a gathering point

    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, it's Gilles night

    Agatha Macbeth: I just an IM

    Agatha Macbeth: Totally forgot about that!

    Agatha Macbeth: I'll go too at the next bell....

    Fefonz Quan: But we are open to subject suggestions Bleu

    Bertram Jacobus: what is gilles night ?

    Zon Quar: hi all

    Agatha Macbeth: A night starring Mr Wolf!!!

    Fefonz Quan: hello Zon

    Bleu Oleander: I suggested at the last PaB, that at the pause we all think about dropping the same think

    Bleu Oleander: thing

    Agatha Macbeth: Aloha Zon

    Bleu Oleander: and then discuss it

    Bleu Oleander: i.e. nationality

    Fefonz Quan: sounds good. so what would we drop in a minute?

    Agatha Macbeth: Nationality?

    Bertram Jacobus: nice ideas ... but sry - as i said before - leave now ... cu all have a nice time

    Bertram Jacobus: cu

    Fefonz Quan: bye Bert

    Bleu Oleander: bye

    Bleu Oleander: next time maybe

    Archmage Atlantis: What thinking point should be dropped?


    Zon Quar: lets drop "I"

    Agatha Macbeth: Il me faut sortir maintenant

    Agatha Macbeth: See, it worked!?!

    Fefonz Quan: oui, tres bon!

    Zon Quar: what is on Kira ? a lecture ?

    Archmage Atlantis: "i" is myself\

    Fefonz Quan: i think it's Gilles' philosophy workshop today

    Bleu Oleander: I'm going to check out what is at Kira .... c u :)

    Zon Quar: me 2

    Fefonz Quan: bye Bleu

    Zon Quar: bye

    Fefonz Quan: (and Zon)

    Fefonz Quan: makes me wanna follow them too...

    Archmage Atlantis: Yea me too FFonz

    Archmage Atlantis: But we have to wake up Cal

    Fefonz Quan: hey Ara

    arabella Ella: Hiya

    Fefonz Quan: Ara, we want to go to the kira seminar, is it ok with you? (many other have gone some minutes ago)

    arabella Ella: yes that's fine with me

    arabella Ella: i don't think i am up to the philo seminar tonite though :)

    arabella Ella: am lagging terribly

    arabella Ella: how are you Archmage?

    arabella Ella: seems everyone else here is asleep

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