2010.03.13 13:00 - Genii loci of PaB

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal, filling in for Sharon, who fell asleep during a thunderstorm. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal, Eden, Arabella, Zen, Agatha, Sharon, and Steve.

    This was a wild and often spooky session, full of serious themes and light banter. Dozens of potential titles errupted here and there throughout our time, and if one wants to know why this one, begin your journey ------> >here<

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen :)
    Zen Arado: Hi Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I just noticed that Bleu has your painting up at her spot... fits in very nicely :)
    Zen Arado: good :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Eden!

    Eden arrives and I jump up to show her that I indeed kept my word about greeting her with bells on...  

    Zen Arado: Look who's here !
    Eden Haiku: Hi Eliza! Zen ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh....
    Eden Haiku: Agathathita!
    Zen Arado: Hi Eden :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi all
    Eliza Madrigal: jumping up and down... will bells on. Hope they are ringing :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Trampoline Liz?
    Eden Haiku: yes, wonderful Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal laughs
    Agatha Macbeth: Nice to see you back Edie :)
    Eden Haiku: Wearing glasses now Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal resists asking lots of questions about trips and such... allowing Eden to settle in to SL :)
    Eden Haiku: ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, good to have a clear view :)
    Agatha Macbeth: No sparkle tonight!
    Eden Haiku: Found nothing to wear in my inventory...
    Agatha Macbeth: Whoa, some inventory ;-)
    Eden Haiku: Kept trying outfits...
    Eden Haiku: Discarding them...
    Eliza Madrigal: time for shopping ;-)
    Eden Haiku: Setlling back into SL I guess..
    Agatha Macbeth: I like the red one best
    Eden Haiku: The red Eden you mean...I think it is called true cabelo...
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm, nice
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah!
    Eliza Madrigal: OOOo
    Eden Haiku: And maybe this outfit would be better...
    Agatha Macbeth: Nice hair too
    Agatha Macbeth: No sign of Sharon yet?
    Eliza Madrigal: Sharon seems to be running late, may have had to work or asleep due to working late
    Eliza Madrigal: So we'll see :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Aww
    Agatha Macbeth: She'll turn into Wol if she's not careful :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah working so much lately? yes
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
    Agatha Macbeth: Ah, a scottish Eden
    Eliza Madrigal: Difficult to find balance sometimes
    Eliza Madrigal: either lots of work and no leisure... or visa versa
    Agatha Macbeth: Hoots mon McEdie!
    Eden Haiku: ah ah

    After an interesting "art & philosophy" session yesterday, Zen was inspired... 

    Zen Arado: I was painting today
    Agatha Macbeth: Tres chic cherie :)
    Zen Arado: got some inspiration yesterday !
    Eliza Madrigal: yes very cute :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Picures or house Zen?
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, glad to hear that Zen. It was a great session!
    Agatha Macbeth: pictures
    Zen Arado: pictures
    Eden Haiku: Oh Zen, thought about you while looking at this video about iPad. They will have a brushes app for it too!
    Agatha Macbeth: Uh huh
    Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
    Zen Arado: I have an Iphone too now
    Eden Haiku: You do? Always at the front line with gadgets!
    Zen Arado: prefer real painting tho
    Zen Arado: would take a while to learn 'brushes'app
    Eden Haiku: Ah you were painting with real oils and acrylics then?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes something about the feel of the brushes on canvas...
    Zen Arado: yes acrylic
    Agatha Macbeth: Some things *are* better real than digital :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Do you ever use a knife to paint with Zen?
    Zen Arado: oh yes all the time
    Eden Haiku: Oh Eliza! I love your dress!
    Agatha Macbeth: Isn't a brush easier?
    Eliza Madrigal smiles widely. Thanks so much :)
    Zen Arado: depends what you want to achieve
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes, it's gorgeous
    Zen Arado: sometimes ust pour it on from a cup
    Eliza Madrigal has always thought it would be fun to work with wax (encaustics) and knives...
    Agatha Macbeth: A la Jackson Pollock?
    Zen Arado: I'm not too successful with drippy painting I admit
    Agatha Macbeth: You're too modest Zen
    Zen Arado: no ..being honest
    Zen Arado: I like experimenting though
    Agatha Macbeth: Honest and modes, then
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: modest
    Eliza Madrigal: Many artists seem to have their minds on the next thing/step, so maybe don't quite evaluate the last one as worthy...?
    Zen Arado: I use sandpaper a lot too
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, that's interesting
    Agatha Macbeth: Sandpaper?
    Eden Haiku: To smooth surfaces?

    Sandpaper and underlying layers ...

    Zen Arado: if you have a lot of layers of paint it is intesting to uncover them again
    Eliza Madrigal: hmmm... and when you said that I remembered a work I viewed once which had chicken wire embedded in it...
    Eden Haiku: Layers is an interesting topic.
    Eliza Madrigal: was interesting
    Zen Arado: let the underlying layer come through in unexpected ways
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes Eden, very much so. What does it conjur for you?
    Eden Haiku: Like let being shine?
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: excavation
    Eden Haiku: Shine through our identities or identifications?
    Zen Arado: we let out real nature shine through
    Eden Haiku: Archeology of our souls.
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm, nice!
    Zen Arado: Eckhart Tolle Quote
    Agatha Macbeth: The stratigraphy would be interesting! :)

    Zen Arado: !The primary cause of unhappiness is never the situation but your thoughts about it. Be aware of the thoughts you are thinking. Separate them from the situation, which is always neutral, which always is as it is. There is the situation or the fact, and here are my thoughts about it. Instead of making up stories, stay with the facts. For example, "I am ruined" is a story. It limits you and prevents you from taking effective action. "I have 50 cents left in my bank account" is a fact. Facing facts is always empowering."

    Eden Haiku: Facing facts always empowering: yes, that sounds true.
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Zen Arado: I keep telling myself stories
    Agatha Macbeth: He's walking backwards for Christmas :)
    Zen Arado: trouble is I believe them as well!
    Eliza Madrigal: so bare essentials...
    Zen Arado: neutral facts
    Eliza Madrigal: rather than "I'm a failure"... "This plan didn't work"
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    Zen Arado: wouldn't that save us so much suffering?
    Eliza Madrigal: Or even better, "this aspect of the plan didn't work and others did"
    Agatha Macbeth: Easier said than done tho
    Zen Arado: ot 'this always happens to me so'....
    Eliza Madrigal nods... there does seem to rise up a 'why me' thing
    Zen Arado: tru Aga
    Eden Haiku: Yes, to me too ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Mmm
    Zen Arado: love our stories
    Eliza Madrigal: but yes a wonderful skill to cultivate.... seeing that things are made up of many factors, stories, etc
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes
    Zen Arado: love our dramas
    Eliza Madrigal: and they aren't necessarily glued together. We do that
    Eden Haiku: We do that yes.

    A flood of potential titles ...

    Eden Haiku: We invent causalities that aren't.
    Eliza Madrigal: yes!
    Zen Arado: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: and then build them little temples
    Eden Haiku: Little temples of our littleness.
    Agatha Macbeth: Or liitle dungeons...
    Zen Arado: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh Oh, definitely
    Eden Haiku: And dragons too...
    Zen Arado: getting poetic :)
    Eden Haiku: Are we?
    Agatha Macbeth smiles @ Eden
    Zen Arado: think so :)

    Arabella arrives...

    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ara :)
    Eden Haiku: Hey Arabella!
    Agatha Macbeth: Here's Ara!
    arabella Ella: Hiya!
    Zen Arado: Hi Ara :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Will make you a note Ara :)
    arabella Ella: thanks Eliza!
    Eden Haiku: We are talking about stories we tell ourselfes, dungeons and dragons...
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    arabella Ella loves stories ...
    Eden Haiku: Layers of colors and textures we put on our Self.
    Eden Haiku: Painting as a metaphor...
    arabella Ella: hmmmmm ..... loads i guess?
    Eden Haiku: Stop me someone!
    Agatha Macbeth: Or a metamorphosis?
    Eliza Madrigal refuses to stop Eden
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    arabella Ella: thanks Eliza!
    Eden Haiku: ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal nods to Ag
    Zen Arado: you write notes fast Eliza :)
    Agatha Macbeth smiles
    arabella Ella: it is taking ages to load ... the notecard ... but
    Agatha Macbeth: She has her anim back!
    Eliza Madrigal: yes that's another thing.... we can methodically peel layers or sometimes we can maybe pop through (a bunch of) them....

    Ara's quesion takes us back to younger settings ...

    arabella Ella: i wonder ... do our stories change or evolve from when we are kids to when we become adults? and how?
    Eliza Madrigal: some don't seem to
    Eliza Madrigal: which seems to me more remarkable in a way
    Zen Arado: maybe they become more frequest?
    Zen Arado: frequent
    Eliza Madrigal: sometimes I see basic stories which then have developed more and more elaborations / gotten more sophisticated (supposedly)
    Zen Arado: just realizing we are doing it is great
    Zen Arado: and habitual
    Eliza Madrigal: like movie scripts... there aren't that many different plot lines
    Zen Arado: we have to be quick to be able to catch them
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: but talented writers and directors can make them seem different...
    Zen Arado: because once they get going....
    Eliza Madrigal: heh
    Eden Haiku: I'm lost between lines
    Eliza Madrigal: lost in translation? :)
    Eden Haiku: Like what you say rings a bell about something I can't remember
    Agatha Macbeth: Blurring the lines...
    Eden Haiku: About stories, layers, catching ourselves on time
    Eliza Madrigal: ah, going backwards into memory... simpler and simpler... deconstruction, unwravelings...
    Eliza Madrigal: ?
    Eden Haiku: Yes yes
    Eden Haiku: And back to painting pictures.
    Eliza Madrigal: forgetting intentionally and then peeking again.... like a writer putting away their tablet for a few days
    Eden Haiku: Like the impression sometimes that we could peel the sky and behind there would be something else, the wheels of time or whatever
    Eliza Madrigal: Mmmm
    Eden Haiku: Behind our pixel world even in RL
    Eden Haiku: same same
    Eliza Madrigal: or *just* awareness.. yet not mine or yours
    Zen Arado: sandpaper ourselves back
    Eliza Madrigal: !! :))
    Agatha Macbeth: Ouch that hurts! :(
    Eliza Madrigal: friction
    Eliza Madrigal: hahahahahah Agatha
    Zen Arado: wet and dry works great :)
    Eden Haiku: Sandpaper ourselves back that is beautiful!
    Eliza Madrigal: the sand working on the pearl
    Eden Haiku: And that hurts yes Agatha!
    arabella Ella: to remove tough and rough edges
    Zen Arado: stories are comforting then ?
    Eliza Madrigal: oo yes... show us where we're edgy
    Agatha Macbeth likes to think she's smooth enough already
    Eliza Madrigal: and what we're trying to cover for
    Zen Arado: but still make us suffer

    Sad stories...

    arabella Ella: some stories are comforting ... not all
    arabella Ella: some are sad
    arabella Ella: some may be embarrasing
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Zen Arado: but we wallow in the sadness
    Zen Arado: pity party
    arabella Ella disagrees with Zen there :)
    Eliza Madrigal: sometimes its good to sit with the sadness
    arabella Ella: wallowing in saddness gets no one anywhere
    Zen Arado: ha ha good Ara
    arabella Ella: as the tune goes ... always look on the bright side of things ...
    Zen Arado: leads to depression, but I have done it
    Eden Haiku: To sit with the sadness sometimes is good, I agree Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal was depressed UNTIL she learned to sit with the sadness... feel it... let it lift
    arabella Ella doesnt like to be sad
    Eden Haiku: To sit with anything that comes up in fact
    Agatha Macbeth: Awww
    Zen Arado: sadness but not self pity
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Agatha Macbeth hugs Liz
    Eliza Madrigal smiles and hugs Ag back. Thanks :)
    Agatha Macbeth: :)
    Zen Arado: yes just the emotion ...not the stories about the emotion
    arabella Ella: then yes
    arabella Ella: can take that
    Eden Haiku: Yes, quite an interesting distinction Zen
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    arabella Ella: like the catharsis following a good cry
    Eden Haiku: Emotion like primary color. Essence,
    Eliza Madrigal: often people enter into hm.. low level depression which they don't realize because they've been putting on a happy face :)
    Eliza Madrigal nods @ Ara
    Eliza Madrigal: I was in a diner today and looked around from table to table at one point wondering why people don't smile more
    arabella Ella: owwww
    Eliza Madrigal: why they sit there, out for breakfast, and just stare
    Zen Arado: like positive thinking just allows underlying ........ to fester
    Eden Haiku: @ Eliza, good question
    Zen Arado: can't think of right word there:)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe.... Zen like mold?
    arabella Ella: i often notice in restaurants ... couples on holiday here ... never even exchanging a word ... very sad
    Eliza Madrigal: Or rather: Zen, like mold?
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes! Ara... that's what I was seeing
    Agatha Macbeth: Mold or mould? ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Zen Arado: was a joke about that - you can always tell the married couples in a restaurant - they are the ones who don't speak
    arabella Ella giggles ... nice one Zen
    Eden Haiku: ;-)))
    Agatha Macbeth: They might be married, but not to each other
    arabella Ella: i've often seen silent couples in pubs in UK on saturday nights ... they MUST go out just for the sake of going on as it is a Saturday night it seems ... crazy methinks!
    Zen Arado: joke is a bit cruel
    Agatha Macbeth: True that Ara
    Eliza Madrigal nods @ Ara
    arabella Ella: i think it is realistic Zen
    Zen Arado: nods
    Eliza Madrigal: unfortunately often accurate zen
    Eliza Madrigal: today, mostly it was families.. and parents on phones... kids looking blank...
    Eliza Madrigal: we just seem to exhaust ourselves in so many little ways.

    Waking sleep and natural joy...

    Eden Haiku: Empty faces, empty souls
    Zen Arado: there is a kind of cultural norm we have to adhere to to be happy
    Agatha Macbeth: Like Gurdjieff said 'waking sleep'
    arabella Ella: it is such a pity when some people seem to lose their appreciation of the beauty of life
    Eden Haiku: I think joy is natural though
    Zen Arado: things everyone does
    arabella Ella agrees with Eden
    Eden Haiku: It is sadness that is not: look at babies!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    Zen Arado: yes if we let it emerge Eden
    Eden Haiku: They are bublling with happiness
    arabella Ella: as are most kids
    Agatha Macbeth: Cos they don't know any better!
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    arabella Ella: cos they let their imagination run wild which is great
    Eden Haiku: No, beacuse they love and embrace life
    Agatha Macbeth: That too
    arabella Ella: and they have less constraints ... they are not stuck in a rut
    Zen Arado: haven't made up enough stories to make themselves miserable yet !
    Agatha Macbeth: Mm
    Zen Arado: they are just aware
    Eden Haiku: Waking sleep is a state of numbness we drive ourselves into when growing up
    arabella Ella: reminds me of Pink Floyd and the expression 'comfortably numb'
    Eden Haiku: Hummm
    Eliza Madrigal:  wanted to stand up and say "SNAP OUT OF IT"
    Zen Arado: ha ha yes Aga
    Agatha Macbeth: Ha! Yes Ara :)
    arabella Ella nods to Eliza
    Eden Haiku: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: And yet there is a spectrum I guess....
    Zen Arado: or Ara sorry :)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Aga, Ara?
    Eden Haiku: many layers of consciousness and numbness @Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal needs someone to yell SNAP OUT OF IT at herself, too... maybe before even out of bed
    Agatha Macbeth: Woops
    Eliza Madrigal nods nods
    Zen Arado: especialy before I get out of bed
    Agatha Macbeth: That's where you miss yer parents
    Eden Haiku: Dance of many veils
    Zen Arado: old grumpy :)
    arabella Ella: well the way i see it quite a few adults tend to lose interest in most things during their passage through life and end up simply bored and not interested in anything simply going through the motions like ... zombies
    Zen Arado: me that is :)
    arabella Ella: sad
    Zen Arado: true Ara
    Eliza Madrigal: MMMM Eden... yes... so what can we do to loosen the layers of numbness so they fall away easily.... or that we see through them....
    Eliza Madrigal nods @ Ara
    Eden Haiku: Zombies yes, like f some ghoul had eaten up their joy, yes, some...
    Agatha Macbeth: Drop 'em
    Zen Arado: yep Aga
    Agatha Macbeth: (f you'll pardon the expression)
    Zen Arado: he he
    Eliza Madrigal smiles

    Eden and I find another pleasure in common ...

    Eden Haiku: Like in Harry Potter how are they called.. the ones that make you feel cold and you need to eat chocolate,,,
    Zen Arado: lucky I didn't say that :)
    Eliza Madrigal: dementors...
    Eliza Madrigal: oh definitely
    Eden Haiku: Dementors yes...
    Eliza Madrigal carries 'emergency chocolate' when travelling ;-)
    arabella Ella: he he
    Eden Haiku: Me too ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    Eden Haiku: Harry Potter are very parctical guidebooks...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I find that too! so many concepts...
    Eden Haiku: How to deal with Dementors and use your Patronus!
    Eliza Madrigal: like those things that get into one's mind and make everything fuzzy
    arabella Ella: like alcohol?
    arabella Ella: only joking
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Agatha Macbeth: (hic)
    Eliza Madrigal: nargles?
    Agatha Macbeth: Same tio you
    Eliza Madrigal: something like that... haha
    Eden Haiku: Ah yes, triggers that go deep into your own neuroses..
    Eden Haiku: Neurosis?
    Eliza Madrigal: but yes the patronus is an imagination to project which disspates the darkness....
    Zen Arado: pain body :)
    Agatha Macbeth: Mr Freud
    Eden Haiku: Lost my English between hindi and telugu...
    Eliza Madrigal: or something that scares you and you turn it into something else... transformations
    Eden Haiku: Yes, I can tell you are a Harry Potter fan too Eliza!
    Zen Arado: never read Harry P
    Eliza Madrigal has raised her kids on harry potter :)
    Zen Arado: missed out there
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, so worthwhile...
    Eliza Madrigal: and then for grown-ups... Jonathan Strange and Mr Norell...
    Eden Haiku: Read them to get in synch with my godaugther but she had grown out of it...
    Eliza Madrigal: but you hadn't?!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: :)
    Zen Arado: finished the Milennium trilogy too Eden :(

    Eliza Madrigal: what Ara was saying about imagination being a source for joy in children...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes I think that's what many have lost... their playful natures
    Eden Haiku: No, she found me so boooring with my obsession...;-))
    Agatha Macbeth: "In the head of a man is a woman, In the head of woman is a man, but what wonders roam in the head of a child".
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice!
    Agatha Macbeth: Marc Bolan
    Eden Haiku: Beautiful quote!
    arabella Ella: lovely
    Zen Arado: nice quote Aga
    Agatha Macbeth smiles

    When we, were young...

    Eden Haiku: What was in your mind when you were kids?
    arabella Ella: lots of lovely imagination and adventure
    Zen Arado: long time ago in my case :(
    Agatha Macbeth: Can't remember, too long ago ;-)
    Agatha Macbeth: Snap
    arabella Ella: idealism too
    Zen Arado: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: horses, ballerinas...
    arabella Ella: i remember lots even tho it was ages ago too
    Eliza Madrigal: throwing things down a hole that I called 'the bottomless pit'
    Agatha Macbeth: Odd combo that Liz :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Eliza Madrigal was an odd child
    Eden Haiku: I had this dream of having a magic pencil that would color just as I would picture in my mind...Brushes app is this dream come true!
    arabella Ella: i had lots of ballet images too
    Agatha Macbeth: Naaaw!!
    Zen Arado: the horseback ballerina :)
    Eliza Madrigal: wow Eden... you were writing worlds already
    Eliza Madrigal laughs at Zen
    Eden Haiku: @Eliza a bottomless pit, how interesting!
    Zen Arado: you were predicting the future Eden
    Eliza Madrigal was often told not to come inside until after dark... had to entertain myself for hours outside... beautiful gardens my great-grandmother had cultivated
    arabella Ella: we had found lots of secret passages as kids too ... used to explore lots
    Zon Quar: hello buddhas
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice, Ara. with siblings?
    arabella Ella: Hiya Zon!
    Agatha Macbeth: Hi Zon
    arabella Ella: with siblings and other neighbourhood friends
    Zen Arado: Hi Zon :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zon :)
    arabella Ella: we also built huts which formed kids villages
    Eden Haiku: Lucky you, you had real secret passages in Malta. I kept looking for castles and secret passages but there are none here!
    Zen Arado: we used to hang around streams
    arabella Ella: oh yes and ghosts in castles too
    Eliza Madrigal: Ooooo wonderful!!

    The blue lady...

    arabella Ella: the blue lady for example
    Zen Arado: catch little fish
    Eden Haiku: The blue lady? Hi Zon!
    Eden Haiku: We are talking about what was on our mind when we were kids,
    arabella Ella: i remember camping in the castle grounds as a girl guide and waking up to walk to the castle to see whether we would see the ghost of the blue lady
    arabella Ella: must have been around 12 or 13
    Eliza Madrigal: Sounds like that might make a nice little book, Ara
    arabella Ella: yes
    Eden Haiku: Wow, I like that story Ara!
    Eliza Madrigal can picture the blue lady
    Zen Arado: I have a friend is interested in ghosts
    Eden Haiku: Oh,,,
    arabella Ella: lots of ghosts and spirits on this little rock
    Eliza Madrigal felt like she was a ghost as a child... thinks that's part of what happens when you play with imaginary friends ;-)
    Zen Arado: she went to an old gaol couple of weeks ago ghost hunting
    arabella Ella: well i went to an old military prison today
    Eden Haiku: Imaginary friends Eliza, tell us more ;-))
    arabella Ella: was an exciting expertience
    arabella Ella: experience
    Zon Quar: oops gtg to dance, c u
    arabella Ella: had lunch in sergeants mess
    Zen Arado: she showedme photos of the ghosts
    arabella Ella: bye Zon enjoy!
    Zen Arado: bye Zon
    Eliza Madrigal: so neat.... imagining all these things together
    Eden Haiku: Bye Zon!
    arabella Ella: also saw the solitary confinement cell ... weird feeling
    Eliza Madrigal: what was the occasion Ara?
    arabella Ella: it was what we call a site visit to a place of cultural / historical interest
    Eden Haiku: Yes, feeling like in a playground with ghosts and ballerinas and a blue lady
    arabella Ella: apparently this was a british military prison built in 1830 and used until the 1970s
    Eliza Madrigal smiles widely
    Zen Arado: you see any ghosts Ara ?
    Eden Haiku: What were the photos like Zen?
    Zen Arado: just 'orbs'
    arabella Ella: did not see ... or either feel ... any ghosts or spirits today unfortunately
    arabella Ella: but ... when we had the retreat locally
    Zen Arado: little white bits in the photos
    arabella Ella: we were based near Mdina the old walled city
    arabella Ella: and that is definitely a place where i always feel the presence of spirits
    arabella Ella: it is a place where i feel uncomfortable walking alone at night
    arabella Ella: through the narrow medieval winding streets
    Eliza Madrigal: sometimes I wonder if it isn't people but their stories which linger...
    Eden Haiku: L'esprit des lieux in French, Is there the same expression in English?
    arabella Ella: what is lieux Eden?
    arabella Ella: spirit of ?
    Eliza Madrigal: someone's memory left wisping by... and one feels it....
    Agatha Macbeth: Genius loci?
    Eden Haiku: Spirit of places literally...
    Agatha Macbeth: Yes
    Eden Haiku: Yes, Genius loci...
    Agatha Macbeth nods
    arabella Ella: ah ... yes ... that is what i feel more or less in Mdina
    Eden Haiku: Do you use the latin expression in English?
    Eliza Madrigal: something you've sensed Ag?
    arabella Ella: first time i heard it

    Site guardians...

    Agatha Macbeth: Kind of a site guardian...
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, interesting
    Agatha Macbeth: Oh in the past
    Eden Haiku: A site guardian, yes, nice way to see it...
    arabella Ella: please say more Aga ...
    Eliza Madrigal: is that what we are? heheh
    Eden Haiku: Was wondering too ;-)
    Zen Arado: interesting
    Agatha Macbeth: Well maybe we are the Genii loci of PaB :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ding, log title!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Zen Arado: :)
    Eden Haiku: Genii loci of PaB! My God, you can conjugate in latin Agathitha!
    Agatha Macbeth: We haunt the pavilion, no?
    arabella Ella: will our spirits lurk here after we are gone
    Agatha Macbeth: pavilion
    Eliza Madrigal: at the very least our stories....
    Zen Arado: she' a genius
    arabella Ella nods
    Agatha Macbeth: KB is dyslexic tonight
    Eden Haiku: They do in fact, all past conversations are surrounding us, unaware...
    arabella Ella: yes
    Agatha Macbeth: And recorded :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes and their feeling is in them
    Eden Haiku: And recorded yes!
    Eliza Madrigal: one can be there
    arabella Ella: the trust ... the honesty ... the friendship
    Eden Haiku: Yes Ara
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
    Agatha Macbeth will slip off now. Bye all
    Zen Arado: anything posted on the web is there forever they say
    arabella Ella: nite Aga
    Agatha Macbeth: .-''''-.,.-''''-.
    Agatha Macbeth: ! I LOVE !
    Agatha Macbeth: ". YOU ."
    Agatha Macbeth: '''-.,.-
    Zen Arado: bye Aga :)
    Eden Haiku: Bye Agatha
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Ag :) Smooches!!!
    arabella Ella: hug!
    Eliza Madrigal: (that was sweet)
    Eden Haiku: That was!

    Stormy weather stories...

    arabella Ella: just a brief anecdote from my childhood ....
    Eliza Madrigal leans in
    Eden Haiku: yes
    arabella Ella: in an attempt not to let us get scared in bad weather
    arabella Ella: we were told that thunder was simply st peter and st paul playing marbles
    Eden Haiku: ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    arabella Ella: however am still scared in bad storms
    Zen Arado: :)
    Eden Haiku: my mother used to light candles
    Eliza Madrigal: When storms were bad, I wasn't allowed to bathe or to put my feet on the floor
    Eliza Madrigal: it made me love showering during storms now... go figure
    arabella Ella: we sometimes have to light candles as we may get a power cut ... rarely but it still happens at times
    Zen Arado: I think ppl actually believed ithunder was from God
    arabella Ella: oh yes Zen
    Eden Haiku: You are a rebel Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal remembers kerosine laterns ...
    arabella Ella giggles at Eliza and her showers during storms ... might as well go outdoors to get wet
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    arabella Ella: we still have some kerosine lanterns
    Eden Haiku: I,m singing in the rain...
    arabella Ella: gene kelley ... he he
    Eliza Madrigal loves rain... and walking in it
    Zen Arado: and we're happy again :)
    Eliza Madrigal: what a glorious feeling...
    Eden Haiku: In puddles and in mud...
    arabella Ella: rode my bike today in the rain ... lovely
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    Eliza Madrigal: that sounds fun ara!
    Zen Arado: do de doo doo...
    Eliza Madrigal: I haven't done that since childhood
    arabella Ella: yes it was fun also with cars splashing rain over me :)
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh... as long as not mud puddles
    Eden Haiku: ;-((
    arabella Ella: yes it was just water
    arabella Ella: no damage
    arabella Ella: just fun
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: so many things this conversation has conjured up....
    arabella Ella nods
    arabella Ella: very lively evening
    Eden Haiku: Yes, it was lovely.
    arabella Ella: (evening for me in europe ... night actually)
    Eliza Madrigal: fun to think about what we were like as children... kind of takes one back to feel as though we are meeting in that time
    Zen Arado: we will run out someday and ust sit here silently...
    arabella Ella: i think it is so important to nurture and cultivate the child within each and every one of us
    Eden Haiku: Yes, I agree with you Ara
    Eliza Madrigal: rediscovering the nature of play
    Zen Arado: Jesus you have to become as a little child....
    Zen Arado: said
    arabella Ella: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: :) yes to have access to seeing the kingdom of heaven...

    His Holines...

    Eden Haiku: This pavilion is so enchanting, it feels good to be back. Even if sitting with His Holiness and tibetan monks and nuns was pretty nice too ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm sure THAT was asounding Eden
    arabella Ella: you really did Eden?
    Eliza Madrigal: but am so glad you're happy to see us too :)))
    arabella Ella: happy to see you back too Eden
    Eden Haiku: Yes, and the teachings were in Tibetan...
    arabella Ella: wow how lovely
    Zen Arado: something childlike in HH too...?
    Eliza Madrigal: definitely
    Zen Arado: I saw him in Belfast about 4 yrars ago
    Eden Haiku: I felt very privileged: listening to such ancient transmissions. Yes, very funny HH...
    Eliza Madrigal: all of the teachings Eden?
    arabella Ella: did you understand or was there a translation?
    Eden Haiku: The Guhyasamaja Tantra teachings, yes,. Five days, 5 hours and a half a day.
    Eden Haiku: There was English translation too.
    Eliza Madrigal: wow.... sits closer to pick some of that up
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    arabella Ella: interesting
    Eden Haiku: Hugging you so you can pick up all of it...
    Eliza Madrigal: (((Eden))) yes I was there with you ;-)
    Eden Haiku: I know...
    Eliza Madrigal: What was the most compelling idea/part, of what you heard?
    arabella Ella: hugging you back Eden!
    Eliza Madrigal: I know complex...

    Eden conveyed the following story very thoughtfully... complete with long pauses so that we could sense the anticipation she described...

    Eden Haiku: When reading the text His Holiness saud:«The Tataghata, having overcome his sorrow»...

    Eden Haiku: And then, he stops reading, his forehead low on the manuscript, falls silent...

    Eden Haiku: The whole Sangha holding its breath...


    Eden Haiku: Then, he discretely wipes his eyes and keeps on reading...having overcomed his own sorrow.

    arabella Ella: very much impressed
    Eliza Madrigal: stunning
    Zen Arado: beautiful Eden
    Eden Haiku: That was very very moving.
    Eden Haiku: Talking with a Tibetan woman afterwards, I was sharing that he must have been thinking about his sorrow about Tibet.
    Eliza Madrigal: the way you shared with us is moving also... tangible
    Eden Haiku: She said: he was thinking about all the sorrow, of the whole world, of all sentient beings,
    Zen Arado: I felt moved by just seing him
    Zen Arado: which surprised me at the time.....
    Eliza Madrigal: mmmm, and there we see a display of sadness not being the problem, but getting stuck in it....
    Eliza Madrigal: of using it, transforming it... releasing it to love
    arabella Ella: what a lovely impressive image thanks Eden for sharing it
    Eliza Madrigal: what did you feel Zen?
    Eden Haiku: Such a good example of being a simple monk with total integrity.
    Zen Arado: can't describe it.... he was just so humble
    Eliza Madrigal: isn't it funny how pictures can convey some of that?
    arabella Ella nods
    Eden Haiku: In India, they beleibe that darshan of a saint can be given through pictures...
    Zen Arado: something more powerful in the flesh though
    Eliza Madrigal: I haven't met the tulku from my rl group yet, but from talking with his students and seeing his picture, feel as though I have
    Eden Haiku: *believe
    Eden Haiku: Oh, is it a young tulku, a child?
    Eliza Madrigal: Interesting... think there is something to that... like we were talking about being able to sense in subtle ways
    Eden Haiku: Oh yes, Zen, I know what you mean...
    Eliza Madrigal: No Eden... he's probably as young as I am
    Eden Haiku: A kid then ;-)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: but looks like a child... his face all bright and happy
    Eliza Madrigal: ha!
    Zen Arado: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: haha ;-) yes sure
    Zen Arado: you know Ringu Tulku?
    Eden Haiku: No, who is he?
    Zen Arado: he is coming to Ireland soon
    Eden Haiku: Oh, nice...
    Eliza Madrigal is rather new to these circles
    Zen Arado: a Tibetan teacher
    Zen Arado: he is on Facebook
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steve :))
    Eden Haiku: DalaiLama is on Twitter!
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Eliza Madrigal: yes! hahaha
    arabella Ella: there are quite a few Buddhist groups on FB
    arabella Ella: just as there are also SL groups
    Eden Haiku: It was fun to see these Tibetan monks using Skype or talking on ther cell phones in Dharamsala...
    Zen Arado: http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?ref=sgm&id=685681871

    Steve arrives for a little while...

    Eliza Madrigal: We've been having quite an interesting session... spirits, childhoods, secret passages and castles, sacred news from India....
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh must have been Eden! :)
    Zen Arado: Hi Steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: you still in Inda, Eden?
    Zen Arado: thanks for fixing my chat log
    Eden Haiku: Hello Steve. No, I'm back home, jet-lagged but happy ;-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: it;s what we are here for
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: Ringu looks so happy too
    arabella Ella: thanks Zen just sent Friend Add request on FB :)
    Eliza Madrigal: there's a glimmer... have felt that with pab friends too :)))
    Eden Haiku: You mean when you meet them in RL Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes... as well as here... like sightings
    Eliza Madrigal: you see the wide-eyedness... sometimes even in text?
    Eden Haiku: Even in raiding chat logs that is true. You were all shining in this theme session about scribing where you fflew around in onigokko!
    Eden Haiku: *reading
    arabella Ella: yes i have always felt we get to know people really well here through chat especially over time when we build up more trust
    Eliza Madrigal smiles... glad you found our waves, Eden
    Eliza Madrigal: true, Ara... over time I guess we develop familiarity of personality and hear better?

    Eden makes an unrefuseable request...

    Eden Haiku: may I ask for a little round of flying onigooko befopre I leave this wonderful conversation?
    Eliza Madrigal: or hm, not better but hm..
    arabella Ella: yes we build up characters and personalities more over time
    arabella Ella: oh must wear mine :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh... finding the flying animation!
    Zen Arado: ha ...trying to get rid of mine :)
    arabella Ella: ok worn
    arabella Ella: argh ... Steve is flying :)
    Zen Arado: ty Eliza
    stevenaia Michinaga: quite relaxing up here
    Eliza Madrigal: it IS quite blissful....
    Eden Haiku: Woooow thank you!!!
    arabella Ella: what fun!!!!!!!!!!
    arabella Ella: thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe
    --BELL-- Snapshot_156.jpg
    Eliza Madrigal: now I can't remember if this worked....
    Eliza Madrigal: onigokko
    Eliza Madrigal: stop
    arabella Ella: all we need is Space Odyssey lyrics
    Eliza Madrigal: yes perfect.... now playing in my head
    stevenaia Michinaga: we tried that , there is no flying onigokko
    arabella Ella: he he
    Eliza Madrigal: Ahhh

    Eden turns on her radio, then zen....

    Eden Haiku: can yopu hear that?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks, Eden
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    arabella Ella: thanks Eden!
    Eden Haiku: It feels so good floating around with you guys!!!
    Eden Haiku: Eliza has the perfect dress for that
    Eliza Madrigal: !!!!
    Eliza Madrigal: my kids are cracking up
    arabella Ella giggles
    arabella Ella: Hi Kids!
    arabella Ella: thanks Zen!!!!!!!!!!1
    arabella Ella: so surreal and yet so familiar
    Eliza Madrigal: ahhaha
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, like some strange memory we're re-enacting
    arabella Ella: flying in cyberspace of course
    Eliza Madrigal: onigokko
    Eliza Madrigal: stop
    arabella Ella: where everything is possible
    Eliza Madrigal notices Sharon just signed on....
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    stevenaia Michinaga: onigokko
    Zen Arado: she'll think we've gone mad
    Eliza Madrigal: look what we've done to her session
    Eliza Madrigal: ;-D
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Sophia
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Eliza Madrigal: stop
    Eden Haiku: Hi Sophia...
    Zen Arado: Hi Sophia
    arabella Ella: hey now to Vienna ... wow ... amazing
    arabella Ella: Hiya SSL
    Zen Arado: was in Space Odyssey...
    Eliza Madrigal: yes figured you were napping....
    Eliza Madrigal: Glad we lingered
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: awwww
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes me too!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: im so sorry
    Eliza Madrigal: come on in the air is fine
    Eden Haiku: Ah let it all go SophiaSharon...
    arabella Ella: this is such amazing fun
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it is nice and clear, from here
    arabella Ella: so relaxing too
    Eliza Madrigal: it ISssss
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol just rezzing! who;s here? LOL
    Eden Haiku: Flowing and flowing and flowing
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Eden!!!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: is here
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nice to "see" you
    Eliza Madrigal: she saw the scribe log.... our waving from flying onigokko
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    Eden Haiku: Hello Sophia Sharon! Yes, I'm back and happy to be floating around with you all!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: glad to see you made it safe
    arabella Ella: flying in time to the music too :)
    arabella Ella: smiles on all our faces
    Eden Haiku: And I requested a try at it before I left and now I don,t want to leave...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: what music! who's is that?
    arabella Ella: music is Zen
    Eliza Madrigal: yes difficult to leave...
    arabella Ella: Space Odyssey
    arabella Ella: at my request
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ahh :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I'm off to a spagetti dinner, see you al later
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Steve
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Steve, enjoy! :)
    arabella Ella: bye Steve
    Eden Haiku: Bye Steve, I will have to fly away too!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: who claimed the log, I'll post it :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Eden, thanks :))
    arabella Ella: bye Eden lovely to see you back and thanks!
    Zen Arado: bye Steve
    Eden Haiku: Bye Eliza, Zen, Ara, Sophia, it was a great time in the pavilion!
    Zen Arado: Bye Eden
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eden
    arabella Ella: i must go too bye all ... nite to all!
    Eliza Madrigal: Nite Ara
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Ara
    Eliza Madrigal: hope you are relaxed for sleep
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    Zen Arado: nite Ara
    Eliza Madrigal: is quite a log sharon... sure?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, it got quiet, no lights or tv, I thought i had lots of time
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, maybe you would be better off posting you were here :)
    Eliza Madrigal: will be hard to read how neat this feels with music
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: this is what our modern lifestyle has reduced us to...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: glad to make a fly by anyway ;p
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Eliza Madrigal: alas, should be 'productive'
    Zen Arado: you remember the sequence in 2001 ? A Space Oddysey?
    Zen Arado: they were flying to the moon and weightless
    SophiaSharon Larnia: me? sort of, from the dusty past
    Eliza Madrigal: Ahhhh
    Zen Arado: ha ha too young
    Eliza Madrigal sweeps out the recesses of her mind....
    SophiaSharon Larnia: erm not that young !! jaja
    Eliza Madrigal: when you're young at heart.... lalala
    Zen Arado: well it was 1968
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but maybe it wasn't my thing ^..^
    Eliza Madrigal was -2 in 1968
    SophiaSharon Larnia: LOL at minus 2
    SophiaSharon Larnia: me too!! grins
    Eliza Madrigal: /smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: a year earlier and I would have been born at woodstock
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh my!
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, maybe not really... but dates align
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: Woodstock was 1969?
    Eliza Madrigal: yup...
    Eliza Madrigal: whew... was getting dizzy
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I'm awake now, stumbled to the comp with a very fuzzy head, now no longer :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Glad to be of service!

    Ways to know if you are boring...

    Eliza Madrigal: I read something funny today..
    Eliza Madrigal: think it has implications for pab...
    Zen Arado: yes?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: really, i apoplogize , i actually sent an email to the google group
    Eliza Madrigal: Psychology Today"... a back issue... waiting for an appointment...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: before coming here, i still didnt know what time it was
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, don't worry at all Sharon
    Eliza Madrigal: glad you got some rest :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: the article... read...
    Eliza Madrigal: "ways to tell if you are being boring"
    Zen Arado: I need to read that :)
    Eliza Madrigal: And one of the ways... was if no one interrupts you!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: really...
    Eliza Madrigal: Isn't that funny....
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes
    Zen Arado: np here then :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes because interruptions are a sign of a provoked response....
    Eliza Madrigal: interest
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Zen Arado: everyone interrupts me
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
    Zen Arado: hmmm. thought it was the other way round
    Eliza Madrigal: yes its counterintuitive...
    Eliza Madrigal: and I would guess not a 'rule'
    Eliza Madrigal: but it also makes senese too
    Zen Arado: something to keep in mind though...
    Eliza Madrigal: just goes to show... sometimes we read signals in a way that can be off... let our feelings be hurt unecessarily, etc
    Zen Arado: yes...
    Zen Arado: and tel unnecessary stories
    Zen Arado: the stories aren't even true most of the time
    Zen Arado: please interrupt me :)
    Eliza Madrigal: hahahaha
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Eliza Madrigal: clever ;-)
    Zen Arado: I better go it's getting late here
    Eliza Madrigal: we started off earlier, Sharon, talking about the stories we build up about things... our constructs...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Zen :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Zen :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Nite
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes good to think about
    Zen Arado: bye Eliza, Sharon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I'll read the log later anyway <sighs>

    Sharon and I begin a conversation well suited to the pub's cozy environment...

    Eliza Madrigal: I wonder if you're awake enough to talk a little about ideas for the pub?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sure :) what did you have in mind, or.. could some of this be removed from the log, or, do you want to Go to the pub :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: haha
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh! yes lets do that! Go see Bella...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ok
    Eliza Madrigal: Say goodnight gracie
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles and waves
    Eliza Madrigal: :)

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