2010.03.22 13:00 - Good to be Back

    The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard.

      Wol Euler: hjello mick
      Mickorod Renard: Hiya Wol
      Liza Deischer: hi mick
      Mickorod Renard: Hi Liza
      Mickorod Renard: how are you both?
      Wol Euler: looking forward to getting to bed early tonight
      Liza Deischer: :-)
      Mickorod Renard: yes, I know what you mean Wol
      Mickorod Renard: Hiya Yaku
      Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
      Liza Deischer: hi Yaku
      Wol Euler: hello yaku
      Mickorod Renard: I was thinking today how because I had left home late to go to work I didnt get into enjoying the trip like I often do
      Wol Euler nods.
      Liza Deischer: and it was such beautiful weather
      Wol Euler: hello qt
      Liza Deischer: at least, it was here
      Liza Deischer: hi QT
      Qt Core: Hi all
      Wol Euler: hello eliza
      Mickorod Renard: I am not sure what I need to address,,is it that I shud have said to myself,,enjoy what else can I do,,or,,,maybe I shuoul have just left earlier and learn the lesson
      Qt Core: got finally home early wol ?
      Liza Deischer: hi eliza
      Eliza Madrigal: Hi! :)))))
      Mickorod Renard: Hiya Eliza,,QT
      Liza Deischer: Agatha jumped in the water :-)
      Agatha Macbeth: Evening all :)
      Liza Deischer: hi Agatha
      Qt Core: hi Agatha
      Mickorod Renard: Hi Agatha
      Agatha Macbeth: he's fallen in da water :)
      Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha, Qt, Wol, Mick, Liza, Ya :)
      Yakuzza Lethecus: hi qt,eliza,aga :)
      Wol Euler: hello agatha
      Liza Deischer: yes, we heard you :-)
      Agatha Macbeth: Lag is hideous tonight
      Eliza Madrigal: So nice to *see* everyone
      Agatha Macbeth: Always nice to see you Liz :)
      Mickorod Renard: aha,,there you are Ags
      Eliza Madrigal smiles happily
      Agatha Macbeth waves
      Qt Core: there should be some issues, i didn't ever found my home sim!
      Agatha Macbeth: (both arms)
      Eliza Madrigal: heheh
      Qt Core: even
      Agatha Macbeth: REZ DAMMIT!!!!
      Eliza Madrigal: :)
      Wol Euler: :)))
      Agatha Macbeth: ARRRRRRRRgh
      Liza Deischer: hi Bleu
      Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
      Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bleu :)
      Bleu Oleander: hi!
      Wol Euler: eliza, you are very springlike today
      Mickorod Renard: Hi Brue
      Mickorod Renard: Bleu
      Agatha Macbeth: (Maybe I should just guess where the cushions are)
      Qt Core: hi Bleu
      Eliza Madrigal: Yes, exactly how I feel too, Wol :))
      Mickorod Renard: is that your dream catcher Eliza?
      Wol Euler: hello bleu
      Agatha Macbeth: Hi Bleu
      Bleu Oleander: hi everyone
      Eliza Madrigal: Hm, no.... reading the logs it seems it is a talking stick that Calvino rezzed?
      Qt Core: click on it it give out notecard
      Mickorod Renard: I see
      Agatha Macbeth: This thingy next to me you mean?
      Qt Core: yes
      Agatha Macbeth: Looks like a peace=pipe
      Mickorod Renard: yes
      Qt Core: same function
      Eliza Madrigal: Ah, I remember attending an event and we resorted to using a banana....
      Agatha Macbeth: ???
      Eliza Madrigal: showing who had the floor, so to speak :)
      Agatha Macbeth: Oh
      Eliza Madrigal: :)
      Mickorod Renard: sounds interesting Eliza
      Agatha Macbeth: Banana relay?
      Wol Euler: :)
      Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
      Eliza Madrigal: yes exactly
      Qt Core: it was a one banana issue discussion ?
      Qt Core: (sorry programmer humor)
      Eliza Madrigal: one banana at a time anyway
      Qt Core: brb
      Agatha Macbeth: Could have been tricky had someone dropped it
      Eliza Madrigal: Wol, nice to see you.... things lightening a bit work wise?
      Liza Deischer: splashhhhh :-)
      Agatha Macbeth nods
      Mickorod Renard: someone could have sat on it by accident
      Eliza Madrigal: heheh
      Wol Euler: yes, finally.
      Wol Euler: it should be over by the end of this week
      Agatha Macbeth: Yay!
      Eliza Madrigal: Wonderful :)
      Mickorod Renard: wow
      Mickorod Renard: yipeee
      Eliza Madrigal: Three cheers and a tiger
      Wol Euler: but I've been hearing that for two weeks already
      Agatha Macbeth: And now the end is near......
      Liza Deischer: oh, downer
      Agatha Macbeth: Adelene?
      Wol Euler: no, it is definitely improving
      Liza Deischer: okay :-)
      Eliza Madrigal: :))
      Liza Deischer: well, you were early today
      Liza Deischer: that's a good sign
      Wol Euler: yep :)
      Mickorod Renard: I notice the way I slip from practice of what we learn here, either for one reason or another,,and it makes a diference
      Mickorod Renard: Hi Sophia SS
      Agatha Macbeth: 'Twill be even better when the time gets back to normal
      Eliza Madrigal: Do you notice Mick?
      Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon :)
      Mickorod Renard: very much
      Liza Deischer: hi sharon
      Agatha Macbeth: Yes, he's over there
      Bleu Oleander: hi Sharon
      Eliza Madrigal: hahaha Oh Agatah
      Wol Euler: hello sharon
      Eliza Madrigal: Agatha, too
      Eliza Madrigal: :)
      Agatha Macbeth: Hi SSL
      Agatha Macbeth: I like 'Agatah'
      Bleu Oleander: :)
      Eliza Madrigal: I asked that way because noticing itself, seems like mindfulness...
      Eliza Madrigal: :)
      Agatha Macbeth: Wow, arial Sharon
      Mickorod Renard: perhaps
      SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi everyone :) wonky sl again ;p
      Agatha Macbeth: Tell me! :(
      Eliza Madrigal: It does seem glitchy today... instead of butterflies I see circles
      Mickorod Renard: some things are easier to do when the pressure is not on
      Eliza Madrigal: Hi Zen
      Eliza Madrigal: :)
      Liza Deischer: hi Zen
      Bleu Oleander: hi Zen
      Agatha Macbeth: Hello Zen
      Mickorod Renard: but needed most when the pressure is on
      Zen Arado: Hi Eliza :)
      Wol Euler: hello zen
      Zen Arado: Hi all
      Mickorod Renard: Hi Zen
      Eliza Madrigal: Ah, true Mick!
      Eliza Madrigal: How is the moving in coming along?
      Mickorod Renard: well,,thankfully its over except unloading whats in some boxes
      Mickorod Renard: I am truly grateful for a lovely home..at last
      Agatha Macbeth: :)
      Eliza Madrigal nods. Congratulations... very happy for you
      Mickorod Renard: a garden within a garden
      Wol Euler: yes, congrats.
      Mickorod Renard: thankyou
      SophiaSharon Larnia: very nice
      Bleu Oleander: how nice :)
      Mickorod Renard: :)
      Eliza Madrigal: May I ask for you to say more, Mick? about pressure/pauses/practice?
      Mickorod Renard: takes me a bit longer to get to work,,but in reality its a pleasure of a drive/ride
      Wol Euler: :)
      Mickorod Renard: yes,,ok
      Mickorod Renard: I am not really under any pressure
      Mickorod Renard: but oddly I alow myself to be a tool for people who then rely on me
      Mickorod Renard: and I feel obligated
      Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes
      Wol Euler nods.
      Agatha Macbeth: Shouldn't be a tool Mick ;-)
      Zen Arado: don't we all:)
      Mickorod Renard: but I dont mind
      Wol Euler: you've mentioned this before, Mick
      Mickorod Renard: so for me its not so hard to break the jam I may find myself in
      Eliza Madrigal: someone once made a helpul distinction for me regarding helping others and time, etc... that sometimes one has to factor the hm, psychic pressure as well as the time itself...
      Mickorod Renard: and its useful to use these situations to observe
      Zen Arado: so long as tool is not = doormat
      Eliza Madrigal: that some tasks take more umph than others... and it is perfectly fine to be clear. Those who know you know your loving intentions I'm sure :)
      Mickorod Renard: maybe
      Liza Deischer: umph ?
      Mickorod Renard: :)
      Eliza Madrigal: yes... hm... for instance it may take me 2 hrs to do a certain kind of shopping... but it may drain me for the whole day
      Zen Arado: I'm right out of umph :)
      Eliza Madrigal: whereas 2 hrs of another task, may energize
      Agatha Macbeth nods
      Eliza Madrigal: very personal
      Mickorod Renard: yes
      Zen Arado: ah yes
      Mickorod Renard: its funny,,and sometimes its not any more effort,,just a frame of mind
      Zen Arado: perhaps it's whether you enjoy the task though?
      Eliza Madrigal yes to both
      Eliza Madrigal: lots of factors I guess...
      Eliza Madrigal: and sometimes the 'way' we're doing it... guess that's frame of mind...
      Zen Arado: or whether you have the capability ofr the task
      Eliza Madrigal: or whether we can learn to sing our way through it, or keep our pauses going.... :)
      Mickorod Renard: the falling into the rut of feeling the strain is , at least for me,,,something that creeps up on me unnoticed
      Eliza Madrigal: hmm...nods
      Mickorod Renard: if I observe it first I deal with it ok
      Mickorod Renard: if it sneaks up,,it may drag me down some before I recognise it
      Eliza Madrigal: maybe observing it first gives you space to enter into whatever you're doing with patience and appreciation?
      Mickorod Renard: Hi Ara
      Zen Arado: Hi Ara
      Bleu Oleander: hi Ara :)
      Wol Euler: hello ara
      Agatha Macbeth: Evening Ara :)
      Qt Core: hi Ara
      arabella Ella: Hiya everyone :)
      Liza Deischer: hi ara
      Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ara :)
      Zen Arado: sometimes it's the thoughts 'I shouldn't have to do this' that wears us out more
      Eliza Madrigal nods nods
      Mickorod Renard: thats true too Zen
      Zen Arado: mental energy we don't notice so much
      Agatha Macbeth: Only lack of it ;-)
      Eliza Madrigal: I guess it falls under the 'know yourself' category
      arabella Ella hates the word 'should' and tries to eliminate it from my vocabulary
      Eliza Madrigal: :)
      Wol Euler: agrees with ara
      Mickorod Renard: I wonder why there is this need for energy in a mental way,,physical I can comprehend
      Zen Arado: it shows resistancd to reality I guess
      Mickorod Renard: but it is a real drain
      Zen Arado: what 'should' be
      Zen Arado: but isn't
      Eliza Madrigal: well... because we're not just 'do'ers... our energy is life... creativity...
      Liza Deischer: sorry, need to go
      Liza Deischer: cu
      Eliza Madrigal: Bye Liza :)
      Bleu Oleander: bye Liza
      Mickorod Renard: bye Liza..nice c in u
      Wol Euler: bye liza, take care
      Zen Arado: bye Liza
      Qt Core: bye liza
      Agatha Macbeth: Cya Liza
      arabella Ella: nite Liza
      Zen Arado: I just realized today that things usually go wrong
      Mickorod Renard: can u explain more Eliza
      Mickorod Renard: re the energy?
      Wol Euler: an interesting statement, zen!"
      Zen Arado: yes please Eliza
      Bleu Oleander: Murphy's Law?
      Agatha Macbeth: To be sure
      arabella Ella: new take on Murphy's Law Zen?
      Zen Arado: well very often anyway
      arabella Ella: snap ... Bleu
      Eliza Madrigal: It isn't really a formed thought, but I'm thinking that when our hearts aren't connected to our work, it can be more draining....
      Eliza Madrigal: so being creative beings....
      Eliza Madrigal: gives us energy
      Wol Euler: I agree, that matches my experience too
      arabella Ella: yes motivation and involvement ... willingly
      Eliza Madrigal nods
      SophiaSharon Larnia: surely mine too
      arabella Ella: challenge, interest
      Mickorod Renard: I see,,interesting Eliza
      Zen Arado: yes
      Wol Euler: the attitude, emotional state, makes a greater difference than the task itself
      Eliza Madrigal: indeed
      Bleu Oleander: agree!
      Zen Arado: it's resistance makes it hard?
      Mickorod Renard: its food,,when you enjoy
      Bleu Oleander: how you frame the task
      Zen Arado: forgot about Murphy's law
      Zen Arado: sounds like an Irishman too :)
      Mickorod Renard: Zens Law rocks
      Eliza Madrigal: :))))
      arabella Ella: could it perhaps be the case that our relationship with work is like any other relationship ... sounds a bit sceptical but gets to a plateu after the honeymoon then downhill?
      Mickorod Renard: Hi Hokon
      SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Hokon
      arabella Ella: (generalising of course)
      Hokon Cazalet: hi =)
      arabella Ella: Hiya Hokon
      Wol Euler: hello hokon
      Agatha Macbeth: Hello
      Wol Euler: have you been here before?
      Bleu Oleander: hi Hokon
      Hokon Cazalet: i was here last night
      Hokon Cazalet: but yes, im new here =)
      Wol Euler: ok, good, so you've had the intro :)
      Hokon Cazalet: yup
      Zen Arado: brb phone
      Yakuzza Lethecus: hey hokon
      Eliza Madrigal: Hi Hokon :)
      Hokon Cazalet waves
      Eliza Madrigal: Nice to meet you
      Hokon Cazalet: you too =)
      Eliza Madrigal: :))
      Mickorod Renard: :)
      arabella Ella: good to see you Hokon I remember you from PH way back in SL time :)
      Hokon Cazalet: =)
      Hokon Cazalet: hehe yup
      arabella Ella: good to see you again
      Yakuzza Lethecus: on phil island :)
      Hokon Cazalet: you too =)
      Mickorod Renard: I am a christiana minion too Hokon
      Hokon Cazalet: Yaaaaayyyyyyyy!
      arabella Ella: well PI seems to have taken over quite a lot from PH now
      Wol Euler: anyone whose profile tags Husserl is welcome here :)
      arabella Ella: very active PI
      Hokon Cazalet: hehe Wol
      Eliza Madrigal: :) Wol
      Hokon Cazalet: yup arabella
      Hokon Cazalet: im loving husserl, reading his book "Ideas" atm
      Hokon Cazalet: i plan on buying a few other books by him soon
      Bleu Oleander: had a workshop on his epoche recently at Kira
      Hokon Cazalet: oo
      Hokon Cazalet: aw i missed it
      Hokon Cazalet: i joined the kira group, cuz i heard they hold phenomenology meetings
      Eliza Madrigal: Let me get a link to the site... the meetings were posted and were just wonderful
      Bleu Oleander: sorry it ended!
      Eliza Madrigal: http://sites.google.com/site/phenomenologyvip/
      Hokon Cazalet: cool ty =)
      Yakuzza Lethecus: didn´t you attend sunfire´s existential event ?
      Mickorod Renard: isnt there goin to be a new class soon?
      Yakuzza Lethecus: it started at 1pm and i dind´t know if i should go here or there :)
      Mickorod Renard: whats that one Yaku?
      Eliza Madrigal shakes head @ Mick... not on phenom.
      Hokon Cazalet: i came in late, but yes yakuzza
      arabella Ella: I attended one of Sunfire's sessions recently it was very interesting ... about 10 days ago ... on existentialism
      Eliza Madrigal: I'm sure we can organize theme sessions along those lines here if people would like that, though
      Eliza Madrigal: (re phenom)
      Bleu Oleander: yes, Eliza
      arabella Ella: I was wondering whether anyone here was at the recent RL meeting and whether there is any feedback which may be interesting?
      Mickorod Renard: I like phenem
      Hokon Cazalet: cool im gonna bookmark this site, ty eliza
      Eliza Madrigal: Wonderful, Hokon :)
      Hokon Cazalet: =)
      Eliza Madrigal: Ah, Ara. I was there... I suppose there will be emails upcoming. Mostly we discussed the wg itself and various changes taking place every 6 months...
      arabella Ella: ah ty
      Mickorod Renard: I think that keeping some sort of refresher is good,,as some of our past classes seem to become distant memories
      Eliza Madrigal: it was quite a bit of outlining and also issues regarding retreats and well... would want to let others maybe respond first
      Eliza Madrigal nods @ Mick
      Agatha Macbeth nods
      arabella Ella: is feedback planned Eliza?
      arabella Ella: as we had feedback from the retreat too
      Eliza Madrigal: Ah, not formally... but I'd guess the guardian session will be lively
      Eliza Madrigal: :)
      arabella Ella: oh ... will have to miss it this Sunday :(
      arabella Ella: but will definitely look up the log later
      Eliza Madrigal: Mick, did you know that Maxine and Pema will have a TSK session on the 28th? Should be great.. may continue after that if goes well...
      Eliza Madrigal: Sure, Ara :)
      Bleu Oleander: that sounds great
      Wol Euler: ooooh
      Wol Euler: when?
      Bleu Oleander: is it the 28?
      Eliza Madrigal: And whatever you'd like to ask of course
      Eliza Madrigal: Yes, the 28th at Maxine's 1PM session
      Wol Euler: ty
      Eliza Madrigal: :))
      Mickorod Renard: wasnt there gonna be something on the Lia/Pema type thing also
      Eliza Madrigal: sallies?
      SophiaSharon Larnia: bye all have to go :))
      arabella Ella: yes
      Mickorod Renard: thanks,,sorry was distracted a mom in rl
      arabella Ella: bye SSL
      Mickorod Renard: bye SSl
      Eliza Madrigal: I hope so, don't know about it though, Mick
      Agatha Macbeth: BFN Sharon
      Wol Euler: bye sharon, take care
      Mickorod Renard: when is the 28th?
      Wol Euler: too late
      arabella Ella: Sunday
      Eliza Madrigal: Sunday, Mick
      Agatha Macbeth: Next Sunday
      Eliza Madrigal nods
      Mickorod Renard: ok ta
      Mickorod Renard: I hope I remember
      Eliza Madrigal: There will be reminders I'm sure
      Bleu Oleander: http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_Theme_Sessions
      Eliza Madrigal: Also you can check the theme page
      Eliza Madrigal: Ah, thanks Bleu!
      Bleu Oleander: yw
      Eliza Madrigal: I'm looking forward to a session Eos and I are having on the Tues following at the 7PM...
      Mickorod Renard: thanks
      Bleu Oleander: like the theme sessions :)
      Eliza Madrigal: The theme is "Be decisive, Know what is, See Clearly"... (hope I have that right) hehe
      Mickorod Renard: what will that be about Eliza?
      Hokon Cazalet: =)
      Eliza Madrigal smiles
      Wol Euler: :)
      Mickorod Renard: sounds great
      Eliza Madrigal: It is something Eos is inspired by...
      Mickorod Renard: yes
      Eliza Madrigal: so I look forward to finding out, too :)
      Mickorod Renard: anyone is welcome to remind me ,,anytime,,he he
      Eliza Madrigal: heheheh
      arabella Ella: ah that would be around 4am my time but again will catch up through log
      Bleu Oleander: PaB service
      Eliza Madrigal: like a wake up call?
      Eliza Madrigal: :)
      Bleu Oleander: session call
      Eliza Madrigal: :))
      Mickorod Renard: that is one thing I am finding I need to adjust..as I become less freaked our about life I am becoming complacent
      Wol Euler raises an eyebrow at the word "complacent"
      Eliza Madrigal: I doubt that Mick, maybe you are relaxing and enjoying life... doing things in a less doing way :)
      arabella Ella: ah Mick why not change 'complacent' to 'peaceful'?
      Wol Euler nods
      Mickorod Renard: well,,I feel like I am walking through a dream in rl
      Eliza Madrigal: Nice, Ara
      Agatha Macbeth: I feel like that all the time Mick
      Eliza Madrigal sees nothing wrong with that
      Mickorod Renard: grin
      arabella Ella: maybe you too are trying to remove 'should' from your vocabulary
      Bleu Oleander: wants some of what he's taking hehe
      Zen Arado: maybe it's good to see that Mick
      Eliza Madrigal: hahaa
      Mickorod Renard: observe from a dreamer point
      Zen Arado: you are waking up
      arabella Ella whispers ... shhhh symmetry (for Wol)
      Wol Euler beams. I thought so!
      arabella Ella: :)
      Eliza Madrigal smiles
      Qt Core: and i could even leave without disrupting it ;-)
      arabella Ella: notte Qt
      Eliza Madrigal: Mick, maybe you should have a sally session with Lia ... sounds like you have thoughts about dreaming awake
      Eliza Madrigal: Bye Qt :)
      Qt Core: 'notte Ara, bye all
      Eliza Madrigal: *should*
      Agatha Macbeth: Ciao QT
      Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
      Eliza Madrigal: (sorry about that)
      Bleu Oleander: bye Qt
      Zen Arado: bye Qt
      Mickorod Renard: byeeeeeee qt
      Hokon Cazalet: bye Qt =)
      Eliza Madrigal: I *should* have said... "Maybe you'd like to"
      arabella Ella: just a brief reflection of mine today
      arabella Ella: we had a nationwide powercut today
      Agatha Macbeth: Oops
      arabella Ella: and it felt terrible to be without power for a few hours
      Eliza Madrigal: its a profound idea, Ara
      Wol Euler: wow
      arabella Ella: and goes to show how totally dependent we are today on energy (power)
      Wol Euler: intention, or accident?
      Eliza Madrigal nods
      Agatha Macbeth nods @ Ara
      arabella Ella: no one yet knows the cause
      Hokon Cazalet: where did this happen?
      arabella Ella: or at least it is not public
      arabella Ella: on the little island of Malta Hokon
      Mickorod Renard: yes, I find it a concern,,i like to be self dependant
      Hokon Cazalet: ok
      Zen Arado: do you have an interconnector to mainland Ara?
      arabella Ella: most places just closed down
      arabella Ella: no we dont Zen we have two fuel powered power stations running on coal and oil
      Zen Arado: or is all power generated in Malta itself?
      Zen Arado: would be a small syatem then
      arabella Ella: yes it is Zen
      Wol Euler: I was reading some time abck about a tourist resort island off the coast of Africa that has been without electricity for over half a year
      arabella Ella: all locally generated
      Mickorod Renard: I am lookin into ways to power my place now..solar stuff n all that
      Wol Euler: they were supplied from land, and the undersea cable broke
      Bleu Oleander: can't even imagine over half a year!
      Eliza Madrigal: eek... what happened to the island economy, Wol?
      arabella Ella: but the sad thing was i then decided to visit my parents who are elderly and they were at such a loss as evenings they enjoy watching TV to relax ... and they could not do so
      Wol Euler: well, it tanked, of course :)
      Wol Euler: making htem even less able to pay to have the cable repaired
      Zen Arado: is Malta's population growing fast Ara?
      Wol Euler: oddly enough, people seem (once the initial rage subsided) to be not very much less happy than before
      Eliza Madrigal: THAT is interesting to note
      arabella Ella: someone wrote than on the online newspaper Zen ... they said maybe the reason for the power cut was falling birth rates :)
      Eliza Madrigal: ?
      Zen Arado: perhaos generation capacity not keeping up?
      arabella Ella: not at this time of the year Zen ... that happens in mid winter or mid summer not in spring
      arabella Ella: must have been some fault
      Zen Arado: used to have power outages in N.Ireland but more secure now we are interconnected to Scotland
      arabella Ella: ah
      arabella Ella: and the Scots have cheap gas right?
      Eliza Madrigal: For a few years in a row we had either light hurricanes or strong tropical storms (in Miami) which would knock out power for days at a time
      Mickorod Renard: all that porridge they eat
      Zen Arado: it's running out Ara
      Zen Arado: :)
      arabella Ella: we have amongst the most expensive electricity bills in the world ... and yet we get power cuts ... feels like time travel back to middle ages
      Wol Euler: well, all fossil fuels are running out, if comes to that.
      Eliza Madrigal: after the first day people seem to settle in and make parties... hanging out outside and talking, etc... running on missions for ice, etc... back to village life
      Agatha Macbeth: Or the dark Ages
      arabella Ella giggles
      Eliza Madrigal: :)
      arabella Ella: very dark Agatha it was scarey driving in pitch darkness in places where the clubs and bars are usually full of life
      Hokon Cazalet: o.O
      Mickorod Renard: as u have so much sun,,I am supprised there isnt more use of it Ara
      Agatha Macbeth: Erk
      Zen Arado: if it costs more money it doesn't get done
      arabella Ella: yes we have lots of sun and wind ... but seems like politicians take for ever and a day to take sensible decisions
      Eliza Madrigal: that's their job
      arabella Ella: altho now they are setting up solar panels on all government buildings
      Eliza Madrigal: :)
      arabella Ella: so maybe ... slowly ...
      Bleu Oleander: same in arizona
      Zen Arado: just keep on with fossil fuels until they run out then panic
      arabella Ella: yes
      Mickorod Renard: what about Libya,,dont they send u cheap fuel?
      arabella Ella: ah ... dont mention that Mick
      arabella Ella: we have the problem with Shengen visas there at the moment
      arabella Ella: serious problem
      Mickorod Renard: oops
      arabella Ella: but i think a way to overcome it has been found
      Mickorod Renard: how far away is Libya?
      arabella Ella: around 300 km more or less
      Mickorod Renard: not a huge distance,,u cud pipe it direct, and /or electricity from solar farms in Libyan dessert
      arabella Ella: yes i guess so
      arabella Ella: after all how much electricity could 400K people use ... not much really when you come to think of it
      Mickorod Renard: I suppose everyone is waiting for things to become cheaper, like the technology
      Agatha Macbeth: I never had Libyan dessert Mick, is it nice?
      Eliza Madrigal giggles
      Bleu Oleander: :)
      Mickorod Renard: a bit gritty
      Wol Euler throws a cushion at Aggers.
      Agatha Macbeth: Ah, always brush your teeth afterwards
      arabella Ella: we have it regularly here Agatha ... it falls like manna from the sky ... through rain :)
      Agatha Macbeth: OW!
      Agatha Macbeth grins
      arabella Ella: it is forced down our throaths to be honest
      arabella Ella: literally
      Agatha Macbeth: Oh dear
      arabella Ella: yea gritty stuff as Mick rightly said
      Agatha Macbeth: What would Moses have said?
      Wol Euler: "let my people go"?
      Eliza Madrigal: :)
      Mickorod Renard: a basket case
      arabella Ella: 'I see red' perhaps
      Agatha Macbeth: 'Keep yer Aaron'?
      Eliza Madrigal: =P~
      Wol Euler: boom boom
      Wol Euler: you've been waiting for weeks to use that one, haven't you?
      Agatha Macbeth: Uh huh
      Wol Euler grins.
      Zen Arado: lol
      Eliza Madrigal pictures Agatha with a book of lines near the computer
      Agatha Macbeth: No, dey is in me 'ed Liz
      Mickorod Renard: now then, I had better go home and feed the cats
      Eliza Madrigal smiles
      Wol Euler: :)
      arabella Ella: nite Mick
      Wol Euler: goodnight mick, take care
      Eliza Madrigal: Okay Mick... nice to see you and happy you are settling in
      Eliza Madrigal: I should get going too actually
      Agatha Macbeth: TTFN MIck
      Mickorod Renard: thankyou,,its good to be back
      Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see everyone, missed you all :))
      Mickorod Renard: nite nite
      Wol Euler: bye eliza, good to see you again
      Agatha Macbeth: You too!
      Agatha Macbeth: Byeeee
      Yakuzza Lethecus: bye
      Bleu Oleander: bye everyone :)
      Eliza Madrigal waves and smiles thankfully
      arabella Ella: bye Eliza
      arabella Ella: bye Bleu
      Bleu Oleander: take care
      Agatha Macbeth: The bells!
      Wol Euler: bye bleu
      Agatha Macbeth: Cya Bleu
      Zen Arado: bye Eliza,
      Zen Arado: bye Bleu
      Agatha Macbeth: Musical cushions...
      Wol Euler: symmetry :)
      arabella Ella smiles
      arabella Ella: it is contagious this symmetry thing
      Agatha Macbeth: How is this symetrical?
      arabella Ella: it looks good
      Wol Euler: sure it is.
      Agatha Macbeth: 4 one side 2 the other
      Wol Euler: three empties to your left, three empties to my right
      arabella Ella: precisely
      Agatha Macbeth: I was thinking of the full ones :)
      Wol Euler: ah :)
      Agatha Macbeth: Are the cushions half full or half empty?
      Wol Euler: is the playgoda half full or half empty?
      Wol Euler: snap
      Zen Arado: playgoda?
      Agatha Macbeth: Ah so
      Wol Euler grins
      Zen Arado: new one :)
      Wol Euler: a very old one!
      Agatha Macbeth: I've heard it a lot :)
      Zen Arado: ok
      Wol Euler: that was one of the contenders for the official name for this place, early on
      Zen Arado: so I'm new :)
      Agatha Macbeth: I always refer to it as pavilion tho
      Zen Arado: was chickng [arameters of Malta power system
      Zen Arado: what a nerd I am
      arabella Ella: yes?
      Hokon Cazalet: :Þ
      Agatha Macbeth: Was it painful?
      arabella Ella: any info which may be interesting for me?
      Wol Euler: :)
      Zen Arado: I used to work in that industry
      arabella Ella: yes i remember you saying so
      Zen Arado: probably not
      Zen Arado: http://www.enemalta.com.mt/page.asp?p=926&l=1
      Zen Arado: pretty small system
      arabella Ella: small population too
      Zen Arado: yes big enough for it
      arabella Ella: i guess you were checking my answers to your questions too?
      arabella Ella: (only joking)
      Zen Arado: only interconnected to Gozo
      Agatha Macbeth: Zen the anorak strikes again!
      arabella Ella: Gozo is the smaller island
      Wol Euler: sounds like merchandising for a movie
      arabella Ella: part of Malta
      Zen Arado: you got them all right Ara :)
      Zen Arado: I see
      arabella Ella: ah ... may consider Mastermind could make some good money there :)
      arabella Ella: one error ... i said coal and seems like we dont use coal any more
      arabella Ella: i said coal and oil
      Agatha Macbeth will be right back.
      arabella Ella whispers ... must go now ... nite all!
      Hokon Cazalet: bye =)
      Wol Euler: goodnight ara, take care
      Hokon Cazalet: nice to see you again =)
      Yakuzza Lethecus: night wol
      Zen Arado: nite Ara,
      Agatha Macbeth returns to find Ara gone
      Hokon Cazalet: brb, bathroom again
      Zen Arado: I missed conversation on phenom earlier because of phone call
      Zen Arado: would be ice to have a theme meeting
      Zen Arado: nice
      Agatha Macbeth: Theme meeting Zen?
      Zen Arado: on phenomenology
      Agatha Macbeth: Ah right
      Agatha Macbeth: Why not?
      Zen Arado: otherwise can't find motivation to study it
      Zen Arado: Eliza posted a link to a series of videos on Twitter a while ago
      Zen Arado: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQFagq_MzZU
      Zen Arado: about phenom in case Hokon is interested
      Zen Arado: interesting lecture
      Hokon Cazalet: back
      Zen Arado: to me anyway :)
      Hokon Cazalet: cool ty for the link
      Agatha Macbeth: I remember the Numbskulls!!!
      Agatha Macbeth: YAY!!!
      Zen Arado: where did I hear that lately?
      Wol Euler: :)
      Zen Arado: aH in the lecture :)
      Zen Arado: shows how much I remember :)
      Zen Arado: you remember desperate dan?
      Wol Euler: only as a name, I don't think I followed him
      Agatha Macbeth: Oh yes!
      Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
      Hokon Cazalet: lol
      Hokon Cazalet: Weeee! ^.^
      Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
      Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
      Agatha Macbeth: onigokko
      Hokon Cazalet: Yaaaaayyyyyyyy!
      Wol Euler laughs.
      Zen Arado: he used to eat cow pie :)
      Zen Arado: with a whole cow
      Agatha Macbeth: Me too :)
      Agatha Macbeth: stop
      Zen Arado: horns sticking out :)
      Agatha Macbeth: You or the cow?
      Agatha Macbeth: (Moooo)
      Zen Arado: careful :)
      Yakuzza Lethecus: sleep well everyone :)
      Hokon Cazalet: goodnight yakuzza =)
      Zen Arado: nite Yaku
      Agatha Macbeth: Schlaf gut Yaku :)
      Wol Euler: bye yaku
      Zen Arado: we were talking about doing an art project earlier at Eden's meeting
      Agatha Macbeth: Whoa
      Zen Arado: can you do sculpties Wol?
      Wol Euler: no
      Agatha Macbeth: (She's asleep)
      Zen Arado: :)
      Wol Euler: not ones that look like acceptable anyway
      Agatha Macbeth: What are sculpties?
      Wol Euler: a particular kind of prim, freeform shapes
      Agatha Macbeth: Hm
      Wol Euler: your boots, for example, are largely made of sculpties
      Zen Arado: I went to a lecture once but the girl lost me after 5 mins
      Agatha Macbeth: Oh, wow
      Zen Arado: you have to buy a program to start
      Agatha Macbeth: Typical
      Wol Euler: well, there are frree alternatives
      Zen Arado: oh?
      Wol Euler: the wiki page on sculpties has a list
      Zen Arado: ok might check that
      Zen Arado: thannks for info
      Wol Euler: yw
      Zen Arado: just need some time now
      Wol Euler: :)
      Zen Arado: and a lot of patience
      Agatha Macbeth: No such thing as time Zen :0
      Wol Euler: definitely the lattter
      Wol Euler: they are very tricky
      Zen Arado: time past, time future.
      Zen Arado: are all contained in....forget the rest
      Wol Euler: jam yesterday and jam tomorrow
      Agatha Macbeth: 'Where are all times past gone?'
      Zen Arado: time present?
      Zen Arado: it was always now as Eckhart Tolle says
      Agatha Macbeth: Well he would
      Zen Arado: or he wouldn't be able to sell his book
      Zen Arado: :)
      Wol Euler: :)
      Hokon Cazalet: hehe
      Zen Arado: it is true though
      Zen Arado: neither past or future exist
      Zen Arado: only in memories ot projections
      Hokon Cazalet: brb people came in
      Zen Arado: how did your guardian session go Aga?
      Agatha Macbeth: Well for the most part ok
      Agatha Macbeth: Not too terrifying
      Zen Arado: you posted the log ok?
      Agatha Macbeth: Yep
      Wol Euler readies a cushion just in case
      Agatha Macbeth: With a little help from a friend :)
      Wol Euler grins.
      Zen Arado: good
      Agatha Macbeth: It was a long session too, two hours
      Agatha Macbeth: with just the four of us
      Zen Arado: I'm lucky if anyone turns up :)
      Agatha Macbeth: And then stev pointed me to the PaB chronicles
      Agatha Macbeth: Steve even
      Agatha Macbeth: And was reading them till 6am!!
      Zen Arado: hefty tomes
      Zen Arado: full of wisdom
      Agatha Macbeth: I went to bed in broad daylight
      Agatha Macbeth: And got up again at noon
      Agatha Macbeth: Then edited my log...
      Wol Euler: :)
      Agatha Macbeth: lost track of time
      Agatha Macbeth: and missed the bloody Guardian session
      Agatha Macbeth: :(
      Agatha Macbeth: Which reminds me, I need to read up what happened
      Zen Arado: we talked about art proect near the end
      Zen Arado: project
      Agatha Macbeth: Is that Eden's thing?
      Zen Arado: Bleu started it
      Agatha Macbeth: Oh Bleu, right
      Agatha Macbeth: I must find out more about it
      Zen Arado: just thinking atm
      Zen Arado: just ideas
      Agatha Macbeth: I hear the cogs....
      Zen Arado: need oiled...
      Zen Arado: mine anyway
      Agatha Macbeth: :)
      Agatha Macbeth: Thou sayest it ;-)
      Zen Arado: hmmm got an invite to an OU poetry reading
      Agatha Macbeth: ooh, sounds good!
      Zen Arado: think I'll go
      Zen Arado: want a TP ?
      Agatha Macbeth: It's on now then?
      Zen Arado: it says now
      Agatha Macbeth: Aha
      Agatha Macbeth: Nite Zen
      Zen Arado: nite all
      Wol Euler: goodnight zen, take care
      Wol Euler: I should get to bed, I'm fading fast
      Zen Arado: IM me if you decide you want to come
      Agatha Macbeth: Sweet dreams Wol :))
      Zen Arado: bye
      Wol Euler: goodngiht aggers, take care
      Agatha Macbeth: Bye Hokon, sorry to leave you all alone....
      Wol Euler: bye hokon, when you wake up ;.)

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