2010.03.24 13:00 - The path, not the Destination

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Fefonz Quan. The comments are by Fefonz Quan.

    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Susi :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I am having trouble with SL but cam eanyway, sorry if I am slow
    Susi Alcott: ah; same here
    Susi Alcott: SL has been very laggy
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Fefonz
    Susi Alcott: Hello Fefonz, Qt and LIza
    Qt Core: hi all
    Liza Deischer: hi everyone
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Liza
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Qt
    Fefonz Quan: Hi SophiaSharon, hi Qt, Liza, Susi
    SophiaSharon Larnia was just wondering how to move to make us symmetrical :)
    Qt Core: ;-)
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Liza Deischer: sitting next to each other is easier for getting everyone in the sight of the camera
    Fefonz Quan: then you found out you didn't need to go anywhere :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Calvino
    Liza Deischer: hi Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi, ssl, liza
    Susi Alcott: Hi Cal
    Qt Core: hi Calvino
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
    Calvino Rabeni: susi
    Fefonz Quan: Hi Calvino
    Fefonz Quan: Has someone thought about anything regarding the practice or other PaB related topics?
    Susi Alcott: brb
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not really, but I did realize something the other day
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and am not sure appropriate it is to say here, but I honestly don't mind anymore
    Fefonz Quan: yes please do
    Qt Core: tell please
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I have been in a somewhat unhappy situation in my life, and saw that I was using meditative practice to tolerate it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in the sense that I was practicing patience etc
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the idea that there was swomething to be learn from it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oops sorry never noticed the bell
    Fefonz Quan: well its ok now :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: this applies to the 9 sec stops also
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Eliza
    Fefonz Quan: (hi Eliza)
    Liza Deischer: I'm so glad you're telling this :-)
    Liza Deischer: hi eliza
    Susi Alcott: hi Eliza
    Fefonz Quan: what applies to the 9 sec too?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi :) I'm just waiting on a cushion to appear and listening intently :)
    Susi Alcott: Hi Bhang
    Liza Deischer: hi Bhang
    Bhang Tyran: namaste everyone
    Liza Deischer: you can use meditation in different ways
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Bhang
    Fefonz Quan: hello Bhang
    Qt Core: hi Bhang, Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Bhang
    Liza Deischer: but it is not meant to learn to tolerate situations
    Bhang Tyran: hello Eliza
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the 9 sec practice is done everywhere, but i was using it as a set up for a lesson to be learned, something to realize or learn from the experience
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods at Liza
    Fefonz Quan: I not totally agree with liza
    Fefonz Quan: don't*
    Liza Deischer: tolerating something is different then accepting it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, inever accepting it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i never accepted*
    Fefonz Quan nods.
    Liza Deischer: toleration keeps you in the situation, acceptance can change something
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes!
    Liza Deischer: it can make you choose a different situation, or it can make you change inside
    Liza Deischer: most of the times both :-)
    Fefonz Quan: and it can also make you face the situation, instead of running away from it
    Liza Deischer: yes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Bleu
    Fefonz Quan: hi Bleu
    Liza Deischer: hi Bleu
    Bleu Oleander: hi everyone
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Fefonz, tha's what I had in mind to do
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
    Liza Deischer: that is an importan discovey Sharon
    Susi Alcott: Hi Bleu
    Bhang Tyran: hello bleu
    Fefonz Quan: I do believe there are things we can learn from the practice
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i didn't think it such, but will think about that
    Liza Deischer: sue
    Liza Deischer: sure
    Fefonz Quan: but maybe this 'learning' is in some sense a by product
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Liza Deischer: in fact there is no goal in meditation
    Fefonz Quan: since the thought 'I need to learn something new here today' can be an obstacle for the practice itself
    Liza Deischer: if there is one, it is to open yourself, getting more aware
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Liza Deischer: very much so
    Liza Deischer: and becoming more aware doesn;t tell us anything about the outcome
    Calvino Rabeni: there are many special purpose meditation methods for achieving specific effects
    Liza Deischer: yes, there are
    Calvino Rabeni: but open awareness could be used for anything
    Fefonz Quan: sometimes getting more aware that in a certain situation, we are not open, accepting and encompassing as we might expect ourselves to be
    Bhang Tyran: its possible to learn anytime you want its recognizing that an ide is new to you
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes Fefonz, this realization is rather ugly
    Eliza Madrigal: yes...just seeing is awareness at play, too
    Fefonz Quan: sorrt if i sounded un polite...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :))
    Liza Deischer: right Bang, you don't need to sit down to learn
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no, Fefonz, I meant you are right
    Fefonz Quan nods
    Susi Alcott: starpower
    Fefonz Quan: One buddhist master once said, that when what you found in meditation makes you cry, that's when the practice really begins
    Susi Alcott: sry; couldn't help myself...feeling all to radiate like that...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Bhang Tyran: thats really heavy fefonz
    Fefonz Quan: well, can be liberating as well i'd say
    Calvino Rabeni: cry or vibrate or move energy, is that what is referred to?
    Calvino Rabeni: Or is it based on the insight achieved?
    Susi Alcott: that is more than normal happening also when one recieves healing ...
    Fefonz Quan: expecting yourself to be pure and innocent all the time can be as heavy
    Calvino Rabeni: Your meditation becomes transformative of the emotional bodies
    Susi Alcott: sry Eliza I have not yet found any short answer to you qustion you made to me
    Bhang Tyran: i heard that expectation is is the best way to be let down i hve found that to be true
    Susi Alcott: agree 130 %
    Liza Deischer: I make that 131%
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Bhang Tyran: no expectations no dissapointment no spped bumps in life
    Bhang Tyran: speed*
    Susi Alcott: to get free; to heal; by meditation or healing ...anyway...that is 'to give up'...that mostly helps the cry to rise
    Fefonz Quan nods
    Calvino Rabeni: Yawning is good too :)
    Susi Alcott: smiles widely
    Liza Deischer: not longer living between hope and dispaer
    Bhang Tyran: whats that sayin "to assume makes an ass out of both parties"
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Bhang Tyran: are you familier with the story of temple grandin?
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Susi Alcott: no
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: good inspiration
    Fefonz Quan: no
    Susi Alcott: would U tell it ?
    Bhang Tyran: she was or is an autistic woman who overcame the compulsions caused by her condition
    Bhang Tyran: she thought in pictures
    Bhang Tyran: and it wasnt until others got this fact that she was excepted s genius
    Calvino Rabeni: To me the inspiring thing is she opened up a whole world - the internal world of autism - to a way that the rest of the world could see inside
    Bhang Tyran: she thought in pictures
    Bhang Tyran: she wasnt able to associate with other people because she did not understnd the subtle communications between people
    Calvino Rabeni: And as a related effect she created a greater allowance for diversity in the way different people "are" in the world
    Bhang Tyran: very interesting story
    Calvino Rabeni: Subjectivity is richer and more varied than usually considered
    Liza Deischer: :-) yes
    Calvino Rabeni: temple grandin bridged a great divide
    Bhang Tyran: it was others inability to understand her that caused her problems
    Calvino Rabeni: with a power of intent and creativity and heart
    Liza Deischer: it is hard to look at someone outside your own boundaries
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Liza Deischer: most of the time we are not able to see what we don't understand
    Fefonz Quan: or to see how our concepts define our world
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Temple is reminiscent of Helen Keller - who overcame a lot, to become a public source of wisdom, with courage to be "different"
    Liza Deischer: thinking that what we see and experience is the only way
    Liza Deischer: the only world that exists
    Bhang Tyran: now the keller story is amazing
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Bhang Tyran: to close off the outside world of senses is the only way to experience TRUE reality
    SophiaSharon Larnia: what's reality
    Fefonz Quan: why closeing off?
    Calvino Rabeni: Or to completly open to the outside world :)
    Liza Deischer: I'm not sure Bhang
    Calvino Rabeni: The problem is, playing favorites and dividing things up
    Fefonz Quan nods to calvino
    Qt Core: need to go, bye all
    Liza Deischer: bye QT
    Fefonz Quan: bye Qt
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Qt
    Bhang Tyran: bye qt
    Bleu Oleander: bye Qt
    Bhang Tyran: because what we see is not all thats there and senses only give us what we cn handle
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I have to go to, bye all :))
    Liza Deischer: it is part of th reality as we experience it now
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Sophia
    Liza Deischer: bye Sharon
    Liza Deischer: and because of that our starting point in our experiences
    Fefonz Quan: bye Sophia, thanks for your sharing!
    Arisia Vita: Hi all
    Liza Deischer: hi Arisia
    Susi Alcott: Hi Ari
    Fefonz Quan: hi Ari
    Bhang Tyran: the external and the internal are still not the whole truth
    Bhang Tyran: neither am i hahaha
    Fefonz Quan: mostly not when you define between them, i guess :)
    Bhang Tyran: the 5 senses are only rough translations of whats relly there and by pushing aside the 5 you get the 6th
    Liza Deischer: I guess you are right Bhang, but actually I only know where to start, not where it 'ends' :-)
    Susi Alcott: does it end somewhere ?
    Bhang Tyran: same as anyone else liza hahaha
    Liza Deischer: don't know, don't think so
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: also think that such that is all the time growing and changing, cannot end anywhere
    Liza Deischer: I agree Susi
    Susi Alcott: we had one such president that said one wise sentence;
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Apologies everyone... obviously was afk... phone call
    Susi Alcott: "the issue is not the goal, but the movement"
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Susi Alcott: starpower
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: WOW
    Bhang Tyran: yeah the path not the destination
    Liza Deischer: path, oh, I like that word :-)
    Arisia Vita: Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bhang Tyran: word
    Liza Deischer: if youare able to do so
    Bhang Tyran: be a trail blazer woo woo
    Bleu Oleander: bfn, wonderful session today, thank you all :)
    Susi Alcott: occures to my mind one such test that people who knew it took it to be very childish
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Bleu
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bleu :) Thanks
    Fefonz Quan: Goood night all, and thanks for this session
    Liza Deischer: bye Fonz
    Liza Deischer: bi Bleu
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Fef, thanks oo :)
    Fefonz Quan: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: but wich I've found to be very realistic
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Fef
    Arisia Vita: be well and happy Fef
    Liza Deischer: In the end, you need too, at least I think
    Liza Deischer: but again :-) I just don;t know
    Bhang Tyran: what test susi?
    Susi Alcott: well; that's in a way a test how one's subconciousness sees one's this incarnation's arch
    Susi Alcott: just that it can be used only once in once life, because it's ment to happen so that one dont know the meaning of the 'story'
    Susi Alcott: but if somebody likes, I can tell it
    Susi Alcott: and explane it in personal note card
    Bhang Tyran: i love stories i bet you know some goodin's
    Susi Alcott: after one has made one's own 'story'
    Eliza Madrigal: (btw Love the blue hair Liza) ;-)
    Susi Alcott: well...that test is to create a story quickly, based on advises
    Liza Deischer: (thanks eliza)
    Bhang Tyran: to sum up ones own life b4 its over?
    Susi Alcott: yes
    Bhang Tyran: wow better write good ending hahaha
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Susi Alcott: well; that's the point....one cannot know how to write when dont know the meaning of the symbols
    Liza Deischer: I'm lost
    Liza Deischer: (as most of the time :-))
    Susi Alcott: well; as there is this karma...that is written to each one's own spirit...
    Eliza Madrigal smiles @ Liza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
    Bhang Tyran: ive been really contemplating the idea of karma lately and am not sure if i really buy into it anymore. cause i had an idea thats maybe conflicting
    Eliza Madrigal: there is a quote I like "the foolish are trapped by karma and the wise are liberated by karma'... so I suppose it makes such sense to impose the word 'stories' there, too
    Susi Alcott: Hi Yaku
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ya :)
    Eliza Madrigal: what's your idea Bhang?
    Liza Deischer: hi yaku
    Susi Alcott: ah yes; as that 'play test' sure is to more see oneself than any prediction
    Susi Alcott: as sure karma is only a plan
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    arabella Ella: Hiya so sorry i am late :)
    Susi Alcott: Hi ara
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Ara :) We're just beginning to talk about karma I think... and stories
    arabella Ella: oh great
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi Ara - we were just getting started :)
    arabella Ella: am looking forward to EU time being in synch with US time!
    Eliza Madrigal: yes me too
    Susi Alcott: and...well...I donno any such that bad karma...sure that's my belief that all spirits creates good plan for the life time
    Susi Alcott: and for Fale's question; "What is normal life", I answered that it's such life that one's karma comes true
    Eliza Madrigal: there seems to come a 'problem' when people are legalistic about the idea of karma... thinking that they understand direct connections ie this=that?
    Liza Deischer: hi Ara (she said a bit late)
    Calvino Rabeni: true
    Susi Alcott: well; people get many obsessons...for many things....
    Eliza Madrigal: yes :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I have a feeling I've forgotten something
    Eliza Madrigal: i've seen people very harsh on themselves with it though... is a bit heartbreaking
    Eliza Madrigal: Right now or in general, Cal ? :))
    Calvino Rabeni: Now
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm
    Susi Alcott: when I met such much, that made me to think how could the truth of karma been told better
    Liza Deischer: oh, I so agree with you Eliza
    Liza Deischer: but that is actually thinking about karma in a western way
    Susi Alcott: long time ago in Hikari meeting, there was cration of such sentence
    Eliza Madrigal nods @ Liza... yes I can see that!
    Liza Deischer: in a analyzing, and guiltful way
    Susi Alcott: it's there for anybody to get; I dont recall that exactly, but all felt more than good reading it
    Susi Alcott: one of them Golden Sentences
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Now I'm trying to remember ... I have forgotten - i think it is ... what it is like to not have the obsession that things are "this way"
    Susi Alcott: sadly all can be used to create guilt; thankfully all can also been used to free from such
    Eliza Madrigal: yes its a kind of untangling
    arabella Ella: apologies ... crashed ... ouch!!!!
    Liza Deischer: yes Susi
    Eliza Madrigal: even thinking that things are 'this way' is a tangle...?
    Eliza Madrigal: Wb Ara :)
    Susi Alcott: wb ara
    Liza Deischer: wb ara
    Calvino Rabeni: yes
    Susi Alcott: hm...thinking that we are 'players as being', might that test be only fun to such kind of people...
    Eliza Madrigal: well maybe it does require a certain daring that comes from thinking playfully and at least entertaining ideas of dropping conceptions "to see what you are"
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Ah, could it be the amount of pain people carry ? An open awareness will encounter pain as easily as bliss
    Susi Alcott: so I take I could tell that how to do it ?
    Liza Deischer: it's okay with me
    Eliza Madrigal: mmm, nods
    Susi Alcott: wb Bha
    Eliza Madrigal: WB Bhang
    Bhang Tyran: hi hahaha
    Liza Deischer: wb bhang
    Susi Alcott: well; I seem to have still huge chat lag, but I'de like to try to give the base there is
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    Susi Alcott: and yes; all is to do in mind
    arabella Ella: please say more Susi
    Susi Alcott: 1 think a forest
    Susi Alcott: what kind of trees/plants there are in your own forest
    Yakuzza Lethecus sneaks in the the village
    Susi Alcott: ah yes; and sure to tell that to oneself
    arabella Ella: cya Yaku
    Susi Alcott: then to draw paths or not
    Eliza Madrigal hears her feet crunching sticks and leaves
    Susi Alcott: then start the walk into the forest and see the path even if there was not such as own drawing
    arabella Ella imagines the redwoods i once walked through in CA
    Susi Alcott: then to find an empty can; old meat can
    Bhang Tyran: columbia river george
    Susi Alcott: then to see what one does to that can
    arabella Ella: does it have to be meat? or simply a can of anything?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bhang Tyran: hahha
    Susi Alcott: dirty, used can....not very 'calling'
    Calvino Rabeni: Beer can, typically
    Bhang Tyran: the imaginary indian inside me is crying lol
    arabella Ella: yea beer can sounds better to me ... kicks it like a soccer ball ... to and fro
    Calvino Rabeni: With bullet holes
    Susi Alcott: the next step is to go foreward in the forest and come to the fence
    Bhang Tyran: old wooden fence?
    Susi Alcott: one needs to see what kind of the fence is
    arabella Ella: may i climb over the old wooden fence?
    Susi Alcott: pls...there is so much turth within this, as I've learned that in tens of years
    Eliza Madrigal picks up the can and puts it in her bag... walks to a small, uneven fence with peeling paint...
    Susi Alcott: so...pls let you each one 'draw' your one fence too
    Bhang Tyran: good eliza
    Liza Deischer: (give the man some space)
    Susi Alcott: then we come to the 'last step' of this 'test'
    arabella Ella: ok
    Susi Alcott: the question is ;
    Susi Alcott: what's there after the fence
    Bhang Tyran: ooooooo
    arabella Ella: a slope ... slopes gently down to a fresh water stream ...
    Bhang Tyran: i see an old farmhouse
    Eliza Madrigal: a cliff and the sea...
    Calvino Rabeni: A quarry
    Susi Alcott: ok; here comes the explonation...which I hope that who reads this from blog, reads after the mind play if wanted to play genuinly
    arabella Ella: tiny tadpoles in the stream
    arabella Ella: and mossey stones to step on to cross the stream
    Eliza Madrigal: strong breezes.... have to pull my hair back since it is whipping my face...
    Susi Alcott: so; the forest tells what kind of people one has as friends
    arabella Ella: ah ... so are you gonna interpret what each of us said?
    Susi Alcott: also how one sees the world; own attitude to it
    Calvino Rabeni: Loggers and miners then, I suppose :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: treasure hunters maybe Cal
    Susi Alcott: ah no; that's up to yourselves
    Calvino Rabeni: right
    arabella Ella: i would need some help to interpret mine
    Bhang Tyran: interesting thought experiment susi
    Calvino Rabeni: yes, thanks
    Susi Alcott: sure; like I said; no prediction or fact; play with much truth within
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, so you mean if the forest is dense or spacious? or tall or shrubby?
    Liza Deischer: (he didn;t finished yet... i hope)
    Susi Alcott: ah; sure I can help a bit with that too
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    arabella Ella: yes please!
    arabella Ella feels at a bit of a loss to interpret what I saw
    Susi Alcott: so; the stronger trees, the stronger friends
    arabella Ella: ah
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice for Ara! :)
    arabella Ella smiles
    Susi Alcott: if much grass; huge much people who takes them to be friends, but one has not time enough
    Susi Alcott: much flowers; much joyfull friends
    Calvino Rabeni: And if lots of hills, or cliffs as some of us had?
    Eliza Madrigal felt wrapped and tiny walking through her forest
    Susi Alcott: and yes; the paths; if one draws much, one has been teached many ways
    arabella Ella: what about simply brown debris from the trees on the ground? (since the trees are so big nothing grows beneath)
    Susi Alcott: if to walk them; one 'follows the orders'
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Susi Alcott: if creates own; one is to been followed
    Susi Alcott: the less paths sure tells more of the open mind 'always'
    arabella Ella: and the beer can?
    Susi Alcott: and less grass and flowers makes strong band with all friends
    Eliza Madrigal saw light paths... some covered...
    Susi Alcott: tells about awareness of own path
    Susi Alcott: and the shelter one has
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, surprising about the flowers
    Susi Alcott: well; can imaging much amireres to you :)
    Calvino Rabeni: It was a recording of the forest near my house
    Susi Alcott: people who would want to be a flower in your garden = life
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah
    arabella Ella: the can?
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    arabella Ella: please go on?
    Susi Alcott: ok
    arabella Ella: (apologies for my impatience)
    Susi Alcott: that is the husband/wife and how one treates him/her
    Susi Alcott: dont worry
    arabella Ella giggles
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Susi Alcott: the fenc tells how one deals with problems in once life
    arabella Ella: good thing perhaps that i was the only one to say in public what i did with the can
    Susi Alcott: grins
    Eliza Madrigal giggles but reminds Ara that she threw hers in a bag
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    arabella Ella: ah ... yes ... good move there Eliza :)
    Susi Alcott: that's to support
    arabella Ella: i nearly said i then put it in a trash can :)
    Susi Alcott: fully
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, well that was nice of me then
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Calvino Rabeni: In RL I also pick the garbage up to clean up
    Eliza Madrigal: yes
    arabella Ella: i sometimes do so too Calvino
    Eliza Madrigal: I had intented to take it home and make art from it
    Calvino Rabeni: Once I got a whole truck full :)
    arabella Ella smiles
    arabella Ella is enjoying this voyage
    arabella Ella: and what about beyond the fence Susi?
    Susi Alcott: so; the question is the answer what one has planned to come to life after the 'final fight' with oneself ; enlightening
    Susi Alcott: as that is what one sees after the fence
    arabella Ella still wonders how to interpret it?
    arabella Ella wonders what the symbols mean
    Eliza Madrigal 's view was limitless... expansive... ocean no ending, sky no ceiling....
    Susi Alcott: by letting things to rise freely from one's own heart/mind
    Bhang Tyran: forest ,can , fence
    Eliza Madrigal: wrapped in space... think play as being is having an effect... hhehehe
    arabella Ella: seems like it is Eliza
    arabella Ella feels that mine seems to be a paradox between ease and struggle
    Susi Alcott: well; when things rises freely, they are not effected by anything, and one can feel that when that happenes
    Susi Alcott: as that is own wishes; own plan; own karma that one has planned to come true
    Susi Alcott: limitless sure is full enlightening
    Eliza Madrigal: planned karma... interesting phrase
    arabella Ella: wow brilliant Eliza!
    Bhang Tyran: the idea is to not force the images and to let the mind bring them to your attention without forcing them right?
    Susi Alcott: each spirit creates a plan to each incrnation
    Liza Deischer: I didn't see anything, just.....light I guess
    Susi Alcott: how many people one's life is planned to touch; as many other spirits there are planning this karma then also
    Eliza Madrigal feels she's taken a walk with everyone
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes
    arabella Ella: yes me too
    arabella Ella: lovely experience
    Susi Alcott: cannot take light to be anything less that the enlightening; expanding one's mind to understand oneself and one's own path and it's meaning, own connections and understanding of all of this to grow
    Susi Alcott: well; we have met, so we have touched each other....
    arabella Ella: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: what a nice experience, yes. Thanks Susi... this is a little like sally-ing :)
    Susi Alcott: so we all are creators also each other's karma
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    arabella Ella: may i ask for help in interpreting my last part ... beyond the fence ... please?
    Susi Alcott: each one sure has also the right to cut created karmalines
    Liza Deischer: we are connected
    arabella Ella: i saw a slope and a stream with stones with moss and tadpoles
    Susi Alcott: or make them stronger with other's acceptance
    Susi Alcott: (need the dictionary again)
    Calvino Rabeni: a baby frog
    Bhang Tyran: sounds like progress and life growing arabella
    arabella Ella: tell me what you dont understand
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    arabella Ella: ah ... interesting ... thanks!
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, Bhang... yes that does make sense.... movement and life... tiny details...
    Bhang Tyran: potential
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes :) Potential!
    Bhang Tyran: XD
    Eliza Madrigal: energy
    Calvino Rabeni: tadpoles are very generative and also secret
    arabella Ella: yes they involve metamorphisis
    Susi Alcott: agree 130 % with Bhang
    Calvino Rabeni: they are pre-transformation and pre-emergence
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    arabella Ella: ah ... thanks ... wow
    Bhang Tyran: hahaha
    Calvino Rabeni: and usually in great number - representing effulgence of life
    Bhang Tyran: welcome
    Susi Alcott: everything in nature 'tells' only good things, even one might take the being to look ugly
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal thinks of the hairless cat
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Susi Alcott: to examine the nature/base of each being brings the insight
    arabella Ella: a hairless cat?
    Eliza Madrigal: http://www.google.com/search?q=hairl...rlz=1I7DKUS_en
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe... sorry.... so ugly that its cute.... actually a wonderful pet for kids with allergies :)
    arabella Ella: owwww poor things they must feel so cold in winter though!
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, definitely needs a sweater and snuggling
    Liza Deischer: thank you Susi and thank you all for a good discusscion
    Liza Deischer: I need to go
    Eliza Madrigal waves to Liza
    arabella Ella: yes ... like the present craze with pooches to wear stuff like their owner ... coordinates!
    arabella Ella: nite Liza take care!
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Liza
    Bhang Tyran: bye bye liza
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehee...yes my neighborhood was full of women with dogs in purses a year or so ago
    Eliza Madrigal: Anyway, sorry to distract... I have loved this conversation and winding walk
    Bhang Tyran: rediculouse trend
    arabella Ella: yes it has only recently caught on here ... we always taken on these crazes a bit later than others ... global village syndrome
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Bhang Tyran: why cant self realization become a fad its much better than tiny dogs lol
    Eliza Madrigal: !!!
    arabella Ella: or conflict resolution Bhang
    Bhang Tyran: right
    Eliza Madrigal: Someone yesterday used the phrase 'full rezzation" hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: Bhang, we did ask if you mind being recorded right? I was afk earlier... want to make sure
    Bhang Tyran: i have no issues with it good conversations should be recorded
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Thank you. Great
    Bhang Tyran: i like this place much better etiquete
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bhang Tyran: not so much griping at others ideas
    Bhang Tyran: real open talks
    Eliza Madrigal: I think that might be what has drawn many of us... not here to argue but to share
    arabella Ella: yes ... and the way i see it we respect and trust each other too ... built up over time of course
    Eliza Madrigal: yes there is a sense of trust
    Bhang Tyran: well i hope not to break that hahaha
    Eliza Madrigal: heeheh
    Eliza Madrigal: I wonder if there are others of these 'karma tests'... or about doing this in other sessions in an open ended way... was really great...
    Eliza Madrigal: like the session when we wrote the story about the guy with one shoe, Ara...
    Eliza Madrigal: fun
    arabella Ella: we could easily create others ... like the beach or a railway station or anything else really, a park, etc
    arabella Ella: oh yes the story was brilliant i remember it well Eliza
    Calvino Rabeni: group creations are fun to do aren't they
    Eliza Madrigal smiles widely
    Eliza Madrigal: very!
    arabella Ella: definitely!
    Bhang Tyran: is that part of what you do hear create stories?
    Bhang Tyran: *here
    Calvino Rabeni: maybe not always consciously
    Bhang Tyran: there is a interesting theory about that too
    Eliza Madrigal: Well, it seems something we might do more... but generally, we gather to talk about the nature of reality and do explorations which bring that hm... sense into our daily lives... share
    Eliza Madrigal: explorations like the 9 second pauses... a way of weaving ... silence/sharing/working/dreaming, etc
    Bhang Tyran: that to imagine is not to pretend but to create alternate realities and the more minds concieve the same thing the more real it becomes
    Eliza Madrigal: mmmm
    Calvino Rabeni: there is that, yes
    Eliza Madrigal: an interesting idea...
    Bhang Tyran: like whirled pease
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Susi Alcott: ah yes; thoughts are energy
    Eliza Madrigal: hm
    Calvino Rabeni: We're also imagining this reality into "more"
    Bhang Tyran: power of inention
    Eliza Madrigal: playing in/and being a responsive universe
    Bhang Tyran: yes
    Bhang Tyran: !!!
    Bhang Tyran: we mutually create eachothers worlds
    Eliza Madrigal: Some of our group attended a retreat together Bhang... explored group meditations which are a bit similar to what we've explored so playfully today... spilled into rl from dreams ....
    Eliza Madrigal: Ara was there... so fascinating
    arabella Ella: yes it was an incredible experience!
    Bhang Tyran: no doubt : )
    Eliza Madrigal: I've always thought it 'possible' and to 'make sense' but hm... surprising anyway
    arabella Ella: there are quite a few chat logs on the wiki with our experiences
    Bhang Tyran: i need to look at those can i google search for "play as being" ?
    Eliza Madrigal: such an interesting way of chatting , Bhang... love the little keyboard
    Bhang Tyran: hahaha ty
    Eliza Madrigal: Let me give you a link to our wiki
    Eliza Madrigal: http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_Theme_Sessions
    Bhang Tyran: i took an oath of silence i guess its kinda cheating
    Eliza Madrigal: This page will have the full "Malta Retreat" accounts
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha!
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes! It is
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    arabella Ella smiles
    arabella Ella: it brings back so many lovely memories ... and anticipation for the next ones too!
    Eliza Madrigal: How long is your oath, Bhang?
    Bhang Tyran: im really into visualizing the time/space stuff makes my head hurt but in a good way hahaha
    Eliza Madrigal wonders if one avatar takes an oath if another can talk... hehehe
    Bhang Tyran: as long s i have this keyboard
    Eliza Madrigal: I'd better get going...
    Eliza Madrigal: I have really enjoyed this session, Thanks Everyone.
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to meet you, Bhang
    Bhang Tyran: yes thank you very much
    arabella Ella: lovely to see you Eliza, bye for now, take care!
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Eliza
    Bhang Tyran: im gonna jet out aswell
    Eliza Madrigal waves
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Bhang
    arabella Ella: nice meeting you Bhang, hope to cya again!
    Bhang Tyran: it has been iluminating
    arabella Ella: :)
    Bhang Tyran: namaste
    arabella Ella: I must be off too, bye and thanks!
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_ ara
    Calvino Rabeni: sorry, phone called
    Calvino Rabeni: gtg, bye susi
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
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