2010.03.24 19:00 - Honor and suffering

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    The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

    I arrived with Archmage Atlantis and his new guest, Blonde Starsmith sitting quietly. Susi Alcott arrived and the group began to talk....

    Susi Alcott: good morning/evening Blonde, Arch and steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Susi, I am rezzing, can;t see much ATM
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    stevenaia Michinaga: you are up late
    stevenaia Michinaga: or early
    Susi Alcott: can play to be your eyes; the pavilion is just as it's been a while :)
    Susi Alcott: this time it might be more to say that late
    stevenaia Michinaga: well I do see this
    stevenaia Michinaga: have you been here before Blonde?
    stevenaia Michinaga: *here
    Blonde Starsmith: sorry, no I have not
    stevenaia Michinaga: smiles, was that a sneeze Susi?
    Susi Alcott: ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: your burst of "things"
    stevenaia Michinaga: the animation coming from you from time to time
    Susi Alcott: hm...in that earlier meeting ?
    Susi Alcott: grins
    Susi Alcott: starpower
    stevenaia Michinaga: no just a moment ago, an SL "sneeze"
    stevenaia Michinaga: that
    Susi Alcott: hm
    Susi Alcott: might I not know about that...
    stevenaia Michinaga: well it appears to be random and interesting, how are you Arch?
    Susi Alcott: as I dont have any animation...but this star burst...
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, that is what I mean
    Susi Alcott: or poofer...donno exactly how it's called
    stevenaia Michinaga: now that it;s spring has the snow melted?
    Susi Alcott: well; not here in Finland
    Blonde Starsmith: Snow only in mountains here in California
    Susi Alcott: ah yes; that poofer is stars and some other kind of particles; also a present from a friend
    Archmage Atlantis: how am i?
    stevenaia Michinaga: have you been here before Blonde?
    Blonde Starsmith: No
    stevenaia Michinaga: we record our conversations and post them to our wiki, is it ok if we include your comments?
    Blonde Starsmith: surely
    stevenaia Michinaga: thank you, what( or who) brought you here this day?
    Blonde Starsmith: Arch asked me to come
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes Arch, how are you?
    Archmage Atlantis: If a friend dies in one's arms, if a young person dies without our care
    Archmage Atlantis: How should I be?
    stevenaia Michinaga: a sign of love in the first case
    stevenaia Michinaga: the second, I have no answers
    stevenaia Michinaga: If you believe in reincarnations, there are other ways of thinking about a lossed one
    Susi Alcott: feels need to ask for this 'if', if you speak about something that has happened or something that could happen
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Calvino
    Susi Alcott: Hi Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: Hi everyone!
    Blonde Starsmith: one is never lost... one just changes its relationship to the whole
    Susi Alcott: ah yes; claiming that I know of the eternal life to spirit and of reincarnating, I'd take it to be honor if a friend would die on one's arms
    Susi Alcott: but sure would feel very bad when somebody dies cuz nobody has cared, and would wish him/her to get much better life in his/her next incarnation
    Susi Alcott: but I think that still people do die for that reason ...
    Archmage Atlantis: Does honor come without suffering?
    Blonde Starsmith: but if it that person's path to die so that you may learn caring, then the one gets progression and you receive learning
    Susi Alcott: that I don not know, but as I also believe in choice when it comes to death, that is the reason that I'd feel honored to escort one to step foreword
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods
    stevenaia Michinaga: that is a very nice outlook
    Susi Alcott: yet; that is not to anybody else to say how you should be in either cases
    Susi Alcott: so...would you please answer to steves question how are you ?
    Archmage Atlantis: Dl any of you know the story of the taino?
    Susi Alcott: would also want to hear if you speak of option or true happening
    stevenaia Michinaga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ta%C3%ADno
    Susi Alcott: you sure are also entitled to not-to-care of our questions and not to answer in that case
    Blonde Starsmith: stevenaia, since I am new I do not know how this discussion is held
    Blonde Starsmith: or is it just stream of consciousness
    stevenaia Michinaga: usually one leads to another
    Blonde Starsmith: ahhh...
    stevenaia Michinaga: our intent is exploration
    stevenaia Michinaga: the nature of reality
    Blonde Starsmith: I can only answer questions or add to

    Blonde Starsmith moves the conversation to her thoughts for discussion and a lively conversation begins


    Blonde Starsmith: for my thoughts are centered on radiant acquiescence to the Creator
    stevenaia Michinaga: through discussion, and periodic meditation
    stevenaia Michinaga: can you explain, what that mean, Blonde?
    Blonde Starsmith: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: (a question)
    Blonde Starsmith: to live by the will of the Creator joyfully accepting all conditions of that path
    Blonde Starsmith: having no expectations of outcome
    stevenaia Michinaga: "Creator"?
    Blonde Starsmith: that's only a name... unknowable essence, God
    Blonde Starsmith: that which none of us can know
    Susi Alcott: you tell that knowing or assuming ?
    Blonde Starsmith: that is my truth
    Blonde Starsmith: all that we need to know is already inside us
    Susi Alcott: so; if I may ask; how come you can then know if your thoughts are centered on the Creator ?
    Blonde Starsmith: that is my truth
    Susi Alcott: so that is your belief imho
    Blonde Starsmith: I have sought and examined and mediated and prayed ... finally following synchronicities and symbols and I found that I knew what I needed to know the whole time
    Blonde Starsmith: I once did not believe of a higher power... to my complete satisfaction, I was proven wrong
    stevenaia Michinaga: It does sound similar to what we do here, find what we know
    Blonde Starsmith: I am awake and aware
    stevenaia Michinaga: but we don;t seek a "Power"
    stevenaia Michinaga: sorry, i don't
    Blonde Starsmith: power?
    Susi Alcott: neither do I
    Calvino Rabeni: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: a hight power
    stevenaia Michinaga: *higher
    Blonde Starsmith: ahhh... even defining this unknowable things as a power... is impossible
    Blonde Starsmith: Creator is
    Susi Alcott: in case I seek something, that is that what's there for me to do or allowed to do, wanted or expected to do and such
    Blonde Starsmith: Universe was created out of love, We were created because we were loved, our purpose is to know and love the Creator
    Blonde Starsmith: all this is inside us, but first we must love ourselves
    Susi Alcott: when there is this Creator; why he/she would have the need to be loved, if his/her love has been able to create all out of his/her love ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I do believe in the power of love, but that is something we all can have
    stevenaia Michinaga: have to give as well
    Blonde Starsmith: this is your seeking. Independent investigation of the truth
    Susi Alcott: no
    Susi Alcott: I just disagree with you
    Blonde Starsmith: no one can answer those questions... except yourself
    Blonde Starsmith: I honor that
    Blonde Starsmith: your path to truth is different from mine... neither are good or bad.. just different
    Blonde Starsmith: and when all begin to honor the path of another there can be shring of knowledge between souls
    stevenaia Michinaga: and that is much of what we do here, agree, disagree, seek, learn about others, understand :)
    Archmage Atlantis: We know our own truth......
    Blonde Starsmith: I never argue. Only answer questions or add
    Archmage Atlantis: Cannot a creator create different beings with different truths
    Blonde Starsmith: It is not in me as see all things with honor
    Blonde Starsmith: Ultimately there is only one truth to be discovered. Oness of all things
    Susi Alcott: well; at least I cannot answer to the question what your meant creator can create or not
    Susi Alcott: I neither cannot understand oneness; how come there could be different thoughts; even opposite, if there would be only one ?
    Blonde Starsmith: oness does not disallow much diversity
    Blonde Starsmith: it is the glory of all things
    Blonde Starsmith: that create the whole
    Blonde Starsmith: brb... sorry
    Calvino Rabeni: If there were a creator of the animals and other beings, even those apparently ugly, would be the bearers of honorable messages
    stevenaia Michinaga: looked up oneness on Wikipidia, it was confused
    Archmage Atlantis: Anyone see tonight's game
    Blonde Starsmith: there is a great oneness that wiki may not be able to put into words
    Susi Alcott: well; then I must be blind
    Blonde Starsmith: it is that you find inside
    Susi Alcott: maybe because it's not true ?
    Blonde Starsmith: which cannot be defined
    Blonde Starsmith: you will have to seek that truth to your own satisfaction
    Susi Alcott: do I have to ?
    Calvino Rabeni: And a created avatar, such as Calvino or Archmage, must see the creation through the eyes of the creator, if there is none else
    stevenaia Michinaga: hmmm, was meditating on Oneness (seemed appropriate) I saw smallness, simplicity and completeness, not power and creation
    Blonde Starsmith: there are no "have to" things
    Blonde Starsmith: this is a world of free will
    Blonde Starsmith: the unifying factor amongst the diversity of the universe is love
    Archmage Atlantis: Waiting outside the ladies room, for the big revelation
    Susi Alcott: well...you told me that I have to....
    Susi Alcott: that's why I asked; wanted to be clear what you mean
    Blonde Starsmith: shall then then mence words... as I have no power over anything but myself
    Susi Alcott: well; I have no power even over myself :)
    Calvino Rabeni: @arch, i live in a media-free zone; if I want news I fire up an old motorcycle and ride it to the top of the hill; whereupon In an old cafe, I might finds words written in a second hand, rumpled newspaper
    Blonde Starsmith: then that is what your truth would be presently
    Archmage Atlantis: I really dislike when women and men do not realize the power they have...
    Blonde Starsmith: as I at one time felt that... and came to a different understanding
    Calvino Rabeni: "women and men"? different meaning than "people"?
    stevenaia Michinaga: many of us are a bit of both, Arch
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, we are different....as intersexed friends are different
    Susi Alcott: what kind of power you Arch feel people to have that they dont know about ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps the power not to take sides
    Archmage Atlantis: Do easy, yet so hard, love
    Susi Alcott: as I know only the power of working together
    Archmage Atlantis: That we are important to each other
    Archmage Atlantis: That we appreciate another's sacrifice
    Susi Alcott: I feel very bad when anybody must sacrifice
    Calvino Rabeni: No honor without sacrifice
    Calvino Rabeni: see - two different visions of honor?
    Archmage Atlantis: That we are something more than this existence
    Susi Alcott: but know that more than well that some people are forced to do so by some people
    Blonde Starsmith: that is there choice to be "forced"
    Calvino Rabeni: @susi, I feel bad when people are unable to or prevented from making any sacrifice, that is a sad state of affairs
    Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Susi....that is very true
    Archmage Atlantis: much of the time
    Susi Alcott: I can still honor the one who sacrifice, just that my belief is that such shouldn't happen
    Calvino Rabeni: There was a time I had that belief
    Archmage Atlantis: If one choses, then it should be honored
    Susi Alcott: on my own behalf I claim that I have sacrificed much just because I'm not got the help which was promised
    Archmage Atlantis: If one is forced, then it should not happen
    Susi Alcott: so; not anyway my own choice
    Archmage Atlantis: Ah
    Blonde Starsmith: may be that some choices where made in preexistence on this plan
    Calvino Rabeni: In involuntary sacrifice should not be called by that name - it is really a theft
    Archmage Atlantis: We all chose
    Blonde Starsmith: and I am not understanding what you term a sacrifice to be?
    Calvino Rabeni: The sacrifice being something freely given to a higher power
    Archmage Atlantis: Not the physical
    Susi Alcott: nobody lives alone, and nobody is rightful to choose for an other; so; in other words; I cannot choose for people who do effect to my life
    Calvino Rabeni: And it must be of some value, and be given voluntarily
    Archmage Atlantis: But the consequences of the choice
    Susi Alcott: to me it's that way voluntarily, that I have not forced anybody
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must go, but please continue
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_ steve
    Blonde Starsmith: Namaste
    Blonde Starsmith: The light within me honors the light within you
    Blonde Starsmith: May your path be of peace and enlightenment.
    Calvino Rabeni: Namaste also steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: come back soon Blonde
    Archmage Atlantis: I think it is time for us all to go....the hour is over
    Blonde Starsmith: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: I'd like to leave with a rumi poem
    Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and Namaste
    Calvino Rabeni:

    You must ask for what you really want. Don't go back to sleep. People are going back and forth across the doorsill where the two worlds touch. The door is round and open. Don't go back to sleep. I would love to kiss you. The price of kissing is your life. Now my loving is running toward my life shouting, What a bargain, let's buy it.

    Archmage Atlantis: Pls Cal
    Blonde Starsmith: thank you for letting me attend
    Archmage Atlantis: Tis is the center of the new galaxy
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
    Calvino Rabeni: Susi
    Susi Alcott: yes ?
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Calvino Rabeni: Take care, see you later
    Susi Alcott: U 2
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