2010.03.28 19:00 - "Magic" in various disguises

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Calvino Rabeni. The comments are by Calvino Rabeni.


    Pila Mulligan: hi Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: Pila, good to see you
    Pila Mulligan: how are you?
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm well
    Calvino Rabeni: And you?
    Pila Mulligan: I am well also, thanks
    Pila Mulligan: the cushions here seemed to take quite a while to rez
    Calvino Rabeni: I've heard people say that , although today they were quick for me
    Pila Mulligan: I read where you went to Princeton ,,, did you have a good time?
    Pila Mulligan: hi Susi
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I was glad to be there
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Pila and Cal
    Pila Mulligan: how are you?
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: and U ?
    Pila Mulligan: I'm fine thanks
    Paradise Tennant: hiya pila gtsy .. calvino .. susi :)
    Pila Mulligan: hi Paradise
    Susi Alcott: nice to hear
    Susi Alcott: Hi Paradice
    Susi Alcott: sry; Paradise
    Pila Mulligan: how's things, Paradise?
    Paradise Tennant: all good here ..rainy night dog just had a bath .. the dishes are humming in the dishwasher and I just made .. a nice cup of rose and peony tea :)
    Pila Mulligan: sounds relaxed
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Paradise Tennant: how's life on the island :)
    Pila Mulligan: it was just another day in Paradise -- I used a propane torch to burn some weeds growing in thedirveway today
    Pila Mulligan: better than using plant poison
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Pila Mulligan: Susi is that symbol something that you type each time or is set up to be made automaticly?
    Pila Mulligan: I've never tried it :)
    Susi Alcott: type it each time
    Pila Mulligan: you must be fast :)
    Pila Mulligan: _/!\_
    Calvino Rabeni: I have a gesture for that - it does an animation with hands
    Pila Mulligan: not easy at first, anyway
    Susi Alcott: hm...maybe sometimes _/!\_
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: _/!\_
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Pila Mulligan: thanks Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: YW
    Pila Mulligan: how does it work?
    Susi Alcott: (learned more of the keyboard cuz wanted to learn it immediately I saw somebody to use it
    Calvino Rabeni: It is a SL gesture with an animation in it.
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: _/!\_
    Pila Mulligan: it works :)
    Paradise Tennant: does anyone have a topic :)
    Calvino Rabeni: :) Magic
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: magic would be interesting :)
    Pila Mulligan: ... maybe an idea
    Calvino Rabeni: Oh, I didn't mean that as a topic, but it could be :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: really almost all of the real world as we know it .. I think of as magic .. in a way
    Pila Mulligan: let's suppose you are magiacally conveyed 100 years into the future, when you are dead but still sentient -- where wold you like to be?
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: where ever my dog is ?
    Pila Mulligan: :) nice
    Susi Alcott: ah....I started at fist to think that what I wold like to be :)
    Pila Mulligan: same idea Susi
    Paradise Tennant: ahh and what would that be susi ?
    Susi Alcott: hm...well...in case they shall not be hunted anymore then...the idea would be good
    Susi Alcott: as my latest idea was to be born as the computer....which can breake the on/off swcher so that the owner dont notice that
    Calvino Rabeni: One of my first thoughts was - let's see what has happened to the ocean level :)
    Susi Alcott: but ...well...might I have changed my mind cuz I noticed that I am a spot in pc ....so....might there not be then so much new to be the pc....
    Pila Mulligan: I wonder how many people would say 'watching TV' or 'at the golf course' :)
    Susi Alcott: hm...might not so many ....specially who is in SL
    Calvino Rabeni: :) There may be those people Pila
    Pila Mulligan: I hope so -- not so many :)
    Paradise Tennant: everything you know and are attached to in this life would largely have vanished ..
    Paradise Tennant: 100 years out
    Pila Mulligan: yes, the magic of time there
    Calvino Rabeni: It would be interesting to have this vision from everyone
    Susi Alcott: fines that question to be very interesting _/!\_
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Paradise Tennant: I tend my dad's grandmothe's grave in May .. plant martha washington gernaiums a ritual we did together for many years ..she died in 1949 .. her grave is the only one of that vintage that still has fresh plantings .. amazing how even 70 years leaves you in the past
    Pila Mulligan: nice Paradise
    Paradise Tennant: brb .. back the dog knows we bought cheese today ... is kicking up a fuss
    Pila Mulligan: I was 3 years old in 1949 and actually have a few memories from then -- but it seems like at least several lifetimes ago
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Paradise Tennant: back
    Susi Alcott: was not born quite yet then; a year after...still also take liven 'few' life times
    Pila Mulligan: wb
    Susi Alcott: wb
    Pila Mulligan: it was interesting to read that the organic material our bodies are made of are in large part micorganism that change completely at a failry quick rate
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes I am mostly non-human DNA
    Pila Mulligan: and water :)
    Pila Mulligan: so we really may have had several bodily changes over the decades
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Susi Alcott: ->Cal ?
    Susi Alcott: Hello dog :)
    Susi Alcott: what's Ur name ?
    Paradise Tennant: he can certainly say cheese !
    Paradise Tennant: blue
    Pila Mulligan: blue cheese :)
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: awright I will stop being silly now :)
    Calvino Rabeni: More non-human cells than human ones in each human body
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Paradise Tennant: hmm always thought we were mostly air
    Paradise Tennant: matter not being really very dense
    Calvino Rabeni: I am, but others may have different balances of elements
    Pila Mulligan: wiki: water 'may be as high as 75 percent of the body weight'
    Susi Alcott: one of my friends told him to be stardust :)
    Pila Mulligan: travelling light :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Paradise Tennant: smiles we all have stardust ! ..there has to be magic in that :)
    Pila Mulligan: for sure
    Susi Alcott: (feels naked cuz the aura seems not to work at least on my screen)
    Calvino Rabeni: Modesty :)
    Paradise Tennant: sees susi's aura just fine .no worries :)
    Susi Alcott: ah good; ty
    Susi Alcott: would U like to have it too ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Now however, I feel that I need an aura for my avatar, that is adjustable
    Susi Alcott: maybe you could improve this ?
    Calvino Rabeni: Because they are very individual - I'd like to have it but not exactly as Susi appears
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes, if it can be altered
    Susi Alcott: it's to mod
    Susi Alcott: that I dont know, but think you know soon
    Calvino Rabeni: OK, then yes I would like to have it
    Paradise Tennant: we all have auras in rl that appear to be quite individual and subject to change with our emotions or so I understand ...
    Pila Mulligan: it seems so Paradise
    Pila Mulligan: subject to change with psture, too, in some cases
    Pila Mulligan: posture*
    Susi Alcott: there's different ways to see it....
    Paradise Tennant: oooooo sees stardust !
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Paradise Tennant: should take a pic of that cal for the log :)
    Paradise Tennant: looks interesting
    Susi Alcott: most of the people I've met that see it, sees the energyfield that includes effects of people who think us
    Pila Mulligan: I don't see a coronoa or kirlian emanation of aura in people, but I can see their chi condition externally
    Susi Alcott: and if meet in RL, also the effect of the wachers energies...
    Pila Mulligan: the entanglement effect Susi :)
    Susi Alcott: indeed
    Susi Alcott: (I dont see that way)
    Pila Mulligan: I think aura usually refers more to an energy emanation that is like a coronoa surrounding the body -- I don;t see that way either
    Susi Alcott: mostly (when I see) I see light mixed with darkness with different strength)
    Pila Mulligan: that is similar to seeing chi then, Susi
    Susi Alcott: ah ok
    Pila Mulligan: chi is like internal vital energy and it can radiate outward as well
    Pila Mulligan: being seen or felt
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Paradise Tennant: I wonder if animals can see it clearly
    Susi Alcott: depends of the animal
    Susi Alcott: and his/her understanding as much as it's so with human beings
    Susi Alcott: but more/most of them animals do see...but do they understand...
    Susi Alcott: wanna hear a story ?
    Pila Mulligan: please
    Pila Mulligan: hi Storm
    Susi Alcott: Hi Storm
    Paradise Tennant: susi what did you mean by " most of the people I've met that see it, sees the energyfield that includes effects of people who think us"
    Storm Nordwind whispers Hi to all
    Paradise Tennant: hiya storm gtsy :)
    Susi Alcott: when our Jensi (german shepard) lived, there was often probs for me to get to the bedroom, cuz her reactions was immediate
    Paradise Tennant: hmmm interesting pipe storm :)
    Paradise Tennant: much healthier too !
    Storm Nordwind grins
    Susi Alcott: the first time I went being strongly in my thoughts, she attacked me so that when she came near enough to smell me well she turned around in the air
    Susi Alcott: then she lied down and set her paws onto her nose and seemed very embarresed
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Susi Alcott: so; each time I noticed to tell her in my mind that 'hey, it's me coming here now', all was well
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Pila Mulligan: nice story
    Susi Alcott: only late her years (she lived up to 13 years) things was peacfull all the time
    Pila Mulligan: Storm, earlier we were talking abot Susi's avi's aura, and shifted into human aura ([19:40] Paradise Tennant: we all have auras in rl that appear to be quite individual and subject to change with our emotions or so I understand ...)
    Pila Mulligan: that led to animal auras and the story
    Storm Nordwind: I see. Thank you.
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Paradise Tennant: do you see people's auras susi
    Susi Alcott: well...like Pila just explaned that I see this chi
    Susi Alcott: but what I often see is one's wings....
    Susi Alcott: and sometimes I see the pain of the body which 'drags' the light ...
    Susi Alcott: but yes; how the pain effects to ones mind
    Susi Alcott: also I use to see how the person is aware of him/herself....
    Susi Alcott: it's various ways...but I have come to conclution that it's always based on the purpose; that I'de know better how to help if my help is asked
    Susi Alcott: hm...well...
    Susi Alcott: the purpose can be also to help somebody else to 'see' an other person/s....
    Susi Alcott: dont much wanna deal with love affairs, but I have helped people to chooce who they take to be there worker....
    Storm Nordwind: /Seeing auras can be quite useful - when healing, for example - though I tend to keep the ability 'switched off' as I find it can be both distracting and quite invasive
    Pila Mulligan: 'kriya' (a yogic term) has been described as spontaneous or involutary movements resulting from conditions of internal energy -- I sense or 'see' the condition of a person's chi or internal energy in large part by observing their involuntary movements
    Paradise Tennant: smiles do you see auras storm ?
    Storm Nordwind: Only when I both want to and need to :)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Paradise Tennant: when I was a child I use to see purple around my mom's head and often told her about it :) now occassionally when I meditate I see flashes of colour around someone but find it very unsettling .. makes me uncomfortable
    Pila Mulligan: seeing body pain that 'drags light' sounds comparable
    Paradise Tennant: so susi it is shadow ..not colour ?
    Susi Alcott: that I see when the person knows how not to give his/her pain into my existence
    Susi Alcott: hm...have not thought it to be the shadow...as it's part of ones body...mindbody...
    Susi Alcott: as it's not the same shaped than the rest of the body....
    Paradise Tennant: what shape is it ?
    Susi Alcott: but such person yes knows me and wants to save me from his/her pains
    Susi Alcott: depends on how big the pain is....comparing to one's health
    Susi Alcott: and sure one's spiritual strength
    Storm Nordwind: By the way Paradise, if it makes you feel uncomfortable, it's possible to learn to switch it off, and it may also be possible to find out what it's for in your personal case
    Susi Alcott: hm...and sure on one's will to shine no matter if there's pain
    Calvino Rabeni: Pila , have you studied the practices of Katsugen or similar?
    Paradise Tennant: does not happen very often .. does it have to be for something ?
    Paradise Tennant: what is katsugen
    Calvino Rabeni: http://www.google.com/search?q=katsugen&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t
    Calvino Rabeni: A kind of energy healing movement practice
    Paradise Tennant: smiles at the quick wikiness :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I assume there could be yoga equivalents
    Susi Alcott: usually what we see or not, has the purpose
    Susi Alcott: cuz it's also own choice if to
    Pila Mulligan: no, Cal, that's new to me -- thanks for the link
    Calvino Rabeni: Thanks
    Calvino Rabeni: Also I'm curious, whether there is a connection between this, with making a difficult decision
    Susi Alcott: thinking this Paradise's experience....
    Susi Alcott: and that put an other story to rise;
    Susi Alcott: there was this man that came to ask my help , but I was quite 'offline' from my body....
    Susi Alcott: but I sure asked him to sit down that I'll 'be back' quickly
    Susi Alcott: he is the person who sees all energies 'around' easily
    Susi Alcott: soon I felt myself to be fully present in my human body and he told how he saw that I brought violet light into his forehead chakra
    Susi Alcott: and he got the answer what he had come for
    Susi Alcott: end of the story
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: one of the best of the traditional Hawaiian healers I've met, a man now deceased, *felt* auras and typically used a healing massage to restore health to the place where he felt illness -- he had a remarkable success rate with real injuries and diseases
    Susi Alcott: btw; that's the most common thing people have told me they've got using them stargates
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Paradise Tennant: smiles I 've read about hawaiian healers ..who heal by going into their own mines and healing the source of sickness there ..
    Paradise Tennant: stargates ?
    Susi Alcott: yes ; special energy fields on the planet
    Susi Alcott: ah yes; that is normally a block in the energyfield when there's the physical illness
    Susi Alcott: that is possible often to open by other person; not always
    Susi Alcott: in Finland there's such person how makes surgeries to people, but he also knows the limit that if the illness is very deep in the body, he dont do anything
    Susi Alcott: but when not, he imagines the patient to be in front of him and cut's the block off
    Susi Alcott: various things are possible
    Storm Nordwind: Interestingly, some healers assume that the energy block is the cause of the physical illness. This may be true sometimes, but not necessarily always, and it may be the other way round - that the cause of the energy block is the physical problem
    Paradise Tennant: reiki healing ..is based on a similar philosophy .?
    Susi Alcott: well...imo the block is 'resolt'...symptom....
    Susi Alcott: the reason is often must to find for one to get well
    Susi Alcott: ...not always...
    Storm Nordwind: But it is certainly important for a healer to be able to tell whether they should attempt a healing treatment or whether they should leave alone
    Pila Mulligan: this healer's son was nealry killed in a car accident on the mainland, and the doctors called to say they felt life support would not be worthwhile -- the healer flew to the hospital (by airplane) and after his arrival at the hospital he spent an hour that reuslted in son becoming conscious and obviously not near death -- the doctors kept the healer there for several weeks in meetings and seminars
    Paradise Tennant: interesting
    Susi Alcott: sure it's also so, that for example when one is hungry and cannot get food, nothing else helps...
    Storm Nordwind: That's an interesting case - thank you Pila. It reminds me though that as well as occasional non-action, one sometimes has to heal, not just for the patient to live, but for them to die
    Susi Alcott: (in Finland doctors only bend there head meeting the healer that has obviously healed the patient)
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Paradise Tennant: are you from finland susi ?
    Susi Alcott: yes
    Paradise Tennant: smiles ..waves across the ocean :)
    Susi Alcott: and yes; several doctors knows of me for very special cases
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: but they dont kick me out anymore ...
    Storm Nordwind: I have a friend in Colorado who practices "Healing Touch" and who is now officially approved to visit and treat babies of consenting parents in the local hospital. Acceptance seems to be coming :)
    Paradise Tennant: healing touch ?
    Susi Alcott: that's wonderfull news
    Storm Nordwind: http://www.healingtouch.net/
    Paradise Tennant: working on a person's energy ?
    Storm Nordwind: .me nods
    Pila Mulligan: btw, I see this Hawaiian healer actually published a book on helaing herbs before he died -- http://www.amazon.com/Hawaiian-Healing-Herbs-Kalua-Kaiahua/dp/0964382946
    Susi Alcott: ah yes; as each one sure has privacy, and it's very normal to resist also healing....
    Susi Alcott: but when one can touch the patient's body, it's to breake the sheald which resists
    Paradise Tennant: wow
    Susi Alcott: I also heared that there was tests in USA how such people that has burned themself, was given healing
    Susi Alcott: as that was expected by them 'wise men' that the patients would complain, cuz they knew that the healing normally feels warm; often hot too
    Paradise Tennant: interesting session ..thank you all .. but I should scoot to give the dog his last walk and trundle off to bed .. .. late .. here .. waves a quiet good by
    Susi Alcott: but sure that heat normally is not burning; on the contrary
    Pila Mulligan: bye Paradise
    Susi Alcott: so the healer 'won' the case with max points
    Storm Nordwind waves to paradise
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_ Paradice
    Storm Nordwind must also leave
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Calvino Rabeni: Take care, Storm
    Susi Alcott: enjoy your day/night
    Pila Mulligan: bye Storm
    Calvino Rabeni: I have a story
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Susi Alcott: pls tell
    Calvino Rabeni: There was a group of people who worked together for several days
    Calvino Rabeni: At the start, they all wrote their name on a card and put it into a hat
    Calvino Rabeni: Then the hat was passed around - well, it could have been a basket :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Calvino Rabeni: And each drew out one card; putting it back into the basket, if it was the card with one's own name
    Calvino Rabeni: Thus each person had the card of another, in secret
    Calvino Rabeni: then for the next few days, the instruction was to hold that person in mind, and perhaps in "deed" as well
    Calvino Rabeni: And to be of secret help to that person
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Calvino Rabeni: At the end of the few days, it was revealed, who was "holding" each person
    Calvino Rabeni: Also it was questioned, at that time, what was the effect
    Calvino Rabeni: I thought this practice was a sharp idea, a good idea
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Pila Mulligan: what were the reported effects, Cal?
    Susi Alcott: (expects good resolts)
    Calvino Rabeni: There is not an "objective" answer to this
    Calvino Rabeni: I think one effect is that the group became more connected by this web of intentions
    Calvino Rabeni: Another effect is that some of the people realized, they can do this at any time, even if no cards have been written :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Pila Mulligan: being helpful :)
    Calvino Rabeni: And of course, they learned to have some new attentions and interests for some individual that they may not have known very well
    Susi Alcott: that is what I exepcted...the other of them things I did
    Calvino Rabeni: And they had some relief from "self-concern" :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Calvino Rabeni: And perhaps they will take the practice with them into other groups
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: as the other thing I'de expect is that people's shealds was more open when dont know the helper
    Calvino Rabeni: The interesting thing for me, and maybe a coincidence, is that I drew the card of someone that was the exact card that I wanted to have
    Calvino Rabeni: Yes that makes sense Susi
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Calvino Rabeni: I noticed, it gave one a different view of another person
    Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps this could be considered a form of "magic"
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    Pila Mulligan: well, thanks much Susi and Cal, it was interesting -- but I must be going so bye for now
    Calvino Rabeni: (That is, to revisit the topic from the beginning of the session)
    Susi Alcott: bfn and take care
    Calvino Rabeni: OK, Pila, was tood to see you
    Calvino Rabeni: Bye
    Calvino Rabeni: *good
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: starpower
    Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
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