2010.04.01 19:00 - PAB What We Have Gained In the Past Two Years

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Paradise Tennant. The comments are by Bleu, Riddle, Calvino, Storm, Pema and Arch

    Riddle Sideways: hi
    Paradise Tennant: hiya riddle :)
    Riddle Sideways: sorry, just downloaded viewer beta 2
    Paradise Tennant: how is it :)
    Riddle Sideways: and I can't speak so goodly yet
    Paradise Tennant: i have not downloaded it yet :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Riddle Sideways: ummmmm, wonder where local chat box went
    Paradise Tennant: can
    Paradise Tennant: can't help you there I am afraid :)
    Riddle Sideways: once I was afraid, but
    Riddle Sideways: "there is nothing to fear, but fear it..."
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Riddle Sideways: ooo I can't stay long, family coming home
    Paradise Tennant: nice to meet you riddle :)
    Riddle Sideways: good evening bleu
    Bleu Oleander: hey Paradise
    Bleu Oleander: hi Riddle
    Paradise Tennant: hiya bleu gtsy :)
    Paradise Tennant: how are you tonight :)
    Bleu Oleander: great you?
    Paradise Tennant: very well thank you ..happy it is a long weekend :)
    Bleu Oleander: hey did you both get your PaB anniversary t-shirts?
    Riddle Sideways: ummm, no
    Paradise Tennant: nope
    Bleu Oleander: one sec
    Paradise Tennant: it is the anniversary today right !
    Riddle Sideways looks at calendar
    Bleu Oleander: we were all dancing in the village today
    Paradise Tennant: thank you
    Bleu Oleander: yw
    Paradise Tennant: oh very cool
    Riddle Sideways: thank you
    Riddle Sideways: and a button
    Bleu Oleander: we decorated and Storm put a neat music thingy
    Paradise Tennant: storm is very gifted !
    Bleu Oleander: I put my favorite dance ball there
    Paradise Tennant: nice
    Paradise Tennant: one you made ?
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Riddle Sideways: so sorry to have missed it
    Bleu Oleander: well, I put my own dances into a box if that's what you mean by "made" :)
    Paradise Tennant: nods same here :)
    Riddle Sideways: was at the 0 and 1 year anniverserys
    Bleu Oleander: nice
    Paradise Tennant: yes that works for me as made !
    Bleu Oleander: I was at the 1
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Calv
    Paradise Tennant: hiya cal :) gtsy :)
    Bleu Oleander: Hi Cal
    Calvino Rabeni: Greetings Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: ok change is a good thing....
    Riddle Sideways: but I can't find my tools
    Bleu Oleander: are you using the new viewer?
    Riddle Sideways: trying to
    Bleu Oleander: I still haven't downloaded it
    Riddle Sideways: wants the big chat window back
    Bleu Oleander: no chat window?
    Riddle Sideways: little chat bars
    Bleu Oleander: how do you see chat history?
    Riddle Sideways: ah, it does scroll bar
    Bleu Oleander: phew
    Paradise Tennant: smiles ..
    Riddle Sideways: excuse me I should have done this elsewhere
    Paradise Tennant: no worries
    Paradise Tennant: does anyone have a topic they would like to explore ?
    Bleu Oleander: how about what we have gained from our PaB past two years ...
    Paradise Tennant: wow good choice bleu
    Paradise Tennant: would you like to start :)
    Bleu Oleander: kinda an anniversary topic :)
    Bleu Oleander: that's always the problem when you have a suggestion ..... you have to start!
    Bleu Oleander: let me think for a sec
    Riddle Sideways: oh dear, a great topic and I haveta go be with daugther that just got reject from top shoice of university
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: the pain of being creative !
    Bleu Oleander: bye Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: bye all
    Paradise Tennant: take care riddle and thank you :)
    Bleu Oleander: I'll start by saying that PaB didn't come easy for me
    Bleu Oleander: at first didn't know what to do with the 90 sec
    Bleu Oleander: sitting at my computer
    Bleu Oleander: sat in on some of Stim's sessions
    Bleu Oleander: and started to relax into the rhythm of Kira
    Bleu Oleander: It took me a while to stop the chatter in my mind
    Bleu Oleander: so I didn't go to PaB for a long time
    Bleu Oleander: then I went and was surprised by how much I related to it
    Bleu Oleander: met a lot of really nice people
    Bleu Oleander: got good refs on books, videos, etc
    Bleu Oleander: actually read "Time, Space, and Knowledge"
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Bleu Oleander: now I find myself in a somewhat regular pattern of 9sec breaks
    Paradise Tennant: it is added perspective .. connection and depth .. bleu ...you found... maybe a bit more space with it too ?
    Bleu Oleander: yes, exactly Paradise
    Bleu Oleander: so I have really just come to the best part of PaB
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Bleu Oleander: where I can apply the concepts to everyday life
    Bleu Oleander: starting to dovetail with rl
    Bleu Oleander: you?
    Paradise Tennant: cal did you want to chime in .. on what it brought to you in terms of your involvement .. I am going to have to blink for a bit
    Calvino Rabeni: It has been less than half a year... still seems like I'm "getting used to it" :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I've been interested in the people I've met here
    Calvino Rabeni: And had some creative energies invoked to do things with SL, and the PaB Wiki
    Calvino Rabeni: It has been a good place to do a kind of "weaving"
    Calvino Rabeni: Individuals being the treads, somehow a loose collective comes into place
    Calvino Rabeni: It has kept me interested in awareness of how a collective intelligence might function
    Calvino Rabeni: And some things are easier here than in RL, with respect to meeting with people with some kind of purpose with learning or creativity
    Calvino Rabeni: And I think it reflects back on my RL activities with in-person relationships and groups
    Calvino Rabeni: In that I think - why not do things there, that could be done in SL?
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmm, a slow process of getting identified with the avatar, having it seem "me-ish" and the place seem like another kind of familiar groupnd
    Calvino Rabeni: *ground that is
    Calvino Rabeni: It turned into some RL contacts both directly and indirectly
    Calvino Rabeni: probably made me more open to "social media" in general
    Calvino Rabeni: I like the group projects that happen from time to time
    Calvino Rabeni: And yes, I might not have read the TSK book otherwise :)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Tempted me to study some new areas, such as phenomenology
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Bleu Oleander: me too
    Calvino Rabeni: stared using the common web tools more, wikis and wikipedia and the like
    Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps most of all, I met people with many different characters and abilities, which adds something to my sense of self and human potentials, besides being enjoyable
    Calvino Rabeni: It may have reminded me to be more regular with my meditation practices, and certainly with keeping contemplation focuses going
    Calvino Rabeni: Hmm, Might have helped with my "shopping aversion"
    Bleu Oleander: funny!
    Calvino Rabeni: Probably also good experience in trying to express complex ideas in a chaotic environment :)
    Calvino Rabeni: I noticed a lot of people with artistic and creative energy, which is inspiring
    Bleu Oleander: very happy to see that
    Calvino Rabeni: Otherwise I wouldn't have used SL, so that's something too
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm not sure what else...
    Calvino Rabeni: maybe I can envision a kind of "noosphere" of the future society
    Calvino Rabeni: Some kind of futuristic communcation and thinking web
    Calvino Rabeni: It raised the standard for having interesting relationships
    Calvino Rabeni: Since it was for me, all during fall/winter, it remains to be seen how much I sustain of online activity in the active season of spring/summer.
    Bleu Oleander: hey Storm
    Calvino Rabeni: Oh, also, I have enjoyed getting some RL friends involved in SL
    Paradise Tennant: hiya storm :)
    Calvino Rabeni: It gives another way to be in relationship
    Storm Nordwind: Hi there :)
    Paradise Tennant: yes
    Calvino Rabeni: Hiya storm
    Calvino Rabeni: The topic is - retrospective on PaB and its personal effects or impact
    Paradise Tennant: storm we are exploring Bleu suggestion to express what PAB has brought to us :)
    Storm Nordwind: Ah - thank you
    Storm Nordwind: Such a difficult thing to sum up
    Calvino Rabeni: A kind of "anniversary" review
    Paradise Tennant: was there anything else cal that you wanted to add :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Ah, done for now I would say
    Bleu Oleander: I haven't met anyone who hasn't had a positive experience with PaB
    Paradise Tennant: Storm . would you like to share what PAB has brought to you :)
    Storm Nordwind: I do sometimes wonder whether there are people who have tried to practise PaB whom we have never met, simply because they have only ever stumbled on the website
    Bleu Oleander: do many find PaB from the website I wonder?
    Storm Nordwind: If they don't come into SL, it might be impossible to tell
    Storm Nordwind: One certainly doesn't need SL to practise it
    Storm Nordwind: As for what PaB has brought me in the last two years...
    Storm Nordwind: ... actually it's a funny question in many ways...
    Storm Nordwind: it's not one I normally ask of myself! ...
    Storm Nordwind: I know that reflection is not my strong suit (or atleast not by choice ;) ...
    Storm Nordwind: And I think my problem would be to try and disentangle PaB from all the other tumultuous changes that have happened coincident with it
    Storm Nordwind: The biggest 'experiences' I've had were with YSBS and ESBS
    Paradise Tennant: blinks
    Storm Nordwind: The effect of PaB itself has been more insidious, whereas they were step changes
    Storm Nordwind: And in fact the biggest change, outside those experiences, are that it has brought me into contact with some amazing people, people I would probably never have met under any other circumstance
    Storm Nordwind: And through that contact I've found many things, way beyond the practice of PaB itself
    Bleu Oleander: that seems to be a common thread
    Storm Nordwind: So I realise this really doesn't answer the question! :)
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Paradise Tennant: sorry I have to go back .. ysbs .. esbs .. blinking ?
    Storm Nordwind: Well - please remember that during thais time I've changed my religious tradition, I've divorced, remarried and emigrated, been laid off from my job.. well, the list goes on and on
    Paradise Tennant: yowser
    Storm Nordwind: So PaB in there as an effect is quite difficult to isolate!
    Bleu Oleander: is that all?
    Bleu Oleander: hehe
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Storm Nordwind: No - lots more. But I don't want to sound boring or self-indulgent!
    Paradise Tennant: listens :)
    Storm Nordwind: But your question about ysbs and esbs?
    Paradise Tennant: sorry just not seen the reference before ..
    Storm Nordwind: Oh!
    Storm Nordwind: You have seen the initials?
    Paradise Tennant: no
    Storm Nordwind: OK
    Storm Nordwind: Hmmm...
    Storm Nordwind: In a nutshell...
    Storm Nordwind: These were experiments that Pema invited us to try in the summer (July I think) following the start of PaB
    Storm Nordwind: First he suggest YSBS
    Storm Nordwind: And that stands for You Seeing Being Seeing
    Storm Nordwind: It was a comparison experiment
    Storm Nordwind: First of all, the idea was to be as fully aware as you possibly could of what you saw
    Storm Nordwind: and also heard, felt etc
    Storm Nordwind: He suggested being aware of the cone of vision that yours eyes had for example
    Storm Nordwind: And after some minutes of being as aware of You Seeing as possible
    Storm Nordwind: he suggested switching to Being Seeing
    Storm Nordwind: Being Seeing was something like this...
    Storm Nordwind: What would it be like to See as Being
    Storm Nordwind: Would it be possible to go beyond such an imagining?
    Storm Nordwind: And experience it for oneself?
    Storm Nordwind: And how would it compare to You Seeing?
    Storm Nordwind: (These are in old chat logs by the way, explained far better than I'm doing right now!)
    Storm Nordwind: It took me several attempts to 'engage' Being Seeing, but when I did found it quite a stunning experience
    Storm Nordwind: I seem to remember I blogged (poorly) about it at the time
    Storm Nordwind: :)
    Storm Nordwind: I think Pema encourages repeat sessions of YSBS from time to time
    Storm Nordwind: But not so with the other experiment ESBS
    Storm Nordwind: which stands for Enlightened being Seeing, Being Seeing
    Storm Nordwind: Actually the best way to start with that was YS - you seeing
    Storm Nordwind: And then maybe to go on to Beeing Seeing
    Storm Nordwind: But ES was very different, for me at least
    Storm Nordwind: It was more like, what would it be like to be (whatever we imagined it as) an Enlightened Being?
    Storm Nordwind: And then to compare, if possible, the difference between that and Being Seeing.
    Storm Nordwind: The experience for me of that was instantaneous and far more profound than Beeing Seeing.
    Storm Nordwind: However, there was a problem... that of disentangling one's ego and pride...
    Storm Nordwind: and without proper training that's actually quite hard to do for many people
    Storm Nordwind: So Pema didn't encourage that experiment after that
    Storm Nordwind: (although it had the biggest personal effect)
    Storm Nordwind: Hmm... I've rambled - sorry - does that help? :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles very much so storm ..thank you very much
    Paradise Tennant: what kind of profound personal effect emerged from esbs ?
    Storm Nordwind: Well... hmmm... let me try and describe very briefly... and please simply take it at face value...
    Storm Nordwind: I knew without a doubt (for a period of 10 minutes at least!) what it was like to be an enlightened being, a taste of that experience in its entirety, and yet still to be aware and functional in the normal world - and this validated for me the spritual path that I was on. That's it in essence. :)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: that is some essence !
    Storm Nordwind chuckles
    Paradise Tennant: you experienced your buddha nature :)
    Paradise Tennant: recognized it
    Storm Nordwind: Took it out of dusty books, shook it down, and lived it for a while
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Storm Nordwind: Or was that the effect of the divorce? ;^)>
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Bleu Oleander: interesting question
    Paradise Tennant: interesting each of you have expressed similar but .. also unique .. variations on the theme :)
    Paradise Tennant: sometimes are lives are shaped by the brain trusts so to speak that we attach to .. this one I would suggest is one heck of a brain trust!
    Paradise Tennant: *our
    Calvino Rabeni: I agree with that Paradise
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Paradise Tennant: hiya pema
    Storm Nordwind: I agree too, in fact if nothing else, the catalytic effect of that is huge
    Paradise Tennant: we have been doing a anniversary session exploring what PAB has brought to each of us :)
    Pema Pera: hi Storm, Paradise, Bleu, Calvino!
    Bleu Oleander: hey Pema
    Storm Nordwind: Greetings Pema
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello :)
    Bleu Oleander: wonderful day of reflection and celebration :)
    Pema Pera: wow, looking forward to reading it, Paradise! I couldn't get in earlier; late dinner in Manhattan, but glad to find some stragglers here still :)
    Storm Nordwind: How exotic that sounds: "late dinner in Manhattan" ;)
    Pema Pera: was fun to come in three times a day, for a change
    Storm Nordwind: Yes for me too
    Pema Pera: (found a Starbucks to combine latte and internet)
    Paradise Tennant: somehow manhattan has its own energy :) almost tangible the moment you land :)
    Pema Pera: very much so, yes
    Pema Pera: but I will leave Manhattan for ten months now, starting Sunday
    Bleu Oleander: where will you be Pema?
    Archmage Atlantis: Well, all the major players are hee
    Bleu Oleander: Hi Arch
    Pema Pera: three weeks San Francisco, then nine months of (mostly) Tokyo
    Bleu Oleander: very nice
    Storm Nordwind: Hi Arch... and many of the major players are, in my humble view, missing :)
    Paradise Tennant: hiya arch :)
    Paradise Tennant: that is such a long time away
    Pema Pera: what were the main conclusions when reflecting on PaB's history?
    Pema Pera: or it is too complex to give a few snippets?
    Paradise Tennant: well we filled an hour!
    Pema Pera: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: May I?
    Bleu Oleander: we all talked about meeting wonderful people through PaB
    Paradise Tennant: Please Arch we were reflecting on what PAB has brought to each of us ..would you like to add your experiences
    Calvino Rabeni: DInner calls - thanks all, be well :)
    Pema Pera: bye Calvino
    Bleu Oleander: nite Cal
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Archmage Atlantis: This forum has brough together many divese thoughs......,many diverse entities
    Paradise Tennant: take care cal
    Archmage Atlantis: It is a caulden of new undestanding of the nem. an do remem ber
    Archmage Atlantis: An crappy timoub
    Archmage Atlantis: Y=Yet I degress
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: yes many diverse people .. and there is a real pleasure diversity .. I find I've connected with so many bright creative souls. that share their insight and understanding with such abandon ..it has been a pleasure ..something I really look forward to :)
    Paradise Tennant: I always learn something
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Storm Nordwind: Sharing with abandon - a beautiful thought! :)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Archmage Atlantis: The banboo we pont wer all cold nardt our zine
    Pema Pera: yes, it's really amazing what has sprouted up around such a simple idea . . . .
    Archmage Atlantis: Ye =t inthe las week hey have begun to sent up new ahoses
    Archmage Atlantis: Geez. as tneuorpatht ontinjes, the dekbord gets more fifficut
    Paradise Tennant: are you haveing trouble typing arch .. are you ok ?
    Archmage Atlantis: Yesm U====I an......Ihave trouble typeing
    Archmage Atlantis: 'But also in speaa===h re9ornutib siftware'
    Paradise Tennant: pema what has Pab brought to you :)
    Pema Pera: you all :-)
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Pema Pera: and a much better understanding of wu-wei, of not-doing, of letting, being . . .
    Pema Pera: never expected to get so many playmates in my practice :)
    Paradise Tennant: because we each seem to have so much to be thankful for maybe we could spend a few minutes in meditating on .. just that thankfulness :) to wind down the session ;)
    Pema Pera: fine!
    Storm Nordwind: :)
    Paradise Tennant: shall I gong
    Paradise Tennant: smiles
    Paradise Tennant: gong!
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: going, gone, gong!
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Storm Nordwind is thankful for the playful humor! :)
    Pema Pera will behave from now on
    Paradise Tennant: lol
    Bleu Oleander: hope not!
    Storm Nordwind watches with incredulity
    Bleu Oleander: thank you all for sharing your reflections .... must be going ... take care :)
    Paradise Tennant: take care Bleau
    Pema Pera: thank you, Paradise!
    Pema Pera: and all !
    Storm Nordwind waves
    Paradise Tennant: thank you all :) really enjoyed this session
    Paradise Tennant: :)
    Bleu Oleander: bye all
    Paradise Tennant: nite nite everyone
    Pema Pera: see you all soon again!
    Pema Pera: in our third year
    Bleu Oleander: yes :)

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