2010.04.03 13:00 - Enlightened Nudity, Sex and Food

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    The Guardian for this meeting was SophiaSharon Larnia. The comments are by SophiaSharon. The participants are Yakuzza Lethecus, Sonia Tehani, Bertram Jacobus, Zen Arado, Zen Arado, Eliza Madrigal, Qt Core, and arabella Ella. I was having problems with my internet connection (it would freeze and then I would get a large amount of text all at once); so much of the following was lost to me at the moment.

    The topic included a discussion about nudity and sex, which are not subjects that come up very often here in PaB.




    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ssl
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how are you ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey sonia
    Sonia Tehani: hi
    Sonia Tehani: is the session starting?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes it is
    Sonia Tehani: ok
    Sonia Tehani: i'm early or what? :-9
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, a bit
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wb ssl
    Sonia Tehani: :-)
    Sonia Tehani: ok i'll wait
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you are familar with the place here ?
    Sonia Tehani: i've been once
    Sonia Tehani: it was fine :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so you know about logging and alike ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Yakuzza, Hi Sonia :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: that everything said around here is going to be posted on our website
    Sonia Tehani: yes, about recording you mean?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ok
    Sonia Tehani: yes i know, it's ok
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi bert
    Sonia Tehani: hi bert
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Bertram :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hello early visitor :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: not that nudism bothers me
    Bertram Jacobus: 12:56 slt) ... ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: visitors*
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but it reminds me of throuing around tshirts :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I may be extra quiet this session, I'm having some major laggg
    Bertram Jacobus: oh - may it disappear quickly sharon ! ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you! took several tries (many) to get here today
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ist das dein name bert ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: txe lan lesrung
    Bertram Jacobus: btw : i liked your look sonia ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. my na'vi name - means "helping heart" became it from my tribe chiefs ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: very apt :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so, any of you got a topic ?
    Bertram Jacobus: or even a bit more exact : from a sister ("tsmuke") who can see our names ... :-) - was very happy to get this name from her in a ceremony - big honour as well ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Yakuzza Lethecus: welcome zen :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Zen, Hi Liza :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi liza
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thx for grabbing the log!
    Zen Arado: thanks Yaku :)
    Zen Arado: Hi all
    Bertram Jacobus: how about nudity and spirit for example ? ;-)
    Sonia Tehani: hi zen, how are you? :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: hi liza and zen ! :-)
    Liza Deischer: it happens
    Zen Arado: fine thank you
    Sonia Tehani: great
    Zen Arado: and you?
    Sonia Tehani: fine, a little tired, travelling, finally back home
    Zen Arado: traveling is tiring
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no place like home
    Sonia Tehani: it is... and i had a fine because travelling in the wrong train :-9
    Zen Arado: oh dear
    Sonia Tehani: but wanted to be home before the usally time!
    Sonia Tehani: so... we were talking about? nudity? or what?
    Zen Arado: I'm tired too but i stayed up too late last night
    SophiaSharon Larnia laughs........ I'm scrolling back for that one
    Zen Arado: there is a woman in SL goes around naked
    Sonia Tehani: who is her, i want to know her
    Zen Arado: came to WOK meeting last week
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ah, i just had that in mind sonja because you haven´t had a bra at that time for me
    Zen Arado: Rhiannon something
    Sonia Tehani: yes i know, i usually like to go around without a bra
    Sonia Tehani: usually i like to go around SL naked, but don't want to offend anyone with that attitude anyway
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, but we are used to that, have you met rhiannon dragoon ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: she´s wearing nothing and takes herself serious so it´s no problem
    Sonia Tehani: it's just a way to feel me more confortable with my body
    Yakuzza Lethecus: when ppl aren´t griefing and trolling with that nudity it´s fine
    Zen Arado: funny how quickly you get used to it
    Yakuzza Lethecus: why only me ?
    Sonia Tehani: it's just because i like nudity also in rl
    Sonia Tehani: without any bad mind
    Sonia Tehani: i just try to feel my body for what it is
    Sonia Tehani: no sex intended
    Bertram Jacobus: many years ago i asked a very experienced buddhist practitioneer : if you could choose between enlightenment and a woman like out of the nicest dreams - what would you choose - and he said instantly "that woman" - didn´t forget it , have the impression, that was a real adult answer (!) ...
    Zen Arado: an honest man
    Sonia Tehani: well, it depends on what kind of thoughts he was doing with this woman
    Liza Deischer: trying to bring her to enlightenment ?
    Liza Deischer: tantra-sex
    Sonia Tehani: i think maybe enlightment is also accept someone in front of you as it is, maybe nude... where's the problem?
    Bertram Jacobus: poor sharon - wb
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wb sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry
    Sonia Tehani: if someone is naked in front of you, and it makes bad thoughts on you, the problem is just yours not of that person naked
    Yakuzza Lethecus: wha for ?
    Liza Deischer: wb sharon
    Bertram Jacobus: no need to say sorry for such !
    Zen Arado: we are embarassed and ashamed of our bodies perhaps
    Liza Deischer: I don't see a problem
    Zen Arado: or conditioned to be
    Bertram Jacobus: i consider distractions and irritations ...
    Sonia Tehani: yes we are, maybe because our problem is on how not beauty is our body like the other one would be
    Zen Arado: try walking down the main street of your town naked
    Liza Deischer: but I think Bertrams question was about something different
    Sonia Tehani: zen, that's different
    Zen Arado: you would be arrested
    Sonia Tehani: i will be arrested
    Sonia Tehani: social law doesn't allow you to go naked down the street but what about a nude beach where you can?
    Sonia Tehani: and you can get comfortable about it
    Sonia Tehani: ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: boundaries on social laws
    Zen Arado: it wouldn't worry me
    Zen Arado: so how many others would it also not worry?
    Sonia Tehani: zen it depends i would not be worried if we get naked here now
    Zen Arado: why should the human body be offensive?
    Sonia Tehani: but would be worried down the street because everybody are not
    Bertram Jacobus: if i understand buddhas teachings correctly he explained that all limited and relative aspects in their limitation are combined with suffering ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I see quite a bit of nudity in my profession, it hardly registers to me, so I have a little different view than most, I guess
    Bertram Jacobus: so for sure, nuditiy also. following his teachings, the point was whether one looks from a free mind or not on it so to say -
    Zen Arado: yes - it is all so conditioned
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hi eliza :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hello eliza ... :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Eliza
    Zen Arado: Hi Eliza :)
    Sonia Tehani: i always try to look at my nudity, when i'm not in a sex moment, to try to accept more my body as it is
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Eliza, I think we're talking about nudity again
    Bertram Jacobus: but zen : when the mind, the being is free - conditions don´t limit anymore
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Everyone :) Hah... what timing I have
    Sonia Tehani: i think is difficult to feel your own body when you're dressed
    Bertram Jacobus: hello qt :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Qt
    Zen Arado: yes but we have to respect other's sensibilities I guess
    Zen Arado: and not try to offend them
    Sonia Tehani: hi qt are you italian?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, those sensibilities ^.^
    Zen Arado: even if they shouldn't be offended
    Qt Core: yes Sonia
    Zen Arado: Hi Qt:)
    Bertram Jacobus: i don´t feel such an essential difference in experiencing my body, naked or dressed. for sure there are differences then. but both okay for me
    Sonia Tehani: i'm too, where from? :-)
    Qt Core: near Milan
    Sonia Tehani: ok, i'm from Florence, nice to meet you
    Zen Arado: ah Florence
    Qt Core: :-)
    Zen Arado: what a beautiful place
    SophiaSharon Larnia: those places sound so very exotic to me :))
    Zen Arado: I always wanted to visit there
    Sonia Tehani: it is, a little boring, but still a beautiful place...
    Sonia Tehani: come Zen, :-)
    Qt Core: i love how everybody usually wants to be where the other is ;-)
    Zen Arado: ha ha yes
    Zen Arado: I live beside a Norman castle
    Zen Arado: and Americans swoon over it
    Sonia Tehani: come on Qt, i would not want to be in Milan anyway... :-)
    Zen Arado: but it is so ugly to me
    Bertram Jacobus: why ugly ?
    Zen Arado: it is not nice architecture
    Bertram Jacobus: ah
    Zen Arado: just built for defence
    Bertram Jacobus: may be impressive
    Zen Arado: want to see photo?
    Bertram Jacobus: i know it already ;-)
    Qt Core: for you Sonia Milan is not exotic enough,, just a couple hundred km from Florence
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes please :)
    Sonia Tehani: ok, we were talking about nudity, should we go on or change ?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles
    Sonia Tehani: yes Milan is maybe too near :-)
    Qt Core: nudity ? in which context ?
    Zen Arado: http://images.google.co.uk/images?hl...ed=0CDgQsAQwBg
    SophiaSharon Larnia: *gasps*
    Sonia Tehani: nice Castle
    Sonia Tehani: well in the contest maybe... how do you feel with your nudity and show it to someone else
    Bertram Jacobus: i think, that can have obsessive aspects ...
    Sonia Tehani: and how you feel with your body
    Qt Core: i wont for the sake of the mental health of the watcher
    Zen Arado: we want to conform to dress codes
    Eliza Madrigal: giggles qt
    Zen Arado: don't want to stand out
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles..... I think I state the same as qt
    Sonia Tehani: i don't want to conform to dress code
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm more interested in nudity of awareness :)
    Sonia Tehani: anyway i do not follow fashion in rl
    Qt Core: you know, i may address people to Botero paintings for a reference for my nudity ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: it´s conform not wanting to be conform these days ... ;-)
    Sonia Tehani: well where's the problrem if you are fat Qt?
    Liza Deischer smiles at nudity of awareness
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Sonia Tehani: do you think i'll judge you because of your body if i see you naked?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the physical body is undeniably linked with awareness, in my view
    SophiaSharon Larnia: limited as our senses are
    Zen Arado: we ignore our bodies too much maybe
    Qt Core: i feel quite ugly at a phisical level, but that never stopped me
    Sonia Tehani: yes zen, i think you're right
    Sonia Tehani: that's good
    Bertram Jacobus: this awareness aspect ... i like to name it "pure" ...
    Zen Arado: treat them like a machine
    Sonia Tehani: qt i was trying to tell this
    Sonia Tehani: thet i like nudity because this is the really way ourselves are
    Sonia Tehani: without defense
    Eliza Madrigal: Well, in the same way our self-consciousness about our bodies may keep us from experiences .... yes... guess there are great parallels Sharon, agree
    Sonia Tehani: and from my point of view never judge anyone for his\her body
    Bertram Jacobus: didn´t stop you qt ? in which way , please ?
    Sonia Tehani: that's why i try to live my nudity day by day
    Sonia Tehani: also if i have my problems too with it
    Zen Arado: funny but I feel a reticence to taking my clothes off even in SL
    Qt Core: that i will not concede to people telling me i'm fat or ugly
    Sonia Tehani: even in SL
    Sonia Tehani: i think this is the good place to take off the clothes
    Qt Core: that i will worn or not what i want
    Eliza Madrigal: interest in outer avatar is secondary... that's one thing I appreciate about the different orientation here
    Zen Arado: worried where this is heading :)
    Eliza Madrigal: skinny dipping?
    Zen Arado: lol
    Qt Core: i may have to call my friendly cube av to express my opinion on physical appearance ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: that would probably be a first
    Eliza Madrigal: Haha, qt
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Sonia Tehani: ok, some of you ever experienced a nude bach in RL?
    Bertram Jacobus: i see qt. ty for answering my question !
    Eliza Madrigal: sort of... live in miami
    Sonia Tehani: beach
    Zen Arado: we'll finish up doing onigokko..naked :)
    Qt Core: never
    Sonia Tehani: i did
    Sonia Tehani: it's a good feeling
    Sonia Tehani: cause everybody are naked as you are
    Sonia Tehani: and most of that people doesn't matter about you're body
    Sonia Tehani: but this i think is something you feel inside you anyway
    Zen Arado: at least I have a good body in SL
    Eliza Madrigal: I actually like layers to things
    Eliza Madrigal: empty layers, but layers
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Sonia Tehani: cuse the feeling of being judge from someone maybe start only from you
    Bertram Jacobus: for me, this topic is not so important. sry. liza got me right before - i have other things in mind considering that ...
    Eliza Madrigal: Bert, what did I miss?
    Qt Core: i don't have a fat avatar only as i never found a decent one, trying to fatten regular ones create monsters
    Zen Arado: say more Bert?
    Sonia Tehani: yes bert, i missed too
    Bertram Jacobus: i scroll and copy for the latecomers. one mom plz
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Bert :)
    Bertram Jacobus: [13:09] Bertram Jacobus: many years ago i asked a very experienced buddhist practitioneer : if you could choose between enlightenment and a woman like out of the nicest dreams - what would you choose - and he said instantly "that woman" - didn´t forget it , have the impression, that was a real adult answer (!) ...
    Zen Arado: ah yes
    Eliza Madrigal: !!
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe enlightenment seemed something 'far off' and the idea of 'that woman' closer...
    Qt Core: sorry i don't get it
    Eliza Madrigal: therefore more 'real'
    Eliza Madrigal: what do you think, Bert?
    Bertram Jacobus: what is not to be understood from that qt please ?
    Zen Arado: he had enlightenment already
    Zen Arado: but not a woman:)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Liza Deischer: I have no idea what he meant, but then, you never know :-)
    Qt Core: why he choose the woman
    Bertram Jacobus: i think, that he was simply serious and very aware - may be he knew, he is not so far yet ... and we all may not be. buddhas last temptations were girls and warriors ... as the legend tells ...
    Zen Arado: ah yes
    Liza Deischer: buddhist last tempatations is being attracted too
    Zen Arado: the temptations of Mara
    Bertram Jacobus: and i can´t help to associate nudity with sexual aspects - find that simply natural
    Liza Deischer: attachement
    Bertram Jacobus: and there are nice and not nice aspects with all that. and in the end - said it before - relative
    Liza Deischer: anger is more easy to overcome
    Eliza Madrigal: Well..... sex itself isn't attachment is it...
    Zen Arado: I find certain clothing more sexually alluring than nudity
    Liza Deischer: oh Eliza, most of the time it is
    Qt Core: agree with Zen
    Bertram Jacobus: lol zen :-)
    Liza Deischer: because most of the time desire is a big part of it
    Eliza Madrigal: think it is just sex... like having dinner... part of natural life
    Bertram Jacobus: for the text of you before ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: think people worrying about sex is attachment...
    Bertram Jacobus: (have to read ... did miss a lot now while writing - continue re read) ... ;-)
    Liza Deischer: oh but dinner is most of the time attachement to
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Liza Deischer: reflects attachement
    Eliza Madrigal: yes...indeed... we all don't know where to stop
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Liza Deischer: no, and we only want to eat things that we like
    Sonia Tehani: i live you guys, for me it's tired, was nice to stay with you for a while, hope you'll have a nice day :-9
    Liza Deischer: looking forward to the next meal
    Eliza Madrigal: (sorry, think I'm in a silly mood today... day started talking about what a chicken's life is like)
    Zen Arado: but it is also a natural desire like hunger
    Liza Deischer: and so on and so on
    Zen Arado: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Sonia :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Sonia :)
    Sonia Tehani: bye everybody :-9
    Zen Arado: bye Sonia
    Liza Deischer: oh yes, but not all eating is attachement
    Qt Core: bye sonia, sleep well
    Liza Deischer: but to the most of us it sadly is :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, eating can be awareness...
    Liza Deischer: she says with a smile
    Bertram Jacobus: bye sonia ...
    Eliza Madrigal: Some of my most 'mindful' and appreciative moments have been dwelling with a meal.... appreciating flavors, etc... waking
    Liza Deischer: eating is a way to get to know the concept of awareness
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Liza Deischer: but the awareness can show a lot of attachement
    SophiaSharon Larnia: again physical
    Zen Arado: mindful eating is a good practice
    Liza Deischer: awareness is not the same as not being attached
    Eliza Madrigal: yes indeed, physicality
    Liza Deischer: most of the time it is about the discovery of attachement
    Zen Arado: what is sex addiction then?
    Zen Arado: I wonder about that
    Liza Deischer: every addiction is attachement clearly
    Zen Arado: but they dont talk about food addiction
    Liza Deischer: most buddhist feel like they are doing worse after a few years of practice
    Liza Deischer: but actually they get more aware
    Zen Arado: yes agree Liza
    Liza Deischer: and that maybe is the answer to what the teacher of Bertram said
    Qt Core: bulemy, zen
    Liza Deischer: the teacher betram was talking about
    Liza Deischer: not talking about food addiction?
    Zen Arado: bulemy?
    Liza Deischer: there is a lot of food addiction going around
    Eliza Madrigal: a sense of never being satisfied can be addressed by people in many ways... food, sex, internet...
    Liza Deischer: not only that, most of us cary more wait then we should
    Zen Arado: hungry ghosts?
    Liza Deischer: attachement is a very subtle thing
    Qt Core: hi Hitman
    Zen Arado: Hi Hitman
    Liza Deischer: I guess we all have the hungry ghost in us
    Zen Arado: trying to fill a hole in ourselves as Eliza said
    Qt Core: hit and run...
    Eliza Madrigal nods... hungry ghosts... why the TSK and 'be decisive' discussions are interesting I think... that they point to a kind of satisfaction available wherever we are....
    Liza Deischer: for the ones who don't know, those a creatures with a very small mouth and a big stomach
    Zen Arado: a hole that isn't really there
    Eliza Madrigal: (for instance there is a satisfaction to be had in the pauses every 15 minutes ;-)
    Liza Deischer: yes, maybe even a psychological hole, instead of a physical one
    Eliza Madrigal: TSK calls it a kind of 'grazing on space'
    Zen Arado: yes Liza
    SophiaSharon Larnia: indeed
    Liza Deischer: even meditation can be a big attachement
    Zen Arado: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: that we can reorient ourselves though, from a place of coming from satisfaction into whatever we are doing....
    Eliza Madrigal: taking the breath first, before engaging... or dipping in and out of the pauses with attention...
    Liza Deischer: because every attachement has its boundaries
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, yes
    Eliza Madrigal: can be exhausted
    Liza Deischer: everything you long for, can also become to much
    Liza Deischer: we can be attached to food
    Liza Deischer: to the point that it is making us sick
    Liza Deischer: attachement means that it is about something that is never going to make you happy forever
    Liza Deischer: and then we start to focus on something different
    Zen Arado: but we use food and sx to try to fill up a perceived emptiness in us
    Liza Deischer: yes
    Zen Arado: they say that is why diets fail
    Bertram Jacobus: i would more say - it´s a kind of "being misleaded" zen -
    Zen Arado: you have to sort out the need that causes us to overeat first
    Eliza Madrigal: well the second one says 'eat less" the desire to eat more arises
    Eliza Madrigal: So maybe one desire can be countered by another instead?
    Liza Deischer: :-) yes
    Eliza Madrigal: heart desires
    Eliza Madrigal: inner avatars :)
    Zen Arado: think the answer is to find what void we have created in ourselves
    Zen Arado: that we think we have to fill
    Liza Deischer: that is the first question and gives you tools on a psychological level
    Bertram Jacobus: and the original , pure power in all that i see in the developement, evolution, going towards enlightenment - as ever one likes to call it
    Zen Arado: just thinking here
    Zen Arado: probably wrong :)
    Liza Deischer: you can use desire, but in the end you need to let it go
    Liza Deischer: it is interesting, because you can use negative emotions
    Liza Deischer: to overcome those
    Zen Arado: but we can enjoy our food and sex
    Liza Deischer: of course
    Zen Arado: must be able to use them properly
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. but before enlightenment may be distraction, detour
    Zen Arado: not as trying to fulfill some psychological need as well
    Liza Deischer: but I guess we all know how  closed we are and very egoistic coming to the point you are about to have a orgasm
    Bertram Jacobus: proper use would be fine :-9
    Zen Arado: selfish you mean?
    Bertram Jacobus: ah - the ugly nine again ! go away ! ;o)
    Eliza Madrigal: So seems one might use that moment for real practice.. hahaha....
    Liza Deischer: selfish ok
    Liza Deischer: if you can Eliza :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: no liza. i disagree : wanting to have it for both, all ... can also be a disposition
    Liza Deischer: then it would be a great practice I suppose
    Zen Arado: this is an Adult session Sharon :)
    Liza Deischer: the intention changes along the way
    Liza Deischer: you can start of to have pleasure and giving pleasure
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles... I'm losing half of what is being said
    Liza Deischer: but at that moment, you really don't want to be distracted by anything
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i think
    Zen Arado: seems there is as much giving as taking to me
    Liza Deischer: every moment is a new moment and have is own intentions
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: What a nice thought to get going on....
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks everyone
    Eliza Madrigal: Fun topic :) Bye for now
    Zen Arado: bye Eliza :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i appeciate your / our very constructive handling this topic (!) ... great
    Liza Deischer: bye Eliza
    Qt Core: bye Eliza
    Bertram Jacobus: bye eliza
    Eliza Madrigal nods At Bert :) Thank you!
    Liza Deischer: have fun Eliza
    Liza Deischer: :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye eliza
    Liza Deischer: and the rest of us
    Zen Arado: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eliza :)
    Liza Deischer: it doesn't mean btw that sex is bad
    Liza Deischer: that is not what I mean
    Liza Deischer: but it is interesting if you start to look closely to what happens
    Bertram Jacobus: no. hadn´t understood you like that at all liza
    Liza Deischer: what is coming up
    Zen Arado: we wouldn't believe you anyway Liza :)
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe ;-)
    Liza Deischer: ok :-)
    Liza Deischer: as eating is of course also something we should be keeping on doing :-)))))
    Zen Arado: think I'll call and see Moon :)
    Liza Deischer: I just read your line Zen :-))))))))
    Zen Arado: bye everyone
    Liza Deischer: bye Zen
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Zen
    Qt Core: bye Zen
    Liza Deischer: I'm going too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye all, have to go :)
    Bertram Jacobus feels now satisfied . all clear with this - great sights and views on it (even when this remark may be a repeat, partly)
    Bertram Jacobus: bye all
    Qt Core: bye Liza, Sophia
    Liza Deischer: c u
    Bertram Jacobus: leaving persons :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, good night everyone
    Qt Core: wondering how would be to go around (in sl) barechest with the pab symbol tatooed ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: that means ? naked ? only a tatoo ? ;-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: night
    Bertram Jacobus: lol. try it ! :o)
    Qt Core: noo, only pants barechest, not fully nacked
    Bertram Jacobus: if you´re interested in :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. pants. okay
    Bertram Jacobus: that is really one of big advantages : we can try all that out
    Bertram Jacobus: here
    Bertram Jacobus: on sl
    Qt Core: i don't think i will ever be at ease naked, not even here in sl
    Bertram Jacobus: i see ... but with partners ...
    Bertram Jacobus: or our wifes ? ...
    Bertram Jacobus: heyyyy arabella !
    arabella Ella: Hiya Bert, Qt!
    Bertram Jacobus: thought today about you - in the last hour ! :-))
    arabella Ella: how r u both?
    Qt Core: hi ara!
    arabella Ella: reallly?
    Bertram Jacobus: yess ! because - "so long" not seen :-))
    arabella Ella: I got back from a vacation in Spain today and went to a concert tonite
    Bertram Jacobus: (for sl relations lol) :-)
    arabella Ella: so i have been away from SL for a week yes!
    Qt Core: surviving, had a not so nice day plagued by a bad dream
    Bertram Jacobus: the more happy to see you now ! :-)
    arabella Ella smiles
    Qt Core: nice things ara
    arabella Ella: thanks I feel relaxed after a vacation
    Bertram Jacobus: great ... all fine here too ...
    arabella Ella: how did you have a dream during the day Qt?
    Qt Core: no, just before awaking in the morning, but it leaved a bad feeling for all day
    Bertram Jacobus: ,ay all bad feelings wiped out as soon as possible ! ... ;-)
    arabella Ella: oh nooo .... and do you remember the details? is it connected to the holidays? i always forget the details before i get out of bed!
    Bertram Jacobus: (i take a coffee brb )
    arabella Ella: ok
    Qt Core: yes, basically i murdered one of my uncles, buried it in a beach (?!) outside my home and then i was worrying for days about how to make the murder seem an home accident
    Qt Core: and that angst followed me all day
    arabella Ella: yes i can understand what you mean ... quite a complicated dream scenario IMHO
    arabella Ella: but it could mean many other things you know
    Bertram Jacobus: you´re humble ara ? ;o)
    arabella Ella: yes Bert very humble ... had you not noticed ... smile!
    Bertram Jacobus: haha :-)
    Qt Core: i dream rarely, but when i do it just before awaking they are always very complicated and absurd i usually awoke as i refuse to continue the absurdities
    arabella Ella feels even more humble ...
    Bertram Jacobus: "love you dear" :-)
    arabella Ella: thanks!!!
    Bertram Jacobus: love many here i "must admit" ...
    arabella Ella: yes Qt but it is amazing you still remember the details ... and i guess you remember even the finer details too
    Bertram Jacobus: so many nice persons here ! ... really a gift ...
    arabella Ella: yes Bert , I understand too!
    Qt Core: :-)
    Qt Core: yes, ara i leaved out a few
    arabella Ella: i am sure you left out more then simply a few details Qt
    arabella Ella: but the feeling i get is ... if I may ...
    Bertram Jacobus: (still runing between kitchen and here, because of the coffee) ... ;-)
    Qt Core: go on ara
    arabella Ella: that you may have recently had some sort of embarrasing or accidental experience
    arabella Ella: which makes you feel bad
    arabella Ella: and you are trying to see how to make more sense of it
    arabella Ella: it may have to do with work or with family ... difficult to tell
    Qt Core: well, i have a few thinks i have to do and lazy around not doing them and then there was a couple car accident near my workplace with dead and injured
    Qt Core: things
    arabella Ella: ah so even the car accidents could have been a huge influence in your dreams
    arabella Ella: i often have very weird and absurd dreams too before i wake up
    arabella Ella: but as i said i forget most of them
    Bertram Jacobus: my dreams are mostly quite normal, nearly boring - okay - not really - always feel nice anyhow. but forget them mostly also very quickly
    Bertram Jacobus: nad mostly i don´t remember anything
    arabella Ella: yes but that's nice Bert as many people it seems have very scarey and absurd dreams
    Qt Core: mee too, sadly not this time ;-)
    Bertram Jacobus: bit more in the last months - hm ... :-)
    Bertram Jacobus: but qt - when they are mostly also more nice dream s- wonderful, isn´t it ?
    arabella Ella: it is likely that dreams often have meanings but sometimes they are just the remnants of what happened to us recently
    Bertram Jacobus: i have the impression, it´s a sort of "regulation" - may be that´s a platitude, but am really not very close with this topic - sry
    arabella Ella: i sometimes wish we could choose our dream topics
    Bertram Jacobus: sure. the lucid dreaming people work with this wish ara i guess
    arabella Ella: like for example i could choose to dream about Pandora
    Bertram Jacobus: but i fear such. don´t want to "bother" the natural ways of going
    arabella Ella: yes Bert I guess they do ... they explained it a bit the other day but i still cant get my dreams the way i wish them to be
    arabella Ella: altho i would then eliminate all my scarey dreams
    Bertram Jacobus: the natural ways of dreaming ... don´t want to manipulate
    arabella Ella: perhaps the question really is
    arabella Ella: which are the dreams really and which is reality?
    arabella Ella: and what is reality anyway?
    Bertram Jacobus: would fear that in the end might be even worse, late reactions may be and such
    arabella Ella: yes Bert I see what you mean ... it is a sort of natural outlet too to dream
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. on the other hand : we may act ... hm
    Bertram Jacobus: may be simply my personal feeling
    Bertram Jacobus: without the idea would be general fact
    Qt Core: i go with the idea that they are "remnants" of previous day mental activity, almost randomly assembled and to wich the mind try to give a reasonable meaning
    Bertram Jacobus: but not only previous day (?) - all past may come into the dreams (?) ... for sure : the recent things more ... (?)
    arabella Ella: yes ... I'm afraid I must go get some sleep as have had long day and am so exhausted now! Happy Easter to all! And sweet dreams too!
    Bertram Jacobus: ty ara was nice having met you ,a lso for short ! :-)
    Qt Core: happy easter, ara, sleep well
    Bertram Jacobus: whaow. THAT was fast ;-)
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