2010.04.04 01:00 - We Like a Middle Path

The Guardian for this meeting was Susi Alcott. The comments are by Susi Alcott.

Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Susi Alcott: good morning Cal
Calvino Rabeni: Hi Susi!
Bertram Jacobus: hey good morning susi and cal ! :-)
Susi Alcott: good morning Bert
Calvino Rabeni: :) Bertram
Bertram Jacobus: your tag is pink cal ! how can that be ? :-)
Calvino Rabeni: I have no clue about that :)
Bertram Jacobus: strange ... as sometimes in sl ... ;-)
Susi Alcott: you see it as pink yourself also ?
Calvino Rabeni: I see white
Susi Alcott: ok; as I also see it as pink
Bertram Jacobus: hehe
Bertram Jacobus: different karmic glasses ... ;-)
Susi Alcott: lol
Susi Alcott: well...my dictionary gives me an intersting explonation to your title Bert
Susi Alcott: that you'de inherited power
Bertram Jacobus: whaow - let me know please ? :-)
Bertram Jacobus: ah. whaow *blush a bit*
Susi Alcott: in other words; to be a prince
Bertram Jacobus: but ... i found that word / "title" by myself; it didn´t exist before or was not known by anybody ...
Bertram Jacobus: i searched for it for many years ...
Susi Alcott: ahaa
Susi Alcott: ...and...what meaning you have to that word ?
Bertram Jacobus: heils - means healing , and wegler maens a person which goes along all path , which help to heal ...
Bertram Jacobus: could also be "follower of love" - in english, may be
Susi Alcott: ahhhh
Bertram Jacobus: so weg is path and wegler an ancient form of constructing words, in this case somebody who is on a path or on pathes ...
Susi Alcott: to me the word wegler gives 'heat'/'intensity'/passion
Susi Alcott: **
Bertram Jacobus: even many germans ask me what the name would mean ... ;-)
Susi Alcott: understand
Susi Alcott: maybe I'de need to change the language to which my dictionary translates :)
Bertram Jacobus: yes ! you are right with your feeling susi ! : in ancient times may be religious peopel had such parts of nemes in their titles ...
Susi Alcott: and from
Calvino Rabeni: :)
Susi Alcott: as far as I know, your more than right
Bertram Jacobus: and i´m writing like a horse again *gr* ... ;o)
Susi Alcott: grins
Susi Alcott: good morning Qt
Bertram Jacobus: heyy qt - good morning ! :-)
Qt Core: hi all, good morning
--BELL--
Susi Alcott: ah yes; I have not so much knowledge of the meanings of them names, but for example I know that Mary Madelene means 'great mirror'
Susi Alcott: and that most of the names for example to people in the bible are prefer titels than names
Bertram Jacobus: yes ... the mirror idea ... i do not know many persons which can give that , but experienced some, who could do that at least a bit or at least i could see a bit of that, felt kind of being allowed to see - (am thankful for that)
Susi Alcott: and that happened in Finland 'back then', when there was not yet Finland existing, that swedish officers started to give last names to people in Finland
Susi Alcott: and most of them names was given based on one's profession
Susi Alcott: so; as I expected Qt you also to appear, I now want to bring Moon's greetings
Qt Core: ohh, nice
Susi Alcott: as he asked me to back up him cuz he's not so well yet and this would've been so early for him to come
Susi Alcott: but he's much better than he was
Bertram Jacobus: i talked to him yesterday shortly as i saw him online - was happy to read that he said , worst had been passed
Bertram Jacobus: but will need some more weeks to get healthy completely again - so he said *make good wishes for him* ...
Susi Alcott: yes
Bertram Jacobus: so it´s very interesting for me - again and again - how much some share here also their rl exoperiences ...
Susi Alcott: hm
Susi Alcott: do you Bert take SL to be an other life than RL ?
Qt Core: well, for me rl and sl are two commonn name, as work/home, or when just tsaying the pub or the square you know which pub/square you are mentioning, lifi is just the same in bith places
Susi Alcott: or someway outside from RL ?
Bertram Jacobus: the most intense experience of that kind was one person who died, she was a partner of somebody and they both had been here, he is still and gave, according to her wish, a good bye party then here for her (!) ... was very emotional in a very good way to me to read the invitation - didn´t know the so well, was not there, but ... the text of that card ... whaow
Qt Core: (still hating the too small typing area)
Susi Alcott: recalls on person who said after the first friend lost to so called death, that 'one dont think death to come in SL)
Bertram Jacobus: and no - in contrary : would like more to call the here so called rl fl - for first life, because i also see it like you both described it ...
Susi Alcott: the whole thought was horrible to him...
Bertram Jacobus: for me this is all okay ...
Bertram Jacobus: sometimes sad, for sure, but okay ...
Qt Core: i had a chat friend, one of my best chat fried dieing and it hit me more then most death i saw in my life, and i never met her in rl
Susi Alcott: ah yes; many people are in SL even 'in secrecy' from there couple, and takes SL to be 'the outside world'...like they could genuinly split there self...which imo is the complete illusion/lie
Bertram Jacobus feels qts statement, better : the feelings in it ...
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Bertram Jacobus: whaow °! qts tag also pink - mine susi ? which colour please ? ;-)
Qt Core: pink tag ?
Susi Alcott: I see your tag as green
--BELL--
Susi Alcott: ah yes Qt; we see your and Cal's tag as pink
Qt Core: are you in the new viewer, you can choose tag/chat bubble color
Susi Alcott: I use Emerald and have not done anything such settings
Qt Core: i see them in a quite dull gray
Qt Core: have to do something about it ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: ah - then that may be emerald which shows the net 2.0 viewer in this way - do you use that qt and cal ? ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: new*
Qt Core: yes, new one for me
Calvino Rabeni: Now I am wishing to see the tags in color - and before that I was perfectly happy
Bertram Jacobus: cal also - using the 2.0 viewer ?
Qt Core: ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: awww srrryyy ;o)
Susi Alcott: how do you Bert see my tag ?
Calvino Rabeni: I have the 2.0 viewer, yes
Calvino Rabeni: :)
Bertram Jacobus: then that will it be i guesss : i see susi green as all emerald users
Qt Core: it is fun when you discover that you really need something you didn't even knew existed seconds before ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: and cal - when qt says you can change it ... ;-)
Bertram Jacobus: lol or suffering ;o)
Susi Alcott: btw Bert; how do you see your own tag; I see mine as yellow
Bertram Jacobus: same here susi
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Bertram Jacobus: <3
Calvino Rabeni: I can change the bubble color as seen by myself
Susi Alcott: well; think that there is much things that are nice to appear and people shall miss them if they disappear
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Susi Alcott: recalles the man who called and said; "So this is how to be well !!!!!"
Bertram Jacobus: i was teached (?) taught /(?) , that appreciating would go like that : do, if actual, don´t mind when it apsses away again
Susi Alcott: even he had not known himself to be ill at all...had taken all his pains to be 'natural to older man'....
Susi Alcott: understand sure, that when even health is lost so that there's no healing....
Bertram Jacobus: yess and btw : i felt much support from you susi (!) ...
Susi Alcott: wanna hear a story ?
Calvino Rabeni: +Yes :)
Bertram Jacobus: yes please
Qt Core: sure
Susi Alcott: there was once that I could keep my mouth;
Susi Alcott: there was a meeting; several 85 year old ladies
Susi Alcott: they had many kind of illnesses and most of them was a widow
Bertram Jacobus: (and from moon and from star and from cosma and from pab and all the members) ... (feel support) ...
Calvino Rabeni: :) Bert
Bertram Jacobus: :-)
Susi Alcott: one wondered that how they have only resign to not to care of there illnesses
Susi Alcott: the other asked;
Susi Alcott: "What else could've we been done ?"
Susi Alcott: so the question stayed in the air ...
Susi Alcott: but I thought of those many old and even younger people, who never did that; ignored there illnesses
Susi Alcott: but turned to be bitter and claimed many things included doctors that cannot help them at all
Qt Core: everytime i hear about old people and the verb to resign i think about this lovely lady: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rita_Levi-Montalcini
Bertram Jacobus: *click*
Susi Alcott: but the silence that landed among us for that question
Susi Alcott: was warm and gave ease to there pains
Susi Alcott: cuz they all could notice that they have just continued there life the best possible way
Susi Alcott: end of the story
Qt Core: (she is still working )
--BELL--
Bertram Jacobus: yes : one of the big insights : makin always the best out of all
Bertram Jacobus: i heared a story of the dalai lama and another so to say "great rinpoche" (think it was dilgo khyentse) : they sat together in a garden once, half an hour saying nothing and then one of them said : and that thing over there, one calls "tree" - and both laughed very much about it spontaneously ... :-)
Susi Alcott: rooooooooooofl
Bertram Jacobus: :-)))
Qt Core: brb
Susi Alcott: long time ago here in PaB there was a person who expressed how one needs to trust to the one to share own wounds/probs....
Susi Alcott: I've noticed in my life, that it's more difficult for people to trust the other so much, that can enjoy of the sound of the silence with him/her/them...
Bertram Jacobus: both can be intense ... hm :-)
Bertram Jacobus: and i made some experiences with silent people especially from the spiritual kinds ... ;-)
Qt Core: outside of pab i don't even like silence whan alone and even less if in company
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Bertram Jacobus: that´s interesting ! and here you can appreciate it qt !? :-)
Qt Core: yes, almost coming here for that
Bertram Jacobus: whaow. how nice
Susi Alcott: just thought how wonderfull moments I've experienced within silence with Qt
Bertram Jacobus: so it gives really something to you ...
Bertram Jacobus: as to me ... may be as for all of us ...
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Qt Core: :-) lovely and weird at the same time as i am a wordy person
Bertram Jacobus: for everybody a bit of that what he or she may be missed before ...
Bertram Jacobus: may have missed*
Bertram Jacobus: but the buddha said , it would be the "path of the middle" , whcich would lead to freedom - is convincing for me and so ...
Bertram Jacobus: talkin and silence will help
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Calvino Rabeni: I wish to follow the middle path
Bertram Jacobus: me too. it´s a wonderful orientation for the relative life or stage
--BELL--
Susi Alcott: ...in Finland it's been always expensive to use phone; so often I've needed to help the caller to notice that one is allowed to 'call' also even if cannot speak...
Susi Alcott: and the sound of silence has brought the ease and that's helped the needed words to rise
Susi Alcott: sometimes it's been 'only' thank you with tone of complete releaf
Bertram Jacobus: same here. nicely said susi : silence helps good words to arise
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Qt Core: as they don't have to fight with useless ones
Bertram Jacobus: yess
Bertram Jacobus: i love this relaxed form of talk here and now very much
Qt Core: :)
Bertram Jacobus: and have to visit my mother now, very soon, she needs help ...
Calvino Rabeni: sometimes the words will set someone's mind at ease, even if they are not about anything - they feel better to hear the sound
Susi Alcott: ah yes Cal
Susi Alcott: enjoy your day Bert
Calvino Rabeni: Take care, Bert
Bertram Jacobus: THIS was a really nice talk - ty all !
Bertram Jacobus: may all beings be happy please ...
Qt Core: thank you , bye
Susi Alcott: thank you for been here
Calvino Rabeni: _/!\_
Susi Alcott: thank you Qt
Qt Core: time to go finalize lunch
Calvino Rabeni: I had a lot of talk earlier today- this time in the PaB circle it feels good to relax
--BELL--
Susi Alcott: bon apetit Qr
Susi Alcott: Qt
Qt Core: :-) there was a time when i believed we all had pur daily amount of words to say :-)
Susi Alcott: _/!\_
Calvino Rabeni: There are days I see no one, and others where it is talk all day long :)
Qt Core: bye all, have fun
Calvino Rabeni: Be well, Qt
Susi Alcott: bfn Qt