2010.04.05 07:00 - Wrestling with an alligator (as well as with a title for this log)

The Guardian for this meeting was Eden Haiku. The comments are by Eden Haiku.

"Very slow going this morning"

Eden Haiku: Good morning Yaku!
Yakuzza Lethecus: do you have that poetry group in sl or in RL ?
Liza Deischer: hi Yaku, Eden
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey liza
Eden Haiku: Totempoetry you mean Yakuzza?
Eden Haiku: Hello Eliza, good morning :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, you have many poetry groups ?
Liza Deischer: good morning...eh...afternoon
Liza Deischer: :_)
Eden Haiku: Liza, I mean, sorry :)
Liza Deischer: oh, no problem, didn't even see it
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bleu
Liza Deischer: sometimes I get lost myself
Eden Haiku: With the new viewer, more difficult to recognize people :)
Liza Deischer: hi Bleu
Bleu Oleander: hi everyone
Liza Deischer: more difficult?
Eden Haiku: Good morning Bleu :)
Liza Deischer: I don't have that experience
Yakuzza Lethecus: i think i get used to it slowly
Yakuzza Lethecus: but i can't see the coordinates where i am and how high
Eden Haiku: Maybe not really more difficult, just getting used to it yes.
Liza Deischer: oh that is in prefs
Liza Deischer: have been looking for it too :-)
Liza Deischer: and of course I can't find it anymore :-)
Eden Haiku: I changed the chat window in preferences, now it is much easier,
Eden Haiku: Yes, Yaku, I'm part of poetry groups in SL and in RL I attend many poetry events too.
Liza Deischer: yes, you didn't saw the tags any more
Zen Arado: Hi all
Bleu Oleander: hi Eliza
Liza Deischer: Hi Zen, Eliza
Bleu Oleander: hi Zen
Zen Arado: Hi Eliza :)
Eden Haiku: hello Zen, and elisabethan Eliza!
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey zen, eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu, Eden, Ya, Liza, and Zen :)
Eliza Madrigal is just waking up... can't believe it... so late :)

--BELL--

Liza Deischer: hmm, sounds very relaxing Eliza
Bleu Oleander: cute cat Zen
Liza Deischer: (World, Show, Coordinates)
Eden Haiku: I overslept also Eliza. Just woke up too ;)
Zen Arado: yes thought she was going to drown there :)
Bleu Oleander: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Sweet, Zen :)
Eliza Madrigal: Really Eden? Maybe something in the air...
Eliza Madrigal: Actually, I took cold tablets last night, which i never do :)
Eden Haiku: Some chocolate OD maybe? (in my case, it was.. : )
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Widget :)
Widget Whiteberry: gm
Eden Haiku: Hello Widget!
Widget Whiteberry: smiles
Bleu Oleander: hi Widget
Zen Arado: Hi Widget :)
Liza Deischer: hi widget
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey widget
Widget Whiteberry: has a focus emerged yet?
Zen Arado: a focus?
Eden Haiku: Not yet, you are welcome to suggest one Widget.
Eliza Madrigal: Oh no... very slow going this morning I think :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: and hey bertram and fay
Bertram Jacobus: hy everybody ... :-)
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bert and Fay :)
Widget Whiteberry blinks and grins
Liza Deischer: hi Betram and fay
Eden Haiku: Hello Bertram!
Zen Arado: Hi Bert, Fay:)
Fay Yedmore: hi all
Eden Haiku: And Fay, welcome,
Bleu Oleander: hi Bert and Fay
Bertram Jacobus: ty for the as always so warm welcome - and please, don't feel distracted (!) ... ty ...
Zen Arado: bought some CD's from Itunes
Zen Arado: but they won't back up
Zen Arado: will figure it out
Zen Arado: hopefully
Zen Arado: takes so much time
Liza Deischer: sorry, can't help you
Eden Haiku: What do you mean Zen, you can't import them on your computer?
Zen Arado: no I have them downloaded
Eden Haiku: Yes and then?
Zen Arado: and I know what to do to back up
Zen Arado: but nothing happens when I press the back up button
Eden Haiku: To save them?
Zen Arado: no just back up in case anything goes wrong with computer
Zen Arado: maybe I will just burn to a disc
Eden Haiku: Ah yes, sorry, I don't know either,
Zen Arado: if you have a lot of stuff on Itunes it is best to back up
Liza Deischer: you have Time Machine?
Zen Arado: or you lose the lot if your hard drive fails
Zen Arado: no Liza?
Liza Deischer: if you connect an external harddisk to your iMac, he will back up everything every hour or so
Liza Deischer: I think Time Machine is default to a Mac
Liza Deischer: so you never need to worry about that again
Zen Arado: I have a PC
Eden Haiku: No you have to buy the Time Machine and it is rather expensive but it is worth it. I plan to get one.
Liza Deischer: ah, not mac?
Zen Arado: nope
Liza Deischer: I thought so because you mentioned ITunes
Zen Arado: it runs on PCs too
Liza Deischer: mistaken there m sorry
Liza Deischer: oh, new to me :-)
Widget Whiteberry: please excuse me, I need to take care of something
Eden Haiku: What about ok
Zen Arado: maybe they make it so it doesn't work so well on PCs
Liza Deischer: bye Widget
Zen Arado: bye Widget
Zen Arado: being cynical
Bertram Jacobus: was too fast for me to say goodbye - so for the log ;-) : bye widget :o)
Liza Deischer: or Windows hasn;t put enough time into it
Liza Deischer: but whatever it is, it doesn't seem that we are able to help you :-)
Zen Arado: it's ok
Zen Arado: :)
Bertram Jacobus: but at least the cat is nice ! ;-)
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
Liza Deischer: :-))
Zen Arado: yes gettin fond of her :)
Zen Arado: not sure what to call her though :)

--BELL--

Zen Arado: but not meep :)
Liza Deischer: the cat won't let me touch her :-)
Fay Yedmore: ppl i will leave you need to go rl
Fay Yedmore: bye bye
Liza Deischer: bye Fay
Eden Haiku: Soory, I have been distracted ;)
Eliza Madrigal: Zen, perhaps she would benefit from a zenish name like Dogenita
Eliza Madrigal: heh
Zen Arado: ha ha
Eliza Madrigal: something to remind you to practice...
Eden Haiku: smiles
Liza Deischer: :-)
Eliza Madrigal: Or something to help you to remember to be light with yourself...

The new Working Group (see the Guardians meeting log at http://bit.ly/cWyanB)

Eden Haiku: Thank you Eliza for committing to the coordination job in the Working Group for another three months.
Liza Deischer: a cat that likes water :-)
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, Eden. That's sweet of you :)
Zen Arado: yes Eliza
Eden Haiku: So Storm will still be responsible of the platform and Eos of the retreats?
Eliza Madrigal: You're welcome. I've learned a lot thus far, so in that way and others I'm well rewarded for my time.. feel rather priveledged to be able to do it :)
Eliza Madrigal: Storm is inworld... which includes all that Storm does, which is impossible to define fully! :)
Eden Haiku: Pema, Maxine and Genesis stepping out Bleu, Calvino stepping in.
Eliza Madrigal: Calvino will be taking the platform role, which includes vitalizing the wiki
Eliza Madrigal: or rather coordinating of that... many involved in that
Eliza Madrigal: wayyyyy over my head :)
Bertram Jacobus: (really nice kitty) :-))
Eliza Madrigal: but its really needed... think everyone agrees that the way the wiki reads needs work :)
Eden Haiku: Oh and Sophia Sharon with the Chronicles.
Eden Haiku: That is great: thank you guys!
Eliza Madrigal: Thank you Eden :))
Eliza Madrigal: I hope that everyone will generate ideas and be involved though... would be a shame if people felt the wg being in place was somehow ... hm...
Eliza Madrigal: a signal that everyone's energy wasn't deeply needed
Liza Deischer: is that the experience in the last 6 months?
Eliza Madrigal: for instance, when I came back from the wg meeting recently, I was so amazed that you and bleu and zen and ya, and well, everyone, had gotten on board with Art of Being... that it was rolling along...
Eden Haiku: Oh sure Eliza. But that is good to know that the basis is taken care of.
Eliza Madrigal: felt like I wasn't 'needed' here.... all the logs were posted....
Eliza Madrigal: was simply thrilled :)
Eliza Madrigal: Liza, which experience? my learning?
Liza Deischer: no, I mean, you said: would be a shame if people felt the wg being in place was somehow ... hm... [07:37] Eliza Madrigal: a signal that everyone's energy wasn't deeply needed
Eliza Madrigal: The last 6 months have been a lot of pema showing what was needed behind the scenes....
Eliza Madrigal: what he was doing automatically
Liza Deischer: only being here for a few months, I don't now what happened before
Eliza Madrigal: Ah :) yes that makes sense
Liza Deischer: so I was wondering if people backed off a bit in the last few months
Liza Deischer: feeling everything is already aranged
Bertram Jacobus: (brb)
Eliza Madrigal: Ooooh
Eliza Madrigal: No, actually that's what I mean... it does seem to have been the case that there is a feeling of even more layers of support for things...
Eliza Madrigal: which is *great*
Liza Deischer: ah, okay
Liza Deischer: you meant the opposite :-)
Eliza Madrigal: yes , guess so:))
Liza Deischer: or I misunderstoood, never mind :-)
Eliza Madrigal: I think there was concern in the beginning that it would be the opposite... maybe why I qualified it in the beginning
Liza Deischer: ok
Eden Haiku: It is always amazing to me to see how the GoC slots are filled when people cannot make it.
Eliza Madrigal: yes, me too.... very generous

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: There is something about pab which makes one want to contribute/participate.. get one's hands into the practical part of things...
Eden Haiku: Lately, I haven't been able to help with that and was relieved to see that new guardians were stepping in. It feels that PaB is a very healthy organization, very much alive. With much new blood.
Eliza Madrigal: maybe because our topics are sometimes so lofty :)
Eliza Madrigal: Yes, Eden. Indeed
Zen Arado: or so silly :)
Eliza Madrigal: yes, that too. hah
Eliza Madrigal: lofty silly deep.. wide range
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Liza Deischer: cattisch, not to forget :-)
Zen Arado: miaow ;)
Eliza Madrigal: In all seriousness though, when I am processing something abstract or hm... beyond me... it helps to wash dishes, or do practical things...
Eden Haiku: You cat just asked me something Zen?
Liza Deischer: :-)
Eliza Madrigal: uh oh.... he wants to talk about TSK
Eliza Madrigal: :) hahah
Eliza Madrigal: *she
Zen Arado: something she didn't quite get :)
Eliza Madrigal giggles... I know, its the grazing space part... or was it the mountain exercize?
Eden Haiku: Bye Liza
Liza Deischer: I need to get some sleep
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Liza :) Night
Liza Deischer: cu
Bertram Jacobus: bye liza ;-)
Zen Arado: bye Liza
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye liza

 

A cat and a turtle oddly lead us into a conversation about animals in the form of food!

Eden Haiku: Oh I see the cat now!
Eliza Madrigal: The cat was right in front of you before, Eden, in the pool :)
Zen Arado: it's a great animation
Eliza Madrigal: My son brought home a turtle yesterday
Zen Arado: she wanted to be petted
Eliza Madrigal: ooh, look she's curled up :)
Eden Haiku: Was it? So confused with the new viewer still...
Zen Arado: better than an alligator!
Eliza Madrigal: yes... emerald seems the way to go with viewers from what I'm hearing
Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
Eliza Madrigal: haha, yes for sure better than an alligator
Eden Haiku: But all these viewers take sapce on the computer?
Zen Arado: I saw a man wrestle with one In Florida once
Eliza Madrigal: yes, and then I guess you get rid of one when you focus on another
Zen Arado: a Seminole Indian
Bertram Jacobus: ;-)
Eden Haiku: Alligators and SL Viewers intertwined….
Zen Arado: wrestle with SL viewers is hard too
Eliza Madrigal: yes, have seen that too zen... the thing is those alligators they have for the show are sooooo domesticated :)
Eliza Madrigal: well fed :)
Zen Arado: oh
Zen Arado: disillusioned now :(
Bleu Oleander: c u later everyone .... bfn
Eliza Madrigal: they get irritated.... but well... not like running into one in the swamp I'd guess
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bleu :)
Bertram Jacobus: i wouldn't wrestle it anyway ! ;-)
Zen Arado: bye Bleu
Yakuzza Lethecus: cya bleu
Eden Haiku: Bye Bleu.
Eliza Madrigal: heheh Bert, nor would I :)
Bertram Jacobus: bye bleu ...
Zen Arado: better to avoid if hungry I suspect :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: do aligators taste so badly ?
Bertram Jacobus: lol
Zen Arado: :)
Eliza Madrigal: Before I was mostly vegetarian I'd eaten alligator...
Zen Arado: can make handbags from them :)
Bertram Jacobus: bad bad pabers ! :o)
Zen Arado: was it nice?
Eliza Madrigal: and fried is awful, but I don't like fried foods much anyway... There was once I ate it in a fancy restaurant and it was delicious!
Bertram Jacobus: bah bad*
Eden Haiku: smiles
Eliza Madrigal: sautee'd...
Eliza Madrigal: Same for frog's legs :)
Eden Haiku: @bad bad pabers@bertram
Zen Arado: gator rare :)
Bertram Jacobus decides to giggle a bit :o)
Eden Haiku: I'm French speaking BUT I do not eat frog legs!
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
Zen Arado: or snails ?
Eliza Madrigal: Nor do I anymore, but I like to try things....
Eliza Madrigal: like rattlesnake
Eden Haiku: vomiting
Eliza Madrigal: Yum
Eliza Madrigal: and yes definitely snails
Zen Arado: yuk
Eliza Madrigal: heheheh
Eliza Madrigal: heavy garlic butter
Zen Arado: better move cat before she appears on Eliza's menu :)
Eliza Madrigal: those I used to cook at home, just to annoy my mother as a teen....
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: hahahah Zen
Eliza Madrigal: She's quite safe now
Bertram Jacobus: quite ?
Eliza Madrigal: extremely :)
Eden Haiku: @Zen beware of Eliza's witch tastebuds!
Bertram Jacobus: hehe. aso :o)
Bertram Jacobus: sry - that was german :o)
Eliza Madrigal is domesticated extraordinaire these day
Yakuzza Lethecus: there was a time in germany when they left a food on the rabbit after it was slaughtered to assure that it wasn't a cat before
Eden Haiku: yakkkk
Zen Arado: a wise precaution :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Zen Arado: cats probably taste nice
Eden Haiku: So now you are 'mostly' vegetarian Eliza?
Zen Arado: nice
Eliza Madrigal: yes.... have almost given up seafood Eden
Eliza Madrigal: that's been the last thing
Zen Arado: that's the difficult one for me
Zen Arado: can't live on veggie burgers
Eden Haiku: I ate shrimps yesterday.

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: Then again I don't foresee myself ever being so strict that I would be at a party and insist one things being 'pure', no eggs/dairy, etc
Eden Haiku: On BBQ. That was delicious. Yes, same here. When invited, you have to be able to eat something...
Zen Arado: I see vegetarianism as a scale
Zen Arado: not black and white
Eliza Madrigal: just feel better when I don't eat meat... so its about being sensitive and paying attention I think
Bertram Jacobus: "ok" - i"ll leave - ty all for the nice talk and may all beings be happy please (!) ...
Eliza Madrigal nods @ Eden and Zen
Zen Arado: better to eat as little animal produce as possible though
Eden Haiku: Bye Bertram.
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Bert :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bert
Zen Arado: bye Bert
Eliza Madrigal: We live in a very wasteful society....
Eliza Madrigal: the way we package foods, etc
Eliza Madrigal: and when you think of that waste... and wasting animals like that...
Eden Haiku: Me too, even eating fish or sea food rarely, I feel different when I do,
Eliza Madrigal: well, not very appreciative
Eliza Madrigal: It isn't like in Am Indian culture where one is thankful and uses everything
Zen Arado: read an article recently that said we are more suited to vegetarian diet
Zen Arado: wew only recently evolved to eating meat
Eliza Madrigal: really? how is that possible?
Zen Arado: our digestive system
Eliza Madrigal sees image of caveman with club in his hand
Yakuzza Lethecus: nobody can say that so generally, there are culture's with a genepoole whom can't generally process milk very well, or alcohol or even meat
Eliza Madrigal: Ah
Eliza Madrigal: we have to notice our bodies personally I think
Zen Arado: yes true
Eliza Madrigal: and not be legalistic
Zen Arado: factory farming gives me horrors though
Zen Arado: and that is how most meat is produced
Eliza Madrigal: If I really wanted to eat a cheeseburger today, I'd do it. Hah... just don't want to, from paying attention to the way it makes me feel
Eden Haiku: Most Tibetans eat meat, even if they are buddhists, not just enough green in their country.
Zen Arado: I started being vegetarian from studying topic in philosophy
Eliza Madrigal: yes... definitely contextual
Zen Arado: philosophy
Eden Haiku: I was a natural. Always disliked meat.
Eliza Madrigal: So just makes sense for you then Eden
Zen Arado: 'what gives us the right to kill and eat other animals?' was the question
Yakuzza Lethecus thinks about the marinated beef he's going to be eating in 3/4 hrs :)
Eliza Madrigal: Hm, and you worked with that and felt more sensitive, Zen?
Eliza Madrigal: hehehe Yakuzza
Eliza Madrigal: Just appreciate it ! :)
Zen Arado: yes I studied the arguments
Eden Haiku: Did not like the fact that I had to eat meat when growing up (my parents thought I needed to)..
Zen Arado: yes people do think that Eden
Zen Arado: you won't get enough protein - myth
Eliza Madrigal: yes common thought
Eliza Madrigal: and truthfully, some don't
Eliza Madrigal: thus the paying attention part being important
Zen Arado: there is protein in nearly everything you eat
Zen Arado: bread , cereals
Eliza Madrigal: It must also depend on lifestyle...
Eliza Madrigal: on the type of work one does, etc
Zen Arado: the old myth is that we are superior because we have rational thought
Eden Haiku: My Dad at supper time when I was maybe 10: "Think about all these poor children in Warshaw's ghetto who had to eat rats".
Eden Haiku: Very yummy...;)))
Eliza Madrigal: Oh My
Eden Haiku: A subtle psychologist my Dad :)))
Zen Arado: ever read Peter Singer?
Eliza Madrigal: thinking about being ten and considering the world....
Eden Haiku: No, who is he?
Eliza Madrigal: Yes Zen, actually
Eliza Madrigal: I think he's at Harvard... an ethics professor
Zen Arado: he is an Australian philosopher who wrote about vegetarianism principles
Eliza Madrigal: very provoking
Zen Arado: yes
Zen Arado: he is also a utilitarian
Zen Arado: he would eat if it became necessary
Eden Haiku: Googled him, interesting...
Zen Arado: eat meat I meant
Eliza Madrigal: yes... I think I'm like that honestly.... I don't like to have too many 'no's in my life
Zen Arado: he got into trouble one time
Eliza Madrigal: how so zen?
Zen Arado: trying to remember
Eliza Madrigal: and I definitely don't want to be sitting with friends judging their food
Zen Arado: something about new born children
Eliza Madrigal: hm
Zen Arado: I will look it up sometime
Zen Arado: agree Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: I just like the way he really gets his students to think for themselves...
Eliza Madrigal: he doesn't want theoretical answers
Zen Arado: easy to become judgmental and sanctimonious
--BELL--
Eliza Madrigal: Indeed, Zen! We have to be responsible for ourselves and the moment we are in.... that's enough :)
Zen Arado: "Similar to his argument for abortion, Singer argues that newborns similarly lack the essential characteristics of personhood ” "rationality, autonomy, and self-consciousness"[17] ” and therefore "killing a newborn baby is never equivalent to killing a person, that is, a being who wants to go on living."
Eden Haiku: Winter camping with my brother years ago, he had said he was taking care of the food. But he forgot I am vegetarian. His wife had prepared a stew with meat balls. There was nothing else to eat. So I ate a bit. Spent a very cold night in a tent, hearing all the animals in the forest, not sleeping at all. A nightmare!
Zen Arado: sounds like it Eden
Eliza Madrigal: Oh My
Zen Arado: anyway I better go and heat my pizza
Eden Haiku: Killing newborns quite a nightmare too!
Zen Arado: he didn't mean it that way though I think
Eden Haiku: Will cat eat something?
Zen Arado: cats sure aren't vegetarians!
Zen Arado: pure carnivores
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Zen
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye zen
Zen Arado: let's go pussy cat
Eden Haiku: Bye Zen, enjoy your pizza!
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
Eliza Madrigal: Spose i should be productive today.... cold feels a bit better... yesterday was awful
Zen Arado: bye
Eliza Madrigal: Bye Yakuzza :)
Eden Haiku: Still cold in Florida Eliza?
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, not cold here as far as weather... but I woke with a terrible cold yesterday
Eden Haiku: Bye Yakuzza.
Eden Haiku: Oh, hope you get well soon. Take care dear Eliza :)
Eliza Madrigal: :) Yes, you too.... wonderful that you spent the holiday with your dad
Eliza Madrigal: :) (((Eden)))
Eden Haiku: Yes, we had a great easter Sunday.
Eden Haiku: (((((Eliza)))))
Eden Haiku: Dress fantastic!
Eliza Madrigal: That's beautiful :)
Eliza Madrigal: Ah, thank you... fun to wear
Eden Haiku: Gorgeous!
Eden Haiku: Bye for now!
Eliza Madrigal: I love your easter bonnet :)
Eliza Madrigal: Bye :)
Eden Haiku: Yes, thanks.