2010.04.06 13:00 - procrastination

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.

    Darren Islar: hi Lia
    Lia Rikugun: hello :)
    Lia Rikugun: hello darrenb hello zon
    Zon Quar: sometimes it takes a minute
    Zon Quar: hi Lia
    Zon Quar: and not in right order
    Darren Islar: yea and then your time is up
    Darren Islar: and you get logged off
    Lia Rikugun: hello alfred
    Alfred Kelberry: oi :)
    Zon Quar: alfred
    Darren Islar: hi Alf
    Alfred Kelberry notes lia's cute pinky tail :)
    Lia Rikugun: hehe
    Lia Rikugun: for the case an onigok ko might come up :)
    Lia Rikugun: always prepared
    Zon Quar: i dont even see all
    Lia Rikugun: oink oink!
    Alfred Kelberry: quack quack :)
    Lia Rikugun: :P
    Alfred Kelberry: seen wol around?
    Lia Rikugun: how are you all today?
    Lia Rikugun: no sorry alf
    Alfred Kelberry: i'm alright. was late for science circle though.
    Lia Rikugun: is this in SL too?

    the retreat in California is coming up

    Alfred Kelberry: em, when is the pab meeting in cali?
    Lia Rikugun: what is science circle?
    Alfred Kelberry: nymf's science circle
    Alfred Kelberry: it's in sl
    Lia Rikugun: oh ok
    Lia Rikugun: 18th to 24th of april is the retreat
    Alfred Kelberry: ok, thanks
    Lia Rikugun: http://playasbeing.wik.is/PaB_Retreats/2010-04_California
    Alfred Kelberry: are you coming?
    Lia Rikugun: here is the link
    Darren Islar: hey where is Zon?
    Lia Rikugun: i would love to :)
    Alfred Kelberry: he's gone
    Lia Rikugun: how about you guys
    Darren Islar: crashed
    Darren Islar: how about what?
    Lia Rikugun: are you going to san francisco fpor the retreat?
    Darren Islar: no
    Lia Rikugun: oh
    Lia Rikugun: well we always have SL ;)
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Lia Rikugun: welcome back zon!
    Darren Islar: wb
    Zon Quar: hope i am back
    Lia Rikugun: alfred will you be there?
    Darren Islar: yes you are
    Darren Islar: a bit grey though
    Zon Quar: crossing fingers
    Alfred Kelberry: heh, i like wol's comment on the site :)
    Alfred Kelberry: nope
    Lia Rikugun: :)
    Lia Rikugun: oh so sad
    Alfred Kelberry: silly air travel
    Lia Rikugun: you are afraid of air travel?
    Lia Rikugun: or too far away?
    Alfred Kelberry: no, it's about wol's comment :)
    Alfred Kelberry: one days saves you 1580 euros :)
    Lia Rikugun: thats crazy, :) so always worth checking all the dates
    Alfred Kelberry: yep

    the dream workshop is happening in Kira

    Darren Islar: hey Fox
    Darren Islar: don't you need to be at Kira?
    Zon Quar: fox
    Fox Monacular: Hello everyone, sorry I'll have to leave for the dream workshop
    Fox Monacular: yes, exactly
    Fox Monacular: this was the last place I logged out:)
    Darren Islar: have fun
    Darren Islar: ah
    Fox Monacular: have a good session everyone
    Alfred Kelberry: it's not like 30 euros from amsterdam to copenhagen :)
    Alfred Kelberry: oi, foxy
    Darren Islar: forgot bout the dreamworkshop
    Lia Rikugun: is it at the same time now?
    Alfred Kelberry: oh, dream workshop! i think i'll go there
    Darren Islar: I'm going to have a lok
    Darren Islar: yes, I'm afraid so
    Alfred Kelberry: you coming lia? :)
    Lia Rikugun: ok maybe see you later
    Lia Rikugun: hm i am guardian here :)
    Darren Islar: can somebody give me an lm for Kira?
    Lia Rikugun: so maybe i should stay a bit
    Alfred Kelberry: ah, ok then. sorry :)
    Alfred Kelberry: one sec, darren
    Lia Rikugun: done :)
    Lia Rikugun: kira cafe
    Lia Rikugun: i hopüe it is there
    Darren Islar: thanks lia
    Alfred Kelberry: :)
    Lia Rikugun: ok have fun
    Alfred Kelberry: thanks, you too

    zon and I were the only ones left, but zon had some problems with lag and I discover the "lag meter" for SL! :)

    Lia Rikugun: so zon it is the two of us now :)
    Zon Quar: oh sry. i was distarcted
    Zon Quar: my text
    Zon Quar: is coming
    Zon Quar: slowly
    Lia Rikugun: hey wol
    Wol Euler: hello lia, zon
    Zon Quar: does anyone
    Zon Quar: hi
    Zon Quar: or is it only me
    Zon Quar: have same problem
    Lia Rikugun: i dont have such problems today
    Lia Rikugun: for me it is normal
    Wol Euler: what was your problem, zon?
    Lia Rikugun: he can only write very slowly
    Zon Quar: my typing
    Lia Rikugun: and he had to relog as well
    Wol Euler: huh
    Zon Quar: comes in wrong order
    Zon Quar: and slowly
    Wol Euler: no, never heard of that happening
    Lia Rikugun: i had this already but few months ago
    Wol Euler: um, go to the Help menu and select "lag meter"
    Lia Rikugun: never knew what the reason was :)
    Lia Rikugun: wow my client is red
    Zon Quar: did u down load new vierwe ?
    Wol Euler: zon?
    Lia Rikugun: client frame rate below 10!!
    Lia Rikugun: no i have the old one
    Wol Euler: I'm using Emerald, so not a v2
    Lia Rikugun: oh and now network yellow
    Lia Rikugun: interesting the lag meter!!
    Wol Euler: :)
    Lia Rikugun: thank swol
    Wol Euler: yw
    Lia Rikugun: hey and we can see your red shirt now zon!
    Lia Rikugun: or i can at least
    Wol Euler: yes, just rezzed for me too
    Zon Quar: perhaps the new viewer slows things down
    Wol Euler: it didn'T for me, at least not in and of itself.
    Zon Quar: so then it must be my pc
    Wol Euler: sounds more like your home network is slow, or your PC is busy
    Wol Euler: right click on the blue bar along the bottom of the screen, choose "task manager"
    Wol Euler: go to the fourth tab, probably called somthing like "performance"
    Zon Quar: uhhuh
    Wol Euler: how's the cpu load?
    Zon Quar: hm it shows 97 %
    Wol Euler: well, no wonder :)
    Zon Quar: ?
    Zon Quar: ?
    Wol Euler: your machine is as busy as hell.
    Zon Quar: okie
    Wol Euler: how's the memory usage (the rectangle with green bars below CPU load)
    Zon Quar: straight blue line ?
    Wol Euler: left of that
    Wol Euler: stack of green lines
    Zon Quar: 1,48 gt
    Wol Euler: and is that about half green, or mostly green, or low?
    Zon Quar: half
    Wol Euler: well, the cpu load is the problem then. Your computer is too busy doing other stuff to give SL as much attention as it needs
    Zon Quar: ok, i shut things down then
    Lia Rikugun: ups he left?
    Wol Euler: I guess he's going to clean up and reboot

    Wol and I are left now :) taking about easter presents

    Lia Rikugun: so how have you been wol?
    Wol Euler: pretty well, thanks. Things are much quieter in the office now
    Wol Euler: only 10.5 hours today :)))
    Lia Rikugun: puh!!
    Lia Rikugun: so much
    Lia Rikugun: thats good
    Lia Rikugun: my text is mixed up too
    Lia Rikugun: came in the wrong order
    Lia Rikugun: you will be going to san francisco right?
    Wol Euler: yes indeed!
    Wol Euler: really looking forward to it
    Lia Rikugun: wow thats great!!
    Lia Rikugun: say hi to everybody :)
    Wol Euler smiles. Will do.
    Wol Euler: I got a wonderful present for Easter: "Oh, wie s
    Wol Euler: oh wie schoen ist panama :)
    Lia Rikugun: the book?
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: it's wonderful
    Lia Rikugun: tigerente? no wait what was this again?
    Wol Euler: the bear and the tiger set out to find Panama, the land where everything smells like bananas
    Lia Rikugun: oh yes
    Wol Euler smiles
    Lia Rikugun: i rememberd the duck on wheels :)
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Lia Rikugun: haha
    Lia Rikugun: how nice
    Lia Rikugun: so you celebrated easter and got presents! wonderful!
    Lia Rikugun: did you have to search your presents first :)
    Wol Euler: heheheh, yes, they were hidden in the garden
    Lia Rikugun: hehehe
    Wol Euler: I was in the Black Forest with my boss and his family, at his parents' house

    opening presents..

    Wol Euler: his son is keen on finding things, but hasn't yet really grasped that some presents are not for him :)
    Wol Euler: he opens everyrhing he finds
    Lia Rikugun: haha, most of the fun is to open the presents i guess
    Wol Euler: oh, yes, opening seems to be much more fun than having the contents, judging by his actions
    Lia Rikugun: the curiosity
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: the potential
    Lia Rikugun: how nice that you could celebret with your boss
    Wol Euler: like Schroedinger's cat :)
    Wol Euler: one hopes it's alive, but either state is less exciting than not knowing which it is
    Lia Rikugun: hehe
    Lia Rikugun: yes

    Wol discovers I am only wearing one earring, so I start searching in my inventory and really find the other one :) We play around with stuff we have in our inventories, A beer mug, an aura ..

    Wol Euler: have you always had that single earring, Lia?
    Lia Rikugun: hm i only have one earring?
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Lia Rikugun: i thought i had two ;)
    Wol Euler: for me at least
    Lia Rikugun: HAHA letr me check!
    Wol Euler: perhaps that's lag, because your blouse is still grey
    Lia Rikugun: ups where did it go?
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Lia Rikugun: hm confusing confusing
    Lia Rikugun: i must have lost it, but where?
    Wol Euler: it should still be in your inventory somewhere
    Lia Rikugun: :) lets see
    Lia Rikugun: HA
    Lia Rikugun: i found it
    Wol Euler cheers!
    Lia Rikugun: cheers
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: skol!
    Lia Rikugun: i had a weizenbeer before :) we had great weather here today, so waht else should i have done :)
    Lia Rikugun: hick!
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Lia Rikugun: wow cool stuff i have here
    Wol Euler: :)
    Lia Rikugun: i had an interesting experience yesterday
    Wol Euler: mmm?
    Lia Rikugun: where i went to my happy place and everything was so confusing
    Wol Euler: huh
    Wol Euler: why? what was different there?
    Lia Rikugun: as if no ordinary rules were being applied
    Lia Rikugun: but different realities at the same time
    Lia Rikugun: depending on my perspective or my choice

    Ara is joining us, who was on vacation in Spain! I am telling Ara and Wol about my experience making a little movie at work

    Lia Rikugun: hello ara
    Wol Euler: hello ara
    arabella Ella: Hiya Lia, Wol!
    Lia Rikugun: how have you been ara?
    arabella Ella: i am fine thanks I was in Spain last week for a vacation, enjoyed it lots!
    Wol Euler: very nice
    arabella Ella: How are you Lia?
    Lia Rikugun: how nice!
    arabella Ella: and Wol?
    Lia Rikugun: oh good thank you, tired :)
    arabella Ella: owwwww
    Lia Rikugun: we made a video today at work
    arabella Ella: a RL or SL video?
    Lia Rikugun: was pretty interesting with a professional film team
    arabella Ella: cool
    Wol Euler: wow
    Lia Rikugun: i am laggy sorry..)
    arabella Ella: did you play a major role in the video?
    arabella Ella: and was it a promotional one?
    arabella Ella: i am very laggy tonite too ... last night Ara crashed three times!
    Lia Rikugun: i just screamed "CUUUUT" and "Take number 256"
    Lia Rikugun: :P
    arabella Ella: :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    arabella Ella: i have been involved in the past in organising some videos and the shooting is good fun ... the editing later can be tedious
    Lia Rikugun: it was a video about a project i helped working on with a colleague of mine
    arabella Ella: how lovely
    arabella Ella: well done!
    Wol Euler nods.
    Lia Rikugun: it was great to see the camera team work and see what they are interested in
    arabella Ella: did it give you a slightly different perspective on the topic Lia?
    arabella Ella: seeing it from their point of view i mean?
    Lia Rikugun: we have been talking to them for several months now for the story board, so this already happenend somehow, but that was also good, to understand how things have to be presented so that they are understandable
    Wol Euler nods
    arabella Ella: yes
    Lia Rikugun: understandable to everybody with no background in the project
    arabella Ella: yes and yet brief too ... i mean a short message in simple words
    Lia Rikugun: makes the communication skills better :)
    arabella Ella: oh yes
    Lia Rikugun: yes breif is better
    Lia Rikugun: the video will be 4 to 5 minutes
    Lia Rikugun: and it took us a whole day ;)
    arabella Ella: that's normal ... and it takes hours to edit too!
    Lia Rikugun: yes and all the previous work ;)
    Lia Rikugun: a lot i learned so i am happy :)

    What do we do about procrastination?

    arabella Ella: Now if i may ask a question on another topic ...
    Wol Euler: :)
    arabella Ella: how do you two deal with problems of procrastination?
    arabella Ella: (which seems to be a very common human trait)
    Lia Rikugun: haha
    Wol Euler: :)
    arabella Ella: #any magic tips?
    Wol Euler: I usually let it happen. I'm fortunate that my work is largely self-directed
    Wol Euler: so I view the urge to procrastinate as a sign that I am not ready to do X
    Lia Rikugun: i am making a todo list
    Wol Euler: so I just let it mature.
    arabella Ella: mmmmmmmm
    Lia Rikugun: and am soo happy when i can put things away
    Wol Euler: one day, sooner or later, I'll feel an urge to do it, and on that day it is suddenly very easy and obviuos what to do.
    arabella Ella is thinking ....
    Lia Rikugun: i am soory, will have to leave, was somehow tiring for me today and its bedtime :)
    Wol Euler: goodnight lia, sweet dreams
    Lia Rikugun: have a good night sleep

    I left at this point and wont try to comment the following lines

    arabella Ella: yes of course Lia, well done though I am so pleased to hear it all went well, good nite!
    arabella Ella: So Wol, if you dont mind ... self directed work and procrastination ...
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    arabella Ella: how do you then manage to bring in some self discipline?
    Wol Euler: well, it's not as simple as that brief description
    arabella Ella: yes ... although I can relate to what you said
    arabella Ella: but then deadlines or responsibilities or whatever enter the picture too
    arabella Ella: and TIME
    Wol Euler: I balance the "waiting for inspiration to hit" moments with some hard work when it does
    Wol Euler: and there are always tasks to be done "beside" the thing that I am procrastinating about
    arabella Ella: yes i can relate with that too ... mmmm
    Wol Euler: for example, I have a mental list of about twenty things that need to be done sometime fairly soon on the current project
    Wol Euler: and I know roughly which have to happen first
    arabella Ella: then there is also the paradox about Time ... relaxation ... waste of time ... using time properly ... etc
    Wol Euler: so I make a deal with myself. I'm only allowed to procrastinate on one thing at a time.
    arabella Ella: he he
    arabella Ella: I like that attitude
    Wol Euler: if I am procrastinating on X then I *must* do either Y or Z
    Wol Euler: and I choose the one that has the least resistance
    arabella Ella: fantastic idea
    arabella Ella: yes
    arabella Ella: like doing the easiest stuff on a to do list first i guess
    Wol Euler: this resistance is a kind of intuition, I think. It means that I am missing something to deal properly with the problem
    arabella Ella: yes i guess it is
    Wol Euler: be it time, or a fact, or an answer from some other part of the project that I might not even consciuosly know is related
    arabella Ella: like when we dont reply to emails immediately ... it is often the case that we dont have a simply answer
    Wol Euler nods.
    Wol Euler: I talk about letting myself procrastinate, but I am actually very disciplined when I do work.
    Wol Euler: it balances.,
    arabella Ella: yes ... what i find difficult sometimes when i start on a new project is the time it takes me to focus on the new topic
    arabella Ella: to 'get into it'
    Wol Euler nods.
    arabella Ella: once i get going it is fine and as you said ... then one can be very disciplined
    Wol Euler: so tell yourself that the lead-in time is valuable and significant.
    Wol Euler: when you have to make someting in the kitchen, do you just jump straight in and throw things at the stove?
    arabella Ella: yes ... and i could also take your advice ... procrastinate on one thing and get something else done
    arabella Ella: he he
    Wol Euler: or do you rather clean up the counters and check that you ahve all ingredients and tools ready?
    Wol Euler: hello pema, eliza
    arabella Ella: would be nice if i could just wave a magic wand in the kitchen and
    arabella Ella: and find everything done in a jiffy
    Wol Euler: oh darren, sorry, I thought you were a friend :)
    Darren Islar: hi everyone
    Wol Euler: same trousers :)
    arabella Ella: Hiya Darren, Eliza
    Wol Euler: aaaaaah :)))))
    Darren Islar: I hope I am
    Wol Euler grins
    Darren Islar: :-)
    arabella Ella: ehrm ... seems like another paradox here ... he he
    Darren Islar: am I interrupting something?
    Wol Euler: no, just an Appearance by Being :)
    Wol Euler: (to ara)
    arabella Ella: he he
    Wol Euler: we were talking about procrastination and intuition, darren
    arabella Ella: no Darren you are not interrupting anything
    Darren Islar: procrastination, need my dictionary
    Wol Euler: putting off doing something
    arabella Ella: means putting off something you have to do even if it needs to be done
    Wol Euler: hesitating, delaying
    arabella Ella: especially if the deadline is not too close
    Darren Islar: right
    Wol Euler: not the same as being lazy, there is a difference
    Darren Islar: ah, ok
    arabella Ella: yes ... although laziness may be related sometimes to procrastination
    Darren Islar: it is more like being costious
    Darren Islar: coustious
    arabella Ella: or like saying 'yes i will do it ... later ... over and over
    arabella Ella: you mean 'cautious'
    Wol Euler: a procrastinator is thinking about work, s/he just isn't doing any. A lazy person is thinking about holidays or feeding the cat
    arabella Ella: he he
    Darren Islar: yes cautious, had no idea how to write it :-)
    arabella Ella: it was easy to understand the way you wrote it
    Darren Islar: a thanks for the explanation
    Wol Euler: yw
    Darren Islar: I hoped so ara, because I knew it wasn't right :-)
    arabella Ella smiles
    Wol Euler: hello mick
    Darren Islar: hi Mick
    arabella Ella: I sometimes wonder why procrastination brings on guilt feelings ... could it be due to the sense of 'wasting time' I wonder?
    arabella Ella: Hiya Mick
    arabella Ella: and is procrastination a natural human tendency?
    Mickorod Renard: is it really wasting time?
    Darren Islar: well, i still sounds like some kind of laziness
    Mickorod Renard: maybe its doing what your body and mind want to do
    Darren Islar: you want to do the right thing but getting nowhere
    arabella Ella: yes ... he he
    arabella Ella: and the connection to laziness ... i could procrastinate by saying to myself ... i am tired i need sleep or a siesta or whatever
    Darren Islar: hmmm, rethinking it, maybe we shouldn't be feel so guilty about it, maybe better to become aware what is holding you back
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    arabella Ella: Wol gave some good indication of what could hold us back
    Darren Islar: easier said then done though
    arabella Ella: like insufficient information or not yet being ready for doing something
    Mickorod Renard: it would be unfair to be self critical over it if you are fatigued
    arabella Ella: well ... much easier said than done
    Darren Islar: yes not being ready sounds very familiar
    Darren Islar: but most of the time I start of feeling guilty and then later on find out I wasn't ready
    Darren Islar: frustrating
    Darren Islar: :-)
    arabella Ella: :)
    Wol Euler nos
    Wol Euler: *nods
    arabella Ella: i guess procrastination could also come about due to our not being motivated enough to do certain tasks, ranging from simple tasks such as doing the dishes, to report writing or strategy or whatever
    arabella Ella: not lack of motivation but not sufficient motivation
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Darren Islar: yes I suppose you're right Mick, but sometimes I can fatigue mistaken by laziness and the other way around
    arabella Ella nods to Darren
    Darren Islar: I think motivation it vital here
    arabella Ella: it could be an easy cop out to say we are tired when we dont feel like doing something ... which must be done
    Darren Islar: right
    Mickorod Renard: procrastination is often more work than the job needing doing
    Darren Islar: can you say more Mick?
    Wol Euler: very true, mick :)
    Mickorod Renard: I was thinking for example,,like if you need to hand in an assignment
    arabella Ella: depends on what the job involves Mick ... could be a resolve to keep fit ... and one may procrastinate
    Mickorod Renard: the stress and worry over leaving it and leaving it is hard
    arabella Ella: deadlines help to avoid procrastination
    Darren Islar thinks this is the best dictionary I ever looked into :-)
    Darren Islar: *he
    Darren Islar: and takes up more energy then just doing it
    Mickorod Renard: I have things I love to do,,but sometimes casnnot get motivated for some trivial reason
    Darren Islar: I'm afraid I'm very familiar to that :-)
    arabella Ella: could it be push and pull factors ... like what do i stand to gain from this ... or does that sound too ... I dunno ... too egoistic?
    Mickorod Renard: like I love riding my motorcycles,,but cos its cold I cannot drive myself to put on all the clothing
    Darren Islar: I guess to me it is more like having the right energy
    Darren Islar: but sometimes it turns out you can better do it because it is giving you the right energy
    Darren Islar: and I think egoism is part of us :-)
    arabella Ella nods
    Mickorod Renard: brb
    Darren Islar: my teacher once said, everything we do we do out of egoism, so lets skip that and talk about doing the right thing
    arabella Ella: he he
    arabella Ella: i like that
    arabella Ella: skip the crap ...
    arabella Ella: just move on and DO IT
    Darren Islar: you can use negative emotions to do the right thing
    Darren Islar: it is not the best way, but it is better then doing the wrong thing wiht the wrong motivation
    Darren Islar: just get started
    arabella Ella: yes
    arabella Ella: but i guess the question arises ... how can we motivate ourselves more to avoid procrastinating?
    Darren Islar: and now getting myself out of bed every morning :-)
    arabella Ella: oh yes ... i hate mornings
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Darren Islar: well I'm afraid my teacher has an answer to that too
    arabella Ella listens
    Mickorod Renard: bac
    Wol Euler: mmm?
    Darren Islar: get you're lazy but moving
    arabella Ella: wb Mick
    arabella Ella: ??
    Darren Islar: he used different words though
    arabella Ella: could you say that again Darren as i did not understand?
    Mickorod Renard: had to have a pee,,coulnt procrastinate over it any longer
    Mickorod Renard: :)
    Darren Islar: I think procrastination to buddhists is the same as laziness
    Darren Islar: like having to do a lot of other things before doing the right thing
    arabella Ella: yes
    Darren Islar: I mean, we are always busy
    Darren Islar: with social contacts, partyin, but also serious reading can be laziness
    arabella Ella: yes there is always something to be done
    arabella Ella: did you say serious reading can be laziness?
    Darren Islar: everything can be
    Darren Islar: yes :-)
    Darren Islar: my lines show up in different order
    arabella Ella: some of my lines done show up at all :(
    Darren Islar: hmm, so it isn't me
    Darren Islar: what a chatlag
    arabella Ella: let's simply blame the system
    Darren Islar: yes, let's do that :-)
    Wol Euler: :)
    arabella Ella: but what you said about buddhism, procrastination and laziness is interesting
    Darren Islar: I read that ll has a lot of problems with the overwhelming number of accounts
    Mickorod Renard: it is interesting that some people choose to do the wrong thing,,knowingly,,because its easier than doing the right thing
    Wol Euler nods.
    Darren Islar: don't understand that because that is lower then it used to be
    arabella Ella: yes around a year ago there used to be 80K people on line at any one time then it suddenly went down
    Darren Islar: or the viewer also takes up a lot of memory on the server
    arabella Ella: i dont know much about technicalities
    Darren Islar: maybe Wol knows :-)
    arabella Ella: possibly
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: it's more likely that the new viewer, being new, is not yet optimized
    Wol Euler: whereas the old viewer, being older, had had most of its bugs beaten out of it
    Darren Islar: yes, but I'm now on emerald
    Darren Islar: .
    Wol Euler: well, then, I'd guess it is plain old lag :)
    arabella Ella: how do the old viewer and the new viewer synch together in the system Wol since they work in tandem?
    Darren Islar: that is a good very technical explanation :-)
    Wol Euler: well, they don't really "synch" ara. The server is (at least in theory) viewer-agnostic, it will supply data to any system that asks for it
    arabella Ella: ah ok
    Wol Euler: but the new viewer requires more and different resources, above and beyond what the old one was receiving
    Wol Euler: the whole prim media story, for example
    arabella Ella: i like that description 'viewer agnostic' ... sweet way of putting it
    Darren Islar: true, my new viewer is slower
    Darren Islar: but never had these problems with the emerald
    Darren Islar: :-) ara
    Wol Euler: well, it need not be the fault of your viewer
    Wol Euler: might be the computer itself, or your router, or any one of the dozen or more computers that handled this kilobyte of data on its way from California to you
    arabella Ella: could it be the bandwidth in the country where you are located?
    Darren Islar: ah, now I know :-)
    Mickorod Renard: I am heading home now,,thanks for the chat
    Darren Islar: bye Mick
    arabella Ella: nite Mick
    Wol Euler: goodnight mick, take care
    Darren Islar: .
    Mickorod Renard: nite nite,,and you
    arabella Ella: i must go too ... good nite!
    Darren Islar: nite ara
    Wol Euler: goodnight ara, take care
    Darren Islar: you use a mac too Wol?
    Wol Euler: for most things, yes, but for SL since about four months I'm on Windows 7
    Darren Islar: ah okay
    Wol Euler: had to buy a new winbox for work, so I made sure it had a super graphics card :)
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Darren Islar: did you experience any problems with the voice using headphones when you were still on the mac?
    Wol Euler: none that I don'
    Wol Euler: none that I don't still experience on Windows.
    Darren Islar: because sometimes I can't get a connection with voice with my headphones, hearing all the sounds, but not the voice
    Darren Islar: is that similar to your experience?
    Wol Euler: the SL client sometimes doesn't connect to teh voice server, that happens.
    Wol Euler: switching it off and on again in the preferences usually solves that
    Darren Islar: ah ok
    Darren Islar: I can try to use that, you need to find the right trick with these kind of things
    Wol Euler nods
    Wol Euler: asking is a good start :)
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Wol Euler: somebody told me taht trick
    Darren Islar: well a friend of mine don't have any problems at all
    Darren Islar: so we have been searching for the answer
    Darren Islar: yes, that is a very good trick :-)
    Darren Islar: we thought we found it, and now I have the same problem again
    Wol Euler: heh
    Darren Islar: and now I have his problems with this chatlag and lines turning up in the wrong order
    Darren Islar: we call that a wimpie-problem
    Wol Euler: that is a network problem, packets are gtting lost or delayed
    Wol Euler: there's very little you can do about that other htan restarting your modem
    Darren Islar: sounds reasonable
    Darren Islar: ah, yes off course
    Darren Islar: I mean plausible
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Darren Islar: it doesn't help wimpie though :-)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Darren Islar: so how was your first working day?
    Wol Euler: not bad at all. I'd rather not have been working, to be honest, but it was OK
    Darren Islar: maybe you needed some more time off
    Wol Euler: Ido.
    Darren Islar: well the retreat is coming up
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: I'm really looking forward to that.
    Darren Islar: I can imagine :-)
    Darren Islar: San Fancisco
    Wol Euler smiles
    Darren Islar: not written propparly
    Wol Euler: poor SF, it has a terribly high reputation to live up to
    Wol Euler: it's bound to be disappointing :)
    Darren Islar: :-)
    Darren Islar: but actually you don't know
    Wol Euler: of course :)
    Darren Islar: and you're doing a retreat, with friends, so.....
    Wol Euler: oh yes, I meant the city is bound to disappoint compared to its reputation :)
    Wol Euler: the retreat will be great, I am sure of that
    Darren Islar: I understood
    Darren Islar: but I meant it is only a small part of what you are going to do
    Wol Euler nods
    Wol Euler: I have a list of galleries and museums and suchlike
    Wol Euler: and I must visit an Apple store and get my hands on an iPad :)
    Darren Islar: hahah
    Darren Islar: they are not available yet in europe
    Wol Euler: end of april in Germany
    Darren Islar: oh
    Darren Islar: i started wondering what Darren was typing, because I wasn;t
    Darren Islar: feels like he is starting to act on its own :-)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Darren Islar: would be exciting, just see what he comes up with
    Darren Islar: I need to go, I'm the GoC tomorrow morning, and that is pretty early to me :-)
    Darren Islar: Darren, stop typing
    Wol Euler grins and nods
    Wol Euler: goodnight darren, take care. It was nice meeting you
    Darren Islar: ah, yes, need to ask, do you like him?
    Darren Islar: he will be around for a while
    Wol Euler smiles. He looks good :)
    Darren Islar: great
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