2010.07.02 07:00 - A Little More Time on Time

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Bleu Oleander. The comments are by Bleu Oleander.

    After a wonderful introductory session on Pema's new series, we continued the discussion into the 7AM PaB session ..... some good book suggestions later ....


    Pema Pera: did you restart, Bleu?
    Bleu Oleander: looks like it started recording again,
    Bleu Oleander: so i'll claim it
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so if the sessionurs ain't the same it worked
    Pema Pera: it worked!
    Bleu Oleander: great
    Pema Pera: I got the chat log, up to the moment we stopped
    Bleu Oleander: and I claimed the new session
    Pema Pera: so it seems to work fine -- thank you Wol !!
    Pema Pera: :)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Pema Pera: sorry, Maxine
    Maxine Walden: np, I am trying to think: just have a caution, out of awareness that different agendas can slip in and subtly affect one's perception and thinking...(studying this in RL currently)
    Pema Pera: can you say more about the "different agendas" and how we might avoid them clashing?
    Bleu Oleander: I think our next Art of Being project "Being Puzzled" will work well to be inspired by these special sessions Pema
    Pema Pera: great topic title Bleu ;-)
    Pema Pera: Have you told Riddle about it yet?
    Pema Pera: He likes puzzles!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: :)
    Pema Pera: (and riddles)
    Bleu Oleander: oh great
    Bleu Oleander: getting ready to formally announce it for the July project
    Maxine Walden: maybe an example
    Maxine Walden: if I am engaged in exploing time, with a group, with a text, and allowing my experience, etc to be wide-ranging that seems open and creative...but
    Maxine Walden: if I am also aware that a 'book' is being written about this experience, I may be subtly influenced by this, wondering 'how am I appearing' for the book, etc...My narcissistic issues may enter almost without my knowing it...such occurs often with the human heart...so just a level of caution to keep the field for exploration as clear as possible'


    Pema Pera: very perceptive, Maxine, and yes, a good point. It will be interesting to see how we can deal with that kind of challenge. The best thing is probably to bring that up early on, like next week right away. We probably also should have a special email group for these sessions where we can discuss that kind of concern, and ways to stand up to those challenges.
    Maxine Walden: right, sounds like a good idea
    Maxine Walden: well, I had better go. Look forward to our explorations and challenges...
    Maxine Walden: bye for now

    Pema Pera: bye Maxine!
    Bleu Oleander: bye Maxine
    Pema Pera: Thanks for joining us
    Yakuzza Lethecus: take care maxine
    Bleu Oleander: will you actually publish your book Pema?
    Pema Pera: no idea :)
    Pema Pera: at first I'll just put it on the PaB wiki
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey luci
    Pema Pera: and if later a publisher would be interested, that could be an interesting option, who knows?
    Bleu Oleander: I think you may get some nice photos from the Being Puzzled project
    Pema Pera: Hi Lucinda!
    Bleu Oleander: hi Lucinda!
    Pema Pera: yes, it would be good to collect photos!
    Bleu Oleander: just incase

    Lucinda Lavender: Hi Bleu,Pema,Yaku!
    Pema Pera: How are you, Lucinda?
    Lucinda Lavender: I am pretty good. I am looking forward to reading about the time exercizes you did earlier.


    more details to come ....

    Pema Pera: So far it was a preliminary introduction and discussion
    Pema Pera: we'll get to exercises next week, I expect
    Pema Pera: I'll send out an announcement later today

    Lucinda Lavender: great
    Lucinda Lavender: I will read today's log...
    Pema Pera: Bleu, come to think of it, we have a choice of where to post our logs
    Pema Pera: I could post the 6 am log on a special book partition in the PaB wiki
    Pema Pera: or I could post it in the regular monthly sections
    Pema Pera: that later choice might be more natural
    Bleu Oleander: I would think a special section ...
    Pema Pera: just like the weekly guardian sessions at 8 am Sundays also appear in the middle of the regular sessions
    Pema Pera: that would have the advantage that it would be easier to follow how the conversation would flow over from the 6 am session to the 7 am session
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Bleu Oleander: ah I see
    Pema Pera: and in the special book session we could list the titles of all "Time" sessions, clickable, so that you can find your way to those sessions there too, and then in weekly order
    Lucinda Lavender: Time is a new thing to think about for me...
    Pema Pera: it's ever new, for me too, Lucinda . . . the more I think about it, the more newly mysterious I find it
    Bleu Oleander: yes, I think it's important to have the sessions together in some way .... to follow the threads


    Pema Pera: let's try to put it in the regular monthly session folder, and see whether we, and others, like it that way -- we can always move it around later.
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Pema Pera: Well, I'll go to bed now; getting close to midnight here
    Pema Pera: nice talking with you all, Bleu, Luci, Yaku!
    Lucinda Lavender: Yes!
    Lucinda Lavender: I look forward to reading...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye pema
    Pema Pera: me too :-)
    Pema Pera: bfn
    Lucinda Lavender: bye Pema,
    Bleu Oleander: bye Pema
    Bleu Oleander: brb :)

    Lucinda Lavender: Yaku, Bleu, I am wondering if you might like to say something about the discussion in the first hour...perhaps something you were struck by...or something.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i was thinking during most of the time how i can get rid of my habitual thinking
    Bleu Oleander: sry, back
    Yakuzza Lethecus: every time i think on TSK i am not doing it with a fresh mind
    Lucinda Lavender: wb Bleu

    Bleu Oleander: what do you mean Yaku?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and pema´s book will be related to TSK, so i was also interested in the subjective definitions of Time pema brought up
    Yakuzza Lethecus:

    "Pema Pera: and similar parallels can be made with other religions and philosophies than Buddhism [6:41] Pema Pera: for example, in Christianity, God is more like Space, that which cannot even be named [6:42] Pema Pera: while the Son is more like knowledge, turned flesh [6:42] Pema Pera: and time is a kind of intermediary between the two [6:42] Pema Pera: in christianity the Holy Spirit [6:42] Pema Pera: in Buddhism Sambhogakaya [6:42] Pema Pera: and in TSK Time"

    Bleu Oleander: exploring time in a phenomenal way as opposed to a scientic way .... interesting to think about
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s all tricky for me to understand and i have the problem to preserve a ,,fresh exploring mind" right now
    Yakuzza Lethecus: everything in SL turns into habits
    Bleu Oleander: the way I get around that Yaku, is to keep reading, listening to other perspectives
    Bleu Oleander: not give myself a change to get comfortable
    Lucinda Lavender: the awareness of it not seeming fresh must be information that you are not completely in a habitual mind...


    Bleu Oleander: I keep investigating time from a scientific point of view and also enjoy participating in the experiential investigations of time, as I experience it
    Lucinda Lavender: an unfolding process...
    Bleu Oleander: I think it's important to investigate from many perspectives
    Bleu Oleander: yes, Lucinda
    Lucinda Lavender: it does seem like holding a mental perception to even "conceive" of time.
    Bleu Oleander: and that mental perception is influenced by other mental perceptions that you have ...
    Bleu Oleander: very subjective
    Bleu Oleander: many nonconscious mental perceptions as well
    Lucinda Lavender: I have been reminded lately of the the book I read called How We Decide I for get the authors name...
    Bleu Oleander: oh yes, one of my friends just read that
    Lucinda Lavender: Has anyone heard of this book?
    Bleu Oleander: J. Lehrer
    Bleu Oleander: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/22/bo...Johnson-t.html
    Lucinda Lavender: Well as I remember...on one chapter there was the idea that when one has used the prefrontal part of the brain extensively and is tired...that this creates a condition.
    Lucinda Lavender: Cool Bleu thank you...
    Bleu Oleander: I am re-reading Damasio's book now, "The Feeling of What Happens"
    Bleu Oleander: wonderful book
    Lucinda Lavender: What I was thinking is that I have a certain thought now...when things are hard to wrap my brain around...
    Bleu Oleander: he's coming out with a new book this fall on the self
    Lucinda Lavender: interesting!
    Yakuzza Lethecus always likes bleu´s booksuggestions :)
    Lucinda Lavender: that I may be full...in my intake ability.
    Bleu Oleander: still getting so much from his book on this my third reading of it
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Bleu Oleander: also reading Sean Carroll's new book on time, "From Eternity to Here"
    Bleu Oleander: a good balance to our experiential investigations of time
    Lucinda Lavender: long explainations can be hard for me to understand but I am really interested in how the brain/mind works.
    Bleu Oleander: he's a theoretical physicist at cal tech
    Bleu Oleander: to me no better teacher on brain/mind than Damasio
    Lucinda Lavender: ok:)
    Lucinda Lavender: I will look for that then...
    Bleu Oleander: Antonio Damasio's "Descartes Error" is also a classicLucinda Lavender: I am eating a pancake:)
    Lucinda Lavender: When I was in college. I participated in a program called On Knowing
    Bleu Oleander: gtg, nice seeing you both .... will try to make the voice session and the 1 pm .... but have a busy morning
    Lucinda Lavender: ah
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks Bleu for you suggestion.
    Bleu Oleander: so i'll say bye for now :)
    Bleu Oleander: and maybe see you later :)

    Lucinda Lavender: bye Bleu:)

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    though I only read "some" chat logs... I am drawn to ones that sneak in topics like puzzles and Riddles :)
    Am awaiting details
    Posted 13:46, 2 Jul 2010
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