2010.07.09 06:00 - Time Session 1: Our First Reports

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    Following the introductory session of a week earlier, this was the first main session in the new series of Play as Being sessions on the topic of TimeThe comments are by Pema Pera.

    Darren Islar: hi Yaky Maxine, Ewan :)
    Bruce Mowbray: Good day, Darren, Yaku -- and I see a lot of others are arriving.
    Maxine Walden: hi, Darren
    Bruce Mowbray: G'day, Maxine.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hello to everyone arriving at once ^^
    Darren Islar: hi Eden
    Ewan Bonham: Hi Folks
    Bruce Mowbray: G'day, Eden.
    Maxine Walden: hi, Eden, Ewan
    Ewan Bonham: I am able to be here for jus 1/2 hour..
    Ewan Bonham: But wantd to be a part of this
    Eden Haiku: Good morning:)
    Darren Islar: hi eliza
    SophiaSharon Larnia: glad to see you :)
    Maxine Walden: glad you could come, Ewan
    Darren Islar: hi Blub :)
    Maxine Walden: hi, Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Maxine :)
    Maxine Walden: hi, Bleu, Pema
    SophiaSharon Larnia: phew Eliza lol
    Pema Pera: Hi everybody!
    Bleu Oleander: hi everyone :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: ~waves~
    Fefonz Quan: hello everybody!
    Maxine Walden: hi, Fefonz
    Eliza Madrigal giggles @ Sharon
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey all new :)

    Given the early 6 am SLT slot I commented on the attendance of guardians on U.S. West Coast time.

    Pema Pera: I continue to be amazed to see Maxine and Bleu here, so early for them!
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bleu Oleander: yawns :)
    Maxine Walden: the early morning is one of my favorite times....
    Bleu Oleander: yes me too
    Pema Pera: In general I am very impressed by the sense of freedom that I have found in all eight reports posted on the web site http://wiki.playasbeing.org/PaB_Books/Magic_of_Time/Time_Sessions/2010%2f%2f07%2f%2f09%3a_Reports
    Pema Pera: I sense an openness, a willingness to experiment. I think we have come a long way, as a PaB community, to be willing to engage in this kind of free-floating exploration.
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Lucinda :)
    Pema Pera: And more specifically, I am impressed by the dynamic "time" quality that is shining through in all of these eight reports.
    Pema Pera: Hi Lucinda -- a full circle!

    It takes twelve participants in total to fill up the inner circle of seats around the pond.

    Bruce Mowbray: G'day, Lucinda.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Maxine Walden: hi, Lucy
    Darren Islar: hi Lucy
    Pema Pera: SophiaSharon wrote: "Question for next session: What makes these series of exercises different than the 9 sec stops as done before? Is there a difference?"
    Lucinda Lavender: good day all!
    Fefonz Quan: hi Lucinda
    Pema Pera: I think there is, although it may not be so easy to put my finger on this dynamic quality. What do you think, do you recognize some sense of "time", something "alive" or "dynamic" in the reports overall?
    Bleu Oleander: for me it was the phrase "taste what appears"
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the 9 sec in this case seems to have a focus, a goal, whereas before they were observing and appreciating, I can't tell if there is a difference
    Maxine Walden: and maybe focussing on time lends a sense of specific exploration...
    Bleu Oleander: made it seems a little different than the 9 sec practice I had been participating in
    Maxine Walden: (don't know what my av is typing so...just to say I am not writing a tome...)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Fefonz Quan: yes, i feel it focuses on the flow, the movement rather then just what 'is' - where 'isi' tends to be more rigid, permanent
    Bleu Oleander: more like a fluid relationship
    Ewan Bonham: May I add the notion of Perception and state of mind?
    Pema Pera: of course!
    Ewan Bonham: I have had experiences where an hour is like a second..
    Ewan Bonham: And a second is an eternity
    Maxine Walden: :) nods
    Ewan Bonham: Much depends on my mind's perception of th circumstance
    Eden Haiku: This morning it was 7h30 and then, hours later, it was 7h 38:))
    Pema Pera: :)
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: So pure interest in the topic, is part of the dynamic of the reports I'm sure...
    Ewan Bonham: nods

    I mentioned how my original idea, of focusing on Time, grew into a fresh focus on PaB as a whole.

    Pema Pera: It is fascinating for me, to see how these Time Sessions seem to have their own dynamic -- my original idea was to focus on Time, but then I realized that in fact it felt more like a focus on Play as Being in a fresh new way, much broader than I had expected.
    Lucinda Lavender: I notice that my focus is primerily a way of way of slicing into or even letting go of time.
    Darren Islar: ah.... :)
    Pema Pera: And come to think of it, if we think about the "nature of reality" without taking time into account, we are likely to think in terms of truths, eternal truths, something given once and for all.
    Bruce Mowbray: Perhaps each of our six senses (or more?) has its own way of perceiving Time -- and even within each sense, it varies.
    Ewan Bonham: Yes, slicing...
    Ewan Bonham: does that mean the more we let go of the concept of time, the more we can be mindful of events that happen to be within time?
    Pema Pera: whereas taking time into account can free us from that tendency, showing us how every moment everything appears afresh.
    Bruce Mowbray: All I "know" is that time is different when I'm looking at a sunset from when I am tuoching a hot stove.
    Bruce Mowbray: touching.
    Pema Pera: so yes, letting go of time, by taking time into account, as Luci said
    Ewan Bonham: nods
    Ewan Bonham: mindfulness is an important aspect in this for me
    Darren Islar: being is and is not, so is time, what is the real difference?
    Pema Pera: so maybe a focus on time is not so much a magnifying glass but more glasses in general, to see reality better
    Darren Islar: (sorry, couldn't shut up :))
    Maxine Walden: maybe the more we let go of concepts...and focus on experience the more we may 'know' in terms of direct experience, perhaps...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: touch a hot stove, time seems more like stills of each moment, sunset moments blended (just musing)

    We all seemed to be in a musing mood in this session.

    Pema Pera: let's all muse together :)
    Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
    Ewan Bonham: ㋡
    Fefonz Quan: stove might feel like the sun us set on your fingers...
    Fefonz Quan: is*
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Ewan Bonham: is interaction and dialogue a factor in this process as well?
    Pema Pera: everything can be :)
    Pema Pera: it's openended
    Maxine Walden: as part of an ever-fluxing 'now', perhaps, Ewan
    Ewan Bonham: seems time goes faster when in good conversation
    Pema Pera: :)
    Ewan Bonham: Or perhaps goes slower..depending on the conversation
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Eden Haiku: Sense of smell can carry us through time: solar screen fragrance connecting summer to previous summer...
    Darren Islar: but how come we are all in time here at the same moment?
    Lucinda Lavender: that is where the perception creates a quality or something...
    Fefonz Quan: i second that Darren
    SophiaSharon Larnia: are we?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Fefonz Quan: surely there is no'here' here, yet...
    Pema Pera: perhaps"we" are not that important . . . :-)
    Eden Haiku: We are in different time zones....
    Pema Pera: and yes, Eden, smell can be amazingly direct, as an appearance
    Darren Islar: important or not, we are still all here at the set time
    Lucinda Lavender: I think that when I am letting go frequently then the time does not slip away in its appearance.
    Fefonz Quan: time zones are just a convention
    Bruce Mowbray: If nothing ever changed, would there be ANY sense of time - in any of our senses?
    Bruce Mowbray: so . . . time is change?

    Various requests for Luci to add more :)

    Eliza Madrigal: Interesting Lucinda... so you have a sense that time appears?
    Pema Pera: can you say more, Luci, about letting go?
    Darren Islar: right Bruce
    Lucinda Lavender: Well the other day I was at a meeting and alot of time slipped awy for me and I was late too the next event.
    Lucinda Lavender: Then I saw how my attention so fully engaged was not able to keep the fresh sense of presence and let go of what I was wngaged in...
    Bruce Mowbray: I'll bet that was a very 'busy' eeting, Luci.
    Bruce Mowbray: meeting.
    Lucinda Lavender: Iyes. we were problem solving...
    Ewan Bonham: the word..'engage' really lighted up when you said that
    Bruce Mowbray: I really meant, "engaged" - not busy.
    Ewan Bonham: the experience of being fully engaged
    Eliza Madrigal: mmm, yes
    Maxine Walden: captured by your attention to the task and your engagement in it perhaps
    Lucinda Lavender: it felt like slipping into another dimension or something
    Darren Islar: time and space is putting us in a sequence of moments, that makes changes available, but only because nothing exists permanently
    Bruce Mowbray: To be engaged in one thing requires letting go of many other things.
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, time engaging you 'back' in a way...?
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: the feeling of being present tho...where we are wholly engaged...
    Darren Islar: So I think that both of your perceptions in your introduction are right at the same time, it is not or/or to me, but and
    Ewan Bonham: I will need to excuse myself...

    Ewan had to leave, but the word `engage' would later be taken up again.

    Ewan Bonham: And i will get filled in
    Maxine Walden: bye Ewan
    Darren Islar: bye Ewan
    Ewan Bonham: Thank you all so much...namaste
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye ewan
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Ewan :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye ewan
    Bruce Mowbray: G'day, Ewan --thanks for your contributions here.
    Bruce Mowbray: Einstein: when riding the face of a clock at the speed of light, time stands still.
    Darren Islar: :)
    Bruce Mowbray: For Blub, time goes slower when he swims...
    Bruce Mowbray: when he stands still - everything arounhd him seems to move quicklly.
    Pema Pera: we don't have to ignore or deny existence -- but we normally overvalue existence and overlook the sheer appearance of things -- unless we engage in art (@ Darren)
    Darren Islar: no faster, time flows for blub, not for somebod in the speed of light :)
    Eden Haiku: Swimmers of the fourth dimension...
    Bruce Mowbray: yes, "the sheer appearacne of things" 000 wonderful.
    Bruce Mowbray: appearance.
    Pema Pera: does anyone else have some comments on my initial chapter on the wiki?
    Darren Islar: yes Pema, I know, but we shouldn't it letting get out of our sight either
    Bleu Oleander: on the first sentence, Pema
    Eden Haiku: Time is a mystery.
    Bleu Oleander: is "time a mystery" and will it always be?
    Pema Pera: it has been so far to me, that's all I can say, Bleu :)
    Pema Pera: and therefore a good place to start exploring, at least for me
    Bleu Oleander: why do you suppose that is?
    Pema Pera: more difficult to have a wrong view, since I don't have a view of time

    I meant that I like exploring time since I it is rather hard to get stuck in such an exploration.  When we explore something we think we already more or less understand, it is easy to get stuck.  But with time: now way!

    Maxine Walden: :)
    Pema Pera: views are generally an attempt to escape time
    Pema Pera: to freeze things, to feel safe
    Bleu Oleander: are we time and is time us?
    Bruce Mowbray: Since we all arrived here "on time," today, there seems to be no mystery in the schedule -- so, if "time is a mystery," then scheduling and time are not the same thing.
    Darren Islar: :)
    Eden Haiku: Yesterday, as I was swimming underwater in the pool, I connected with a younger me, wondering about time as she was swimming underwater in another pool. She was wondering about time and especially about the future and I, yesterday, was her future.
    Pema Pera: counting beans and growing beans is not the same either :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes, that's what I was most interested in I think... this idea that we feel somehow powerful if we can 'predict' ... get ahead of time somehow....
    Pema Pera: wonderful image, Eden!

    Fef introduced an interesting analogy.

    Fefonz Quan: Bruce, scheduling and time are different as space and the bars on a rulers are.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I think thats partly what science is Eliza
    Bruce Mowbray: Is scheduling,m then, a way to "get ahead of time"?
    Maxine Walden: just thinking of time as a kind of medium we swim in, like water for fish. We may try to freeze it, as in scheduling,
    Eliza Madrigal: I wondered how much energy I spend, trying to feel like I am staying ahead... closing off what may present
    Fefonz Quan: i would say scheduling is not freezing, just conceptualizing a little , as a tool
    Maxine Walden: hmm
    Fefonz Quan: freezing sounds very heavy and limiting.
    Eden Haiku: All "now moments" seem to be connected in a same pool of time.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Darren Islar: yes Eliza, In now the feeling, that is a moment that 'time' isn't 'working' as we expected
    Fefonz Quan: scheduling can be a nice way to play with time, like counting waves on the sea
    Darren Islar: now =know
    SophiaSharon Larnia: time as an impetuous for experiencing
    Bruce Mowbray wonders about hibernation through long winters -
    Darren Islar: to me those are the really interesting experiences, like the 'being angaged with timei' from Lucy
    Eden Haiku: What about hibernation Bruce? Tell us more.

    Back to engagement.

    Pema Pera: yes, and I sensed that kind of engagement in all eight reports this week
    Eliza Madrigal: the pauses are wonderful vehicles for engagement...
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Maxine Walden: :) Eliza
    Lucinda Lavender: I was thinking about all the sensations that are present with the engagement
    Fefonz Quan: (for me even engagement seems heavy, but it might be a language issue)
    Lucinda Lavender: attention work for me too
    Eliza Madrigal: interesting, Fef.... I feel with 'engagement, like I reach out a hand, and there is the response of a hand... in a way
    Fefonz Quan: yes, attention, mindfulness, thanks Lucinda
    Eden Haiku: Beautiful description of engagement Eliza!
    Lucinda Lavender: the whole body attending
    Darren Islar: please say more Lucy
    Lucinda Lavender: well my feet are experincing coolness and my lap is hot with the computer on it...
    Lucinda Lavender: being involves these different points in the body?
    Darren Islar: i guess it depends on what we perceive as being

    Eden returned to the reports on our wiki pages.

    Eden Haiku: In the reports, Bleu is mentioning that she discovered how many choices were presenting themselves at each moment. When I read Eliza and Maxine's reports, I realized I zoomed out feelings of my experiment, concentrating on sensations. It made me aware of an unconscious choice I had made while experimenting with time. It widens the perspective.
    Darren Islar: to me it is bodyawareness of being part of 'reality'
    Maxine Walden: interesting, Eden
    Pema Pera: yes indeed, Eden!
    Pema Pera: our reports are nicely complementary
    Pema Pera: inspiring broader and further exploration
    Darren Islar: :) Eden
    Eden Haiku: I appreciated the way both Maxine and Eliza included feelings in their reports, it enriched my concept of time.
    Eliza Madrigal: mmm, yes Eden. The reports are so interesting in that way... one sees how many approaches, which does open up a sense of possibilities, roads presented
    Maxine Walden: agree,
    Bleu Oleander: many roads not taken :)
    Bruce Mowbray: a "connection" to Reality . . or actually "being PART of" it . . . of Being It...?
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: a little like walking a path and seeing a main road, but later taking a helicopter ride and seeing lots of other passages that were there all the time
    Eden Haiku: Time is indeed a mystery Pema, we are just scratching the surface...
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Darren Islar: :) Eliza
    Pema Pera: Maxine focused on potential in her report -- do you want to say more about your association between time and potential, Maxine?
    Lucinda Lavender: the intrepid travellers of time
    Pema Pera: :-)

    Fef brought in a key observation.

    Fefonz Quan: i was mostly struck by how easy all the reporter used 'time' as a doorway to reality, to being present
    Bruce Mowbray muses at the metaphor: "scratching the surface of time..."
    Pema Pera: intrepid indeed -- nobody knows where we are going!
    Fefonz Quan: reporters*
    Darren Islar: right Fonz
    Pema Pera: diving into time might be fun too :)
    Pema Pera: @ Bruce
    Eden Haiku: Oh yers Bleu, I was so curious about this also: these roads not taken, just like in art isn't it?
    Eliza Madrigal: present... alive
    Fefonz Quan: seems it is much more easy and 'concrete' than 'being', for example
    Bruce Mowbray: . . . "socking time in the nose with one's fist?"
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i just pictured all those roads and imagined taking all of them :)
    Pema Pera: :)
    Darren Islar: to me there is not much difference between time and being
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: scary
    Pema Pera: how so, Darren?
    Fefonz Quan: (SSL - bring to mind LOST finale, if you saw it)
    Bleu Oleander: yes Eliza :)

    Maxine responded to an earlier question from me, about potential.

    Maxine Walden: there seems to be a promise, a potential in the as yet to be experienced, the 'future'...it may be my anticipation, my pleasure in the warmth of the sun, as it were...but I also think that the 'potential' is probably linked with my openness to the unknown next moment
    Bruce Mowbray: . . . "being socked in one's nose by the first of Time"?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (nope dont watch it lol)
    Bruce Mowbray: fist.
    Pema Pera: yes, actuality is about the present, perhaps, and potentiality about the flow of time?
    Maxine Walden: and there is some link for me in terms of potential and the ever-present now
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, how lovely Maxine... your use of the word promise...
    Maxine Walden: :) Eliza
    Bruce Mowbray: If time "flows," what does "hectic" mean?
    Darren Islar: Both seem to be real and unreal, both are parts of duality @ Pema
    Eden Haiku: Watched the last 20 minutes of LOST only in the whole series and rellay liked the lastb 5 minutes...:)
    Darren Islar: so if we can make time more concrete, so we should be albe to do that with being
    Bruce Mowbray: an incredible series that was!!
    Pema Pera: takling about the last 5 minutes . . . .
    Eliza Madrigal smiles @ Eden... I 'intend' to do that too... at some point
    Pema Pera: we have 5 minutes left
    Maxine Walden: !!
    Darren Islar: :) lot of threads

    I made a suggestion for next week.

    Pema Pera: I propose that for next week we again try the same type of exploration
    Pema Pera: and write reports, anybody who feels like doing so
    Pema Pera: and meanwhile I will write a new chapter
    Pema Pera: that I will finish before our next meeting
    Maxine Walden: any clues about the new chapter, Pema?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eden Haiku: A preview?
    Pema Pera: however, we can postpone reading the new chapter until just after the next meeting
    Pema Pera: I don't know yet, to be honest :-)
    Lucinda Lavender: I am doing some reading and catching up...
    Pema Pera: only time can tell . . .
    Maxine Walden: :))
    Fefonz Quan: (shhh, it'll be about time Maxine ;-))
    Eden Haiku: ;)
    Pema Pera: and I'll try to listen :)
    Eliza Madrigal giggles
    Maxine Walden: :))
    Darren Islar: heheheh
    Pema Pera: what I'll probably try to do is write one new chapter every two weeks
    Bruce Mowbray: I shall look forward to reading it, Pema. But now must depart for medit. group. May all have a happy day. Namaste.
    Eliza Madrigal: Namaste Bruce :)
    Maxine Walden: bye Bruce
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bruce
    Eden Haiku: Namaste Bruce.
    Darren Islar: bye Bruce and Blub :)
    Bleu Oleander: bye Bruce
    Lucinda Lavender: bye bruce
    Pema Pera: so that we have one week to read and try a new exploration -- then a session to talk about it -- then a chance to reread and re-explore with the benefit of all that we have discussed together
    Fefonz Quan must leave too. have a great weekend friends. _/!\_
    Pema Pera: does that sound okay?
    Lucinda Lavender: sounds great!
    Eden Haiku: Bye Fefonz,
    Darren Islar: bye Fonz
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Fef :) And sounds wonderful Pema!
    Bleu Oleander: sounds wonderful!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: great Pema, bye fefonz
    Eden Haiku: Yes, Pema, wonderful!

    Summing up the home work:

    Pema Pera: so this week will be a re-reading of the initial chapter, and a re-exploring with new reports
    Lucinda Lavender: I love hearing everyones sharing on this.
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, I like the idea of dwelling a bit...
    Darren Islar: okay
    Pema Pera: as we already heard, the old reports will help everybody to explore new dimensions
    Darren Islar: I only found the page today
    Lucinda Lavender: it takes time...
    Maxine Walden: yes, that sounds good, Pema, gives us a chance to metabolize our discussion and see how we then perceive, experience, report...
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Bleu Oleander: adding more layers to our experiences
    Darren Islar: yes
    Maxine Walden: agree, Bleu
    Eden Haiku: Metabolize our discussions: I love that Maxine:)
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: at some point we may want to provide more pages on the wiki for comments and cross-talk (in the good sense of the word :-)
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Lucinda Lavender: :)
    Pema Pera: if anybody would like to volunteer helping me to set that up, I'd appreciate it :-)
    Pema Pera: no rush, but whenever somebody feels like
    Pema Pera: just let me know by IM or at piet@ias.edu
    Pema Pera: thank you so much for coming and "engaging" us all :-)
    Pema Pera: engagingly
    Eden Haiku: Thank you Pema. It is an honour to be made part of your writing process and be able to read chapeter as you write them.
    Maxine Walden: wonderful discussion
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thank you!!
    Darren Islar: thanks Pema
    Bleu Oleander: thank you Pema :)
    Pema Pera: yw, Eden, I feel the same!
    Pema Pera: and yw and thanks to all !
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks everyone :) And remember for those who like to linger, that a session follows this one :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: smiles @ Eliza
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Pema Pera: yes, and it's not forbidden to mention time there either :-)
    Darren Islar: only want to cool down for a minute :)
    Maxine Walden: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Pema Pera: though any other topic would be fine too
    Maxine Walden: :) Darren
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :) Darren

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