2010.11.08 13:00 - Understanding Incomprehensiblity

The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

Yakuzza Lethecus: ah hey lugh
Lugh Fehr: heyya gave up on the speech also?
Yakuzza Lethecus: the audio was sadly terrible
Yakuzza Lethecus: i was only able to figure out some words
Yakuzza Lethecus: i have to go there again when i understand at least the words
Lugh Fehr: yeah like once in a while a loving kindness here and onther their hehe
Yakuzza Lethecus: yes, it´s interesting, how to preserve contemplative exposure as well as philosophical and scientific
Lugh Fehr: hey mcbeth
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey aga
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Yaku, Lugh
Yakuzza Lethecus: how are you today aga ?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, still coughing but otherwise okay
Yakuzza Lethecus: i hope you get better
Agatha Macbeth: You?
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, fine experimenting a little if i would appreciate to listen to audiobooks in other languages
   --BELL--(1300)
Agatha Macbeth: Audiobooks?
Yakuzza Lethecus: before i was in my spanish class, i don´t put too much energy into it still i try to figure out how to learn better
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, I see
Agatha Macbeth: How long have you been learning now?
Yakuzza Lethecus: for a year, but i don´t practice externally to the classes in sl usually
Yakuzza Lethecus: well i tried a few programs without too much attention and i talk in english to my spansih language contacts
Yakuzza Lethecus: :P
Agatha Macbeth: I didn't realise you could do that sort of thing in SL
Agatha Macbeth: Learn other languages i mean
Yakuzza Lethecus: well in my pics there are a lot of language learning places
Agatha Macbeth: I might take a look :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: if you want to polish ur german, ther virtual goethe insitut got 4 conversational german sessions per week at 11 am slt
Yakuzza Lethecus: and 2 at 10 pm slt
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, right
Agatha Macbeth: Great
Agatha Macbeth: Something new every day :)
Agatha Macbeth: Good to see educational facilities at work here
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, it´s interesting for me to wollos the serious stuff
Agatha Macbeth: How's the philosophy coming along?
Yakuzza Lethecus: well, not that well in sl
Yakuzza Lethecus: at least not for me
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Lugh Fehr: why?
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bleu
Bleu Oleander: hi everyone :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Bleu :)
Lugh Fehr: hey bleu
Yakuzza Lethecus: i had a little negative downturn on that here in sl but it had nothing to do with the events
Yakuzza Lethecus: still i have a course every wednesday
Lugh Fehr: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Do you still go to Pamala's forum?
Bleu Oleander: what course are you taking on wed?
Agatha Macbeth: Nabend berti :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: nabend bert
Lugh Fehr: hey bertram
Bertram Jacobus: hi everybody ! ... :-)
Bleu Oleander: hi Bert
Agatha Macbeth: What's it called - Roadside Philosophers?

Berti poofs
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Bert :(
Lugh Fehr: bye bert hehe
Wol Euler: bye bert
Yakuzza Lethecus: that´s pam´s session next saturday
Bleu Oleander: hi Wol
Wol Euler: hello everyone else
Agatha Macbeth nods
Lugh Fehr: hey wol
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya :))
Yakuzza Lethecus: but there are many other places
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, there's Rhiannon's place
Agatha Macbeth: wb Bert
Wol Euler: wb bert?
Bertram Jacobus: ty
Lugh Fehr: hey agin
Yakuzza Lethecus: well i´ve not been to golgotha so far
Agatha Macbeth: Okay Jesus :p
Bertram Jacobus: yes wol - i crashed ...
Wol Euler: hello satia, zon
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey satia,zon
Lugh Fehr: hey people
Satia Ruby: HEL-LOOOOO =)
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Zon
Wol Euler: Satia, have you been here before?
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Satia
Zon Kwan: hiall
Bleu Oleander: hi Satia, Zon
Satia Ruby: yes
Agatha Macbeth: Good :)
Satia Ruby: :)
Agatha Macbeth: She knows we're all mad then...
Wol Euler: as long as she knows that we publish these session logs :)
Satia Ruby: sure i know
Yakuzza Lethecus: onigokko
Agatha Macbeth: Makes my job easier
Agatha Macbeth: Whoooooooooooooa
Satia Ruby: i´m glad that i dont wear it aymore *GIGGLES* :)
Yakuzza Lethecus: stop
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: it's a tradition here.
Lugh Fehr: hehehe
Wol Euler: we call it "running around like an idiot meditation"
Agatha Macbeth nods
Bleu Oleander: :)
Wol Euler notices Agatha's titfer, and decides to join in.
Agatha Macbeth: Tit...fer?
Wol Euler: fah.
Agatha Macbeth: Tat
Wol Euler: call yourself an Englishwoman?
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Well, yeah
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, Audrey Hepburn
Wol Euler smiles.
Yakuzza Lethecus: is there a virtual ascot ?
Wol Euler: probably!
   --BELL--(1315)
Bleu Oleander: yikes titfer for titfer
Lugh Fehr: Definitions of ascot on the Web: a cravat with wide square ends; secured with an ornamental pin
Agatha Macbeth: We could always start one
Lugh Fehr: hehee you guys use hard words hehe
Lugh Fehr: :D
Wol Euler: it's also, and usually, and originally, the name of a very fashionable horse-racing grounds near London
Lugh Fehr: ohhhh
Agatha Macbeth: What Pimms was invented for
Lugh Fehr: hehhe :D
Wol Euler: right.
Wol Euler: and ascot ties :)
Agatha Macbeth: Yep
Lugh Fehr: An ASCOT, or Asset Swapped Convertible Option Transaction, is an option on a convertible bond used to separate the cash flows of the underlying bond from the equity option embedded in the convert. .
Agatha Macbeth: I actually saw someone sitting on a horse in a group meeting recently
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: I *hope* you mean in SL :)
Agatha Macbeth: Er...yes
Bertram Jacobus: hi lennox
Lugh Fehr: hey lennox
lennox Leeeroy: hi all
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Lennox, are you a boxer?
Wol Euler: ooh, nearly a year old! born on the 13th.
lennox Leeeroy: long time ago
Agatha Macbeth: Wow
Yakuzza Lethecus: aldi start
Wol Euler: have you been here before, Lennox?
lennox Leeeroy: yes I know the rules Wol
Yakuzza Lethecus: ALDI start
Yakuzza Lethecus: ALDI stop
Satia Ruby: ADLI stop
Agatha Macbeth: Great. Thanks
Yakuzza Lethecus: omg
Satia Ruby: lol
Satia Ruby: you have sound on?
Wol Euler: good, just checking :) It's in the TOS, we have to ask.
Agatha Macbeth: Hey - I shop at Aldi :)
Agatha Macbeth: Danke schon :)
Lugh Fehr: all the tea lovers say i
Agatha Macbeth: I
Lugh Fehr: hehehe
Wol Euler: eye
Agatha Macbeth: Eye eye
Agatha Macbeth: Sir
Bleu Oleander: aye
Agatha Macbeth: I-pod
Lugh Fehr: all the coffe lovers say I
Bertram Jacobus: here !
Agatha Macbeth: I 2
Lugh Fehr: ....I
Bertram Jacobus: hi izze
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey izze
Wol Euler: hello Izze
Lugh Fehr: hey izze
Wol Euler: have you been here before?
lennox Leeeroy: hi izze
izze Auster: hello .. no not before
Agatha Macbeth: I'll give you notecard about us
Wol Euler: ok, I'll give you an introduction in IM so we don't disturb the others
Wol Euler looks at Agatha. Or you, as you wish?
Lugh Fehr: yay im not the news one now :D
Agatha Macbeth: Thx Wol
Lugh Fehr: newest*
Wol Euler: k
Agatha Macbeth: No, please continue
Bertram Jacobus: hy bruce
Agatha Macbeth: And here's Brucie....
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Bruce
lennox Leeeroy: hi Bruce
Bleu Oleander: hey Bruce
Lugh Fehr: hey bruc
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bruce
Agatha Macbeth: At least we know YOU were here before!
Bruce Mowbray: Wow -- LOOK at everyone!! Hello!
Bruce Mowbray: I WAS????!
Agatha Macbeth: They knew you were comin Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Oh -- Now I remember.
Bruce Mowbray: please continue with your discussion.
Agatha Macbeth: Okay - what was it?
Lugh Fehr: so any one knows the meaning of life?
Lugh Fehr: hehehe x)
Agatha Macbeth: 42
Bruce Mowbray: yeppers, next topic.
lennox Leeeroy: thats sorted then
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
lennox Leeeroy: move on to the afterlife
Bertram Jacobus: may be there is no meaning ...
   --BELL--(1430)
Agatha Macbeth: What, now?
Lugh Fehr: actually i dont even understand the question ... meaning of life?
Agatha Macbeth: We didn't understand the answer either, so no worries :p
lennox Leeeroy: brow cow!
Agatha Macbeth: How now
lennox Leeeroy: brown*
lennox Leeeroy: cow
Agatha Macbeth: Mooooo
Bruce Mowbray: onigokko
lennox Leeeroy: ho hooooo
Lugh Fehr: all those that prefer coke from pepsi say I
Bruce Mowbray: stop
Agatha Macbeth: I hate both
lennox Leeeroy: dance all of you
lennox Leeeroy: well what now?
Wol Euler grins.
Lugh Fehr: well oki whats the most inportant topic to discuss in philosofy?
Wol Euler: no idea, what do you think, Lugh?
Agatha Macbeth: You tell me
lennox Leeeroy: philosohers lunch
Satia Ruby: wasaa
Lugh Fehr: "what to do next?" donno just an idea...
Bruce Mowbray: oops! RL knocking on door. . . Must go! BYE!
Agatha Macbeth: Tell RL to go away
Lugh Fehr: bye bruc
Satia Ruby: jwasaa
lennox Leeeroy: bye
Satia Ruby: lwasaa
Lugh Fehr: orrr.. where the heck are we?
Agatha Macbeth: Orrr...Playasbeing
Bertram Jacobus: at the pab pavillion ? ;-)
Bleu Oleander: bfn :)
Wol Euler: in SL
Wol Euler: bye bleu
Bertram Jacobus: bye bleu
Wol Euler: take care
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Bleu
Yakuzza Lethecus: bye bleu :)
Lugh Fehr: bye blue
lennox Leeeroy: how many second lifers does it take to change a lightbulb?
Agatha Macbeth: 42?
lennox Leeeroy: bye bleu
Lugh Fehr: i depends how thick you are
lennox Leeeroy: ah that would be telling!
Agatha Macbeth: Probably does take 42 then
Satia Ruby: wasaa
Lugh Fehr: how many hippies does it take to screw in a light bulb?
lennox Leeeroy: one
Lugh Fehr: they dont scrwe in light bulbs they screw in dirty old sleeping bags
lennox Leeeroy: hippies rule
Lugh Fehr: hihihihi

And now for an old one:
Agatha Macbeth: How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb?
Agatha Macbeth: Fish
Lugh Fehr: hehe
lennox Leeeroy: less than 2 more than 3
Lugh Fehr: oki how do you play whit your being ?
Lugh Fehr: heheh
Bertram Jacobus: in many ways ...
lennox Leeeroy: ha ha
lennox Leeeroy: good one, I like that
Bertram Jacobus: at the moment - sitting here ...
Lugh Fehr: hehehe yup yup
lennox Leeeroy: or not............
Bertram Jacobus: not ?
Lugh Fehr: :S
Bertram Jacobus: no play ?
Bertram Jacobus: hey ara ! :-)
Bertram Jacobus: hey mick ! :-)
Lugh Fehr: hey peopples
Wol Euler: hello mick, ara.
arabella Ella: hallo bertie guten abend!
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Mick, Ara :)
arabella Ella: Hiya everyone!
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey ara
arabella Ella: guten abend Yaku auch!
Mickorod Renard: hiyaaa
Mickorod Renard: hey,,a few new faces
lennox Leeeroy: hi
Mickorod Renard: hi
arabella Ella: do you have a topic?
Agatha Macbeth: We were waiting for you to give us one Ara :)
arabella Ella smiles
arabella Ella: of course Agatha any time!
arabella Ella: so here goes
arabella Ella: before i crash again
arabella Ella: is there anything you find incomprehensible in life and if so what and why?
Wol Euler: why people vote the way they do.
Lugh Fehr: stiupidity
Agatha Macbeth: Naked self-interest?
arabella Ella: why Wol?
   --BELL--(1345)
Agatha Macbeth: wb :)
Bertram Jacobus: wb ara ...
Mickorod Renard: hi
Mickorod Renard: i want to know why we keep trusting bankers
arabella Ella: Hiya ty
arabella Ella: knew i would crash again somehow - premonition
Agatha Macbeth: Who says we trust em Mick?
arabella Ella: did i miss much?
Wol Euler: Bertram explained the secret of life
Wol Euler: it was fascinating and very moving.
Mickorod Renard: was it good?
Mickorod Renard: wow
Bertram Jacobus giggles ... :-)
Bertram Jacobus: don´t tell every secret plz wol ! ... tztz ...
Agatha Macbeth: Copyright it Bert...
Yakuzza Lethecus smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Ara :(
Mickorod Renard: I have given up on that,,i guess its time to ask the secret of death now
Wol Euler: sure, if Telekomm can copyright magenta, you can copyright the secret of life :-/
Bertram Jacobus: but you have it already aggers - and even much more compact then me (!) ...
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: Can't remember where I put it tho
Agatha Macbeth: wb Ara :)
Lugh Fehr: now you see it now you dont hehehe
Bertram Jacobus: 42 ?
Agatha Macbeth: 43
Bertram Jacobus: wasn´t it that ?
Bertram Jacobus: ah okay
Agatha Macbeth: Inflation
Bertram Jacobus: bah
Bertram Jacobus: is unfair
arabella Ella: hallo
Bertram Jacobus: hallo ara ?
Mickorod Renard: has anyone seen bruce lately?
Lugh Fehr: hey agin :)
Agatha Macbeth: Is it your computer or your connection Ara?
arabella Ella: yes Bertie three crashes tonight in less than 10 mins
arabella Ella: i dont know Ags
Wol Euler: he was here, mick, had to leave early
Mickorod Renard: ok thanks
arabella Ella: but Phoneix is giving me same problems i had with LL viewer some time back
Lugh Fehr: whats 567 x 91?
Agatha Macbeth: I doubt it's the viewer that's the prob
Agatha Macbeth: 51597
arabella Ella: it may be my graphics card but when i checked with IT people they told me it is up to scratch, tested it, etc. and for them it all worked perfectly
Bertram Jacobus: whaow - aggers faster then me - again
Agatha Macbeth: Strange
Mickorod Renard: 42497?
arabella Ella nods
Agatha Macbeth: Could just be your connection then
izze Auster: is it an ATI card.. was reading about some driver issues .. think the new driers are fixed for sl
arabella Ella: this time i dont think so - altho there are times when it has been that
arabella Ella: my card is NVIDIA
izze Auster: good
arabella Ella: but my laptop has two cards and now in an attempt to avoid crashing i switched to the INTEL graphics card which is not meant to be up to scratch for SL
Agatha Macbeth: Are you on a laptop?
arabella Ella: yes
Lugh Fehr: 1000 green bottles on the wall 1000 green bottle ...la...la...la
Agatha Macbeth: Never trust those things for some reason
arabella Ella: well Ags when travelling one cannot expect to download SL on each PC one may use
arabella Ella: and it is convenient to move around too
Agatha Macbeth nods
Yakuzza Lethecus: i need to bed, good night everyone
Wol Euler: goodngiht yaku, take care
arabella Ella: good night Yaku
Agatha Macbeth: Schlaf gut yaku
Lugh Fehr: gn yaku
Mickorod Renard: nite yaku
Mickorod Renard: I am using two old laptops,,they seem fine
Agatha Macbeth: Chacun a son gout eh
   --BELL--(1400)
Lugh Fehr: what language is that?
Mickorod Renard: an old x40 and this old r51,,ibm thinkpads
Agatha Macbeth: Swahili
Agatha Macbeth: IBM *think*?
Lugh Fehr: wher you from swahi land?
Agatha Macbeth: Since when?
Mickorod Renard: since when what?
Agatha Macbeth: Since when did IBM think?
Mickorod Renard: :)
Lugh Fehr: someone droped their boyfriend
Agatha Macbeth: Hope they picked him up
arabella Ella: is that boyfriend to be shared or distributed to us all here Bert?
Bertram Jacobus: i think ... yes :-)
Lugh Fehr: ewwww
Lugh Fehr: poor fella who picks the short stick
arabella Ella: thanks Bertie :)
arabella Ella: now i got a BF too
Wol Euler: !
Bertram Jacobus: yvw ara :-)
arabella Ella: :)
arabella Ella: do you mind if i ask the incomprehensible question again?
Wol Euler: bert? wth is this? :-)
Satia Ruby: [14:05] Bertram Jacobus gave you Boyfriend. d
arabella Ella: the one i asked before i crashed?
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Mickorod Renard: thanks bert
Wol Euler: just what I alwys wanted!
Bertram Jacobus: you can it then you´ll know wol ;-)+
Bertram Jacobus: I'm rezzing......
Bertram Jacobus: .....stll rezzing.....
Bertram Jacobus: oops - must switch off the r.e.z.z trigger ! :o)
Mickorod Renard: any chance I can change its sex?
Bertram Jacobus: i fear not mick ... :-(
Bertram Jacobus: :o)
Lugh Fehr: yeah me too im am kinda lonly deas days
Agatha Macbeth: Or change its clothes?
Lugh Fehr: or take off its clotes
Mickorod Renard: I may operate later
Lugh Fehr: those who have been whit sl hooker say I
Lugh Fehr: hehehe
Lugh Fehr: jk
Bertram Jacobus: i like that you can have as many of them as you like (!) :o)
Mickorod Renard: they look a bit like bruce
Agatha Macbeth: No Blub tho
arabella Ella: nice outfit Agatha, you look so different - more what can i say?
arabella Ella: victorian?
Mickorod Renard: dressed?
Mickorod Renard: :(
Agatha Macbeth: A steampunk thingy from Blak Opal
Lugh Fehr: wb izzi
Agatha Macbeth: But it looks Victorian, yes
arabella Ella: i must confess though I prefer your rock or gothic look somehow
Mickorod Renard: I must admit ,,there is an attraction in being able to remove more clothes
Wol Euler: heheheh
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, I'll bear it in mind :p
Mickorod Renard: :)
Agatha Macbeth grins
izze Auster: sorry lugh .. thanks.. just doing a folder .. was away
Mickorod Renard: I love wrapping presents for people with about 10 layers of paper
Lugh Fehr: poor fella fell over
Agatha Macbeth: With nothing in the middle?
Mickorod Renard: gives me chance to escape before they see what it is
Mickorod Renard: a bit like life really
Agatha Macbeth: 'All the diodes have gone in my left side'
arabella Ella: eh?
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Mickorod Renard: body piercing?
   --BELL--(1415)
Agatha Macbeth: Paranoid android
Mickorod Renard: I have an incomprehensible question...can compassion over come all
Agatha Macbeth: All what?
Mickorod Renard: all ills
Lugh Fehr: thats soppose to be enlightenment
Agatha Macbeth: Toughie
Mickorod Renard: not a cold of course,,thats too hard
lennox Leeeroy: yes it can
Mickorod Renard: I like the idea it can
arabella Ella: please say more Lennox?
izze Auster: must go.. thank you .. bye bye
Mickorod Renard: the issue is managing ones own issues
arabella Ella: bye izze
Freud Jungsten: Ciao
Lugh Fehr: bye izze
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Iz
Mickorod Renard: bye Izzie
lennox Leeeroy: bye Izze
Wol Euler: my dears, it's time for me to move on
Lugh Fehr: compastion is the only emotion that seem to be evolved for no reson
Agatha Macbeth: I needs to go now folks, take care
Lugh Fehr: byebye
Bertram Jacobus: bye all leaving beings ! ...
Agatha Macbeth: I got the log
Wol Euler: goodnight, be compassionate
Mickorod Renard: nite ags
Freud Jungsten: Ciao all
Mickorod Renard: nite wol
Mickorod Renard: nite freud
Mickorod Renard: I recall a story I was told once
arabella Ella: bye freud
lennox Leeeroy: there are many traditions that suggest that compassion is a fundamental basis of our universe arabella
Mickorod Renard: it was to do with childrens homes
arabella Ella: do you really think there is no practical reason for compassion?
lennox Leeeroy: bye freud
Freud Jungsten: do na da go hv i
Bertram Jacobus: sry - i´m too distracted today - will leave - ty all for the company and bye *wave* ... :-)
lennox Leeeroy: it is not an add on extrs but a building block of our Universe
Mickorod Renard: once childrens homes were ran on compassion,,and bad kids became softer ,,nowadays no one has the patience to try it
arabella Ella: bye Bert
Lugh Fehr: the only reson is to unit the planet as one cell but still semingly it was evolved strangley
lennox Leeeroy: bye Bert
Mickorod Renard: bye Bert
Freud Jungsten: My abilities at scaring people away are developoing nicely it seems...smiles
Satia Ruby: Okay, i have to go too... was nice to meet you all :) *waves around*
Mickorod Renard: bye
Lugh Fehr: byebye
lennox Leeeroy: * extra
arabella Ella: what do you mean it evolved strangely then?
arabella Ella: bye Satia
lennox Leeeroy: bye sally
Lugh Fehr: well if a race of somthing needs to get taller they do but for their own good compastion was evolved by the earth itself or somthing....
Lugh Fehr: compastion is not good for normal servival stratigies
arabella Ella: is it not important for raising the young of a species or caring for those in need?
Lugh Fehr: no thats love its diff
arabella Ella: the 'us' syndrome
lennox Leeeroy: empathy!
Mickorod Renard: I am not sure we can be certain of that Lugh
arabella Ella: it does not have to be love
Lugh Fehr: i hate you for a reson i love you for a reson in compastion theirs no reson
arabella Ella: could compassion not keep communities together like glue
Mickorod Renard: yes
Lugh Fehr: but compassion has no limmit it units you whit the creature that hunts you as well
Lugh Fehr: well our heart and bones and skin.... have compastion for each other
Freud Jungsten: I think people draw lines with where they put their compassion to an extent though.
Mickorod Renard: there is a sense I think that most believe that a compassionate community will lead to over protectionism and then boredom,,which would then result in dissatisfaction
Lugh Fehr: but thats love
arabella Ella: isnt it the case that normally we feel compassion for those who we believe we understand more than for those who are 'different' who we dont understand?
Lugh Fehr: i thinck love and compasstion are totaly diff.
Lugh Fehr: and thats love
Mickorod Renard: the trick Ara is to find compassion for even those we dislike
arabella Ella: i dont see it as love Lugh at all - it is definitely very different
Lugh Fehr: i love my friends becouse of some reson i have im compasstiont for a fly i never met befor why?
lennox Leeeroy: nothing can resist ultimate compassion. By the way the Large Haron Collider has just produced the Big Bang in miniature, BBC news.
arabella Ella: yes Mick but I am trying to find some reason for the very existence of compassion in the world
Lugh Fehr: wow coool
Lugh Fehr: welll in the olden days
lennox Leeeroy: Hadron*
Lugh Fehr: their wher only
Mickorod Renard: cool
arabella Ella: wow cool lennox thanks for the info will look it up later
Lugh Fehr: single celled creatures
Lugh Fehr: and they cam together to form organisims
arabella Ella nods
arabella Ella: or split like an amoeba
Lugh Fehr: so they had to have compasstion for each other
Mickorod Renard: ahh,,its a long time since i did that
lennox Leeeroy: no hotttt ara and Mick vvv hot
Lugh Fehr: oki we should difin compasstion
arabella Ella: :)
   --BELL--(1430)
arabella Ella: ok who will define it then?
Lugh Fehr: evry one untill we come to an agreement i guess or atleast ontherstand what it means to each other
Lugh Fehr: i thinck commpation is the loosing of you bondry to include someone els in it
lennox Leeeroy: acceptance and love, infinite love ara
Mickorod Renard: maybe i dont understand it,,cos my perception of it puts me outside most other peoples idea of what life is about
Freud Jungsten: Do tell.
Lugh Fehr: yes :)
arabella Ella: but initially we had said it should be distinguished from love right?
Freud Jungsten: I think they are different.
Mickorod Renard: well,,each day I see power and force etc as the way of life,,and yet I see that some compassion seems to be needed instead
Lugh Fehr: love is an emotion compastion is a state of mind
Freud Jungsten: I think love comes before compassion.
Lugh Fehr: well compastion is selflessness
Lugh Fehr: the unification of two
Lugh Fehr: love is a feeling of atraction the opposite of hate a feeling of repultion
arabella Ella: isn't romantic love the way we know it today more of a modern / recent concept? much more recent than compassion?
Freud Jungsten: I dissagree, you can be compassionate and still have self in mind.
arabella Ella: ah Lugh ... Eros and its opposite
Lugh Fehr: yes but not compasstion in its totalaty then
lennox Leeeroy: the love of a mother for her baby is infinite and boundless
Lugh Fehr: hehe
Lugh Fehr: yes then its compasstion
Mickorod Renard: I cannot say I am not selfish, unfortunately i feel that is a problem with myself,,yet i do feel very compassionate for others,,even those who have little care for me
Lugh Fehr: the baby may be as annoying as hell still she loves
Lugh Fehr: yes but total commpastion is enlightenment ...when you totaly forget the diff bettwen you and other
arabella Ella: for me compassion is a type of sensitivity towards the needs of others which one is either born with or which one learns to adopt
Lugh Fehr: sooo i also feel compastion but not totalaty
Mickorod Renard: I think love needs to be better defined,,cos that is a word that is truly abbused
Mickorod Renard: abused
Lugh Fehr: love is a euforic feeling
Lugh Fehr: hehehe
arabella Ella: just a feeling?
Lugh Fehr: yes
Mickorod Renard: mmm,,
Lugh Fehr: like hate
Freud Jungsten: Sometimes love is an enfuriating feeling.
Lugh Fehr: compation is moor
arabella Ella: more than love?
Lugh Fehr: yes yes but yin always turns into yang
Freud Jungsten: What does that mean?
Lugh Fehr: yes moor then love in a sense of speaking.
Lugh Fehr: yin and yang the two opposing ceracter of the world that ballance each other out
arabella Ella: but if i see a spider and i feel compassion and take it out gently into the garden there is compassion but no love for spiders there is there?
Mickorod Renard: I think,,when one can see the closeness of the boundaries,,between how one loves ones own children,,and how one feels for others,,good or bad,,well then one can get a glipse of compassion
Lugh Fehr: yep exectly arabella
Lugh Fehr: love for children is the second easiest commpastion the first is your for your self i thinck
Lugh Fehr: the hardest is for your enemy and maby even harder for a rock
Mickorod Renard: this is true,loving ones own is easy
Lugh Fehr: uuuuu
Lugh Fehr: i know
Lugh Fehr: you cant love your enemy but you can be compastionit
Mickorod Renard: so idf one can close the gap,,then one may see compassion emerging
Lugh Fehr: you cant love a mass murderer but you can be compastionet
Lugh Fehr: sorry for my terrible spelling
arabella Ella: :)
Mickorod Renard: please dont appol,,all is well and we understand you well
arabella Ella likes your phoentic way of spelling
Lugh Fehr: hehhe :D
Mickorod Renard: there is something of interest in the 4 immeasurables
Lugh Fehr: welll in an evolutionery sense the world nature cant survive whitout coompastion becouse when a dominint race emerges the eat the rest like we are doing now
Mickorod Renard: I fear for what is emmerging in the world at present
arabella Ella: it is also due to compassion that we have NGOs which campaign for cleaner air, less traffic and climate change too
arabella Ella: with no compassion there would not be NGO s like to protect species
Freud Jungsten: But I don't think a lot of people apprach environmentalism from a compassion point of view.
Lugh Fehr: well nature allways takes care of her own
Mickorod Renard: I think there is an unspoken truth,,that some know the shit is gonna hit the fan soon
Freud Jungsten: They look at it as practical in the long term.
arabella Ella: i think some do take it from a compassionate point of view - may be not all
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Lugh Fehr: yeah thats true freud but still compastion is on the rise nowadays i thinck
Lugh Fehr: but even if so that leaves the question why must it survive?
Lugh Fehr: and who decides?
Mickorod Renard: I am hoping that compassion will be the new world currancy in the next ten years
arabella Ella: perhaps religions help to some extent to promote compassion?
Mickorod Renard: currency
arabella Ella: or spiritual practices?
Lugh Fehr: they will never be total compastion just enugh to ballance out
Lugh Fehr: me thincks
Mickorod Renard: you cannot eat spiritual practice
arabella Ella: i never said you could Mick
Mickorod Renard: :)
Lugh Fehr: welll their are some good shrooms out their hehhe
Mickorod Renard: although that guy in India can
Mickorod Renard: he he
arabella Ella: shrooms?
Mickorod Renard: mush
arabella Ella: magic ones?
Mickorod Renard: grin
Freud Jungsten: More of peyote fan... grins
Lugh Fehr: yeah shrooms give a spiritual expiriance but still not very beneficial does moor harm some of the times
Lugh Fehr: i used to be an lsd fan but no longer .... i thinck anyway
arabella Ella: but you dont need any additives to be spiritual
Lugh Fehr: I TELL YOU!!!
Lugh Fehr: and if you ask the gurus they you you can get enlightened prety esly whit dose but moor of a movie that will leave you scared shitless than the actuall thing
Freud Jungsten: I doubt the idea that recreational pharmisuiticals can give you a spiritual experiences.
lennox Leeeroy: bye all, enjoyable discussion. See you again
Lugh Fehr: byebye
Mickorod Renard: bye len
Freud Jungsten: If that was the case, my mom would be the Pope.
Mickorod Renard: thanks for comming
arabella Ella: bye lennox
Lugh Fehr: yes they can the differece is
arabella Ella: i like that Freud would be nice to have a female Pope :)
Freud Jungsten: But not my mom.
arabella Ella: LOL
Freud Jungsten: I would volunteer but white is not my color.
Lugh Fehr: spiritualaty opens a door and gives you a level of knollege to handle it phsicidelics just open the door leaving you to fend for your selfs so its confusing and scarry
Lugh Fehr: and not 100% proof
Mickorod Renard: do you have to be white to be a pope Ara?
arabella Ella: the Pope wears white Mick
Freud Jungsten: I meant in a fashion sense.... grins
arabella Ella: but you could change that Frued you would have the power to do so
arabella Ella: a gothic .... enough said
Lugh Fehr: wow a lesbian pope
Freud Jungsten: A lesbian Native American pope...
Freud Jungsten: Not seeing it in my lifetime.
arabella Ella: why not?
Mickorod Renard: :)
Lugh Fehr: well america does have a black president
arabella Ella: never say never
Lugh Fehr: heheh well maby just spray paited
Freud Jungsten: He is not black, he is half black and acts white.
Lugh Fehr: hehee
Mickorod Renard: whats that term Ara ,,the one like for changing a qwerty keyboard for something more practical?
arabella Ella: lock in
Mickorod Renard: yea,,there needs to be some radical changes
arabella Ella: well we have all seen quite a few radical changes in our lives and i reckon we will see many more
Lugh Fehr: we need a christ or somthing like that
Freud Jungsten: That has already been taken care of.
Freud Jungsten: Maybe wee do need more compassion.
Freud Jungsten: Or maybe just less focus on self.
Mickorod Renard: I feel its the only way
Lugh Fehr: we need to know who we really are and all will be setilled
Freud Jungsten: I just think compassion can be so misguided.
arabella Ella: maybe we need more females in high places as females so far at least tend to possess more compassion?
Mickorod Renard: the only way to bridge the gap,,many gaps
Mickorod Renard: I dontbuy that Ara
Lugh Fehr: me nither hihihi
arabella Ella: i do mick ... he he
arabella Ella: and Lugh
Freud Jungsten: I don't know.... we have a few women in high places in the US and they tend to be near psychopaths like the rest.
Mickorod Renard: I know alot of men,,and whenthey open up they are more compassionate than women on the whole
arabella Ella: why should men control everything that happens like laws and stuff and females have little or no say?
Lugh Fehr: women can be moor campestionate yes but moor stiupid the yin and the yang hehe
Mickorod Renard: he he
Freud Jungsten: I do think there need to be more women yes.
arabella Ella: do any of you know of any female politicians who are compassionate? or any politicians for that matter?
Lugh Fehr: men dont have controll im a guy i have no control what so ever
arabella Ella: like Frued said about the US president
arabella Ella: she said he acts like a white man
arabella Ella: why?
Freud Jungsten: Maybe it is a compliment that there anre not more women in politics.
Freud Jungsten: Actually, maybe worse.
arabella Ella: for the same reason that females in politics tend to play the male ball game
arabella Ella: unfortunately
Lugh Fehr: you cant be a compationat polition any moor then you can be a compastionat soilger, patriot, fundimentalist
Mickorod Renard: I cannot see any president acting on his own beliefs,,there is a hhuge administration guiding him,,or her
Lugh Fehr: politics is a failed thing
arabella Ella: that is unfortunate mick - the arm twisting i mean
Lugh Fehr: been good while it lasted we need somthing els
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arabella Ella: and Lugh - why not - no compassionate politician or soldier?
Lugh Fehr: why does the majority have to rule
Mickorod Renard: well,,its a lock in Ara
arabella Ella: yes Mick but totally outdated
arabella Ella: past its best by date
Freud Jungsten: The Majority does not have to rule.... it sjust works out that way.
Lugh Fehr: compastion is selflessness those thigs are selfish stuff if you say my contry thats not compastion. that being saud evryone has the seed in him
arabella Ella: or her
Lugh Fehr: of compasstion*
Mickorod Renard: I dont think the majority do rule,,I think the ones that rule have wangled their way in by getting the majority to vote for them
Lugh Fehr: yes but the majority are idiots thats why they are in power
arabella Ella: brb
Lugh Fehr: i am an idiot actually wisdom is hard to ballace out
Lugh Fehr: but somearent even trying
Lugh Fehr: poor mudas
Mickorod Renard: :)
Freud Jungsten: I am not sure we are idiots.... but the system just limits our choices.. so we feel like idiots after the elections.
Mickorod Renard: well,,I have to get sme sleep
Lugh Fehr: gn mate
Mickorod Renard: I am with you there Freud
Lugh Fehr: who created the system and who preserves it?
Mickorod Renard: g nite everyone
Mickorod Renard: thanks for the chat
Lugh Fehr: :)
Freud Jungsten: Good question.
Lugh Fehr: actully we are not idiots by choice we are not evolved yet
Lugh Fehr: evrything must run its cours
Freud Jungsten: Ok.. time to go... thanks for the chat all.
Lugh Fehr: yeah im off to sleep also