2011.05.26 13:00 - (dreams of) clarity? What is that?

The Guardian for this meeting was Lia Rikugun. The comments are by Lia Rikugun.

Lia Rikugun: hello wol
Wol Euler: helo lia
Lia Rikugun: sorry i am a little late
Wol Euler: no worries :)
Lia Rikugun: wow nice costume
Wol Euler: ty :)
Wol Euler: and after all the lag lately, I'm glad you can see it:)
Lia Rikugun: sexy :)
Wol Euler grins.
Wol Euler: it was the hair that sold me :)
Lia Rikugun: yeah its really funny
Lia Rikugun: lets see if i can make a picture

Wol Euler: hello susan
Lia Rikugun: hello iwandertoo
iwandertoo Resident: hi
iwandertoo Resident: mobile
Wol Euler wonders what "mobile" means
iwandertoo Resident: sorry...on cell phone
Wol Euler: ah :)
Lia Rikugun: so what do you want to talk about?

dreaming about what happened during the day...

Wol Euler: actually I may just listen. I'm really tired today, only had about five hours sleep last night
Lia Rikugun: oh thats not a lot :(
Lia Rikugun: did you at least have interesting dreams?
iwandertoo Resident: ...I will need to leave in about 5 mins. quick lunch break.
iwandertoo Resident: interesting dreams?
Wol Euler: I did, if I can recover them :)
Lia Rikugun: hehe
Wol Euler: I woke late so didn't make any notes, I have the flavour of the dream rather than any definite recollections
Wol Euler: I do remember that it was in World of Warcraft, I was trying to complete quests of some kind
Wol Euler: but couldn'T find somebody I needed to talk to
Lia Rikugun: did you play WoW yesterday?
Wol Euler: yes, I did :)
Lia Rikugun: ahha
Lia Rikugun: :D
Wol Euler: and yes, it was a frustrating session :)
Wol Euler: there is a RL to dream overlap
Lia Rikugun: i had a similar thing 2 days ago
Lia Rikugun: i stayed up later to finish filling out forms online
Wol Euler: mmm?
Lia Rikugun: and this was really frustrating
Lia Rikugun: system going down having o rewrite everything etc
Wol Euler nods.
Lia Rikugun: so I took this into my sleep
Lia Rikugun: and dreamt about that
Wol Euler: did it go better in the dream?
Lia Rikugun: no
Wol Euler: was that the resolution of your RL bad experience?
Wol Euler: ah :)
Lia Rikugun: but the next day :)
Lia Rikugun: i think it was just the stress that arose while filling out everything
Wol Euler nods.
Lia Rikugun: well well
--BELL--

dream yoga

Lia Rikugun: i am just finishing up a book about dream yoga
Qt Core: hi all
Lia Rikugun: hello Qt
Wol Euler: helloqt
Wol Euler: say more about "dream yoga", lia? what is that?
Lia Rikugun: the last part I read was quite interesting
Lia Rikugun: it distinguished between 'normal'dreams and dreams of clarity
Lia Rikugun: and i wonder what exactly this looks like a dream of clarity
Lia Rikugun: a dream where you connect to your nature
Lia Rikugun: and can have some insight or knowledge
Wol Euler: is that what people here usually call "lucid dreaming"?
Lia Rikugun: nono
Lia Rikugun: it is different
Lia Rikugun: lucid dreaming i think refers to being aware that you are dreaming and being able to change the dream in a way
Qt Core: and there is a way to recognize them ?
Lia Rikugun: a dream of clarity as I understand relates to a deeper understanding somehow
Lia Rikugun: to a connection
Lia Rikugun: maybe meditative dream
Lia Rikugun: he gives some examples about dreams
Lia Rikugun: where he could see some things in the future
Lia Rikugun: the book is called "dream yoga" by namkhai norbu
Wol Euler: ah, that is a name that recurs here often
Qt Core: hi Archmage
Lia Rikugun: "deam yoga and the practice of natural light"
Wol Euler: hello arch
Lia Rikugun: hi arch

clarity, what is that?

Lia Rikugun: what would be a moment of clarity for you?
Lia Rikugun: how would you define that?
Archmage Atlantis: Lia, QT, Wol.....hello
Wol Euler ponders
Wol Euler: is this different from dreams in which you recognize the truth of something that puzzled you, or find a solution to a problem?
Lia Rikugun: I dont know
Archmage Atlantis: Bears ponder the tree with the honey, they usually accept that the sweet is worth the risk of being stung
Lia Rikugun: i am just wondering what this could
Lia Rikugun: mean
Lia Rikugun: dream of clarity, or well clarity itself
Lia Rikugun: is this what we are looking for?
Archmage Atlantis: It means we are alive at this moment
Lia Rikugun: but i am alive every moment
Wol Euler: I guess it means a dream in which you understand something for the first time, or in a new way
Wol Euler: (nice outfit, arch :)
Archmage Atlantis: Life is a gotcha to that which resists live
Wol Euler: ping
Wol Euler: wb lia
Lia Rikugun: hi sorry
Lia Rikugun: my computer somehow went off
Lia Rikugun: so what did you say?
Lia Rikugun: and clarifications on clarity
Wol Euler: [13:25] Arch (archmage.atlantis): It means we are alive at this moment [13:25] Lia Rikugun: but i am alive every moment [13:25] Wol Euler: I guess it means a dream in which you understand something for the first time, or in a new way [13:26] Wol Euler: (nice outfit, arch :) [13:26] Arch (archmage.atlantis): Life is a gotcha to that which resists live
Lia Rikugun: thanks
Lia Rikugun: but do you sometimes have moments where you know you need to do this
Lia Rikugun: it just has to happen
--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Lia
Archmage Atlantis: I am here now because I need to do this
Lia Rikugun: would you say this is a moment of clarity
Lia Rikugun: i am sorry maybe these are simple questions and the answer is very clear
Archmage Atlantis: You all know Bruce.......he is not well after his trip to NYC......
Wol Euler: I'm glad you think the answer is clear! I'm not sure
Wol Euler: oh, I'm sorry to hear that, arch :(
Archmage Atlantis: He is over 1000 miles away
Lia Rikugun: what happened?
Qt Core: ohh, i home nothing big
Qt Core: hope
Archmage Atlantis: You are all my family, yet you are far away
Wol Euler nods.
Archmage Atlantis: as the children of this planet shall some day be
Archmage Atlantis: So we need to learn
Archmage Atlantis: How to love across the distance
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Lia, for me, it is a moment of clarity
Archmage Atlantis: I cannot speak for others
Archmage Atlantis: only for me
Lia Rikugun: in what way arch?
Lia Rikugun: what makes it a moment of clarity?
Archmage Atlantis: I will attempt to answer that Lia.......for me, clarity is seeing what was before me always
Archmage Atlantis: It is the perception, I was born to see
Archmage Atlantis: Even though all other perceptions are valid
Lia Rikugun: interesting
Lia Rikugun: could you say what brought you to this perception, to this clarity?
Archmage Atlantis: Mushy, actually
Archmage Atlantis: Alice
Lia Rikugun: hm alic
Lia Rikugun: e
Archmage Atlantis: the one that mother gives you..doesn't do anything at all...go ask Alice
Lia Rikugun: ? sorry i dont understand
Wol Euler: quoting from a Jefferson AIrship song called "white rabbit" :)
Wol Euler: about drugs and expanding perceptoin
Wol Euler: and Alice in Wonderland
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, Wol
Archmage Atlantis: And drugs are not required to expand perception
Lia Rikugun: so drugs brought you clarity? is this what you are saying
Wol Euler: indeed
Archmage Atlantis: Fair question, Lia
Archmage Atlantis: What brings clarity to you, Lia?....and what does clarity mean?
Lia Rikugun: i dont really know :) I am trying to find out
Lia Rikugun: i read these words in the book
Lia Rikugun: and it turns out it wasnt very clear to me what that means
Lia Rikugun: so thats why i am asking :)
Archmage Atlantis: Good, so are we all (trying to find out, that is)
Lia Rikugun: yes
Archmage Atlantis: There are no true gurus
--BELL--
Lia Rikugun: i could imagine it could be moments where you know you need to do something, you dont know why but you know it has to be done
Lia Rikugun: but I am sure there is much more to it
Lia Rikugun: and most probably there is a better definition
Lia Rikugun: arch said for him it is a moment where he realizes he is born to see right?
Lia Rikugun: and wol said for her it is moments where for the first time she understands things, right?
Wol Euler: yes but
Wol Euler: that was my answer to the question I *thought* you were asking, what a dream of clarity might be
Lia Rikugun: ah ok
Wol Euler: clarity is probably all of these things, if it's anything
Lia Rikugun: so what is clarity?
Lia Rikugun: all of these things
Lia Rikugun: as i understand it from the book, the author does not that much distiguish between dreams of clarity and clarity itself
Archmage Atlantis: Let me give it another attempt
Lia Rikugun: ok
Lia Rikugun: listening :)
Archmage Atlantis: Clarity is the willingness to accept sensory input that conflicts with the structure that one has at that point established as one's own base line
Lia Rikugun: wow i need to read a second time :)
Lia Rikugun: may i try to formulate in my own words to see if I understood arch?
Archmage Atlantis: certainly
Lia Rikugun: being open towards things you would not expect to happen?
Archmage Atlantis: yes
Lia Rikugun: yeay!
Lia Rikugun: 100 points for me
Archmage Atlantis: that is a part of it
Lia Rikugun: oh ok
Lia Rikugun: tell me the other part
Archmage Atlantis: parts, I think, but do not know
Qt Core: need to go, bye all
Archmage Atlantis: open to knowing that there is more than can be known
Lia Rikugun: byebye qt
Lia Rikugun: I see
Wol Euler: bye qt
Archmage Atlantis: hasta luego Q
Archmage Atlantis: Each moment of life is a chrysalis
Lia Rikugun: a flower?
Archmage Atlantis: A bug
Lia Rikugun: oh yes i looked it up :)
Archmage Atlantis: A worm, gathered into itself, to become something else more beautiful
Lia Rikugun: thats a nice image
--BELL--
Archmage Atlantis: Time to dance
Wol Euler: time for bed :)
Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and Namaste
Lia Rikugun: thank you was a very nice session
Lia Rikugun: i wish you dreams of clarty ;)
Wol Euler: may we all have dreams of clarity not
Wol Euler: *now
Wol Euler smiles.
Lia Rikugun: haha
Wol Euler: goodnight, lia
Lia Rikugun: good night!