2011.11.06 08:00 - Guardian Meeting

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    Present at this Guardian Session were Agatha Macbeth, Wol Euler, oo0oo Samúð, Aphrodite Macbain, Riddle Sideways, Xirana Oximoxi, Yakuzza Lethecus, Bruce Mowbray, Maxine Walden, Lucinda Lavender, and Wol's plumber.
    Wol Euler: hello aggers, aph
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): hello Wol, 0
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): brb
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Aggers, Wol
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: Hi Ya'll
    Wol Euler: hello riddle
    Riddle Sideways: that extra hour of sleep helped
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi Bruce:)
    Wol Euler: hello again, yaku
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): hey everoyne
    Wol Euler: brucie
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Bruce and Yaku
    Wol Euler: hello xir
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): back
    Wol Euler: wb
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hi, Aph, Yaku, Riddle, Xir!
    Riddle Sideways: wb
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hi Wol, Rid, Agg, Sam, Bruce, Maxine, Boxy, Aph ...
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hi, Maxine.
    Wol Euler: hello maxine
    Wol Euler: heheh
    Maxine Walden: hi, everyone
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Samuo
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): hey max/sam
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Good, chat is recording
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Maxine
    Samúð (oo0oo): Hi Wol, Aggers, Bruce, Aphrodite, Riddle, Xirana, Yaku, Maxine
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hi 0
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey, 0!
    Aphrodite Macbain: are you chairing Aggers?
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Dunno, am I?
    Aphrodite Macbain: sure!
    Wol Euler: go for it
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hang on, let's find Liz's email
    Maxine Walden: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: thanks aggers
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): This week the intention has been to discuss RL retreats, and perhaps
    also to touch on SL retreats, however of course there are any number of topics in play at any given time.
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): (quote)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Is San with us?
    Riddle Sideways: ah, topics in play
    Aphrodite Macbain: no she's not here right now
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Can't really discuss retreats without her being present I think
    Aphrodite Macbain: She had suggested each person who recommended a place for a retreat talk about it a little
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Oh ok, well, let's do that then
    Wol Euler: yes, as I remember she didn't want to talk much herself
    Aphrodite Macbain: Who among us recommended a retreat?
    Wol Euler raises her hand
    Aphrodite Macbain: Wol- anyone else?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Riddle I remember you did, and I did
    Riddle Sideways did
    Aphrodite Macbain: Noone else?
    Riddle Sideways: huge lag here
    Aphrodite Macbain: ah.
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Sunday :(
    Aphrodite Macbain: Well I can quickly say that I mentioned a place called Annamakerrig (sp?) which is a beautiful site in the middle of Ireland
    Riddle Sideways: if you did not make a recommandation then we are all coming over to your house
    Aphrodite Macbain: in the country side. with residences
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): That sounds nice Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: we would have to investigate the costs but youwould get to it from Dublin by bus or car.
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): where I live is nice and quiet...but the problem is the transport :(
    Aphrodite Macbain: So it would be more expensive for those in north america
    Aphrodite Macbain: Costs are always an issue. Perhaps who ever recommends the place should also find out about rental costs
    Aphrodite Macbain: So we could compare
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yes, true Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'll look into mine.
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): ty
    Riddle Sideways: ok, will look see
    Samúð (oo0oo): paradox.. nice places should have neither too much advertisement, nor good transportation.. in order to remain.. nice
    Aphrodite Macbain: Riddle, Wol? where did you recommend?
    Wol Euler: (in german)
    Aphrodite Macbain: good point 0
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth) nods @ 0
    Aphrodite Macbain: can you translate Wol?
    Wol Euler: it#s a retreat centre on a working farm in the middle of the countryside, so it would be for "enclosed" retreats
    Aphrodite Macbain: enclosed?
    Wol Euler: cut off, separate from the world
    Wol Euler: non-city type
    Wol Euler: I'll repeat what I told Santo
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): To keep the Buddhists in :p
    Wol Euler: last October we held a retreat at Hofgut Rineck. It's a meditation/retreat/spirituality centre on a working farm, quite cut off from the world (though with cellphone coverage and wifi). Good food, good rooms, comfortable accomodation, very friendly people; I found it very much worth its price. The centre is vegetarian, smoke-free and alcohol-free.
    Aphrodite Macbain: ah. That's what we're looking for. Annamakkerig is too
    Wol Euler: 56 beds in 22 rooms - two of which are wheelchair-accessible
    3 seminar rooms, 34 to 130 sq metres; at least one of these is not wheelchair accessible
    3 dining rooms for up to 150 people; as far as I know all at ground level
    It's a bit hard to get to: there is a train station 6km (uphill) away from the centre, but it's on a regional branch line with one train per hour. We managed OK, but for a larger group we would probably want to arrange bus transport for the group. Once there, you are pretty well cut off unless you have a car.
    Wol Euler: if I remember rightly, it cost 350 Euros per person for a week including all meals
    Aphrodite Macbain: Is the transportation wheelchair accessible?
    Wol Euler: as good as any public transport is, aph
    Wol Euler: in germany, that means "yes" :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Wol Euler: but once there, might be difficult
    Aphrodite Macbain: 2 rooms are wheelchair accessible
    Wol Euler: the retreat room we used was on the first floor (american second, one up from ground)
    Wol Euler: our rooms were on the second (american third)
    Aphrodite Macbain: with elevators?
    Wol Euler: I believe not
    Wol Euler: which is why I mentioned that
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Does anyone at PaB require use of a wheelchair - Zen does I think
    Wol Euler: I don't remember seeing one
    Wol Euler: Zen
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yep
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hmm then it becomes an issue
    Wol Euler: it was a great place, I was very pleased. Yaku, agree/disagree?
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): it´s been very nice
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): and the employee´s as well and the owners also created a pleasant atmosphere
    Aphrodite Macbain: 350 euros is about 450$ no?
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Absolutely no idea Aph
    Aphrodite Macbain: !!! Wol? Yaku?
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): more like 500$ but i think it was a bit cheaper
    Wol Euler: around that, yes
    Wol Euler: 482 at friday's excahnge rate
    Aphrodite Macbain: right
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Thx wol
    Wol Euler: yw
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): that's not too bad
    Aphrodite Macbain: Riddle? You suggested a few places in California
    Riddle Sideways: Tassajara is out of the question for travel, but lovely
    Riddle Sideways: http://www.esalen.org/
    Riddle Sideways: is better
    Aphrodite Macbain: how better?
    Riddle Sideways: still 2 hours from airport
    Aphrodite Macbain: Is it expensive?
    Riddle Sideways: chart in the middle of http://www.esalen.org/workshops/reservations.html
    Riddle Sideways: depends much on what housing and services/workshops choosen
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): i still wonder about what ,,pab" needs for the reatreat and the pure costs of the accomodation how much the organizational fee´s are to have more transparency for the costs
    Aphrodite Macbain: 2-3 persons per room
    Wol Euler: ask eos, but reckon on adding 150 or so US$
    Aphrodite Macbain: per night ?
    Wol Euler: no total
    Aphrodite Macbain: well it would be affordable to we west coasters but expensive for people in Europe or the east coast
    Aphrodite Macbain: Xirana -had you proposed a place?
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): no, I have not :)
    Aphrodite Macbain thinks that is a shame. She's been wanting to go to spain for a long time
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Awww
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): you can come anyway and visit me:))
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Aphrodite Macbain grins
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): well, spain especially barcelona is affordable to reach
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): from all over europe
    Aphrodite Macbain: Looks like we have more work to do- perhaps each person who recommends a site should give cost breakdown for a week. Although cost is not the only criterion for selection
    Wol Euler: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Retreats/Past_retreats/2010/2010-10_Stuttgart%2c_DE <- cost for last year
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): That would be good yes
    Arisia Vita is Online
    Aphrodite Macbain: That's a useful form,at Wol thanks
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'll check out my Irish site. Zen also had a suggestion for Ireland.
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Thx Aph
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Anyone else have any suggestions?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Perhaps we can put out an mail to all Guardians to add this information in their proposal
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Right
    Aphrodite Macbain: who would do this?
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): there is a Sanctuary here http://www.slideshare.net/irisblaus/...ri-de-la-salut I really don't know how they survive... no information in English :))
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): I'll mention it to Liz, see what she thinks
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Oh dear Xira
    Aphrodite Macbain: OK Aggers. We can use the template that Wol suggested.
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth) nods
    Aphrodite Macbain: could you do some reseach on this Xirana and recommend it if you think it might be what we need?
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yes Xira, please do
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I see the transport as the most big problem:) it's at least 2 hour from and airport and by car... no public transport
    Aphrodite Macbain: we'd have to rent a bus
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes :)
    Wol Euler: on the other hand, that might mean that we travel only twice, yes rent a bus
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): it's a nice place, ery quiet and not very expensive :)
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): 10 km from my house :)
    Wol Euler: oh, we could all stay with you :)
    Wol Euler: just drive back and forth
    Samúð (oo0oo): thinking out loud: If in Ireland.. think it would be best to find most accessable place such that Zen can attend as easily as possible.. hm.. perhaps need to talk with him about what is workable.
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): yes:)) no problem..only depends on how many and better when it is no cold:)
    Aphrodite Macbain: agreed 0
    Aphrodite Macbain: I feel it would be fair if the next retreat happened in Europe
    Wol Euler: hello luci
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hello Luci :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: so there is a balance
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): hey luci
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hello Luuci:)
    Aphrodite Macbain: hello Cinda
    Riddle Sideways: bye cinda
    Samúð (oo0oo): Luci :) I'll send you a notecard if you wish?
    Riddle Sideways: wb
    Wol Euler: there is the language issue to consider :) forgive me if I guess that we Euros do better in English than most of the Americans do in Spanish or Fench or German :)
    Wol Euler: meaning perhaps that we shold consider england or ireland particularly
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): hehe...I am sure of it, Wol :)
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hi, Luci.
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Wouldn't matter on the silent day [grin]
    Wol Euler: yeah
    Aphrodite Macbain: good point Wol although we will be speaking to ourselves mostly
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): haha
    Wol Euler: true enough
    Maxine Walden: important, though humbling, factor, Wol
    Wol Euler: and if it were an isolated retreat then it doesn't mattter
    Wol Euler: that would only come up if we wanted another urban retreat
    Aphrodite Macbain: exactly
    Wol Euler: doorbell plumber is here
    Aphrodite Macbain: I am sure we are all capable of managing the transportation system of any country
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): What's a doorbell plumber?
    Riddle Sideways: wb cinda
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray) remembers -- his urologist also calls himself "The Plumber."
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): hello again Luci
    Aphrodite Macbain: someone who plumbs doorbells Aggers
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): OMG
    Lucinda Lavender: thanks sam
    Lucinda Lavender: sleeping in
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Get your beauty sleep Luci
    Aphrodite Macbain: + an extra hour!
    Riddle Sideways: but chickens wanted out at same time today :)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Even more beautiful then :p
    Lucinda Lavender: so true about chickens
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Rooster booster
    Lucinda Lavender: getting sleep to help fix my cough which with a concert this week is hopefully not here for long
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Are we happy with what we have covered with retreats then?
    Lucinda Lavender: sam it comes up empty:)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Or any more to add?
    Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps we can ask San to help in this process Aggers
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): If not, is there any other business anyone wishes to bring up?
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yes Aph
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): we need her input
    Aphrodite Macbain: Perhaps next week I will raise some more of the recommendations that we made from the Vashon retreat
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Okay
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): hopefully San will be present then
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): I mst go now... take care all!! :)
    Maxine Walden: good idea, Aph
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Adios Xira
    Aphrodite Macbain: By Xirana
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Nye, Xir!
    Xirana (xirana.oximoxi): bye:)
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): cya later xirana
    Riddle Sideways: buy Xir
    Aphrodite Macbain: via con dios
    Samúð (oo0oo): Bye Xirana
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Anything else anyone wants to discuss?
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Anything bothering us?
    Riddle Sideways: :)
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Do you think that San can offer some Vashonable suggestions?
    Aphrodite Macbain: any recommendations for Guardians. we have a WG meeting on Wednesday
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth) throws a cushion at Brucie
    Samúð (oo0oo): was just thinking how nicely paced and focused and considerate the conversation has been so far
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Seems everybody's happy then - good :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: any recommendations for new guardians?
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): just for the record... did you mean to say that the WG mtg is on Wed. November 9th? at 11:30 SLT?
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): (from Bleu's email to Aph)
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes, not Thursday -that's WOK
    Aphrodite Macbain: sorry-too many meetings
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): but the time?
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Don't confuse your WG with your WoK
    Aphrodite Macbain: 11:30 as last time
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): 11:30 slt.
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Aphrodite Macbain: as last time
    Aphrodite Macbain: OK no recommendations.
    Aphrodite Macbain crosses that agenda item off her list
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): WG Wizards sign. . .
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Is SL retreats something we should be thinking about?
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): sigh. . .
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): hi :
    Aphrodite Macbain: I have no more room in my head
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Hey, Boxy!
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): we don't seem to have discussed them for a while
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hi Boxy
    boxy's nose: Bruce clicks boxy's nose
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): hey boxy :)
    boxy's nose: Aggers scratches the nose persistently!
    Aphrodite Macbain: great timing boxy
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): *nods*
    boxy's nose: Yaku softly kisses boxy's nose
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): As always :p
    boxy's nose: Bruce pokes boxy's nose
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Wonder how Wol's plumber is getting on?
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): *notes sam across the room sitting lonely*
    boxy's nose: Riddle Sideways gently squeezes boxy's nose
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth) waves to 0
    Samúð (oo0oo): alone.. not lonely.. good to see you Boxy :)
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): newsflash from the hermit: "Alone" does not mean "lonely."
    Lucinda Lavender: :))
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Indeed
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): snap.
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: separate and distinct
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Think of "alone" as a personal retreat.
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): i wonder what hermitage still means when we are still even digitally connected to the world
    Aphrodite Macbain: solitude does not mean loneliness" -E A Poe
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): *recalls a song "lonesome town"*
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Maybe we should have the retreat there...
    Aphrodite Macbain: in lonesome town?
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Yeh
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Sounds good
    Aphrodite Macbain: then it wouldn't be lonesome
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): yaku, sometimes you're even more of a hermit in a big city with lots of connections
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): "Hermitage" means one still has the option of being alone. . . (turn off the computer).
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): one can be alone in masses
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): In the Blue Ridge mountains of Virginia...
    Riddle Sideways: ok, you ppl are getting silly
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): We ARE silly Rid
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): riddle leaves...
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): bye all leavers
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): take care
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye
    Aphrodite Macbain: Bye! everyone. Have a wonderful Sunday
    Riddle Sideways: riddle goes buy by
    Riddle Sideways: thanks all
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): wait, riddle! don't go! i'll say somethign smart now!
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Praise the clocks for they are right again
    Lucinda Lavender: hi and bi Riddle
    Bruce (bruce.mowbray): Time to meet with the Quackers . . . Thanks, everyone.
    Lucinda Lavender: riddle
    Lucinda Lavender: sorry
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Quack well Bruce
    Samúð (oo0oo): ○o。.< QuACK > .。o○
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): take care bruce
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): eh...
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): I'm adorable
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): :)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): B...
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): (never mind then)
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): 2 minutes till the end
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): what's left on the agenda?
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Of the world?
    Maxine Walden: will tip-toe out...see you all later...
    Samúð (oo0oo): Nice meeting.. thanks everyone, and well wishes into your mornings, days, evenings, and nights (those who left, or are leaving)
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Thought that's next year
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Bye Max
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): thank you :)
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): bye max
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth) draws RL curtains
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Looks like meeting over then folks
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): aga gets up
    Yaku (yakuzza.lethecus): cya soon aggers
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): hmm
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): I'll go and post this on the wiki then
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): bye for now
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): merci the boots girl :)
    Lucinda Lavender: nice outfit aggers
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Hope your doorbell plumbs well Wol :)
    boxy (alfred.kelberry): i like woly's outfit today
    Aggers (agatha.macbeth): Thanks :)
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