2013.08.17 01:00 - Walking in the Dark

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[01:03] Wol Euler: timezone-appropriate greetings, zon!
[01:03] Zon Kwan: hi wol
[01:04] Zon Kwan: or good morning
[01:04] Wol Euler smiles.
[01:04] Wol Euler: how are you?
[01:04] Zon Kwan: good, going soon to star the day
[01:04] Zon Kwan: how has yours started ?
[01:05] Wol Euler: well, it's less than half an hour old :) but it began well enough, with a cheese roll and coffee
[01:05] Zon Kwan: ah
[01:05] Zon Kwan: sounds good

[01:06] Zon Kwan: is there a theme for this week ?
[01:06] Wol Euler: always :) they are on the big board below the avatar pictures
[01:06] Zon Kwan: searches
[01:07] Wol Euler: here :)

[01:07] Zon Kwan: motivation
[01:07] Zon Kwan: intention
[01:08] Wol Euler: specifically, what motivates people to come here

[01:08] Zon Kwan: what is the difference
[01:08] Wol Euler: the focus
[01:08] Wol Euler: "motivation" is an unfocussed topic, which is also fine but may lead to unfocussed discussion
[01:09] Zon Kwan: hm
[01:09] Zon Kwan: intention is specific
[01:09] Wol Euler: good morning, cat
[01:09] Catrinamonblue Resident: morning :)
[01:09] Zon Kwan: hi cat

[01:10] Wol Euler: to me motivation and intention are like strategy and tactics
[01:10] Zon Kwan: my intention is to go to run
[01:10] Zon Kwan: my motivation is to get exercise ?
[01:10] Wol Euler: your motivation is to improve your life by getting fitter and less fatter :)
[01:10] Wol Euler: (example)
[01:11] Wol Euler: that's how I see it, yes
[01:11] Zon Kwan: and intention is the series of actions to achieve this
[01:11] Wol Euler nods.
[01:11] Wol Euler: I'd say so

[01:12] Zon Kwan: and motivations are often unconscious
[01:12] Wol Euler nods.
[01:13] Zon Kwan: my intention is to watch a movie
[01:13] Zon Kwan: my motivation might be to learn
[01:13] Wol Euler: or to avoid a brewing confrontation at home :)
[01:13] Zon Kwan: or to relief my boredom
[01:13] Zon Kwan: nods
[01:14] Zon Kwan: same action, different motivations
[01:14] Wol Euler: perhaps only one of those motivations is known to yourself, though clear to outside observers
[01:14] Wol Euler: yep
[01:14] Zon Kwan: and behind a motivation might be a deeper motivation
[01:14] Catrinamonblue Resident: Can the intention be good and the motivation be selfish?
[01:15] Zon Kwan: yes i think os

[01:16] Zon Kwan: it is important to try to find out the deepest motivations
[01:16] Wol Euler nods.
[01:16] Zon Kwan: basic desire
[01:16] Catrinamonblue Resident: fear
[01:16] Zon Kwan: hm
[01:17] Zon Kwan: fear and desire
[01:17] Zon Kwan: to have something
[01:17] Zon Kwan: something that is missing
[01:18] Zon Kwan: that we feel we miss
[01:19] Wol Euler nods.
[01:19] Catrinamonblue Resident: yes
[01:19] Zon Kwan: all you need is love
[01:19] Catrinamonblue Resident: sometimes love is not enough though

[01:20] Wol Euler: that's only true for certain values of "all" :)
[01:20] Zon Kwan: give me an example
[01:20] Wol Euler: even people who have love also need to eat
[01:20] Catrinamonblue Resident: smiles
[01:20] Zon Kwan: thats an intention
[01:20] Wol Euler: it's a physical need, not eating causes death
[01:21] Wol Euler: most of us intend not to die (in the short term)
[01:21] Zon Kwan: physical need is not the deepest motivation
[01:22] Wol Euler: define "deepest"?
[01:22] Zon Kwan: i eat because i want to live
[01:22] Zon Kwan: need to exist is deeper

[01:24] Zon Kwan is motivated to exercise and intents to run now
[01:24] Zon Kwan: have a good day
[01:24] Wol Euler: motivation or intentoin? :)
[01:24] Wol Euler: bye zon
[01:24] Catrinamonblue Resident: bye Zon :)
[01:26] Catrinamonblue Resident: the days are getting shorter now, the sun comes up later :) it's still too dark yet to go out for my walk
[01:27] Wol Euler nods.
[01:27] Wol Euler: the cycle starts up again
[01:27] Catrinamonblue Resident: yes
[01:27] Catrinamonblue Resident: time has a way of slipping past

[01:28] Catrinamonblue Resident: I can't help some days but find myself ruminating on what the past year has been for me
[01:28] Wol Euler listens.
[01:28] Catrinamonblue Resident: ups and downs turmoil pain heartache
[01:28] Catrinamonblue Resident: and joy too
[01:28] Catrinamonblue Resident: good things
[01:28] Catrinamonblue Resident: such as the good friends I have made here :)
[01:29] Catrinamonblue Resident: and finding strength
[01:29] Catrinamonblue Resident: motivation to keep moving on
[01:29] Catrinamonblue Resident: despite the pain and heartache
[01:29] Wol Euler nods.

[01:32] Catrinamonblue Resident: life takes us in such interesting directions sometimes, and in the moment of it it's hard to see or understand why
[01:33] Catrinamonblue Resident: but it seems each turn in the road is growth and learning
[01:33] Catrinamonblue Resident: becoming more of who we are
[01:33] Wol Euler nods.
[01:34] Catrinamonblue Resident: I'm ruminating too much :)
[01:34] Wol Euler: says who?

[01:34] Wol Euler: self-knowledge is a good thing, all the sages agree on that
[01:35] Catrinamonblue Resident: yes but sometimes we can think too much about where we have been and trip on the road to where we are going
[01:35] Wol Euler: but it does risk devolving into picking at scabs, over and over
[01:35] Catrinamonblue Resident: yes exactly
[01:36] Catrinamonblue Resident: a balance there to acknowledge what was and be open to what is
[01:36] Wol Euler nods.
[01:38] Catrinamonblue Resident: and maybe walking in the dark is an acknowledgment of what is, that we never really know what is going to happen and have to trust in something greater than ourselves
[01:38] Wol Euler smiles.
[01:38] Wol Euler: that#s a nice analogy
[01:38] Catrinamonblue Resident: :)
[01:42] Wol Euler: perhaps one sees inward more clearly when the view outward is obscured
[01:42] Catrinamonblue Resident: nods
[01:43] Catrinamonblue Resident: I think I will head out, being Saturday I can go for a longer walk without worry of being back in time to go to work :)
[01:44] Wol Euler smiles.
[01:44] Wol Euler: enjoy the day, dear cat.
[01:44] Catrinamonblue Resident: you too Wol