The Guardian for this meeting was Mickorod Renard. Shinju posted this record.
真珠: 's current display-name is "真珠".
Mickorod Renard: Hi
真珠: Hi Mick :)
Mickorod Renard: How are you?
真珠: Did you give some thought to how you'd like this to go?
真珠: Hi Bruce :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Shin and Mick!
Mickorod Renard: No, I sort of forgot
Mickorod Renard: and last week went so quick
真珠 nods
真珠: I was thinking it would be a good idea to ask for people to generally do what Bruce has just done, which is to arrive on time if they want to add their dream to the mix?
[Bruce inserted his dream (copied from the notecard that he passed out during the Dreams session):
--BELL--
Mickorod Renard: i think we could just plat it by ear until it picks up
Mickorod Renard: ok great
Bruce Mowbray nods, agrees.
真珠: My only concern is that some might not come if there isn't a bit of structure... helps people to remember
Mickorod Renard: I was struggling a bit handing out note cards,,i need to get that sorted
真珠 nods
Mickorod Renard: yes, a bit of a structure and timed slot is good
真珠: Okay am going to read Brucie's dream now :) Anyone want to send a notice?
真珠: I did send an email earlier
Bruce Mowbray: I will send a notice to the Friends of PaB
Mickorod Renard: any clues how to do that?
真珠: lol
Mickorod Renard: cheers bruce
真珠: Hi Aph, beautiful gown
Mickorod Renard: i will read Bruces card
Aphrodite Macbain: Grazie
Mickorod Renard: Hi aph
Good for everyone to know:
真珠: To send notice, go to your groups and find the playasbeinghere group, then click "info" and find the tab that is labeled "notices"
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Mick
真珠: then there is a button to send a new one.
Mickorod Renard: ok thanks
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks Bruce!
Dream discussion begins (detailed notecard given in session)
真珠: interesting dream - right now is graduation season! I attended one on Monday
真珠: Hi Elan :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Interesting and very detailed dream Bruce! Lots of anxiety there, no?
ElanVitalo Resident: Heya, everyone!
Mickorod Renard: yes, cool dream Bruce
Mickorod Renard: Hi Elan
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Elan
Bruce Mowbray: kk, just returned from sending out notices to the Friends group.
Aphrodite Macbain wonders what Elan will have to say about Bruce's dream
真珠: ty!
Mickorod Renard: great, thanks Bruce
Mickorod Renard: I wonder where the buppy and lady fit in
Mickorod Renard: Puppy
Bruce Mowbray: kk, Are we started yet?
真珠: am good to go
ElanVitalo Resident: I am.
Aphrodite Macbain: I think so...
Mickorod Renard: well, I have read the dream Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Great. TY.
Mickorod Renard: its a very nice one I must say
Bruce's intro
Bruce Mowbray: It was a rare one for me..
Bruce Mowbray: I usually can't remember them,
Aphrodite Macbain: In what way?
Mickorod Renard: lots of vision conjured up in my mind
Bruce Mowbray: and they are usually not so well coordinated.
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes- it's very detailed
Bruce Mowbray: So, we're discussing mine, then?
Mickorod Renard: yes...if thats ok?
ElanVitalo Resident: Sounds like it, Brucie.
Aphrodite Macbain: Is there another?
Bruce Mowbray: Nope, just this one.
真珠: I like when one is aware of their 'internal' questions, like you are in the dream, watching for others' actions re diplomas
Bruce Mowbray: I remembered it vividly when i woke..
Mickorod Renard: I was wondering whether the lady and puppy fit anywhere?
Bruce Mowbray: and recorded it in detail at once, on my voice recorder.
真珠: I may share one later but it doesn't have any like-associations so will hold
Bruce Mowbray: I've been reflecting on it all day -- and now think that
Mickorod Renard: yes, good point Shin
Bruce Mowbray: it is about the loss of innocence and trust.
真珠: that's the feeling you have?
Bruce Mowbray: and how we "cover" ourselves.
Bruce Mowbray: [protection, perhaps]
真珠: Aph mentioned anxiety
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, there is much anxiety in the dream.
Bruce Mowbray: but under-layered.
Mickorod Renard: I sort of picked up on that..but my dreams are a lil anxious these days too
真珠: the glass wall is a strong symbol
Bruce Mowbray: Are you folks familiar with someone's suggesting that each individual in the dream represents some part of the dreamer?
Aphrodite Macbain: something wanted but unreachable...
真珠: yes
Mickorod Renard: my views on the world and on mankind have become more sceptical as I am getting older
Bruce Mowbray: Well, that's surely true of this one - for me.
真珠: you had to entrust someone vulnerable to someone less known?
Bruce Mowbray: I am the Black woman, and the graduate, and the puppy, and the person who says I can't do the ceremony.
Aphrodite Macbain: you are more skeptical about this dream Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: What do you mean, Aph?
Bruce Mowbray: How so.
Bruce Mowbray: ?
Bruce Mowbray: More skeptical than what?
Aphrodite Macbain: my views on the world and on mankind have become more sceptical as I am getting older [13:10] Bruce: Well, that's surely true of this one - for me.
Mickorod Renard: that was me aph
Bruce Mowbray: There are trust issues everywhere, for sure.
Mickorod Renard: I was thinking that of trust
Aphrodite Macbain: Bruce: Well, that's surely true of this one - for me
Mickorod Renard: re skeptical
Bruce Mowbray: Trust is tested everywhere in the dream.
真珠: lots in here... legitimacy (diploma and even name/identity validation) withheld
Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder what the puppy represents - your innocent self beffore the diploma?
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Shin... and also the "authority" of cap and gown..
Mickorod Renard: vulnerability?
Bruce Mowbray: and whether they can be trusted -- or whether they are credentials for moving forward, etc.
Bruce Mowbray: and the glass wall, of course.
真珠 nods
Bruce Mowbray: The puppy trusts everyone, of course.
真珠: some part you wish to keep innocent and soft maybe
Mickorod Renard: was the glass a fragile protection?
Bruce Mowbray: and other parts are wounded... so less trusting.
Mickorod Renard: wow,,what a cool dream
Bruce Mowbray: The glass might be trust itself -- transparency.
Mickorod Renard: true, maybe
Bruce Mowbray: or vulnerability.
真珠: the soft part trusted her more than the part you are as 'you' in the dream - has own intuition you had to trust
--BELL--
真珠: or at least act on
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, and what do you make of my interviewing her in the basement of her house -- over a meal?
Bruce Mowbray: I could not get away from the sexual overtones of that.
Mickorod Renard: can you recall whether the glass was supposed to be a protective screen?
Aphrodite Macbain: As I understand it a house represents your life and the basement your past
Bruce Mowbray: The glass was not a protective screen in the dream... just a separation,
Aphrodite Macbain: meal may mean family
Bruce Mowbray: totally transparent from floor to roof.
真珠: see it as scrutinizing somewhat.... wanting to get beyond image
Mickorod Renard: mmmmmmm
Bruce Mowbray: beyoud the "image" that cap and gown and ceremony represent, Shin?
真珠: yes perhaps, resistance
Bruce Mowbray: Do our coverings enable trust or bar us from it?
Mickorod Renard: do you have an intuitive opinion Bruce?
Aphrodite Macbain listens
Bruce Mowbray: Trying to answer Mick's question: The older I get, the more I have to make a conscious decision to be trusting.... And yet, the more I actually DO trust!
真珠: hmmm... you demanded she make herself vulnerable before you would entrust your vulnerableness to her
Bruce Mowbray: "demanded"?
真珠: insisted on basement
Qt Core: Hi all
真珠: Hi Qt :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi QT
Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Qt
真珠: Would you like a notecard?
Bruce Mowbray: Did I insist on that? I thought she suggested we meet there so she would feel more comfortable... in her own home.
Bruce Mowbray: I will give you a notecard, Qt.
Qt Core: yes, ty if it is not a problem
真珠: (reads again) ah yes, I misread... thought you asked for that location
Bruce Mowbray: There you are.
真珠: Sure qt, no prob at all
Mickorod Renard: well, I keep reflecting about myself whilst looking at this dream Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Please say more, Mick.
Qt Core: got it from bruce
Mickorod Renard: Just that I seem to be going through similar paterns in life as you at the moment,,I think
Bruce Mowbray: Nods.
Mickorod Renard: questioning,,
真珠: that's the dream, and here is the session so far, Qt :)
Bruce Mowbray: We're definitely both beyond the "puppy" stage of innocence, for sure.
Mickorod Renard: what were concrete thoughts now seem questionable
Bruce Mowbray: nods, agrees.
Bruce Mowbray: ty, Shin.
Bruce Mowbray: I had one question for myself when I woke up.
真珠 listens
真珠: really trust first impressions
Bruce Mowbray: Did I actually try to find the diploma, or did I let it go?
真珠: did you not dress, intentionally?
Bruce Mowbray: The diploma was "lost" in the ceremony.
Bruce Mowbray: I could not pick up my cap and gown... because I had to interview the woman...
Bruce Mowbray: to take care of the puppy.
Bruce Mowbray: but I did wear the perfunctory suit.
Aphrodite Macbain: Your dream reminds me of a persistent dream I used to have Bruce - walking into a classroom late with everyone looking at me - naked. I wonder if it connects to a fear of looking "different" from your peers.
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Raffi. I just gave you a copy of my dream.
真珠 nods... I'm stepping back because I seem to be interpreting things in a devious way, as though you are tricking yourself :)
真珠: and that is not a clear reading :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi Raffi
真珠: Raffi, Hi!
真珠: I'll give you a notecard of session so far
Bruce Mowbray: Interesting point, Aph -- but I truly know that I'm WAYYY beyond that sort of conformity in RL.
Aphrodite Macbain: now or then?
Raffila Millgrove: (sorry to be so late.. something off with my connection)
Bruce Mowbray: Now.
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Raffi
Wol Euler: evening all, sorry I'm late
Bruce Mowbray: It's taken a whole lifetime to get there, though.
Bruce Mowbray: Hey Wol. I will give you a nc of my dream.
Aphrodite Macbain: Wasnt this a dream you had ages ago though?
Mickorod Renard: i had thought that perhaps there had been either a change in priority..maybe the puppy was more important that the diploma,,at that time
Wol Euler: oh ty
真珠: Hi Wol :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi Wol
Aphrodite Macbain: Grins and waves at Wol
Bruce Mowbray: No, this is a brand new dream - I just had it last night. and recorded it when I woke up.
Aphrodite Macbain: ohhh sorry
Aphrodite Macbain: I misunderstood
Mickorod Renard: he he , I also imagine Bruce as a young student and sort of gives that past impression
Bruce Mowbray: What I sort of "like" about this dream is that I feel more confident being vulnerable.
Aphrodite Macbain: :)
Mickorod Renard: I started to find that being honest ..maybe too honest is now more comfortable to me,,but others dont like it,,he he
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray agrees totally with Mick about the honesty thing.
真珠: So your impression of the dream is that your priorities are expressing less focus on outward validations of accomplishment?
Bruce Mowbray: Definitely so, Shin.
Bruce Mowbray: That's one impression, anyway.
真珠: I think that first impression is really important
Bruce Mowbray: I've taken up half of this session... Does anyone else have a dream to share?
Aphrodite Macbain: I suppose it depends on what you are being honest about
Mickorod Renard: I think shin has one?
Bruce Mowbray: or any more to say about my dream?
Wol Euler: ah
真珠: I'm happy to continue with this one... has sparked interesting associations for everyone
Raffila Millgrove: is the cap and gown representative Bruce.. of this being graduation season?
Bruce Mowbray: kk, very good.
Time in the Dream
Raffila Millgrove: is there a timing thing to it?
Mickorod Renard: to this session or the dream?
Bruce Mowbray: to Raffi: before you arrived we discussed the cap and gown as "credential" for ceremony.
Mickorod Renard: Raffi
Raffila Millgrove: i mean the cap and gown in dream.
Raffila Millgrove: this is graduation time here in US everywhere.
Bruce Mowbray: I feel that the timing of the dream is very compressed.
Raffila Millgrove: ah ok. i read card but i must have missed that. the discussion card. sorry i hit on something already covered.
Bruce Mowbray: it could all have happened basically at the same time.
Bruce Mowbray: no, Raffi. Please say more about it, if you wish.
Bruce Mowbray: np.
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm sure your comments on Bruce's dream will be welcome Raffi
Mickorod Renard: I guess the timing was a catalyst for the setting of the stage
Bruce Mowbray: yes! indeed they will be welcome!
真珠: wonder if glass wall is sort of like internet interface
Bruce Mowbray: hmmm, had not thought of that, Shin.
真珠: doesn't connect to anything else, just a thought that popped up
Aphrodite Macbain: Interesting Shin
Bruce Mowbray: I found it interesting that the wall was entirely transparent - from floor to ceiling.
Aphrodite Macbain: but you knew there was a wall there...
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I actually had both hands pressed against it -- but didn't mention that in the nc.
真珠: I think everyone is dreaming about my puppy, lol (Bleu had a dream about a dachshund she shared in stevie's session)
真珠 giggling
Wol Euler chuckles.
Aphrodite Macbain: were you frustrated by that wall or relieved cBruce?
Bruce Mowbray: When I was very very young, I witnessed the birth of nine English setter puppies.
Raffila Millgrove: i think it's interesting that this is graduation time..and tho you really already have graduated in rl.. you have this frustrating dream of not being dressed right , not getting right diploma name.. and in end giving up on even getting it.
真珠: wow beautiful Bruce
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
真珠 nods Raffi
Bruce Mowbray: neither, Aph... I was glad that the young woman had arrived and was greeting her.
Raffila Millgrove: a lot of our dreams are strange revisiting of tihngs that already happened yet the dream presents the event totally different...
Bruce Mowbray: I'm curious about why I did not invite her to come inside my house -- the puppy and I had to go outside to meet her.
Mickorod Renard: do you find it a dilemna to be less concerned about money and more caring of nature even though you may feel you still need to take care of financial stability?..ie..the diploma is valuable,,but has this changing value?
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps she was from another time?
Bruce Mowbray: EVERYTHING in this dream is a re-visitation, Raffi.
Bruce Mowbray: Good point you made there!
Raffila Millgrove: the puppy shows up at graduation time and requires care .. even tho you saw those puppies born.. at perhaps a different time
Raffila Millgrove: real things that happened are being meshed together in strange permutations.
Bruce Mowbray: nods.
真珠: yes
Bruce Mowbray: Also, one of the RL puppies died when I was sixteen...
Aphrodite Macbain: brains tend to do that :-)
真珠: :)
Bruce Mowbray: the year before I graduated from HS, but in the dream it's a college graduation.
Raffila Millgrove nods to Aph.
真珠: aw, so extra sense of vulnerability there
Repair and Reconcilliation
Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder why we go back to earlier times in our lives. Perhaps to make repairs?
Bruce Mowbray: Last night I watched a DVD about trust and colleges -- "EQUALITY U" - very good show, actually.
Mickorod Renard: I recently quit working so that i could spend time looking after grandchildren..its turned my values inside out,,and my dreams
Raffila Millgrove: it's very textbook classic kind of dream with so many emotions that you mention--trust, anxiety, disappointment, frustration. i hate to say it but it feels like an "aging" dream.. so many of the negatives of aging. crammed into that happy time of graduation when future is supposed to be all ahead on one.
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
真珠: making reconciliation?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Bruce Mowbray: I definitely feel it is an aging dream, Raffi -- another excellent point.
Aphrodite Macbain: trying it on for size again
Raffila Millgrove: totally. gosh it's awful to say i can relate to it. hahaha
Mickorod Renard: he he
Wol Euler chuckles.
Wol Euler: well, none of us is getting younger
Bruce Mowbray: every passage into another phase of life might be a "graduation"
Aphrodite Macbain sighs and grins
Raffila Millgrove: well at least the puppy is well cared for in it. he does ok out of it.
Raffila Millgrove: you did take care of your one big responsilbity. he is in good shape there.
真珠: :))
Wol Euler nods.
Mickorod Renard: a wonderful dream Bruce..so inviting of thoughts
真珠: definitely
Bruce Mowbray: ty.
真珠: I love that view of the dream
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Bruce Mowbray: Someone else have a dream -- or more thoughts?
Raffila Millgrove: great dream bruce for sharing. ty!!!
Wol Euler: thank you, bruce
Bruce Mowbray: yw.
Bruce Mowbray: ty.
Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder why it was a young Back woman...
Aphrodite Macbain: Black
Bruce Mowbray: I wondered that too.
Mickorod Renard: yes, I didnt like to ask
Bruce Mowbray: It's an excellent question..
Aphrodite Macbain: I dreamed of something similar and felt that they were soft, warm and safe
Bruce Mowbray: in RL, the only one of three women who is regular with her monthly payments to me (for loans I gave them) is Black woman living in Chicago.
Bruce Mowbray: In fact, I received her monthly check just today.
Bruce Mowbray: The other two (women) are white and are no longer making payments.
Mickorod Renard: well,,there is the trust
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: yeppers.
Mickorod Renard: I have an expendable dream..I could throw in
真珠: Early today, a close friend was napping was awoken with panic about her mom, as though her mom was calling her. She got up and ran to her mom's room, where she woke her mother because she didn't look good. A blood clot had burst in her leg.
Bruce Mowbray: also, a "meal" is a sharing... perhaps of bread and wine... and so that ws very significant to me.
Aphrodite Macbain: expendable?
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Bruce Mowbray: omg.
Mickorod Renard: just a rubbish bit dream
Bruce Mowbray: I hope your friend's mom is all right.
真珠: it wasn't a dream exactly but she was very soft and intuitive in sleeping - mom is in hospital for next 4 days, very dangerous
Wol Euler: wow
Bruce Mowbray: Wishing her mom the best in her recovery.
真珠: yes thanks. will see her tonight or tomorrow morning
Mickorod Renard: wow, just read that Shin
Wol Euler nods.
Raffila Millgrove: wow good they got her into hospital in time.. that stuff is so touch and go.
Bruce Mowbray: Hugs to her mom from all pabbers.
Wol Euler: yes please do
真珠: :))) thank you. She's a beautiful lady
Mickorod Renard: can be so dangerous
真珠: was there for me in difficult teen years
Bruce Mowbray: nods.
真珠: saint sandra :)
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Wol Euler: :)
Qt Core: rl calling, need to go, bye all
Bruce Mowbray: another small point about my dream:
Bruce Mowbray: bye Qt!
真珠: bye qt :)
Wol Euler: bye qt, take care
Aphrodite Macbain: ciao Qt
Mickorod Renard: well, maybe we could just discuss how this session in future weeks can progress?
Mickorod Renard: bye QT
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes
Mickorod Renard: sorry Bruce?
Mickorod Renard: yes?
Closing Scene
Bruce Mowbray: in the very last scene, I was sort of elevated above the assembly, and looking down on them from a distance, in the back of the auditorium.
Aphrodite Macbain: detached?
真珠: elevated, hm
Bruce Mowbray: felt "emancipated" and relieved not to have to be among them,
Bruce Mowbray: even though I thought I should retrieve the diploma somehow...
Raffila Millgrove: ah nice!
真珠: so you had your validation but of a different sort
Bruce Mowbray: but mixed feelings about the diploma, actually.
Mickorod Renard: perhaps thats the detachment of the importance that no longer is relevent
Bruce Mowbray: yes, agrees with Mick.
Bruce Mowbray: or at least not as important as it seemed to be earlier.
Mickorod Renard: yes, he he
Bruce Mowbray: after all, I DID not pick up the cap and gown, you'll remember.
Aphrodite Macbain: I saw an image on Facebook of a young monk wearing his monk's robes during a graduation ceremony - grounded by caps and gowns
Bruce Mowbray: Freud: there are no mistakes.
Aphrodite Macbain: surrounded
Bruce Mowbray: fascinating, Aph.
Aphrodite Macbain: similar atitude
Bruce Mowbray: nods, agrees.
真珠: very rich
Aphrodite Macbain: His beliefs were stronger than social pressure
Bruce Mowbray: That very much fits in with the movie I watched just before going to sleep., also.
Aphrodite Macbain: takes courage to do that
Bruce Mowbray: "Equality U"
真珠: I think it is healthier that it wasn't that you were not placing no value on diploma, but that you had different perspective
Bruce Mowbray: indeed, it does.
Mickorod Renard: social pressure,,,thats an interesting topic
Bruce Mowbray: and trusting inwardly - rather than merely outwardly.
Aphrodite Macbain: sounds interesting Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: trusting one's self--- regardless of one's surroundings.
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Bruce Mowbray: another thing that - we can hope - comes with aging.
Wol Euler smiles.
Aphrodite Macbain: To do that requires courage and self assurance though
Bruce Mowbray: nods.
Bruce Mowbray: and sometimes a loss of innocence.
Aphrodite Macbain: yes!
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: The songs of experience are richer than songs of innocence
Mickorod Renard: do you think inocence is what makes conditioning so adhesive?
真珠: both are needed, I think
Bruce Mowbray: the puppy only knows the Songs of Innocence.
真珠: Hi San :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi San
Santoshima Resident: hello :)
Wol Euler: hello san
Bruce Mowbray: I just gave San a copy of the dream.
Aphrodite Macbain smiles and waves at San
真珠: I need to get going, and let Eliza get tea before attending WG meeting
Bruce Mowbray: Can we establish a few guidelines for next week?
Mickorod Renard: kk say hi to her
真珠: thank you for an excellent and interesting session
Wol Euler: ah, yes
Aphrodite Macbain: me too - miles to go
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks, Shin.
Wol Euler: where weill that be?
Bruce Mowbray: Be well.
Aphrodite Macbain: bye everyone- thanks Mick, thanks Bruce
Mickorod Renard: Thanks to all
真珠: this worked well, actually, your coming on time and sharing a prepared notecard
Bruce Mowbray: bye.
真珠: then, others only if there is time
真珠: seems a good guide
Bruce Mowbray: Coming on time, prepared with nc if you have a dream to share...
Aphrodite Macbain: yes-"be prepared" dub dub dub
Bruce Mowbray: Good, Shin.
Mickorod Renard: is their a g m?
真珠: bfn
真珠: yes
Mickorod Renard: bfn
Bruce Mowbray: Excellent.
真珠: sat 2pm
Bruce Mowbray: May all be well .
Bruce Mowbray: and pleasant dreams, everyone.
Santoshima Resident: could someone send a LM for the WG mtg today?
Bruce Mowbray: (you too, Elan.)
Bruce Mowbray: It's right here, I thought.
Santoshima Resident: ok
Wol Euler: okay
Raffila Millgrove: bye Bruce. bye all.
Bruce Mowbray: bye for now.
Mickorod Renard: ok, I will slip away and free some space...bye everyone
Mickorod Renard: bye Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: thanks everyne.
Wol Euler: bye all, thank you
Raffila Millgrove: ty Mic.
Mickorod Renard: ty, I think we will try and do a dream session every week if anyone is interested
Wol Euler: very!
Wol Euler smiles.
Mickorod Renard: pass the word
Mickorod Renard: :)
Mickorod Renard: take care bye
Image of the HS graduation of friend's daughter (class of 900) that I attended on Monday:
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