2018.02.05 13:00 - Solar Punk and We Know What to Do

    The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal, who was unpacking some shopping items as Riddle. Tura, and Bleu arrived...


    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Riddle :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Tura :)
    Riddle Sideways: hi Tura
    Tura Brezoianu: hi Eliza, Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: Hey I was studying that
    Tura Brezoianu: and Bleu
    Eliza Madrigal: haha, I can put it back up if you like
    Riddle Sideways: how handsome people look ㋡

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    Bleu Oleander: hey all
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
    Riddle Sideways: hey Bleu
    Eliza Madrigal: There are some mixed signals about whether we are having Monday sessions still, so it is good to see everyone :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I think Agatha came before, but others weren't here yet
    Bleu Oleander: yes wasn't sure
    Eliza Madrigal: last week and before
    Bleu Oleander: but happy to say Hi
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Riddle Sideways: brb, going to get lunch from zipper
    Riddle Sideways: Zapper
    Tura Brezoianu: I wasn't sure either, also about Thursdays
    Eliza Madrigal: Thursdays are not happening for now
    Eliza Madrigal: at least until Mick's new grandchild arrives and they are settled
    Eliza Madrigal: then we'll see :)

    Art Sessions!

    Bleu Oleander: so just mondays?
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, I think that's the case
    Eliza Madrigal: Would be good to decide if we want to have more book sessions
    Eliza Madrigal: or have a different kind of focus for Mondays
    Eliza Madrigal listens for thoughts
    Eliza Madrigal: ^.^
    Riddle Sideways: hmmm, Monday thoughts?
    Bleu Oleander: we could have some art workshops in connection with our upcoming art exhibition?
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Sure, or any
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh, that's a good idea Bleu
    Eliza Madrigal: I visited the gallery - fantastic!
    Bleu Oleander: at least one workshop might be helpful?
    Eliza Madrigal: it would be!
    Bleu Oleander: I did put up several examples in the gallery
    Riddle Sideways: oh good
    Bleu Oleander: but seems some would like more help?
    Eliza Madrigal: maybe the time set aside to focus on that would help get ideas spinning, too
    Bleu Oleander: also there's a notecard with free texture animation scripts in the notecard
    Eliza Madrigal: you thought of everything :)
    Riddle Sideways: I bought a rubics cube and can't figure out how that was made ㋡
    Bleu Oleander: yes so we could decide for example that next monday's session might be a workshop?
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Bleu Oleander: ha Riddle
    Eliza Madrigal: Okay great. Would you like to send the email, or I can, either way


    Bleu Oleander: I can sure
    Eliza Madrigal: ty
    Bleu Oleander: for next monday?
    Eliza Madrigal: seems good to me
    Eliza Madrigal: give us a list of supplies to bring and make sure we remember to pack our lunches ;-)
    Bleu Oleander: LOL
    Riddle Sideways: got lunch now
    Bleu Oleander: the pieces are fun and relatively easy to make once you get the hang of it :)
    Eliza Madrigal: the way you made the examples show the steps a bit too
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: (oops)
    Bleu Oleander: of course the devil is in the details :)
    Riddle Sideways: yep
    Eliza Madrigal: it is always the one worrying about the bell who overruns the bell, hah
    Eliza Madrigal: <---
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bleu Oleander: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: I've hardly worked with scripts, but would like to
    Riddle Sideways: and oh and deciding WHAT to build
    Bleu Oleander: yep
    Eliza Madrigal: and there's that :)
    Bleu Oleander: the free scripts are easy to use
    Eliza Madrigal: I started to take the builders brewery classes once, but didn't keep with it
    Bleu Oleander: and editing them is also not beyond you guys :)
    Riddle Sideways: played with scripts and they are almost like programing
    Riddle Sideways: and Sun gave classes
    Eliza Madrigal: particle classes, I remember
    Bleu Oleander: these scripts are very simple
    Bleu Oleander: we're just animating textures
    Riddle Sideways: how to make a wooden box classes
    Eliza Madrigal: :) I remember playing a lot in those classes, posing for photos and oohing and ahhing at the better magicians
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Riddle Sideways: yep
    Eliza Madrigal: so that will be great, thanks Bleu
    Bleu Oleander: kk yw!

    '3 Breaths' exploration, and "the changing narrative of the self"

    Eliza Madrigal: Did everyone/anyone read Pema's email/blog exercise?
    Bleu Oleander: yes!
    Eliza Madrigal: What did you think?
    Bleu Oleander: sounded very "back to basics"
    Eliza Madrigal nods nods
    Bleu Oleander: similar to the beginnings
    Eliza Madrigal: yes!
    Eliza Madrigal: and pretty simple to carry around
    Bleu Oleander: indeed

    Bleu Oleander: our salon tonight is on "the changing narrative of the self"
    Eliza Madrigal: sounds interesting
    Bleu Oleander: psychologist from the university of arizona
    Riddle Sideways: that could be very good
    Eliza Madrigal: changing narrative to each person, or in the psychology realm?
    Bleu Oleander: Pema's email and link fits into the topic nicely
    Bleu Oleander: probably the stories we tell about ourselves which can be extended to the stories we tell ourselves about others too
    Eliza Madrigal: I like the ease of most of his blog posts, feels like something has dropped away or simplified... maybe wu wei-ing it
    Bleu Oleander: perhaps we've gotten more used to the language too
    Eliza Madrigal: true
    Eliza Madrigal: the whole thinking world has perhaps, in the last decade
    Bleu Oleander: well I wouldn't go that far LOL
    Eliza Madrigal grins
    Eliza Madrigal: should say in my 'feeds' mindstreams ^.^
    Bleu Oleander: yes
    Bleu Oleander: mainstream seems far from it these days

    Breakthrough of sorts

    Eliza Madrigal: One thing I'm realizing lately is how linked together cynicism over the future and "intellectualism" has become


    Riddle Sideways: oh dear
    Bleu Oleander: how so?
    Eliza Madrigal: so there may be some underlying optimism in that somehow actually...
    Bleu Oleander: what do you mean by intellectualism in this context?
    Eliza Madrigal: but I can't quite see it yet
    Eliza Madrigal: I learn a lot from my son...
    Eliza Madrigal: so lately he's been talking about how, his whole life, popular culture has centered around anti-hero ideal or dystopian ideas...
    Eliza Madrigal: everything so serious, and always working so hard
    Eliza Madrigal: he tells me that this is why a lot of gamers are more and more interested in the 80s aesthetic
    Eliza Madrigal: just fun, bright, too big and too optimistic
    Eliza Madrigal: and not 'thinking' so much
    Eliza Madrigal: and yet, he himself is a pretty wise and thinking kid
    Eliza Madrigal: but tries not to overlay it
    Eliza Madrigal: so that's what I'm pondering (done)
    Bleu Oleander: hmmm, maybe gamers are like that, but not most that I interface with
    Eliza Madrigal: in the context of film it applies too
    Bleu Oleander: I think it varies with where you orient yourself to and focus your attention
    Eliza Madrigal: always, I'm sure, but once he began to point it out I could see it here and there more

    Tura Brezoianu: I remember when the first Superman movie with Christopher Reeve came out, the line "truth, justice, and the American Way" could only be said ironically, but in the original comics they really meant it. And nowadays the Joker is practically a hero figure.
    Eliza Madrigal: that's precisely the kind of question
    Bleu Oleander: I guess I just haven't looked for that
    Tura Brezoianu: there is an optimistic backlash going on in science fiction though
    Tura Brezoianu: they call it "solarpunk"
    Eliza Madrigal: that's a new term to me
    Bleu Oleander: me too
    Riddle Sideways: yes, new term
    Tura Brezoianu: I came across it just a few weeks ago

    Bleu Oleander: can you flesh that out a bit?
    Eliza Madrigal just learned 'cyberpunk' :)
    Bleu Oleander: ha!
    Tura Brezoianu: Here's a definition from TV Tropes:
    Riddle Sideways: like it.

    Tura Brezoianu: "Solar Punk is a genre of Speculative Fiction that focuses on craftsmanship, community, and technology powered by renewable energy, wrapped up in a coating of Art Nouveau blended with African and Asian drawings. It envisions a free and egalitarian world with a slight bend toward social anarchism. Standing as both a reaction to the nihilism of Cyber Punk and a solution to a lot of the problems we face in the world, Solar punk works look toward a brighter future ("solar") while deliberately subverting the systems that keep that brighter future from happening ("punk")."

    Riddle Sideways: Green, holistic

    Bleu Oleander: solarpunk Solarpunk is a movement focused on a positive, ecological vision for a future where technology is used for human-centric and ecocentric purposes. It is a literary, artistic and aesthetic sub-genre and is also closely tied to eco-political activism. Solarpunk narratives have a distinctly positive and utopian foundation in contrast to the often dystopian visions found within other "punk" science fiction genres. Solarpunk is a literary movement, a hashtag, a flag, and a statement of intent about the future we hope to create.

    Riddle Sideways: ok, need to make that into a cake frosting
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, well I like that. He seems to be focusing on the "reaction to the nihilism of cyberpunk"
    Eliza Madrigal: !! Riddle !!
    Bleu Oleander: as long as there's chocolate in there somewhere lol
    Riddle Sideways: of course
    Eliza Madrigal: ha ha
    Eliza Madrigal: chocolate volcano
    Bleu Oleander: :)
    Tura Brezoianu: dystopias make for fun stories, but it's like mediaeval times, you can enjoy the aesthetic but never want to actually live there
    Eliza Madrigal: I get the feeling that he and his circle are making some kind of conscious decision to find ways to feel good about their time's possibilities
    Eliza Madrigal: and that in some weird way, even the chaotic politics that are so worrisome, draw from this, maybe without the foresight of the consequences of momentary compromises and con jobs


    Eliza Madrigal spent the pause imagining what a solarpunk future looks like
    Riddle Sideways: yes, did too
    Bleu Oleander: it seems to be more about the present
    Riddle Sideways: some rays of hopefulness
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Bleu Oleander: about right action in a way
    Eliza Madrigal: green presence?
    Bleu Oleander: do something positive today and the future will follow along kinda thing
    Eliza Madrigal: is it more collective? seems to me everyone needs to learn how to think collectively, without losing total sight of 'changing self'

    Bleu Oleander: yes, its always worked best when we work together
    Riddle Sideways: each, starts with the self narrative changed
    Riddle Sideways: then combines
    Bleu Oleander: I'm not sure you have to consciously change your self narratives ... and we have many of them
    Bleu Oleander: we kinda know what to do ... we just don't do it ... take the easy way out maybe?
    Eliza Madrigal: I think we're missing skill steps
    Eliza Madrigal: that may seem to obvious and easy
    Bleu Oleander: like what?
    Eliza Madrigal: they're missing, lol
    Bleu Oleander: ha!
    Tura Brezoianu: :)
    Bleu Oleander: so maybe not missing ... just not using the ones we already have
    Bleu Oleander: we're very social creatures
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, but maybe not always cooperative creatures?
    Bleu Oleander: we know we need to fight against greed, money, free riders, etc
    Bleu Oleander: we cooperate a lot
    Bleu Oleander: that's how we've survived this far
    Eliza Madrigal: I guess I feel the missing steps are ceilings we don't know how we're hitting

    Contributions, Gaming, TV

    Bleu Oleander: I think we're fully capable of actions that can contribute to society in good ways
    Bleu Oleander: we'd just rather watch tv or play video games LOL
    Eliza Madrigal: knowing all we know, are people are so daunted by say, climate change, that they'd/we'd rather consciously go into denial
    Eliza Madrigal: tv and games are really creative mediums for collective imagining, but for sure we numb ourselves with them
    Eliza Madrigal: (or I do at times)
    Bleu Oleander: people don't want to give up their comfy things
    Bleu Oleander: tv can be so passive
    Eliza Madrigal: :) not so much gaming, and now I wish I had so I'd be able to use the xbox controller for SL better
    Bleu Oleander: mesmerizing

    And SL? PaB?

    Riddle Sideways: SL?
    Bleu Oleander: gaming is interactive but not sure its the best use of ones time, especially if one wants to contribute to the betterment of society
    Eliza Madrigal: "foolish trapped by SL, wise freed by it" to paraphrase a quote about karma
    Bleu Oleander: sl is fun and for sure there are better parts of it than some
    Eliza Madrigal: I can't tell sometimes, honestly. There are some days I'm sure SL is the best thing that ever happened to my life, and others when I think "what am I doing?"
    Eliza Madrigal: :D
    Bleu Oleander: but time out in the "real" world can be more productive perhaps ... dunno the answer
    Riddle Sideways: High Fidelity is getting better (and finished) and uses more imersive controlers and viewers
    Eliza Madrigal: yes?
    Eliza Madrigal: (I treasure you all too much to repent of SL)
    Bleu Oleander: I've learned a lot from people in sl but it seems to have reached its limit in many ways
    Riddle Sideways: ha
    Bleu Oleander: yes Eliza!


    Eliza Madrigal: So this question seems a current ceiling
    Bleu Oleander: which question?
    Eliza Madrigal: next step = high fidelity? VR/ video chats?
    Bleu Oleander: ah ok
    Eliza Madrigal: how does PaB evolve? where is the room?
    Eliza Madrigal: what is needed? wanted? visioned? :) etc etc
    Eliza Madrigal: if wrapped up in SL, then maybe more and more limited
    Bleu Oleander: I do think what we need to spend more time with people, face to face

    Tura Brezoianu: I wonder what a PaB experience in Sansar would be.
    Eliza Madrigal: have you guys been experimenting with other places?
    Bleu Oleander: so the group getting together in rl in april is a good thing, just not for all of us :)
    Riddle Sideways: always looking at other places, Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: Occasionally we used to have WG meetings on skype, and it was fun to hear voices at least
    Eliza Madrigal: but not everyone was comfortable
    Bleu Oleander: text seems so limited
    Eliza Madrigal: I haven't tried anything new, re virtual worlds.
    Bleu Oleander: I must get going ... great to see you all today ... take care and I'll put out an email for next monday creativity class :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I did make some big changes in the last year or so though, as far as unlearning isolation in RL
    Eliza Madrigal: Wonderful, thanks Bleu!
    Riddle Sideways: thanks, and see you
    Bleu Oleander: unlearning isolation ... will enjoy reading the log ... bfn
    Eliza Madrigal: :) bfn

    Eliza Madrigal: Are Sansar and High Fidelity open and operational/accessible now?
    Tura Brezoianu: Sansar is in open beta, anyone can join for free
    Riddle Sideways: Sansar has some beta testers
    Riddle Sideways: and you can go look around
    Riddle Sideways: herds of animals running around
    Eliza Madrigal: :) I like that idea
    Tura Brezoianu: I'm not so familiar with High Fidelity, in fact I can't remember if I have an account on it
    Eliza Madrigal: I've explored only so far as a few events on Open Sim, so will prob. be surprised when venturing out
    Riddle Sideways: it is a new Viewer and shared server model
    Riddle Sideways: very 3d headset VR
    Riddle Sideways: and hand controlers
    Eliza Madrigal: learning curve
    Eliza Madrigal: I'd imagine you can't stay in that long, with that kind of set up
    Eliza Madrigal: and maybe not as discussion format friendly
    Eliza Madrigal: but event and party friendly
    Riddle Sideways: much more voice
    Riddle Sideways: and yes, events
    Tura Brezoianu: Sansar is pretty limited so far. I don't think Linden Lab have even implemented sitting down yet. But it has voice and text chat
    Eliza Madrigal: Will stay tuned for happenings :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Maybe I'll see what Sunshine has learned about these too. She has her own grid now I think...
    Eliza Madrigal: but more an open sim sort of overlap
    Riddle Sideways: had a large local sim in opensim


    Eliza Madrigal: not now?
    Riddle Sideways: ummm, lost it :} It was SOAS "Sim on a Stick" on a USB stick
    Riddle Sideways: and it went lost
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm!
    Tura Brezoianu: oops
    Eliza Madrigal: lost a world on a usb...
    Riddle Sideways: yes, quite a concept
    Eliza Madrigal: who knows how many are out there running wild

    Riddle Sideways: there are lots of OpenSim grids and sims to visit
    Eliza Madrigal: it feels like something that is going on parallel to SL rather than the 'next' thing to me, but that may be my limited knowledge
    Tura Brezoianu: I've visited OpenSims a few times, but I've not found anything to stay there for. They seem very fragmented compared with SL
    Riddle Sideways: yes, am not really seeing the Next thing coming
    Eliza Madrigal: fragmented is a good word for the feeling
    Eliza Madrigal: so much to think about today! But time to go <3
    Riddle Sideways: ok, thanks for the visit
    Tura Brezoianu: bye Eliza
    Riddle Sideways: and chat
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks for being here, bye for now, and have lovely evenings
    Tura Brezoianu: goodnight Eliza, Riddle

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