The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble. We had a short term visitor this morning. The title is a thought that I have been playing with today. It came about thinking about my grandparents this morning and what they meant to me as a child. It is a way of seeing our connections and how our actions affect others. However, most of this session is was discussing the Tanakh and Christian interpretations.

Riddle Sideways: Leeping Adams
Adams Rubble: Good morning Riddle :)
SnowyKitt Resident: 's current display-name is "S͙n͙o͙w͙".
Riddle Sideways: hello Snow
SnowyKitt Resident: h4ello
Adams Rubble: Hello SnowyKitt Resident
SnowyKitt Resident: What is this?
Adams Rubble: This is a Play as being session
Riddle Sideways: just starting to get light out here
SnowyKitt Resident: What is one of those?
Adams Rubble: we meet to discuss our explorations of reality
SnowyKitt Resident: Oh
Adams Rubble: you are welcome to join us if you like
SnowyKitt Resident: Sure, im curious
Adams Rubble: This week I signed up for a coursea course called "Martin Luther and the West"
Adams Rubble: ohh, I forgot to tell you that are conversations are recorded and put on a wiki
SnowyKitt Resident: Oh okay cool
Adams Rubble: do you have any objections to being recorded?
SnowyKitt Resident: No
Riddle Sideways: inventory is a mess (still) can't find one of the intro notecards
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Riddle Sideways: not sure if the sign out front gives one
Adams Rubble: That card is a bit old but it will give the drift
Adams Rubble: It has the wiki url on it
Riddle Sideways: oh yes, PlayAsBeing.org
https://wiki.playasbeing.org
Adams Rubble: This morning I woke up playing with the thought that today is a gift as I try to do each morning
Adams Rubble: as I went along I thought of my grandparents and how their lives were a gift to me
Riddle Sideways: somedays are easier than others to say that ㋡
Adams Rubble: Then I remembered that each day of life is a gift to others as well
Adams Rubble: well the second part we can control :)
Adams Rubble: we can make it a good gift or a crummy gift
Riddle Sideways: tis the season of giving
Adams Rubble: yes!
Riddle Sideways: now thinking about not being a good giver
Adams Rubble: ohhh
Adams Rubble: I don't think that is the point
Riddle Sideways: self-deprecating
Adams Rubble: we are a gift to others just by being
Adams Rubble: think of the others in your life
Riddle Sideways: no was not your point, but went there too easily
Adams Rubble: yes, but trying to bring you back :)
Adams Rubble: do you have any questions SnowKitt?
Riddle Sideways: ok, back
Adams Rubble: :)
SnowyKitt Resident: No t
SnowyKitt Resident: gooddau
Adams Rubble: we are sooo connected with each other
Adams Rubble: goodday to tou SnowKitt
Adams Rubble: you
Riddle Sideways: bye

Tanakh and the Old Testament

Adams Rubble: I refrained from bringing up the Tanakh while we had a new visitor :)
Adams Rubble: I learned about the word in my new course
Riddle Sideways: maybe good thing, who knows
Adams Rubble: can't believe I went through my whole life so far without hearing it
Riddle Sideways: oh
Riddle Sideways: why doesn't everybody know all the same stuff?
Adams Rubble: for any readers who were ignorant like me, Tanakh is the name for the Hebrew Bible which is a bit different from what the Christians call the Old Testament
Riddle Sideways: the 5 books
Adams Rubble: It is made up of the Torah, the Neri'im (prophets) and the Ketuvim (the writings)
Adams Rubble: I have some questions
Adams Rubble: Five of the Writings (Ketuvim) are used on religious holidays
Adams Rubble: there is a six, Hannukah what uses Maccabees which is not canonical
Adams Rubble: are there any other holidays which use non-canonical writings?
Riddle Sideways: checking if Ruth is in there
Adams Rubble: Ruth is one of the five Writings
Adams Rubble: Ohhh, also surprised that Song of Songs or Song of Solomon is used at passover. I am wondering about the connection
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Adams Rubble: sorry about my questions being so disorganized
Riddle Sideways: sorry for drifting off looking for answers
Adams Rubble hopes that the questions did not result in more tabs for Riddle
Riddle Sideways: searching between lines for what is not included

Passover and Song of Solomon or Song of Songs

Adams Rubble: can we talk about Passover without you having to do research?
Riddle Sideways: ha, only 1 tab
Riddle Sideways: ok, back
Riddle Sideways: Passover is so much about the exile and the Songs is alos
Adams Rubble: ohhh, OK
Adams Rubble: thank you
Adams Rubble: I learned about Tisha B'Av
Adams Rubble: I knew there was a holiday in late summer but did not know why
Riddle Sideways: you have been learning a lot
Riddle Sideways: thought you said your coursa was Martin Luther
Adams Rubble: I found it interesting that after the Torah, the second reading is from the prophets
Adams Rubble: Martin Luther spent twelve years translating the "Old Testament"
Adams Rubble: into German
Adams Rubble: The Catholic Bible (The Vulgate) (Latin) had included more books
Adams Rubble: Luther follwoed the Tanakh but changed the order of the books
Adams Rubble: The Lutherans weekly readings from the Old Testament are mostly from the Prophets
Riddle Sideways: Was he working by himself or a group?
Adams Rubble: There were no Hebrew courses in the universities at that time but he consulted Jews who had converted to Christianity when he had questions
Adams Rubble: he generally worked by himself
Adams Rubble: traslated the New Testament from the Greek in 11 weeks

Masoretes

Adams Rubble: he used the medival text that had put the vowels into the Hebrew. I forget the name--it started with an M
Adams Rubble: the Masorete group
Adams Rubble: Masoretes
Riddle Sideways: faster than google
Adams Rubble: The Masoretes (Hebrew: בעלי המסורה‬ Ba'alei ha-Masora) were groups of Jewish scribe-scholars who worked between the 6th and 10th centuries CE,[1] based primarily in early medieval Palestine in the cities of Tiberias and Jerusalem, as well as in Iraq (Babylonia). Each group compiled a system of pronunciation and grammatical guides in the form of diacritical notes (niqqud) on the external form of the biblical text in an attempt to standardize the pronunciation, paragraph and verse divisions and cantillation of the Jewish Bible, the Tanakh, for the worldwide Jewish community. (from Wikipedia)
Adams Rubble: The Vulgate Bible (4c) was entirely trsanslated from the Greek
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Riddle Sideways: so, the greek was done 4th century and the hebrew with vowels between the 6th and 10th
Adams Rubble: I think the Greek is earlier. The Latin translation used in the churches was done in the 4c.
Adams Rubble: the world spoke Greek in the last centuries BCE and early CE

Deviations from Original Hebrew

Riddle Sideways: trying grasp where/when some phrases deviated
Adams Rubble: some of it took place when the Giospels were writtem
Riddle Sideways: without the vowels or trope(singing) it is hard to define the words and phrases
Adams Rubble: Hebrew phrases had different meaning depending on how they were puncyuated
Riddle Sideways: at the mercy of the translator
Adams Rubble: yes so the text in the Gospel deviates slightly from the Hebrew in the Tanakh -- meanings change
Adams Rubble: Christians interested in salvation in reading the prophets
Adams Rubble: Jews interested in returning to the homeland when reading the prophets
Adams Rubble: that is an over simplification :)
Riddle Sideways: yes
Riddle Sideways: years ago got so deep in discussion over the first word that still have trouble over all the other words
Adams Rubble thinking about the meaning of the original texts
Riddle Sideways: yes
Riddle Sideways: Beginning [in]
Riddle Sideways: has had many different additions
Adams Rubble: The Bible was not read by common people in the Middle Ages. People were killed for doing it
Adams Rubble: Luther made the Bible available to the masses
Riddle Sideways: Gottenburg too
Adams Rubble smiles
Adams Rubble: you betcha
Riddle Sideways: well those common people always had dirty hands
Adams Rubble: just like today
Riddle Sideways: plus, it took some thousand years to think writing it all down was a good thing
Adams Rubble: yes

Practices and Ancient Texts (Religion in Schools)

Adams Rubble: the Bramhmans in India are still reciting the Vedic Scriptures even though it is possoble no one knows what they mean any more
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Riddle Sideways: We do this because we have Always done this
Riddle Sideways: do not question it
Adams Rubble: a practice
Riddle Sideways: a tradition
Riddle Sideways: a ritual
Adams Rubble sings Tradition....
Riddle Sideways: no one remembers why we do this thing
Adams Rubble: but it makes us feel holy
Riddle Sideways: yes. Singing a song with words you do not know and a
Riddle Sideways: power outage?
Adams Rubble: a love song to "God"
Riddle Sideways: whew, still connected
Riddle Sideways: singing a song of songs
Adams Rubble: They used to read a Psalm to us every morning before we started school
Adams Rubble: I always liked that
Adams Rubble: I know why they stopped but I think they should read something from a wider circles of texts
Adams Rubble: we need to understand each others religions
Adams Rubble: but maybe I am a whacko :)
Riddle Sideways: well if you were to understand others, ya might not hate them
Adams Rubble: a voice crying out in the wilderness :)
Adams Rubble: that is a phrase that is a deviation btw
Riddle Sideways: maybe finding out that there is a commonness to singing songs that are not understood
Adams Rubble nods
Adams Rubble: we need not be afraid to have religion in our schools. Just be careful about preaching them
Riddle Sideways: fine line
Adams Rubble: can be but not hard
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Adams Rubble: the hard part is having the people knowledgeable to answer questions
Adams Rubble: thereins the rub
Riddle Sideways: yes. how to trust that a Something-ite would teach Other-ism correctly
Riddle Sideways: thoughts go drifting so far away,
Adams Rubble nods
Riddle Sideways: none of them worth typing
Riddle Sideways: Other is calling that there is something else to get into and isn't the hour over
Adams Rubble: we traveled far this morning :)
Adams Rubble: yes, the hour has sped along
Adams Rubble: I hope you have a very good day
Adams Rubble: thank you for coming :)
Adams Rubble: I will not be here next Thursday
Riddle Sideways: thank you for diving right deep today
Adams Rubble: will be traveling in RL
Riddle Sideways: ok, maybe remember that
Adams Rubble: I'll remind earlier in week - maybe send an email to group
Adams Rubble: must remember to copy text just in case
Riddle Sideways: thank you
Adams Rubble: have a good week :)
Riddle Sideways: only 2 tabs
Riddle Sideways: ㋡
Adams Rubble: remember we re a gift to others each day
Riddle Sideways: oh, that is best
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: bye for now :)