2018.12.13 07:00 - We Are a Gift to Others Each Day

    The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble. We had a short term visitor this morning. The title is a thought that I have been playing with today. It came about thinking about my grandparents this morning and what they meant to me as a child. It is a way of seeing our connections and how our actions affect others. However, most of this session is was discussing the Tanakh and Christian interpretations.


    Riddle Sideways: Leeping Adams
    Adams Rubble: Good morning Riddle :)
    SnowyKitt Resident: 's current display-name is "S͙n͙o͙w͙".
    Riddle Sideways: hello Snow
    SnowyKitt Resident: h4ello
    Adams Rubble: Hello SnowyKitt Resident
    SnowyKitt Resident: What is this?
    Adams Rubble: This is a Play as being session
    Riddle Sideways: just starting to get light out here
    SnowyKitt Resident: What is one of those?
    Adams Rubble: we meet to discuss our explorations of reality
    SnowyKitt Resident: Oh
    Adams Rubble: you are welcome to join us if you like
    SnowyKitt Resident: Sure, im curious
    Adams Rubble: This week I signed up for a coursea course called "Martin Luther and the West"
    Adams Rubble: ohh, I forgot to tell you that are conversations are recorded and put on a wiki
    SnowyKitt Resident: Oh okay cool
    Adams Rubble: do you have any objections to being recorded?
    SnowyKitt Resident: No
    Riddle Sideways: inventory is a mess (still) can't find one of the intro notecards
    Riddle Sideways: not sure if the sign out front gives one
    Adams Rubble: That card is a bit old but it will give the drift
    Adams Rubble: It has the wiki url on it
    Riddle Sideways: oh yes, PlayAsBeing.org
    Adams Rubble: This morning I woke up playing with the thought that today is a gift as I try to do each morning
    Adams Rubble: as I went along I thought of my grandparents and how their lives were a gift to me
    Riddle Sideways: somedays are easier than others to say that ㋡
    Adams Rubble: Then I remembered that each day of life is a gift to others as well
    Adams Rubble: well the second part we can control :)
    Adams Rubble: we can make it a good gift or a crummy gift
    Riddle Sideways: tis the season of giving
    Adams Rubble: yes!
    Riddle Sideways: now thinking about not being a good giver
    Adams Rubble: ohhh
    Adams Rubble: I don't think that is the point
    Riddle Sideways: self-deprecating
    Adams Rubble: we are a gift to others just by being
    Adams Rubble: think of the others in your life
    Riddle Sideways: no was not your point, but went there too easily
    Adams Rubble: yes, but trying to bring you back :)
    Adams Rubble: do you have any questions SnowKitt?
    Riddle Sideways: ok, back
    Adams Rubble: :)
    SnowyKitt Resident: No t
    SnowyKitt Resident: gooddau
    Adams Rubble: we are sooo connected with each other
    Adams Rubble: goodday to tou SnowKitt
    Adams Rubble: you
    Riddle Sideways: bye

    Tanakh and the Old Testament

    Adams Rubble: I refrained from bringing up the Tanakh while we had a new visitor :)
    Adams Rubble: I learned about the word in my new course
    Riddle Sideways: maybe good thing, who knows
    Adams Rubble: can't believe I went through my whole life so far without hearing it
    Riddle Sideways: oh
    Riddle Sideways: why doesn't everybody know all the same stuff?
    Adams Rubble: for any readers who were ignorant like me, Tanakh is the name for the Hebrew Bible which is a bit different from what the Christians call the Old Testament
    Riddle Sideways: the 5 books
    Adams Rubble: It is made up of the Torah, the Neri'im (prophets) and the Ketuvim (the writings)
    Adams Rubble: I have some questions
    Adams Rubble: Five of the Writings (Ketuvim) are used on religious holidays
    Adams Rubble: there is a six, Hannukah what uses Maccabees which is not canonical
    Adams Rubble: are there any other holidays which use non-canonical writings?
    Riddle Sideways: checking if Ruth is in there
    Adams Rubble: Ruth is one of the five Writings
    Adams Rubble: Ohhh, also surprised that Song of Songs or Song of Solomon is used at passover. I am wondering about the connection
    Adams Rubble: sorry about my questions being so disorganized
    Riddle Sideways: sorry for drifting off looking for answers
    Adams Rubble hopes that the questions did not result in more tabs for Riddle
    Riddle Sideways: searching between lines for what is not included

    Passover and Song of Solomon or Song of Songs

    Adams Rubble: can we talk about Passover without you having to do research?
    Riddle Sideways: ha, only 1 tab
    Riddle Sideways: ok, back
    Riddle Sideways: Passover is so much about the exile and the Songs is alos
    Adams Rubble: ohhh, OK
    Adams Rubble: thank you
    Adams Rubble: I learned about Tisha B'Av
    Adams Rubble: I knew there was a holiday in late summer but did not know why
    Riddle Sideways: you have been learning a lot
    Riddle Sideways: thought you said your coursa was Martin Luther
    Adams Rubble: I found it interesting that after the Torah, the second reading is from the prophets
    Adams Rubble: Martin Luther spent twelve years translating the "Old Testament"
    Adams Rubble: into German
    Adams Rubble: The Catholic Bible (The Vulgate) (Latin) had included more books
    Adams Rubble: Luther follwoed the Tanakh but changed the order of the books
    Adams Rubble: The Lutherans weekly readings from the Old Testament are mostly from the Prophets
    Riddle Sideways: Was he working by himself or a group?
    Adams Rubble: There were no Hebrew courses in the universities at that time but he consulted Jews who had converted to Christianity when he had questions
    Adams Rubble: he generally worked by himself
    Adams Rubble: traslated the New Testament from the Greek in 11 weeks


    Adams Rubble: he used the medival text that had put the vowels into the Hebrew. I forget the name--it started with an M
    Adams Rubble: the Masorete group
    Adams Rubble: Masoretes
    Riddle Sideways: faster than google
    Adams Rubble: The Masoretes (Hebrew: בעלי המסורה‬ Ba'alei ha-Masora) were groups of Jewish scribe-scholars who worked between the 6th and 10th centuries CE,[1] based primarily in early medieval Palestine in the cities of Tiberias and Jerusalem, as well as in Iraq (Babylonia). Each group compiled a system of pronunciation and grammatical guides in the form of diacritical notes (niqqud) on the external form of the biblical text in an attempt to standardize the pronunciation, paragraph and verse divisions and cantillation of the Jewish Bible, the Tanakh, for the worldwide Jewish community. (from Wikipedia)
    Adams Rubble: The Vulgate Bible (4c) was entirely trsanslated from the Greek
    Riddle Sideways: so, the greek was done 4th century and the hebrew with vowels between the 6th and 10th
    Adams Rubble: I think the Greek is earlier. The Latin translation used in the churches was done in the 4c.
    Adams Rubble: the world spoke Greek in the last centuries BCE and early CE

    Deviations from Original Hebrew

    Riddle Sideways: trying grasp where/when some phrases deviated
    Adams Rubble: some of it took place when the Giospels were writtem
    Riddle Sideways: without the vowels or trope(singing) it is hard to define the words and phrases
    Adams Rubble: Hebrew phrases had different meaning depending on how they were puncyuated
    Riddle Sideways: at the mercy of the translator
    Adams Rubble: yes so the text in the Gospel deviates slightly from the Hebrew in the Tanakh -- meanings change
    Adams Rubble: Christians interested in salvation in reading the prophets
    Adams Rubble: Jews interested in returning to the homeland when reading the prophets
    Adams Rubble: that is an over simplification :)
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Riddle Sideways: years ago got so deep in discussion over the first word that still have trouble over all the other words
    Adams Rubble thinking about the meaning of the original texts
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Riddle Sideways: Beginning [in]
    Riddle Sideways: has had many different additions
    Adams Rubble: The Bible was not read by common people in the Middle Ages. People were killed for doing it
    Adams Rubble: Luther made the Bible available to the masses
    Riddle Sideways: Gottenburg too
    Adams Rubble smiles
    Adams Rubble: you betcha
    Riddle Sideways: well those common people always had dirty hands
    Adams Rubble: just like today
    Riddle Sideways: plus, it took some thousand years to think writing it all down was a good thing
    Adams Rubble: yes

    Practices and Ancient Texts (Religion in Schools)

    Adams Rubble: the Bramhmans in India are still reciting the Vedic Scriptures even though it is possoble no one knows what they mean any more
    Riddle Sideways: We do this because we have Always done this
    Riddle Sideways: do not question it
    Adams Rubble: a practice
    Riddle Sideways: a tradition
    Riddle Sideways: a ritual
    Adams Rubble sings Tradition....
    Riddle Sideways: no one remembers why we do this thing
    Adams Rubble: but it makes us feel holy
    Riddle Sideways: yes. Singing a song with words you do not know and a
    Riddle Sideways: power outage?
    Adams Rubble: a love song to "God"
    Riddle Sideways: whew, still connected
    Riddle Sideways: singing a song of songs
    Adams Rubble: They used to read a Psalm to us every morning before we started school
    Adams Rubble: I always liked that
    Adams Rubble: I know why they stopped but I think they should read something from a wider circles of texts
    Adams Rubble: we need to understand each others religions
    Adams Rubble: but maybe I am a whacko :)
    Riddle Sideways: well if you were to understand others, ya might not hate them
    Adams Rubble: a voice crying out in the wilderness :)
    Adams Rubble: that is a phrase that is a deviation btw
    Riddle Sideways: maybe finding out that there is a commonness to singing songs that are not understood
    Adams Rubble nods
    Adams Rubble: we need not be afraid to have religion in our schools. Just be careful about preaching them
    Riddle Sideways: fine line
    Adams Rubble: can be but not hard
    Adams Rubble: the hard part is having the people knowledgeable to answer questions
    Adams Rubble: thereins the rub
    Riddle Sideways: yes. how to trust that a Something-ite would teach Other-ism correctly
    Riddle Sideways: thoughts go drifting so far away,
    Adams Rubble nods
    Riddle Sideways: none of them worth typing
    Riddle Sideways: Other is calling that there is something else to get into and isn't the hour over
    Adams Rubble: we traveled far this morning :)
    Adams Rubble: yes, the hour has sped along
    Adams Rubble: I hope you have a very good day
    Adams Rubble: thank you for coming :)
    Adams Rubble: I will not be here next Thursday
    Riddle Sideways: thank you for diving right deep today
    Adams Rubble: will be traveling in RL
    Riddle Sideways: ok, maybe remember that
    Adams Rubble: I'll remind earlier in week - maybe send an email to group
    Adams Rubble: must remember to copy text just in case
    Riddle Sideways: thank you
    Adams Rubble: have a good week :)
    Riddle Sideways: only 2 tabs
    Riddle Sideways: ㋡
    Adams Rubble: remember we re a gift to others each day
    Riddle Sideways: oh, that is best
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: bye for now :)

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