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    We're such an interesting crew.  Thank you. -Corvi.  

     2009.04.27 19:00 - About the Wiki

    The primary topic of this session is an offer by Peer Infinity to revise the PaB Wiki to match the Wikipedia-style of Wiki. PaB members are invited to comment.  http://acceleratingfuture.com/pabwiki

    Passages edited for Brevity: 
    Peer Infinity: anyway, the main disadvantage of switching to MediaWiki is that you can't just copy and paste images and videos etc. straight to the page and it doesn't have the MS Word-style editor and the main advantage is that you get to use all of the tools that were developed for MediaWiki,  oh, another advantage: that will make it easier to link to content from other wikis, like Wikipedia, or the Less Wrong wiki...

    FYI  Peer isn't a guardian..but IMHO we'd be poorer if she never showed up.

    Steve, Steve's wife, a car, and a deer all tried to occupy one spot...Steve's ok, but it was an experience that makes one think.
    Passages edited for brevity:
    Pila Mulligan: I was sorry to hear about your accident with the deer
    stevenaia Michinaga: yeah, at least it was drivable and deer ran off
    Pila Mulligan: ahh, so the deer may survive also
    stevenaia Michinaga: only damage was car and deer
    Pila Mulligan: those can be nasty accidents
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, no airbag deployment
    Pila Mulligan: did you have time to brake?
    stevenaia Michinaga: no adreneline rush, just a thud
    stevenaia Michinaga: no
    stevenaia Michinaga: jsut bounced off and kept running
    Threedee Shepherd: front or side
    stevenaia Michinaga: between headlights, which still work
    Pila Mulligan: wow
    stevenaia Michinaga: they just pointed kind of up now
    stevenaia Michinaga: was remembering a conversation here about reality and illusion recently
    stevenaia Michinaga: reality (the impact) lasted but a moment
    stevenaia Michinaga: everything else after that was an interpetion of the moment
    stevenaia Michinaga: was thinking about the moment of impact
    stevenaia Michinaga: a second either way and it might not have happened
    Pila Mulligan: so you were destined to share that spot in space and time
    stevenaia Michinaga: appearently and all that it changes
    stevenaia Michinaga: or in order for the universe to be as it is

     2009.04.27 07:00 - Be Where You Are

    genesis Zhangsun: there are all sorts of ways people are not present
    genesis Zhangsun: I find that interesting
    genesis Zhangsun: they may be there, at least at a minimum refraining from multi tasking etc
    genesis Zhangsun: but then you notice that they are talking to you with a clear agenda in mind
    genesis Zhangsun: which is a sort of "not being present"
    genesis Zhangsun: we all do it of course :)
    genesis Zhangsun: and it is even more interesting to notice when you start doing it 


    2009.04.27 01:00 - Silent



    2009.04.26 19:00 - No one

    no one


    2009.04.26 13:00 - More on dreaming

    Maxine Walden: my own current thought is that we 'think' on many levels, and the 'thought' that occurs in dreams, which are remembered, and those which are not remembered may differ in terms of depth, and perhaps our readiness to know what the dream was about
    Later-on role playing
    Eliza Madrigal: I suppose if everyone is in a role other than something like themselves, it is easier
    Wol Euler: mmmmm, a male av is not in itself roleplaying ... might just be a different bit of you getting out :)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, that's how I'm trying to approach it. Build empathy! haha
    Eliza Madrigal: males in SL definitely have fewer choices, ie clothes and such
    Wol Euler: just as RL!
    sophia Placebo: i like to role play who am i really , dosnt matter what situation would you put me in , but the thing in sl is that the situation is highly modefiable , not like the real life satate where you need ages to change few things
    Wol Euler: all my avs speak with natural voices, I do not "play" being any of them
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah...it is the context which changes then, Wol...what 'you' do with/in that
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Moyra Ares: as a storyteller i had to roleplay many roles in my past...and i somehow enjoyed experiencing all those characters...i can understand why a writer listens to his characters telling him stories.
    Wol Euler: yes, avs are very much like characters, they develop in ways that can be surprising
    Eliza Madrigal: I can see that. The situation and setting can speak to you.
    Wol Euler: which is like RL. We play different roles there.


    Adams Rubble: The other night I was reading a little from Bernadotte Roberts who is a Christian nun who has had an experience with "no self" And she was making a distinction between seeing the world through our consciousness or self and seeing with our senses only.  she feels the latter is the one we can not live without
    Adams Rubble: I was thinking this is a little like Being seeing, the way we would look at ourselves from Being's perspective

    Eliza Madrigal: Bernadete Roberts also makes a distinction between no ego and no self which is quite fascinating
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm not sure I could sum up what she means by this actually, but there being a difference between not operating from ego, and dropping 'self'
    Eliza Madrigal: That in the former there is stil a central 'point'

    Fael Illyar: Yes, not operating from ego means there is self but it's not directing the action.
    Eliza Madrigal: Not 'in control'
    Fael Illyar: yes, that fits I think

    Vendy Walpole: I wonder, if we drop the self, what happens with our spirit, its becoming a part of the universe?
    Adams Rubble: Well Bernadotte Roberts thinks it is a mistake to think of our consciousness as being separate from out bodies
    Eliza Madrigal: That is what I would think Vendy...it must be a true a state of perceiving no separation
    Vendy Walpole: we become part of the oneness?
    Vendy Walpole: without self?
    Eliza Madrigal: or are completely aware of that being the case


    SophiaSharon Larnia: because one is everything.... happiness, joy, grief and pain


    Instant karmas gonna get you
    Gonna knock you right on the head
    You better get yourself together
    Pretty soon youre gonna be dead
    What in the world you thinking of
    Laughing in the face of love
    What on earth you tryin to do
    Its up to you, yeah you
    Instant karmas gonna get you
    Gonna look you right in the face
    Better get yourself together darlin
    Join the human race
    How in the world
    you gonna see Laughing at fools like me
    Who in the hell dyou think you are
    A super star Well, right you are

    Well we all shine on
    Like the moon and the stars and the sun
    Well we all shine on
    Evryone come on

    Instant karmas gonna get you
    Gonna knock you off your feet
    Better recognize your brothers
    Evryone you meet
    Why in the world are we here
    Surely not to live in pain and fear
    Why on earth are you there
    When youre evrywhere
    Come and get your share

    Well we all shine on
    Like the moon and the stars and the sun
    Yeah we all shine on
    Come on and on and on on on

    Yeah yeah, alright, uh huh, ah


    arabella Ella: and it is lovely i find to first get to know the real person ... then the RL image later
    Scathach Rhiadra: you probably know the real personalities better than if you had first met in RL
    Wol Euler: very possibly :)
    Mickorod Renard: I get that feeling too
    arabella Ella: yes it is a very different way of getting to know ppl i find with no distraction from the RL image
    Wol Euler: it's possible that I might never have "met" some of them in RL, just wouldn't have spoken to them or they to me.
    arabella Ella: it involves different forms of judgement of character
    Wol Euler: difference of age, class, style ... and handicap
    arabella Ella: exactly
    arabella Ella: normally the RL image is what we first assess when we meet someone new
    arabella Ella: then we get to know the person
    Wol Euler nods
    arabella Ella: and our first assessment may change
    arabella Ella: in SL i find it is the other way around
    arabella Ella: altho there are always surprises in store :)




    Bertrum Quan: Yes. The restrained nature of waking is less constrained in dream---and drum breat of time (and the even the recognition of the beating of the heart as a meaure of time) takes on a different reality.
    Bertrum Quan: Intellect sometimes gets in the way as well in waking, but in dream the intellect may be freed....
    Scathach Rhiadra: and we may recognise that in some inner way, hence the significance we sometimes give to insightful dreams that we remember.
    Scathach Rhiadra: thay can seem more significant than any waking thoughts

    Bertrum Quan: But for me at least, I've cometo believe that applying content interpretation may very much limit seeing that reality and the importance of that dream experience.
    Bertrum Quan: I used to very much enjoy Freudian or Jungian filters for dreams!
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah I agree with you there! Interpretation is like applying the filters to the dream experience

    Bertrum Quan: We (our brains) do try to makes sense of things. Interpretation brings a organization and a logic to what is in this case a experience is free of that lind of logic.
    Bertrum Quan: an experience that is free of that kind of logic.
    Scathach Rhiadra: so hopefully being aware of the filters in our waking life and dropping them in our PaB practice will help in not putting them on our experiences of the unconscious
    Scathach Rhiadra: or loosen them up maybe
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