22-24 Intersections in Real Time


    May 22, 23, 24, 2009 (assembled by Eos)

    The 1:00 AM sessions


    2009.05.22 01:00 - Meep meep, or Manifesting cookies


    The road runner makes the first of many appearances.
    Moon Fargis: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
    Wol Euler: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P

    A second attempt at seriousness, which bears fruit.

    Wol Euler: (for the log: Moon is handing out a folder called "golden sentenses")
    Tarmel Udimo: nods, but also agree with Wol
    Wol Euler reads and smiles
    Stargate Tone: but yes; I'de say, that all the ppl I've managed to help to healed, is based on the thoughts
    Moon Fargis: ^^
    Moon Fargis: ah here is the link: http://picasaweb.google.de/Sylvio.Ku...eat=directlink just finished uploading new pictures:)
    Tarmel Udimo: do changes only happen out of things not being right?
    Stargate Tone: so; it's 'only' a question of the power of the energy of the thuoghts
    Stargate Tone: sure
    Nymf Hathaway: Thinking about Tarmels question :) nice one
    Fael Illyar smiles 'Yes, cookies.' and ruffles Moon's hair.
    Tarmel Udimo: happy Moon:)
    Moon Fargis purrrrrrsssssssss
    Tarmel Udimo: nice teddy
    Moon Fargis: *mews*
    Stargate Tone: so; we can take them cookies also to be 'light manifestation' of the thought
    Wol Euler smiles
    Fael Illyar: yes, SL allows us to manifest our thoughts pretty easily :)
    Fael Illyar: That's what makes it so interesting :)

    Wol Euler: sitting here with you makes my day better, it colours my experiences for the rest of the day
    Nymf Hathaway: Yes but what would happen if we would use the thoughts together to influence the rest...would it help?
    Stargate Tone: well; Nymf; your question would need an example
    Stargate Tone: as there's truly little facts in life
    Nymf Hathaway: Say....everywhere on the globe people choose to think; we will work together to solve the isseus (I mean nature asks for a solution for example) would it ensure we found a solution sooner
    Nymf Hathaway: I think so
    Stargate Tone: sure
    Tarmel Udimo: nods
    Wol Euler: yep
    Tarmel Udimo: and also understands what Wol means


    2009.05.23 01:00 - Deja Vu



    Nymf Hathaway: We are still thinking about a subject
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Wol Euler: ah
    Wol Euler: why coffee never tastes quite as good as the ground beans smell?
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Nymf Hathaway: :))))
    Wol Euler: there#s something about Appearance in that ...
    Bertrum raises the question of Deja Vu, a facinating topic that captures all our attention......
    Bertrum Quan: This has probably been discussed, but I wondered what thoughts you all have about deja vu experiences
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, interesting topic
    Nymf Hathaway: I read its a defect in the information stream in our brain... in and out is crossing each other to fast...thats why we think we already experienced it
    Scathach Rhiadra: I think it may be where we experience time 'out of synch', so to speak, we lose the linearity of past, present and future for just a moment
    Nymf Hathaway: Smiles, perfectly put :)
    Wol Euler: nicely said
    Bertrum Quan: Yes, that is the sense of it.

    ertrum Quan: How would you feel if you actually had been in that very scene before?
    Bertrum Quan: If you knew it to be true?
    Wol Euler has visions of "groundhog day"

    Bertrum Quan: Wol, I really like that sweet nightmare of a movie, Groundhog Day. But the movie really begs the question and ultimely is about wish fulfillment.
    Wol Euler: I disagree, I htink it is about learning to live an observant and useful life
    Bertrum Quan: Yes, that too.
    Wol Euler: the happy ending is somewhat contrived, I'll grant you that. But Hollywood cannot conceive of a film withuot one
    Wol Euler: I find it a very PaB-like film

    Bertrum Quan: There's a very powerful french film that also deals with time -- Le Jette by Chris Marker. Have any of you seen it?
    Scathach Rhiadra: no I haven't
    Wol Euler: that rings only vague bells, probably not
    Bertrum Quan: It has the poetry and complexity that the Hollywood formula removes from movies like Groundhog Day.
    Wol Euler: http://www.theartistbureau.com/2009/01/le-jette.html  <-- that one?

    (Le Jette is only 26 minutes long, and definitely recommended viewing)

    Bertrum Quan: Do any of you believe in reincarnation?
    Nymf Hathaway: Did
    Scathach Rhiadra: or rebirth
    Wol Euler: mmmmm, I don't exclude the possibility, but I don't think that it is something that we could ever know or experience
    Scathach Rhiadra: and would it be any benefit to us to remember precious lives, if they existed?
    Scathach Rhiadra: previous*
    Scathach Rhiadra: (and precious too:))
    Wol Euler: a lovely typo :)
    Wol Euler: leave that in the log please :)
    Bertrum Quan: Yes...
    Scathach Rhiadra: =^.^=


    2009.05.24 01:00 - Death


    Stargate Tone: would somebody feel bad if the topic would be death ?
    Stargate Tone: as there is this finnish song...
    Stargate Tone: it's special words;
    Stargate Tone: 'no she is gone, and the grave is covered by roses; only the lamp shines into the night'
    Stargate Tone: ..as the person had a habit to have light in one lamp on her window'
    Stargate Tone: on friday I brought new lamps to my mom's lamp, cuz there was tree broken once
    Stargate Tone: as it is beautiful crystal 'crown' as we call such lamps in finnish
    Stargate Tone: and it was 'against' the window
    Stargate Tone: and it was more beautiful with light on
    Stargate Tone: ...she then asked me to bring her liqueritz...hoping my typo is not bad; its' black , soft candy
    Nymf Hathaway: Knows the candy :)
    Moon Fargis knows all candy
    Stargate Tone: on my way this song played in the publick radio of the nursery home
    Stargate Tone: smiles *
    SophiaSharon Larnia grins
    Nymf Hathaway: :))
    Stargate Tone: ...getting back there was the song playing; "I love life"
    Stargate Tone: brought them candies to my mom....thinking those words of those songs cuz they 'went trhough me' the special way...
    Stargate Tone: hugged her and left; we said; 'see you again soon'
    Stargate Tone: **
    Stargate Tone: that was the last time I saw her as she was in her this life *
    Stargate Tone: so; we have here a special guest today
    Nymf Hathaway: I feel for your loss Stargate
    Stargate Tone: to describe my mom with few words;
    Stargate Tone: Noble lady of gentleness and peace *
    Moon Fargis cuddles into star
    Stargate Tone: *
    Nymf Hathaway: How are you doing so far?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Stargate (((huggggsss)))

    Stargate Tone: I thought it was new
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (thought Fael made it ;0p
    Fael Illyar: no, I'm not that good at making things just yet :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Fael Illyar: Ah, Hi Yakuzza :)
    Stargate Tone: but also Fael does much things 'not knowing'
    Fael Illyar: knowing but not knowing :)
    Fael Illyar: to anyone looking at my doings it looks like I know :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia grins
    Fael Illyar: but... there two really need two different words :)
    Fael Illyar: the kind of knowing that had me wear this and the knowing I know about :P

    SophiaSharon Larnia: sl does reveal the inner aspect of the psych that way
    Stargate Tone: 'everything has it's time' they say
    Fael Illyar: and then there are some buildings that you would think look beautiful but ... they just leave you feeling nothing.

    Moon Fargis: star maybe your mom carrys the ring now
    Stargate Tone: yes; exactly
    Stargate Tone: donno where I 'end' and she 'starts to exist'
    Stargate Tone: not borders to sense atm
    Stargate Tone: but her presence like emerged with me ; yes

    The 7:00 AM sessions


    2009.05.22 07:00 - Reading at the fountain


    When I, quen Oh arrived it was silent and peaceful at the fountain. I found a tray of cookies on the edge, a nice gesture. I added a book I which I read. It was not a real book, it was a virtually unauthorised published 'book' giving out on 'touch' an introductory notecard and a weblink to: http://lab.kira.org/lab/index.html. Anyway I left it there for others to read. You will not find the book anymore, it is taken. But fortunately we always have the blog...(though it seems the link doesn't work anymore.. temporarily?)
    Luckily there is another link to Piet Hut's Life as a Laboratory ;-) 


    2009.05.23 07:00 - balancing time


    Eliza Madrigal: I took yesterday off from SL... was a good idea I think....
    Eliza Madrigal: am thinking of having "Silence Fridays"

    Nymf Hathaway: Time flies in here

    Nymf Hathaway: working on it :) but great idea a friday off
    Eliza Madrigal: I learn from others. Eos mentioned that he and his family have "Analog Sundays"
    Nymf Hathaway: Sounds nice as well
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Nymf Hathaway: I refused the digi bit for 7 months...it was heaven :)
    Eliza Madrigal: 7 months... wow..a relative lifetime :)
    Nymf Hathaway: yes :))
    Nymf Hathaway: Nature, books, music and great food... did a world of good

    liza Madrigal: Nymf was telling me about taking time offline and enjoying everything... food, nature, etc :)
    quaezar Agnomen: Indeed compare RL ..SL is nothing.. and people must watch out that not to much time is spend here between these bits and bytes
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm thinking that it is much like taking the pauses every 15 minutes...
    Nymf Hathaway: Balance ... so easily lost when you have a goodtime inworld :)
    Nymf Hathaway: yes simular :)
    Eliza Madrigal: that it is a good idea to pause every hour, every day, every week, every year...

    Eliza Madrigal: sophia, we were talking a bit this morning about balancing time, or balancing in time?
    sophia Placebo: from what angle?
    Eliza Madrigal: Well, I took yesterday off entirely and am thinking of making it a habit... SIlence Fridays
    Eliza Madrigal: so Nymf mentioned her extended break from SL...
    Eliza Madrigal: soaking up nature...enjoying food.... :) A purposeful time
    sophia Placebo: i see
    Eliza Madrigal: :) And the pauses we take are all about that too!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Stopping to step out
    Nymf Hathaway: Its a form of renewing onceself
    Eliza Madrigal: MM, yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Replenishing
    Eliza Madrigal: So we can be a dazzling like a sophia flower...heheh :)
    Nymf Hathaway: :))

    Eliza Madrigal: I think that is why SL is so appealing. The visual contexts create a field so similar to "rl"
    sophia Placebo: self exploration is the most scary most avoided yet most rewarded
    Eliza Madrigal: and we step in and see each other from so many angles
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    sophia Placebo: true eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: I once read a story years ago... about all these people getting to 'heaven' and there being a ring of fire that each stepped into to reveal their 'true' self...
    sophia Placebo: re nymf : how geography affect posiibilities creation or existance?
    sophia Placebo: say more eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm... and this is a shared geography! :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I was just extrapolating a bit sophia...
    Eliza Madrigal: that sometimes SL seems that way...


    2009.05.24 07:00 - Bubbles and Fountains


    Nymf Hathaway: I see avi's double foulds
    Nymf Hathaway: needed to search the word :)
    Adams Rubble: foulds?
    Nymf Hathaway: folds, sorry
    Eliza Madrigal: When we begin to see differently, what we see behaves differently? heheh
    Adams Rubble: this sounds like it could lead us right to the question of what is reality :)
    Nymf Hathaway: :)))
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler: that would be unusual

    Eliza Madrigal thinks of times when she and friends put mr bubbles in fountains as a teen
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Nymf Hathaway: :))
    Adams Rubble: how did it work out?
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh My... You cannot imagine
    Adams Rubble: hehe
    Nymf Hathaway: :)


    Adams Rubble: Adams Bubbles
    Eliza Madrigal: ahhhhhhhh
    Adams Rubble: and the Bubbles Quartet
    Eliza Madrigal: hehehe
    Eliza Madrigal: mr sandman...
    Nymf Hathaway: a world of bubbles
    Wol Euler: we'll post this shot on the log
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Adams is full of tricks... hehe
    Adams Rubble collects freebies (giggles)

    The 13:00 sessions


    2009.05.22 13:00 - Not doing the man thing



    Kenji's exit line guides the rest of the hour.
    kenji Pookes: Well, I've got to run. Time to vacuum the house and make dinner before my wife and daughter get home. Bye everyone.
    Fefonz Quan: Bye Kenji
    Wol Euler grins. Bye kenji, take care
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye kenji
    sophia Placebo: bye kenji
    Mickorod Renard: bye Ken
    Fael Illyar: bye Kenji
    Fefonz Quan: and that's the new man of the houses

    Mickorod Renard: I did it for a few years
    Mickorod Renard: thought it worked at the time,,but on reflection I dont think it did

    Mickorod Renard: well, the vulnerability from missing out on career is one thing,,but also the work has a social aspect that one can miss out on too
    Mickorod Renard: self esteem too
    Wol Euler nods
    Fefonz Quan: that sounds also like gender assymetric effect
    arabella Ella nods
    Mickorod Renard: yes,,at first i think i related well,,and felt I did an important role,,but as the kids grow up you become aware that you have given up a lot more than you can honestly quantify
    Mickorod Renard: then, when its time to pick up life again, its not so easy

    Mickorod Renard: culturaly it was hard too
    Mickorod Renard: as i felt that many people thought I was not doing the man thing
    Mickorod Renard: yes, i feel i will be able to look back more favourably after i have sorted myself out better
    Wol Euler: did they actually express that?
    Mickorod Renard: yes, some openly, others more subtlely

    Mickorod Renard: Birric was at Stims last night
    arabella Ella: yes?
    Mickorod Renard: and he brought up Rand

    Mickorod Renard: ... just the name of Rand was enough
    Mickorod Renard: she refers to most of society as like cattle in fields, feeding

    Mickorod Renard: and I was wondering if I had made a wrong turn,,and if I should become ruthless
    arabella Ella: i mean ... imagine what sort of a world we would live in if NOONE had a social conscience ... I dread to even think of that possibility
    Scathach Rhiadra: no please don't Mick:)
    Wol Euler: ah, mick ... no.
    Mickorod Renard: then i got to thinking
    arabella Ella: Mick ... you would not have met any of us here as friends if you had become more ruthless ... smile
    Mickorod Renard: what made her think she was part of the higher order
    Wol Euler: people who believe in higher orders _always_ think that they belong to them.


    2009.05.23 13:00 - What's your motivation?


    Adelene Dawner: The discussion is on "how can I tell how much of what I'm doing is because of social signaling, and how much is because I really want to do the thing?"

    kenji Pookes: So a few minutes ago, I added a hat and leather jacket to my Avatar. Is that for all of you, or for me?

    Adelene Dawner: Well, there is such a thing as self-signaling, too - doing things because they make you think better of yourself, or think of yourself in a certain way. And the two aren't mutually exclusive.
    Travieso Sella: I suppose the crossover would be a practise of remaining mindful of one's motivation during the course of the day

    kenji Pookes: Of course, if I do wear a dress to teach in, I may well be doing it to flaunt convention, in which case my behavior is still structured by convention.
    Pila Mulligan: hi Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Hi Everyone
    Adelene Dawner: Yep, the point would be to go sideways of that, in a new and unique way - a male wearing a dress in that situation would be socially unacceptable, but that's still a defined reaction that you can reasonably predict that people would have. If you're truly outside the box, there wouldn't be a predictable reaction at all.

    Pila Mulligan: (a couple of young neighbor kids just came over (real life) with their new puppy .. I told them I'd come out to play with them, so I'll need to leave a little early :)

    Adelene Dawner: Actually, the point of the original question was that having a group is not entirely a good thing - once you've got a group to signal to, it's hard to know if you're really staying true to your vision any more, or doing things because they'll get the group to think better of you.

    Adelene Dawner: Well, it's close to one of the topics I've been trying to find an opening for on the forum where the discussion came up - dealing with a variety of very diverse groups can help you realize what things are signals you use with each of those groups. You still wouldn't notice the things that you do the same to signal to all of them, but if the groups are diverse enough, the overlap should be pretty small.
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm. like trigger words? Like knowing what Being means here ?
    Adelene Dawner: That's a decent example, Eliza - group-specific language is definitely a signal that you belong to the group in question.

    stevenaia Michinaga: there is something more concrete (no pun) about the effects and influence of enclosure on people, the intent is to act on an individual in some way, not two people acting on each other, perhaps a different social signaling
    stevenaia Michinaga: a building's effect is to place someone in context, preferably a positive one

    Travieso Sella: BUt it is a matter of self-awareness is it not?
    Adelene Dawner: Mindfulness was mentioned earlier, and I think that's one of the best ways, though what I mentioned earlier about interacting with a wide variety of different kinds of social groups with different values, and observing the differences, also seems useful.
    Adelene Dawner: Yes, self-awareness is another way of putting that. :)

    stevenaia Michinaga: the truest results are based in the actions, not on the signaling,
    Nymf Hathaway: Agrees :)
    Adelene Dawner: Ah, that gets into 'expensive signals' - actions are usually pretty expensive signals, but they can still be done for signaling purposes.
    stevenaia Michinaga: caring or compassion, for instance come through actions not mere signaling


    2009.05.24 13:00 - Openness and discretion


    Eliza Madrigal: ...something dreams helped pave the way for.... I have mentioned before efforts to greet people in my life 'anew'... think this is what forgiveness and compassion has to mean. The thing is, I determine to do this with one or two people... to move into that direction, and now I find that others are showing up. This shouldn't matter... how many... but I am noticing it and hope to respond well.
    Pila Mulligan: whatever it may be :)
    Eliza Madrigal: (there it is... always startling how much room a little thought can take up) hehe
    Maxine Walden: but maybe it is not a little thought, Eliza
    Wol Euler nods
    Eliza Madrigal: :) It isn't really... but in perspective I hope it will become so...
    Pila Mulligan: maybe having opened the door you are finding lots of potential guests
    Eliza Madrigal: am a little hesitant to 'open all doors' in some ways
    Eliza Madrigal: exactly Pila

    sophia Placebo: i dont know , :) love old poeple and love to chat with them
    Eliza Madrigal: I think I feel instinctively that if I let these chances go by... they do just that... the moment is gone for another long while.
    Eliza Madrigal: lifetime or two maybe :)
    sophia Placebo: have feeling that in old poeple case one would not say lets wait another time , though he may said it in more politically polite way :)
    Pila Mulligan: but that is the art of discretion, Eliza, preserving the intitative but not using it

    Pila Mulligan: Stim has shown a masterful ability to defuse potential conflicts in the ethics workshops -- and it is obviously the reuslt of his experience -- he is not ignoring the conflict, or running away, he is emptiyng it
    Maxine Walden: can you tell us a bit more, Pila, about how Stim seems to do that?
    Pila Mulligan: I'd try but the easiest way to see it is to read the workshop logs

    Eliza Madrigal is now thoughtful about dealing with people and capacity for change
    Wol Euler nods
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, we all are
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal thinks she is just going to accept whoever asks
    Eliza Madrigal: and if there are issues... deal with them then, not expect them
    Wol Euler: mmhmm
    Wol Euler: let them surprise you, perhaps
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eliza Madrigal: yes. It is what I would hope for in those shoes
    Wol Euler: you never know, they might be thinking of extending compassion and forgiveness to you too :)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    The 19:00 sessions


    2009.05.22 19:00 - Sleepy Night


    The Guardian for this meeting was Dakini Rhode. 
    Soon after I arrived, I was joined by an avatar who requested his chat be left off the blog.  We were joined briefly by kenji Pookes, who soon realized he was sleepy and departed.  Although this gave me some recent experience with introducing PlayasBeing to newcomers, the blog shall remain empty in respect of our visitor's wishes. 


    2009.05.23 19:00 - Brahmamuhurta, Samadhi, Vipassana


    SophiaSharon Larnia: it seems my 90 seconds of silence extends to hours, very welcome now :))
    Pila Mulligan: "Stillness and tranquillity set things in order in the universe" Tao Te Ching
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I worked in my yard for 5 hours today and wore myself out :))
    Pila Mulligan: feels good, though, I imagine
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, every now and the sunlight would hit me a certain way and i would pause
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and listen
    Pila Mulligan: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: like there are 2 people doing the work
    SophiaSharon Larnia: one acting one listening

    Pila Mulligan: I like to get up at 4:00 am to meditate, it seems to be the best time for stillness all around
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I love dawn, it is my favorite time of the day
    buddha Nirvana: very nice pila, yes. the mind suprising alert too
    Pila Mulligan: someone told me there is actually a name for that time in India, related to meditation
    Pila Mulligan: stillness before the dawn
    buddha Nirvana: the retreat that i go to, they sound the 1st bell at 4am for the days first meditation, its nice o meditate in a half dream state

    Pila Mulligan: it is also interesting to meditate in a dream
    Pila Mulligan: but it seems dificult to maintain
    buddha Nirvana: yes, the mind seems elusive
    buddha Nirvana: here we go:
    buddha Nirvana: Brahmamuhurta (the time of God):

    buddha Nirvana: heres more: our sages and saints have eulogised the benefits of waking up early in the morning, before 4 am. This time 4 am - 6 am is called Brahmamuhurta (the time of God): it is the best time for entering into deep meditation (thoughtless awareness) and Samadhi.
    Pila Mulligan: yep
    buddha Nirvana: my particular practice is based on samadhi, and the description is spot on
    Pila Mulligan: that's how some practices can be largely self-teaching
    SophiaSharon Larnia: we become aware of the same things but call it by different words

    SophiaSharon Larnia: sorry if I use an awkward description, but is Samadhi a practice that helps to see past our distracting, earthly thoughts
    Pila Mulligan: I notice in an article from Google that vipasanna involves "observing the sensations within the body"
    buddha Nirvana: kind of sophia, its really about subdueing the mind - for thoughts cease entirely, worldly or otherwise
    buddha Nirvana: thats right pila, thats it entirely
    buddha Nirvana: i think ive mentioned it here a few times
    Pila Mulligan: to me that is really the best part of meditation
    Pila Mulligan: observing the sensations within the body
    buddha Nirvana: yes, they are the only things we can truely experience
    buddha Nirvana: its actually the technique buddha used
    buddha Nirvana: and luckily its been passed on in its purest form
    Pila Mulligan: Kriyas are the spontaneous movements of the body
    Pila Mulligan: Paramahansa Yogananda wrote about it
    Pila Mulligan: it is a similar approach
    buddha Nirvana: and you are to be aware of those movements?
    Pila Mulligan: but it also involves observations of kriya in all contexts, not just meditation
    Pila Mulligan: yes, awareness is the idea

    Pila Mulligan: by observing the sensations within the body you seem to become more aware of how things work, generally
    buddha Nirvana: yes
    buddha Nirvana: it gives you direct insight of how you may react to certain causes
    buddha Nirvana: and further more gives you the ability to not react
    Pila Mulligan: and how there are often physical reasons for what we feel and think
    buddha Nirvana: yea, the premis is that there is no body mind duality
    Pila Mulligan: the big lesson from my practice has been that most of what we think of as mental is actually physical -- muscles, etc


    2009.05.24 19:00 - Late Arrival


    Moyra Ares: im writing on a document about identity development in virtual space
    Paradise Tennant: I have had dinner parties .. with my sl friends and everyone sits around and say how strange it is to not be a cartoon :))
    Gary Palmira: The brain can't tell the difference

    Moyra Ares: the experiences we do in our avatars are valid i assume...so what if one is changing gender and starts to experience the opposit gender? how does it changes your core identity?
    Paradise Tennant: I think for some it is a way to explore theimselves on a different level
    Gary Palmira: I know someone who believes their life here is better than rl

    Fortune Crystal: How does switching identies in SL differ froom reading a book whose main character is the opposite gender.
    Moyra Ares: fortune as reader your just an observer....in SL you have to make choices and interact with your environment
    Moyra Ares: of course we are all real

    Moyra Ares: that we define personality by our decisions we do
    Gary Palmira: I dont beleive that
    Moyra Ares: why?
    Fortune Crystal: please explain gary
    Gary Palmira: It goes way deeper than that
    Dakini Rhode: one of the aims of meditation practice is to learn to distinguish who we are not
    Moyra Ares: please explain
    Gary Palmira: I believe people develope misconceptions about themselves
    Dakini Rhode: so in that sense experimenting with identity in a platform like SL can assist us
    Gary Palmira: Thats why so many people suffer
    Gary Palmira: Those misconceptions start in childhood
    Fortune Crystal: I agree Dakini. Here is a question, who says that there has to be a "misconception" and that it has to be "bad"
    Fortune Crystal: Why can't we change who we are everyday when we wake up in RL like we can in SL

    Gary Palmira: Yes - many people here are very creative
    Gary Palmira: and resposible about it
    Paradise Tennant: it is a wonderful platform for creativity
    Fortune Crystal: Does it seem like in RL its harder to be creative? And if so why? I think that it is harder to be creative in RL
    Fortune Crystal: how is SL easier
    Moyra Ares: RL needs RL currency and resources
    Gary Palmira: Because here everything is a cartoon
    Dakini Rhode: i think it's much easier to do a small thing in SL and see it magnified immediately
    Dakini Rhode: instant gratification at a low cost

    Moyra Ares: where are you from?
    stevenaia Michinaga: Pennsylvania US
    Moyra Ares: do you believe in spirits?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I don't deny them
    stevenaia Michinaga: but I never met one
    stevenaia Michinaga: you?
    Moyra Ares: you dont meet spirits when you play your didge?
    stevenaia Michinaga: not so much that I I know I did
    Moyra Ares: spirits are all around me when i drum
    Moyra Ares: they are coming from everywhere
    stevenaia Michinaga: do they help you drum or just listen
    Moyra Ares: they help drumming
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice
    Moyra Ares: i see animal spirits sometimes when i watch didge players
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, some of the sounds are meant to do that
    Moyra Ares: yes they come in through the player
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, one of our regular is also from Ozz, she spoke one night about dreamtime and other thning
    Moyra Ares: im sure you know all about the old ways in the tradition of didgeridoo
    stevenaia Michinaga: I am learning
    stevenaia Michinaga: it's only been a few years now
    Moyra Ares: ~nods~ the dreaming....it's still happening you know?
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes

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