10-12 Gen's Gems

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    2009.08.10 01:00 - Emotions, what curiosity!

    Yakuzza Lethecus: but in the end I believe happiness is an decision" :)


    Gaya Ethaniel: A guardian here often says "Whatever arises, arises perfectly."


    2009.08.10 07:00 - Nature, of Identity

    Kallie Kira: I was thinking about watching thoughts come and then go, having them pop up and then release
    Kallie Kira: I was listening to a jazz trio the other night ....
    Kallie Kira: at an upstairs place with a big picture window that looked out on the city
    Kallie Kira: and the door was open with the breeze coming up the stairwell
    Kallie Kira: and outside, in the breeze was a beautifully formed tree
    Kallie Kira: that as the music played would dance back and forth
    Kallie Kira: and my thoughts, coming and going
    Kallie Kira: would dance from branch to branch, waving around
    Kallie Kira: then go to the sky on the breeze
    Kallie Kira: totally does not make sense but there you have it
    Kallie Kira: and one of the thoughts I had and let go was
    Kallie Kira: that I have been kind of floating along a lot recently
    Kallie Kira: doing my thing
    Kallie Kira: but often seeing and then seeing something else
    Kallie Kira: not attached to any of it
    Kallie Kira: my own branches kind of dancing and letting things hop place to place
    Kallie Kira: then not caring, just letting it go, maybe into the air to another tree
    Kallie Kira: it is awesome
    Pema Pera: I can feel the branches swaying, Kal, what a great description!
    Kallie Kira: it was amazing, like a dance performed for me to Charlie Parker's music ... it was gorgeous
    Kallie Kira: so, not really doing 9sec exactly but feeling the space of it
    Pema Pera: :)
    sophia Placebo: lovely

    2009.08.10 13:00 - Aloha to that

    Eliza Madrigal: This morning in the mail, came a letter from a friend I've known since preschool... someone who was like a twin to me for many years.. someone I still feel connected to but haven't seen/spoken to in years. She cannot reconcile my not being "Christian" since at one time (more than 16 years ago) we were very involved within that paradigm together, and very 'sincere'. She does not understand. She is chained in some ways, to our past, or the picture she has of me. Her paradigm does not allow for me to change and our still to be close/intimate friends. :( But obviously she misses me or she wouldn't write :)
    Eliza Madrigal: (Sory so long)
    Alexandra Sharkfin: I just dropped by for a second
    Pila Mulligan: so sweet and sor ELiza
    Pila Mulligan: sour*
    Eliza Madrigal: I've spent a few hours today responding to her... asking to speak from heart rather than conditions
    Gaya Ethaniel: Perhaps it needs time for adjustment Eliza.
    Eliza Madrigal: We'll see I suppose :)
    Hana Furlough: that sounds like a tough situation, eliza
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Tough, but she did write :)
    Bertram Jacobus: np alex :-)
    Tarmel Udimo: yes from the heart always best Eliza:)
    Hana Furlough: yeah that is a wonderful thing!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Just sharing
    Gaya Ethaniel: Thank you :) 

    2009.08.10 19:00 - Gruntled

    Hana Furlough: but is enlightenment a practice or a continuous state?

    Paradise Tennant: hmmm kind of a portal of perception that once your really see .. forever changes your perception would be my guess

    Fox Monacular: roshi Joan Halifax said that enlightenment is a state of absolune unselfishness

    Paradise Tennant: but very easy to take monkey mind breaks

    Paradise Tennant: :)

    Paradise Tennant: very restful too

    Fox Monacular: yes, definitely

    Hana Furlough: good point

    doug Sosa: i think - controversial - that enlightenment is pure mind without feelings. It is devloid of humanity or compassion. It is isness without anything else. it is a computer waiting to wait.

    Paradise Tennant: hmm

    Hana Furlough: or just absolute compassion

    Paradise Tennant: absolute connectedness

    Hana Furlough: yeah

    Hana Furlough: connectedness because you are everything and everything is you

    Threedee Shepherd: Is it pure mind without feelings, or pure experience without mind?

    Paradise Tennant: yes

    doug Sosa: and that is the universe and it is itself.

    Paradise Tennant: you are everything and everything is you .. such powerful words hana

    Hana Furlough: its thusness

    Fox Monacular: my monkey mind needs to rest... I've got to go sleep now, nice talking to you all

    Hana Furlough: haha nice!

    2009.08.11 07:00 - Watching Thought filters

    Riddle Sideways: we zoom right along and several words come out that we di not really plan
    Riddle Sideways: many times it is the word/phrase that the listener knows/needs
    Riddle Sideways: and a meta wonders how/why did you do that

    2009.08.11 19:00 - Releasing the Future

    Eos Amaterasu: I take these walks through our nearby woods
    Lingerer Xaris: that sounds incredible. i miss doing things like that
    Eos Amaterasu: and they were somewhat inspired by the story of Dogen and his Chinese teacher
    Eos Amaterasu: who said "body and mind are dropped?"
    Eos Amaterasu: and Dogen said "body and mind are indeed dropped"
    Eos Amaterasu: (or maybe it was the other way around)
    Hana Furlough: how do you experience that?
    Eos Amaterasu: somehow I try to walk like that
    Hana Furlough: nice
    Eos Amaterasu: appreciating body and mind, and also letting go of both

    Lingerer Xaris: the phrase 'no more theories' rang through my head one night, and i have been using it as a mantra
    Lingerer Xaris: thank you, Eos
    Lingerer Xaris: it is incredible, this experience of being. how the awareness moves to levels of consciousness, and then back to objects in the world
    Lingerer Xaris: I find it really scary sometimes when I grasp that there is nothing to gain in life.
    Lingerer Xaris: meaning, no way to accumulate
    Eos Amaterasu: Ah! :-) Yikes!
    Lingerer Xaris: ahhhhh...i'm having trouble articulating
    Lingerer Xaris: to accumulate being, i guess
    Lingerer Xaris: being just is, and time passes
    Hana Furlough: yeah the more i practice the more i find that all we really want is to be fully in the now
    Hana Furlough: that happiness is not what our minds think it is
    Lingerer Xaris: right
    Lingerer Xaris: but still, the more i appreciate my present moments, the more i sometimes feel a fleeting sadness and how quickly it all passes
    Eos Amaterasu: there's a kind of paradoxical discipline of staying in that place without pushing or pulling yourself, over intending yourself


    Eos Amaterasu: Hana, you started asking about lack of ethical imperatives
    Lingerer Xaris: I have been thinking about the idea of shared being
    Hana Furlough: yeah
    Hana Furlough: i'm kind of interested in that
    Hana Furlough: like there is the vinaya in most schools of buddhism
    Hana Furlough: but PaB lacks any such system
    Hana Furlough: what do you think about that?
    Eos Amaterasu: I cannot recommend highly enough Francisco Varela's very short, brilliant Ethical Know-How: Action, Wisdom and Cognition
    Hana Furlough: that question is for both of you btw
    Hana Furlough: wow this looks incredible
    Eos Amaterasu: I think that the heart of being embodies ethical know-how
    Lingerer Xaris: i hear that
    Eos Amaterasu: (like the buddhists find emptiness and compassion to be indivisible)
    Hana Furlough: but to the untrained eye, such actions may appear to violate ethical precepts
    Eos Amaterasu: suspending your own personal intention, or recognizing it, seems key
    Hana Furlough: but is intention always bad?
    Eos Amaterasu: not at all!
    Hana Furlough: and are Being's dynamism and personal intention always mutually exclusive?
    Eos Amaterasu: but I think it does need examination, through not just intellectual examination but also appreciation and letting be
    Hana Furlough: i agree

    Eos Amaterasu: ideally your personal intention and the "way" are not two (wu wei)

    2009.08.12 07:00 - Domenica Bestiale

    Qt Core: i just remembered these liric from a song: if only you know, my love \how much i love to depart from Milan \ when she [milan] still sleeps \ see her sleepy and notice she is beautiful \ before she start to scream and run
    Eliza Madrigal: Oh My!
    Eliza Madrigal: What is the song?
    Qt Core: it is italian, Domenica bestiale.... Beasty sunday
    Qt Core: a tale about him going to the lake with his love
    Eliza Madrigal: what an image
    Eliza Madrigal: especially considering the stillness of the morning before the chaos begins...
    Qt Core: very sweet in spite of the title ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, funny title
    Qt Core: (not my kind of song but i like it)
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: This, is a rather still morning... maybe can take that through the day
    Eliza Madrigal: (for me, now sure what time it is for you?)
    Eliza Madrigal: *not
    Qt Core: 17
    Qt Core: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7xvjXc5kmk
    Qt Core: (the song)
    Qt Core: op
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, listening... very nice to dance to
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks... and might help you to feel restful as the evening goes on, so you sleep well :)
    Qt Core: :-) yes, it has a quite happy in a quiet way feeling
    Eliza Madrigal: Now, the title seems even more odd... such a calm song
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Qt Core: Bestiale (beasty) could be used sometimes as great but to a even bigger degree
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, that helps
    Eliza Madrigal: Grand or writ-large?
    Qt Core: not often, the title stil is a little weird ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah 

    2009.08.12 19:00 - Chemically imbalanced evening

    stevenaia Michinaga: you were saying "Isadora Davidov: I was wondering if the word "accept" means "being with"...sometimes if you can "be with" the experience for some time..it changes"

    Hana Furlough: it's true

    Hana Furlough: but don't yo think some situations warrant a more committed sort of optimism

    Isadora Davidov: Lingerer ...you know it just occurred to me that I was in a "giving advice" mode...hmm..perhaps not so useful...but then again...?

    Hana Furlough: like a refusal to believe our thoughts that does beyond just appreciating?

    Isadora Davidov: For me, I have to be careful that what pops up in my mind is not necessarily "real".

    Bellily Millar: good point, isadora

    stevenaia Michinaga: "real"

    stevenaia Michinaga: what makes a thought real or not

    Bellily Millar: i don't think our thoughts are always our own, that we don't have to claim everything that pops into our heads

    Hana Furlough: well we certainly don't have to identify with them

    Bellily Millar: no, that's where our free choice comes in

    Hana Furlough: right

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