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    2009.10.25 08:00 - Third Guardian Meeting

    The problem is proposed

    Pema Pera: shall we talk about the way the PaB sessions are going, whether we are happy with that, and whether there is something we could improve?

    As we have discussed here earlier, several guardians have expressed the sense that there could be more direct practice related and/or real life experience discussions and less more abstract, more opinion type discussions, and from my own observations, what I have seen in some sessions is that sometimes one person, often not a guardian comes up with a rather PaB unrelated topic and then at least one guardian, out of politeness, responds and before we know it twenty minutes go by in a direction that is not very interesting to many of us

    So the question is: should we remain super polite, or is there a skillful way to focus more on practice and on actual RL experiences?

    Below are a few of the answers

    doug Sosa: To me there are no non pab topics, but any topic can be dealt with in a boring nonpab way. The question is not content but reflective intent.
    Maxine Walden: maybe Doug's thought, reflective intent can be one way the guardian may intervene, bringing the atmosphere of reflection into the session

    Storm Nordwind:... I wonder if the reflective intent could be found in very many groups, whereas points about PaB practice can really only be found here - so it is a matter of what do we decide to best use the time for.

    Gaya Ethaniel: Anything can be potentially PaB issues though ... it's perhaps to do with how the topics are discussed ... applied during the sessions.
    Eos Amaterasu: Sometimes the group can hold a space where someone can share experience

    An experience

    Adams Rubble: We could just decide it is the olden days and act as it is :)
    Eos Amaterasu: A few nights ago Fox shared some experiences she's been going through, with dreaming, dying
    Eos Amaterasu: profound for her
    Adams Rubble: as if it is
    Eos Amaterasu: it opened a kind of almost tangible space
    Maxine Walden: must have been moving, Eos, and how nice the space of the session may have allowed that sharing
    Eos Amaterasu: nowhere to go with it, but just witnessing
    doug Sosa: And profound for the group because our experience of her experience also had a place. really good.
    Eos Amaterasu: yes, the group can create trust
    doug Sosa: Our openness, responsiveness, drew from her a great unfolding.
    Eliza Madrigal: So, that *is* PaB practice, as it is... as it came about that way?


    Riddle Sideways: and in the sessions there are those thoughtful silences, that do not read well in the chat logs

    Pema Pera: one element in PaB is the play of PaB, the other element is the B, Being, what is -- going from what we have to what we are; would it make sense to ask that question more often, more explicitly?


    doug Sosa: The PaB approach i think is to have the experience, pay attention, and drop the categories/concepts.
    Pema Pera: how?
    Pema Pera: I mean how to encourage that in chat?


    Eliza Madrigal: and then amidst a moment felt contrived to do the same...maybe just practice just feeling through the contrived until it becomes more natural
    Eliza Madrigal: That's what I am asking too
    Pema Pera is delighted hearing so many wonderful examples

    A second line of question is opened

    Pema Pera is wondering whether we can formulate some guide lines that may trigger more of those
    Maxine Walden: guidelines that do not foster a kind of 'rule' but give guidance to authenticity

    doug Sosa: "as we think about X, what is our experience if we drop concepts as much as possible?"
    Eos Amaterasu: One guideline might be to suggest an approach to "the next 90 secs", in a sentence or phrase (like APA phrase)
    doug Sosa: (x is some topic soeone has broughtup, often a non-regular).
    Eos Amaterasu: and then discuss
    Adams Rubble: http://playasbeing.wik.is/Information/Guardian_Tips_for_Hosting_Meetings

    Gaya Ethaniel: Well people change no? Even those we think we know, incl myself ... I often have to look into how I feel about the group, PaB and see why etc.
    Gaya Ethaniel: It's not all about getting bigger ... more successful ... etc at least for me.
    Pema Pera: growing is fine if it is natural, but not a specific objective
    Pema Pera: rather if we make PaB an even more fun and interesting community, we don't have to worry about the effects on size

    genesis Zhangsun: well within a group of people you interact with often it is easier to share deeper more profound personal things about your life
    genesis Zhangsun: in relation to the practice
    Eos Amaterasu: How trusted a container the circle is varies, a bit randomly depending on who's there
    Maxine Walden: Gen, guess there is a balance re being open to newbies, and having that measure of trust and deepening with familiar older friends and colleagues

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