04 - 06 All for one and one for all

Hi Readers’

Again I have took the easy route and took snippets from the logs and pasted them, lazy me. But it still takes me hours of reading and cutting as well as a whole lot of fun seeing how we all look on life from our own very individual perspectives. Another reason I cut and paste is that I have a few values I tend to adhere to, like why re-invent the wheel or if it isnt broke don’t fix it. That’s me, an individual whome you make feel so included in this wonderful group. But for all my individualness, it appears that we all share more than we may imagine in our thoughts and it is this that appears so evident whilst reading the past logs.

1 2009.12.04 01:00 - The universe of what we are able to speak about

Busy, busy, busy...
by Ed Matlack

Busy, busy, busy…

 Cut the lawn,

Trim the weeds,

Rake the leaves,

Plant some seeds…

 Wash the cars,

Sit and watch the stars,

While smoking cigars,

And drinking from old fruit jars…

 Walk the mutt,

Get out of this rut,

Of being a computer nut,

Maybe I can work off this gut…

 Though there is something to be said,

For relaxing all day, letting the sun make me red,

The day is half over; I just awoke,

Let me get my ass in gear by drinking some coffee and coke…

© ed ~ 9/4/05

A discovery.

Wol Euler: I took Qt's advice and did a Nine yesterday during a natural break in concentration, and made an interesting discovery
Pema Pera listens intently
Wol Euler: Wednesday had seemed like a bad day: only e-mail and phone calls, I got to draw for about 50 minutes in a ten hour day

Wol Euler: so, that was a bad day. all coordination and communicaton and no drawing
Wol Euler: hello sophia
Wol Euler: well, as I was dropping, I noticed that yesterday had felt like a very good day

Wol Euler: but I had done the same stuff: almost entirely phone calls and e-mail and checking engineers'' drawings, and about an hour of drawing on my own
Vendy Walpole: excuse me must grab my cup of coffee to be able to think, just woke up...brb
Wol Euler: so what was the difference, if the work I did wasn't the difference in feeling?
Pema Pera: :-)
Wol Euler: it was because I'd spent Thursday *thinking* -- making changes, discussing improvements, finding solutions for problems
Wol Euler: a good day is a day in which I can think, regardless of which task I am performing
Wol Euler: and having realized that, I now have a tool for dealing with "bad days". Just find a point where I can apply some thinking.

Archmage Atlantis: The fate of the manager of technicians of any sort, one has to find a new space in life :)
Vendy Walpole: (slips back queitly)
Wol Euler: true, arch, one gets promoted away from that which one likes to do.
Vendy Walpole: perhaps I missed something, what is the tool Wol, I would need it?
Archmage Atlantis: That is when growth happens
Wol Euler: the tool was seeing that the goodness of the day was not what I actually *did* (phone calls instead of drawing)
Wol Euler: but that I had been able to do some creative thinking during that time
Wol Euler: whereas the day before had been entirely management tasks, only saying yes or no or 17.3
Wol Euler: what made that a bad day was not that I spent it doing e-mail and phone calls.

Vendy Walpole: I am interested to hear how people here experience PaB and what si its role in their lifes

Wol Euler: well, at the risk of upsetting Pema, I am mostly attracted to the quality of conversation
Wol Euler: the topics and the depth of discussion, on matters that I can seldom find a RL partner to discuss with
Vendy Walpole: what you see as quality?
Wol Euler: that people speak largely from experience or from certain knowledge, rather than fluffy bullshitting about what they saw on TV

sophia Placebo: the thing about discussions in pab is that we dont go analysing things but more exploring how our status was during diffrent situations , inward outward exploration of reality rather the oppisite
sophia Placebo: *sorry for bad grammer
Calvino Rabeni: good description
Vendy Walpole: I agree with you

Vendy Walpole: to me this is the place that calls me to journey and the travelers are very good company, though do not know where we shall end but it is the excitement and the challenge for me
sophia Placebo: Hi bolonath
Calvino Rabeni: The universe of what we are able to speak about here is much bigger than usual

Calvino Rabeni: An enlargment of consciousness is a how that is difficult to describe
Bolonath Crystal: for me, pab has tremendously widened my mental horizon, to start with
Calvino Rabeni: (THus for now I shall remain vague)
Calvino Rabeni: In terms of what, Bolo?
Bolonath Crystal: well, i met here so many new views of what we call reality

Bolonath Crystal: i am attending these meetings here since about three months now, and i already find it easier to keep the position of an 'unattached observer' in rl. that's very helpful especially in conflict situations
Calvino Rabeni: The imagination finds a way to play with new or changed limits
Calvino Rabeni: What kind of conflict
Vendy Walpole: I practice the same Bolonath and it helped
Wol Euler: definitely, yes.
Bolonath Crystal: any kind, cal
Wol Euler: PaB has been a great help in dealing wiht RL stress
Calvino Rabeni: As in imagining a point of view of another?
Calvino Rabeni: Listens to Wol and Bolo
Bolonath Crystal: yes, for example
Bolonath Crystal: but also with inner conflicts
Calvino Rabeni: Giving a spatial feeling to imagining perspectives

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3:2009.12.04 13:00 - 0,9 sec ultra break and dropping

Wol Euler: Pema. I'm curious, did you try the 0.9 second ultra-micro-breaks today?
Pema Pera: not yet
Pema Pera: I slept since I first suggested it
Pema Pera: but I'm curious to try :)
Pema Pera: how about you?
Wol Euler: ah, yse, that makes sense-
Alfred Kelberry: it takes a lot of patience, i presume :)
Qt Core: 0.9 every ? each minute ?
Wol Euler: before opening an e-mail, was the original idea
Pema Pera: each 1.5 minutes, if you want to scale it :)
Eden Haiku: Micro breaks?
Eos Amaterasu: gapinos
Pema Pera: well, it all started with Qt's idea, I believe
Qt Core: does spam counts ? ;-)
Eden Haiku: gapinos ;-)
Pema Pera: to take a break not at a fixed time, but when there is a natural opening in your work
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Pema Pera: so in between the many emails we all read each day (including spam, sure, why not) perhaps a tiny break?
Wol Euler: :)
Eos Amaterasu: transition times
Eos Amaterasu: something's ended, something else not yet
Pema Pera: and Being can shine through :)
Eos Amaterasu: .9 secs is about right :-)
Aubergine Mint: I like that!
Eden Haiku: Good idea. But the trick is to remember to do it...
Eos Amaterasu: :-)
Qt Core: yesterday i found myself almost having a 9 sec breack... during a concert, with some doubt having been in a semi meditative state for most of it
Eden Haiku: I still struggle with the 9 secs every 15 minutes...
Qt Core: (and it surely wasn't meditatve music)
Alfred Kelberry: i don't get it. is it about "natural breaks" like pema says or fixed intervals that eden suggests?
Wol Euler: either or, Alf. Or both.
Pema Pera: all these ideas, regular breaks dictated by time or work, are really only tricks to make a switch, but very helpful tricks.
Pema Pera: The switch is the important thing.

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3: 2009.12.05 01:00 - A Little Push

Archmage Atlantis: The topic I was thinking of is the winter solstace
Gaya Ethaniel: mhm just saw
Archmage Atlantis: As it is so close and marks the beginning of the sun's return
Archmage Atlantis: I ran accross this today:
Archmage Atlantis: This year, the Winter Solstice will occur at 9:47 am in the morning of Monday, December 21, 2009. That will be the local time on the western coast of the continental United States. In other parts of the world, however, local times may be different at that same moment. For example, in England at that moment, the local time will be 17:47 in the late afternoon.

 BBC News picture, Stonehenge winter solstace

Archmage Atlantis: So 9:47 AM (09:00) is the SL/PST
Archmage Atlantis: We will all experience it together, no matter where we are in the world

Calvino Rabeni: WInter solstice is in the middle of summer, if you live in australia
Gaya Ethaniel: That's true, most of Australians feel it weird to have Christmas in winter believe it or not.
Archmage Atlantis: Yes, quite true.......not exactly winter......Hummm forgot about that part..... so then in the Southern Hemisphere it is the beginning of shorter days and less light........did the native Austraians celebrate in reverse?
Calvino Rabeni: I don't know, mate!

Archmage Atlantis: A multi 90 second prose/poem:

Archmage Atlantis:

Tempus Whatsit? If only Albert had stayed a clerk If dogs and cats had not liked campfire If rabbits did not build kingdoms If the pharoahs did not built pyramids If snow and weather did not exist If cameras could not adjust perspective What time would it be Or Perhaps What Universe?

Fael Illyar: Oh, curious poem :)

Calvino Rabeni: About the poem, and this - it occurs to me, that perspectives are not enough, there needs to be a little push in a particular direction, to have a universe appear
Calvino Rabeni: Late night philosophy :)
Archmage Atlantis: Nice thought, Cal, and could be a useful philosophy for me and perhaps others
Calvino Rabeni: A very small push - but present.
Calvino Rabeni: Like the SL math breaks down if the direction vectors are zero, nothing can be done.
Fael Illyar: yes... but what is the push?
Calvino Rabeni: Infinitesimal movement
Fael Illyar: ok, what is movement?
Calvino Rabeni: I suppose, what energy does
Fael Illyar: hmm... change
Calvino Rabeni: change plus direction
Calvino Rabeni: BUt change that doesn't go in any direction - interesting idea
Fael Illyar smiles.
Fael Illyar: yes... unless there i change, nothing exists.
Calvino Rabeni: It reminds me of wu-wei. Action that has no commitment or form.
Archmage Atlantis: Is to exist is to change, and to not change is to not exist, then Fael?
Fael Illyar: Arch, yes, that would follow.
Fael Illyar: but there is nothing that does not change.

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4 2009.12.05 13:00:

"Worry does not empty tomorrow of its sorrow; it empties today of its strength."

--  Corrie Ten Boom

Vendy Walpole: It is a well known syndrome - weekend's syndrome
Calvino Rabeni: Lather, rinse, repeat. :)
Storm Nordwind has not been allowed to work in his new home until today, and still loves the weekends!
Mickorod Renard: leaving off doing something,,cos ur worried,,only compounds the problem
Vendy Walpole: agree, have to work out to solve the worries - to stop them on time
Mickorod Renard: I will be ok at the weekends when I can comence with my toys,,which are all in boxeds still
Zen Arado: we need our toys :)
Mickorod Renard: yes,,we sure do
SophiaSharon Larnia pictures a big toy box ;)
Calvino Rabeni: I'd like to hear about the toys :)
Mickorod Renard: mostly motorbikes and stuff
Zen Arado: my main ones are computers
Calvino Rabeni: Good on ye
Zen Arado: don't know how I would put in my time without one
Vendy Walpole: I used to read a lot before found out of Second Life, the books were my toys
Mickorod Renard: I spend too long on computers
SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
Mickorod Renard: I still like a book
Storm Nordwind: Recreation is re-creation. It's essential. :)
Zen Arado: doing it now :)
Calvino Rabeni: Same here - it has completely interfered with my TV watching

Mickorod Renard: yes, I am going through my third childhood
Zen Arado: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
Vendy Walpole: which is wonderful Mic
Storm Nordwind gave up growing up a long time ago. It's overrated.
Vendy Walpole: young spirit, what is better? :)

SophiaSharon Larnia: for all who just arrived, we were talking about worry
arabella Ella: ok ty Sophia S
stevenaia Michinaga: worrying?
Zen Arado: techniques to overcome worry ?

Bolonath Crystal: whenever we worry about something to come, we are not in the here and now
stevenaia Michinaga: dropping worry
Vendy Walpole nods 10 times
Bolonath Crystal drops the silence ;)
Mickorod Renard: I get rid of as many things I need to do immediately, that helps me
arabella Ella: is learning not to worry too much a skill one could build i wonder?
Zen Arado: yes..take action if possible
Vendy Walpole: Mic, does it always work to you?
Storm Nordwind: I think it's possible to learn not to worry ara
Zen Arado: is worry tied in with ego?
Storm Nordwind: Yes it is in a way , Zen, as it can come from not seeing what is real
Vendy Walpole: it is tied with monkey mind for sure, and it is ego's mind

stevenaia Michinaga: wonders how many of us (men) piss up a rope? same thing with worry, just as pointless
Storm Nordwind is not familiar withe Steve's expression
Zen Arado: me neither :)
stevenaia Michinaga: nods, perhaps it's an american saying
Vendy Walpole: please explain it Steve
arabella Ella: interesting expression nevertheless ... never heard of it either
Vendy Walpole: sounds like Chinese to me
Calvino Rabeni: I never heard it here.
SophiaSharon Larnia: heard of it before grins
Calvino Rabeni: SO I guess you're saying - don't bother :)
stevenaia Michinaga: it's something no one would do, if you get the image of a pointless excecise to "urinate up a rope"
Mickorod Renard: we have piss against the wind
Vendy Walpole: ah
Wol Euler: "don't you piss on my shoes and then tell me it's raining"
Zen Arado: which is also dangerous :)
Vendy Walpole: we say - piss against the wind too
stevenaia Michinaga: I relate to worrying like that
SophiaSharon Larnia: dropping worry implies a trust,it seems to me
Vendy Walpole: but aren't worries helpful sometimes?
stevenaia Michinaga: wonders when?
Zen Arado: ah yes implies lack of confidence ?
Storm Nordwind: I think if there is something one can have complete and utter faith in to take care of what is really important in one's life, then worry disappears completely.
Vendy Walpole: well, if you wish to stay late out in some club before an important meeting, the worries would help bring you home
Vendy Walpole: (the meeting should be early in the morning here)
Zen Arado: yes there is also a motivator
Vendy Walpole: what if we do not worry?
Zen Arado: but that gets away from the meaning of the word a bit I think
Vendy Walpole: we could lose the job
Storm Nordwind: Part of dealing with worry comes from identifying what one's priorities really are. What is really important? What really matters most? That gives a sense of perspective
Mickorod Renard: I dont think worry actually achieves anything
stevenaia Michinaga: I agree
Zen Arado: me too it is poointless mind spinning
Mickorod Renard: maybe poor health
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
Zen Arado: yes can drag you down
Mickorod Renard: but it is something we all have to deal with in some degree

" Worry is a cycle of inefficient thoughts whirling around a center of fear."

  -- Corrie Ten Boom

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2009.12.05 19:00 - Like Being on Top of a Mountain

The conversation turned to various world problems.

Calvino Rabeni: Fear is a fundamental thing.
Calvino Rabeni: But so is eros, the drive to create and expand beyond boundaries.
Nymf Hathaway: Majority thinks more is good
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, that is a theme to be reckoned with.
Calvino Rabeni: What does the majority give up, to let the outsiders seem to be what they are?
Nymf Hathaway: I wonder.... is life (humans in this case) just a circle on earth..... we discover things... make them science... we loose data...and a few or more centuries later we seem to pick up where we have left
Calvino Rabeni: Do you mean, are there cycles of knowledge and ignorance?
Nymf Hathaway: yes and kill knowledge...history is full of it and always fear was the reason for killing it
Calvino Rabeni: For instance there has always been a dynamic interplay between unification and separation of science and religion.
Calvino Rabeni: It goes one way, then the other.
Nymf Hathaway: Knowledge is still for minorities
Nymf Hathaway: yes seems so
Calvino Rabeni: Yes it seems to be.
Nymf Hathaway: I hope the internet will change this

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2009.12.06 07:00 - The Art of Using the Mona Lisa

Eliza Madrigal: "Life is wonderous, as it is"
Wol Euler: agreed.
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Vendy Walpole: yes, even these virtual snowflakes are wonderful and so calming
Eliza Madrigal: hm, yes there is a calming effect about them... just falling falling
Vendy Walpole: with no sound at all
Eliza Madrigal: easy
Wol Euler: sound-swallowing, actually, I love the silence of a snowfall
Eliza Madrigal: Ohh.... a softeness and buffer
Eliza Madrigal: yes quite nurturing

painting by Frederic Remington, 'note,,the horses in full motion,,ridrs quite static'

Eliza Madrigal: And speaking of details, how is the museum coming along Adams? :)
Eliza Madrigal: I'm holding myself from walking through, until it opens
Vendy Walpole: will it be open soon?
Adams Dubrovna: Hard to say how it is going, I am working hard on it
Adams Dubrovna: It opens December 14 at 11:00 am SLT

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