2009.03.23 07:00 - Endless Spring

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Eliza Madrigal. The comments are by Eliza Madrigal.

    My very first session as a Play as Being Guardian, on my 2nd month anniversary in Second Life!

    Fael Illyar: Hello Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Susi, Fael, Hello!
    Susi Alcott: hello Eliza and Fael
    Fael Illyar: Hi Susi :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Fael, I've often thought that we're not here at the same time often :)
    Eliza Madrigal: And Susi, I think it has been a while since I've seen you also.
    Fael Illyar: Isn't this the first time? ... perhaps?
    Eliza Madrigal: Maybe. When I read the logs, I suppose it blurs :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Today is my 2 month SL anniversary
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Eliza Madrigal: Namaste, Susi
    Susi Alcott: hi Pema
    Eliza Madrigal: Morning, Pema
    Pema Pera: Hi Susi, Fael, Eliza!
    Susi Alcott: Hi Ducfish
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Visitor :) Have you been here before?
    Pema Pera: Hi Visitor, feel free to join us here
    Visitor: Sorry, new to SL can't find keys
    Eliza Madrigal: :) I've just sent you a notecard about our group here. If it is okay with you, we record these sessions...

    Fael was captivated by a book this morning.

    Fael Illyar: "This generation, that now lives on earth, will see my return. It will not happen as you think and many will not recognise me. but listen to my speech and you'll understand who I am. That I will journey among you again means that the time for end times has began. Now is the time to sort weeds from plants. Know this and reform." My free translation from this book I have here in Finnish.
    Eliza Madrigal: What book is this, Fael?

    At this point, our new visitor hurried away. :) We began to discuss the book, and "end times" visions a bit...

    Fael Illyar: As far as I know, it only exists in Swedish and Finnish so far.
    Eliza Madrigal: Hmm, and what is the origin?
    Fael Illyar: I'd translate the title but it seems I'm lacking vocabulary :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Missing spoons, as Ade would say? :)
    Fael Illyar: would be "New Sermon on the Mount" I guess.
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah...of course
    Eliza Madrigal: Strange how different one translation is from another
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Steven :)
    Pema Pera: Hi Steve!
    Susi Alcott: the new mountain preast...
    Susi Alcott: HI steve _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: Hi Steve :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello, just stopped in to listen
    Susi Alcott: as that's the most near of the firts; swedish title...
    stevenaia Michinaga: nice to see my daytime friends
    Susi Alcott: it's spreas to all of the churchies in Sweden
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to be here in the daytime
    Susi Alcott: but in Finland it's given only to few preasts and the most high beshop
    Pema Pera: lots of sunshine here too, over Central Park
    Pema Pera: Is this a Christian pamphlet, Susi?
    Susi Alcott: it begins with the stories how this book was 'born'
    Susi Alcott: but the text starts about so, that 'remember that I didn't write the bible, but now that is me who's speaking'
    Susi Alcott: and those words are channeld by the lady in Sweden; from Jesus Christ
    Fael Illyar: Pema, I'm a bit torn on whether to call it Christian pamphlet. Depends on whether you take Christian to mean from the church or if from Jesus.
    Eliza Madrigal: I feel that it is nearly impossible to "hear" Jesus without some background in eastern thought...always talking about consciousness..and "end times" can be such a trap
    Susi Alcott: but...cuz Fael has the book now and his english is better than mine....she can answer more spsific...
    Pema Pera: over the course of history there have been rather many small groups that have proclaimed that "the end is near" and that they had direct contact with Jesus . . . .
    Fael Illyar: hey, I've only read 30 pages so far.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Fael Illyar: felt conflicted to put the book down to come here even... Didn't know why I was putting it down since I wanted to keep reading.
    Susi Alcott: maybe you was ment to bring this topic here today ...
    Eliza Madrigal: It is a kind of modern prophesy? Or a Bible translation?
    Fael Illyar: no translation.
    Susi Alcott: (the translation to finnish is my made, but with the help at first from the lady who's swedish is perfect )
    Susi Alcott: not the translation of the bible
    Susi Alcott: as I said; them---at least quite first words were; "remember that I didn't write the bible; now that is me who speaks"
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah
    Susi Alcott: and that book has given 'points' to hundreds of people in both lands, and connectes so called spriitualist people to be more wtihin love and understanding

    Here, my mind wandered. When Susi used the word 'points' I thought of points of light, then interconnection, resonating ideas, and "Indra's Net" though now re-reading it did not directly connect to the topic.  :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra's_net  

    Susi Alcott: and many people in Finland has told, that this book has given answers to there questions...even to such that they have had halfly...or rose up on the day...
    Fael Illyar has spent most of today asleep awake.
    Fael Illyar: until I felt like picking up this book finally.
    Susi Alcott: when I got the script on my hands, I thought to read few pages to get to know what Tuula gave me ...
    Susi Alcott: I couldn't but start from the first word and continue to it's end...
    Susi Alcott: ...the rest one can read from that book...
    Fael Illyar: I think this needs English translation. Is there one?
    Susi Alcott: not that I'de know; there was the try....but I have not heared that it would've been done
    Eliza Madrigal: Is this a general call for love? Or a person saying "Follow me?"
    Susi Alcott: not to say; follow me
    Fael Illyar: call for love and to follow your own inner feelings.
    Susi Alcott: prefere the call to love
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: and yes; there is some try to help people to think that how shall 'he' return...
    Susi Alcott: imho, that happenes through peoples own heart *
    Susi Alcott: and his special children
    Susi Alcott: one with there father
    Susi Alcott: (like Obama)
    Eliza Madrigal: I was thinking about how much can happen in a blink....which I suppose has a loose tie with "end times" :)

    Fael had mentioned ideas of half-waking, which for me jumped to concepts of enlightenment and the idea that no one gets "there" alone.... 

    Fael Illyar smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: I've been in Sl for only two months....
    Fael Illyar: in SL, things truly happen fast.
    Eliza Madrigal: And feel as though it has been ages
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Eliza Madrigal: In a flash, one can learn so much...though not really "learning" :)
    Fael Illyar: I've been here for a bit over a year and it already feels like a few lifetimes :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!+_
    Pema Pera: only two months, Eliza? amazing
    Eliza Madrigal: It is!
    Pema Pera: yes, things happen fast here
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Pema Pera: daily meetings are impossible in RL, unless you live in the same place almost
    Pema Pera: and here it is so easy
    Susi Alcott: nearly with the speed of mind/thoughts _/!\_
    Pema Pera: Eliza, can you remind me, did you have a particular goal when you came to SL?
    Eliza Madrigal: Not at all. I have been in a transition phase in life...so was looking for a diversion :)
    Eliza Madrigal: I became curious about SL during the election
    Eliza Madrigal: People would mention rallys and such taking place...
    Eliza Madrigal: And I have a dd who used a version of SL in Geography class
    Pema Pera: a dd?
    Eliza Madrigal: So, I bought a new computer to see :) I can never keep my hands out of cookie jars
    stevenaia Michinaga: I actually watched Oboma's acceptance speach in SL with a group and a live feed from chicago
    Eliza Madrigal: Daughter :) I have three children actually.
    Pema Pera: haha, that's the spirit of exploration, Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: Did you Steven? Did you go on Twitter and tell people about it?
    Eliza Madrigal: :D
    Pema Pera admits he hasn't yet gotten onto twitter . . . .
    Eliza Madrigal: It was only during the election..felt compelled to refute nonsense
    stevenaia Michinaga: just started twitter, havn't found the utility in it yet
    Eliza Madrigal: Honestly, I don't care for it, but I felt a tad useful :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: Facebook is distracting enough
    stevenaia Michinaga: usully tweet what's for dinner
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Eliza Madrigal: We are so modern ;-)
    Fael Illyar amused at how the conversation turned.

    The conversation had turned. We were at the end of ends, but were still talking about webs and nets to an extent...networks more specifically, and the new structure of communication and learning. 

    Pema Pera: twitter has one advantage that it is a kind of semantic web through people power
    Fael Illyar: but ... this book talks of a new world order and it's been written in 1994. I can clearly see signs of that happening today.
    Eliza Madrigal: This is what I like about our era...My dd, with her relevant ideas, can be heard
    Pema Pera: yes, definitely, Eliza!
    Pema Pera: like wikipedia
    Eliza Madrigal: Yes
    Eliza Madrigal: Fael, people have always seen signs. I like the Gospel of Thomas which says "The kingdom of God is spread upon the earth and men do not see it>"
    Eliza Madrigal: We're always looking here and there
    Eliza Madrigal: And I worry that we look to end times, and forget to live
    Fael Illyar: Eliza, I'm talking of concrete changes happening that will completely change the way our society works :)
    Fael Illyar: wikipedia is an excellent example.
    Pema Pera: and a very surprising one
    Pema Pera: I don't think anybody could have predicted its success
    stevenaia Michinaga: When I hear of "concrete changes happening that will completely change the way our society works" I usually can sit back and wait
    stevenaia Michinaga: society is wonderfully unpredictable... remember betamax?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: so much is contingent
    Fael Illyar: Pema, it's founders certainly did see promise for it.
    Pema Pera: yes, but I bet the founders were surprised by its success
    Eliza Madrigal: I love that...someone steps out with an "idealistic" sort of vision, and it actually takes! :)
    Susi Alcott: may I tell one story of such phenomenas that I think that Fael is speaking about...in Finland...
    Fael Illyar: perhaps the speed with which it happened, not that it happened
    Susi Alcott: ?
    Fael Illyar: Sure, go ahead.
    Susi Alcott: there was this insurence company that told that they shall put many people away
    Susi Alcott: but then one big customer said, that in case they do so, they shall chooce an other insurence company, and they also gave the 'dead line' for this company to cancel there decition
    Susi Alcott: so; this company canceled that , but not early enough
    Susi Alcott: so they lost the big customer, but they did learn
    Susi Alcott: end of the story
    Fael Illyar: in short, hierarchies are losing their underpinnings.
    Eliza Madrigal: Hm
    Fael Illyar: the artificial hierarchies that is
    Fael Illyar: those that are enforced by rules.
    Susi Alcott: wouldnt' that mean also the changes in socity ?
    Fael Illyar: That's a natural consequence of people being able to contact each other very easily, no matter where they are.
    Susi Alcott: ...love...instead of hard business
    Fael Illyar: Yes, and the people at the top of the current hierarchies are of course fighting back :)
    Susi Alcott: careing more of people than money mountains
    Fael Illyar: I'm finding it amusing that this text pointed out that the chages will begin from Sweden, followed closely by other nordic countries. Compared with that that's how the pirate parties are gaining strength around the world.
    Fael Illyar: Sweden the lead
    Fael Illyar: other nordic countries playing catchup
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Eliza Madrigal: It is odd to think about "no rules" . It seems like it would be a "good thing", but not so sure. And people have a way of making "no rules" into a rule
    Fael Illyar: Hi Adams :)
    Susi Alcott: not a question of 'no rules'...the genuin freedom does not take place without them ...limits...
    Susi Alcott: hi Adams
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Adams
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Adams!!
    Adams Rubble: Hello everyone :)
    Fael Illyar: I mean, if I had to summarize the Pirate Party line, they're against rules restricting the flow of information.
    Eliza Madrigal: Adams, How are you enjoying the Spring? The weather is perfect here in Miami...very breezy

    Fael Illyar: in short, freedom of speech.

    Ahhh, the tactile. Though conversing and contemplating are wonderful, TOUCHING the earth (even with skates and wheels) is not easily matched!

    Adams Rubble likes Springtime
    stevenaia Michinaga: Miami..chuckes, that sounds nice
    Pema Pera: yesterday I was skating in Central Park . . . .
    Eliza Madrigal: Pema! That sounds lovely!
    Eliza Madrigal: I've never ice-skated outdoors...
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Pema Pera: it was well over 50 degrees, or 10 Celsius
    Pema Pera: yet the ice was firm, they must have a good refrigerator
    Susi Alcott: in Finland there's not been so much possibilities to indoor skating but lately
    Pema Pera: it was the first time in twenty years that I tried skating :-)
    Fael Illyar: wow, how did it go?
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    stevenaia Michinaga: sorry I missed that, Pena
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pema Pera: missed what, Steve?
    stevenaia Michinaga: you skating for the 1st time in 20 years
    Adams Rubble wondering whether Steve would have been skating too :)
    Pema Pera: ah, you would have liked to come over?
    Pema Pera: hahaha
    Pema Pera: Interesting idea, indoor skating in Finland!
    Pema Pera: I thought there would be enough outdoor chances . . . .
    Eliza Madrigal: Did you manage okay?
    Susi Alcott: more of such there's still
    Pema Pera: surprisingly, after twenty minutes it all came back, Eliza
    Susi Alcott: outdoor chances I mean
    Pema Pera: the body has its own memory . . . .
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Pema Pera: do the canals freeze over every winter, Susi?
    Susi Alcott: mostly
    Pema Pera: that's nice; it used to be the case in Holland
    Adams Rubble: I had a similar experience taking up bicycling after 30 years
    Susi Alcott: but here in southern where my body lives, has been such wintrers that it has not always happen
    Pema Pera: we would skate from one village to another, have a cup of coffee, and return, much more fun that going in circles on a skating rink
    Adams Rubble: There are all those wonderful skating pictures in Dutch and Flemish apinting
    Adams Rubble: Great to hear it still goes on
    Eliza Madrigal: Adams, you didn't bike for 30 years?
    Adams Rubble: nope
    Adams Rubble: It was a leap of faith because I had to but a bicycle before rtying again
    Adams Rubble: buy not but
    Adams Rubble: no place to rent one
    Adams Rubble: anymore
    Adams Rubble: because of insurance
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah.
    Pema Pera: how hard was it, Adams, to get back into swing again?
    Adams Rubble: Surprisingly easy. Like you say the body has memory
    Adams Rubble: I felt like a kid again :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Someone told me that rollerblading would be easy if I could iceskate...did *not* find that.
    Eliza Madrigal: :D Adams :D
    Susi Alcott: _(!\_
    Eliza Madrigal: Something comforting about the ice all around rather than the road
    Adams Rubble: fewer potholes
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera now gets very curious about rollerblading . . . .
    Pema Pera: that's surprising indeed, Eliza!
    stevenaia Michinaga: hint, buy wrist guards
    Eliza Madrigal: I think Sl needs a Central Park ? :)
    Adams Rubble: helmet?
    Eliza Madrigal: Helmet and wrist guards and knee pads oh my
    Pema Pera: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: that too
    Pema Pera: it's 8 am, have to get back to RL
    Pema Pera: good seeing you all again!
    Adams Rubble: bye Pema :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, back to work for me too
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Adams Rubble: yep. me too :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Pema! :)
    Adams Rubble: bye everyone :)
    Fael Illyar: See you later Pema, Adams, Steve :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Steven, and Adams :)
    Pema Pera: bye for now!
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Eliza Madrigal: I've an ortho appointment to take my son to today. He is so happy to leave school early :)

    As I write this, I am now twenty minutes beyond picking him up. I am hopeful however that I've managed to post correctly and that more tweaking is not necessary. :)

    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: Ah, you need to leave?
    stevenaia Michinaga: By Fael, Susi and Eilza
    Fael Illyar: See you later then, Eliza :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye guys. Thanks for being here for my first guardian session :)
    Fael Illyar smiles 'You're welcome.'
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Susi Alcott: again nice new dress on you Fael :)
    Fael Illyar smiles 'Thank you.'
    Fael Illyar: cost a bit more than I usually am willing to pay but somehow could not not buy it
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_
    Fael Illyar: just now noticed that in a bit of a hurry I wore wrong outfit at first and then forgot to remove the extra parts :)
    Susi Alcott: _/!\_

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