The Guardian for this meeting was sophia Placebo. The comments are by sophia Placebo.
I arrived after Wol
Scathach and Mickorod .I was there and not there really , a bit
distracted or something similar to distraction , not sure .
Three other
visitors joined us later , tow of them didnt give permision to
mention their names in the chat log though one of them contributed in
an intersting short chat.
Wol Euler: friday 26 june, 1pm
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Wol:)
Wol Euler: hello scath!
Wol Euler: happy friday.
Scathach Rhiadra: =^.^=
Scathach Rhiadra: Happy friday!
Wol Euler: hello mick
Mickorod Renard: hiya,,happy friday
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Mick!
Wol Euler: :)
Mickorod Renard: have either of you took up the option of the gurdin land?
sophia Placebo: greetings
Mickorod Renard: gaurdian
Wol Euler: yes indeed.
Wol Euler: hello sophia
Mickorod Renard: Hiya Sophie
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Sophia!
Mickorod Renard: nice outfit sophia
sophia Placebo: hi sun
Wol Euler: wooo, that's a dramatic skin sophia!
Scathach Rhiadra nods
they
were reffering to a goth ,pale skin with smokey eye shadow , a fair
hair thats gives the impression of someone just got out of fight , a
skin covered with tattos with black cloths . How much the outside can
tell about the inside?
*Sunfire joined us
, and started the conversation
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello sunfire
Wol Euler: hello sunfire
sophia Placebo: yes it is :)
Sunfire Langer: hello guys
Mickorod Renard: hi sun
sophia Placebo: hi sophia :)
Mickorod Renard: hiya sophia shaz
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello sophiaSharon
Wol Euler: hello sophiasharon
SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Scath, Wol
sophia Placebo: so how are you all ?
Wol Euler: tired but happy :)
Scathach Rhiadra: well thank you:)
Mickorod Renard: I am fine thanks..well,,sort of
Scathach Rhiadra: and how are you?
sophia Placebo: :)
sophia Placebo: alive :) so far
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Mickorod Renard: thats the main thing
Wol Euler smiles. That's about all any of us can say with certainty.
sophia Placebo: hehe
Sunfire Langer: really, I'm sure we could go further, Wol
Sunfire Langer: ?*
Wol Euler: we could describe the present in more detail, and the past with some certainty, but not the future
Sunfire Langer: we could describe our present, from the position we see it, theres no doubt that we are experiencing
Mickorod Renard: Hi Qt
Wol Euler: true; but is what we experience objectively "true"? is it what somebody standing beside us would also perceive?
Wol Euler: hello qt
Qt Core: hi all
Scathach Rhiadra: Hello QT
SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Qt
sophia Placebo: hi qt
Sunfire Langer: difficult, it both would and not simultaneously, Wol
Wol Euler: indeed.
Wol Euler: that's a large part of the reasoning or intention behind meditation practices
Wol Euler: to hope to reduce the distorting effect of what we expect or interpret or believe, on what is actually "out there"
Indra's
Net : we stop for a while reading about that from wiki ,there was
many pauses in this session , odd enough this session was long and
short at the same time .
Sunfire Langer: I see the difference between whats actually out there
and whats experienced as the shape of the mirror its reflected (the
perceiver). reality is bouncing off these reflective surfaces infinitely
Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, that reminds me of Indra's Net
Wol Euler: could you tell us about that, please, Scath?
Scathach Rhiadra: I will have to give you the wikipedia URL, it is not
something I know much about, just the reference to jewels all endlessly
reflecting in each other
Mickorod Renard: sneaks off..bye
Scathach Rhiadra:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra's_net
sophia Placebo: bye mick
Qt Core: bye mick
Wol Euler: bye mick, enjoy the wekend
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Mick
Scathach Rhiadra: bye Mick
Wol Euler:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra%27s_net
Scathach Rhiadra: ah sorry, gave wrong URL, ty Wol:)
Wol Euler: yw
Wol Euler: fascinating, thank you Scath.
sophia Placebo: intersting
*after a long pause
Scathach Rhiadra: getting back to what is actually 'out there'..
Wol Euler: please :)
Scathach Rhiadra: heehee:)
sophia Placebo: :)
Sunfire Langer: Until it is seen, we can only call it Energy
Scathach Rhiadra: our only experience of that is internal, acn't be any other way
Scathach Rhiadra: can't*
Scathach Rhiadra: so maybe finding out what is really experiencing is
more important than what is out there, our true nature, so to speak
Sunfire Langer: thats interesting
The
2 intersting visitors , me and Wol asked their permission on IM. One
of them step forward and chat for a few mints , the other just
watched silently. Both of them has the appearance of Vampires or Goth
, tattos black leather and the amazing red stained cloths .
We welcomed them
and asked them to join if they like , they started with the common
question what is this group about and what were we discussion back
then ,
as Wol tried to resume the discussion
,the visitor
responded almost spontaneously about the aim of this kind of
discussions
werent these
discussed befor and many books published about that , so why to waste
time talking about what had been talked about
though we tried to
explain that the experience is not like the observation
explaining to her
that reading about a vampires is not like being one it is something
else no one can tell you about but yourself and so reading a
cooking book is not like tasting the recipes inside it but she was
resistant to that as she as she suggest another way to have a new
experiment through eating the book itself
really intersting
^^
another try * back
to where we were
Wol Euler: let's try again, then :)
Wol Euler: [13:36] Wol Euler: [13:27] Scathach Rhiadra: getting back to what is actually 'out there'..
[13:28] Sunfire Langer: Until it is seen, we can only call it Energy
[13:28] Scathach Rhiadra: our only experience of that is internal, can't be any other way
Scathach Rhiadra: so maybe finding out what is really experiencing is
more important than what is out there, our true nature, so to speak
Wol Euler: [13:37] Sunfire Langer: thats interesting
Scathach Rhiadra gets that repeating feeling:)
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: sure :)
Wol Euler: given that we are these imperfect and distorting receivers,
it is a good thing to figure out how and where the distortions occur
Sunfire Langer: its a lot about the different ways we see it, we all
use the same language, or see the same objects, but we each contribute
something to what either of those mean
Scathach Rhiadra nods, our distorting lens'
Sunfire Langer: I prefer... 'divergent lens' like a refractor...
Scathach Rhiadra: or maybe filtering?
Sunfire Langer: well, its a co-creation, the experience is a co-creation with the reality and the experiencer
Scathach Rhiadra: can you say more?
Sunfire Langer: there is Energy, energies in intricate formations and
vibrations these communicate with the consciousness in together
experiencing whats 'out there'.
sophia Placebo: we cant expiernce all of what is out there
sophia Placebo: so we cant really know if are expiriencing all of what is out there whatever methode we used
Sunfire Langer: but we do know the intimate secrets of our own 'tunnel through reality'.
that
was a try to hold a string to keep me in this discussion maybe due to
the word distortion effect on my mental state that moment
distortion
distraction diversion filtering
sophia Placebo: but what about what we can and what we do ? in relation to what we used to got it
sophia Placebo: intimate secrets?
I
crashed and Sunfire seem to be left short after and the thoughts of
the discussion seemed to returned to the beginnings
SophiaSharon Larnia: I agree with you Sunfire, and quantam physics is
somewhat pointing to this, but where does this certainty come from.
That is a filter I am examining now.
Sunfire Langer: The only certainty that makes sense to me is that 'One
experiences what one experiences', I dont think that any total
certainty holds beyond that, SophiaS
Wol Euler smiles. That is pretty well where we started, Sunfire :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes that is what ive concluded too, but it is what it is doesnt seem suffient to me these days :))
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: (typos sorry)
Wol Euler: how about "we think it is what we think it is"?
SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i dont experience this energy nor see it with my eyes yet i still trust that its there
SophiaSharon Larnia: directly, i mean
Wol Euler nods
Wol Euler: wb sophia
SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Sophia :)
Scathach Rhiadra: wb Sophia:)
sophia Placebo: ty , sorry lost the connection
sophia Placebo: where were you ?
Wol Euler: [14:03] SophiaSharon Larnia: I agree with you Sunfire, and
quantam physics is somewhat pointing to this, but where does this
certainty come from. That is a filter I am examining now.
[14:04] sophia Placebo is Offline
[14:06] Sunfire Langer: The only certainty that makes sense to me is
that 'One experiences what one experiences', I dont think that any
total certainty holds beyond that, SophiaS
[14:06] Wol Euler smiles. That is pretty well where we started, Sunfire
:)
[14:06] SophiaSharon Larnia: yes that is what ive concluded too, but it
is what it is doesnt seem suffient to me these days :))
Wol Euler: [14:07] Wol Euler: how about "we think it is what we think it is"?
[14:08] SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i dont experience this energy nor see it with my eyes yet i still trust that its there
[14:08] SophiaSharon Larnia: directly, i mean
[14:08] Wol Euler nods
sophia Placebo: ty
sophia Placebo: so we went back to where we start :)
SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
Wol Euler smiles
Scathach Rhiadra: :)
Qt Core: don't we do that quite often here ? ;-)
Scathach Rhiadra nods
Qt Core: we start from ourselves, go out feeling the universe around us and go back to ourselves
Scathach Rhiadra: that is a nice way of saying it QT:)
sophia Placebo: from ashes to ashes
SophiaSharon Larnia: is that seeing being and being seeing then
Wol Euler: :)
Byes and last
comments
Scathach Rhiadra: I must go, thanks for the great chat, good night all:)
sophia Placebo: goodnight scath
Wol Euler: 'night scath, take care.
SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Scath
Scathach Rhiadra: Namasté
sophia Placebo: hi shyama
Wol Euler: hello shyama, nice to see you again.
Shyama Sheryffe: hi sophia and wol
SophiaSharon Larnia: hi shyama
Shyama Sheryffe: are u finishing
SophiaSharon Larnia: and bye all I have to go too :)
Wol Euler: afraid so :)
Wol Euler: you always turn up just as we are getting done :)
sophia Placebo: bye sophia
Wol Euler: bye sophiasharon, enjoy the weekend
SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
Shyama Sheryffe: hi sophia and bye
SophiaSharon Larnia: you too!!
Shyama Sheryffe: ok, i willgo to bed then, lol
sophia Placebo: hehe goodnight
Shyama Sheryffe: see u all
Wol Euler: 'night shyama
Wol Euler: too slow.
sophia Placebo: :)
Fun? Im all up to
it who said anything about distraction
Wol Euler: sophia, do you want to practice expelling?
Wol Euler: try it on me, but please do not ban me!
Wol Euler: just expel, not expel and ban :)
sophia Placebo: hehe , i was just about to do it
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: banning is serious, only Pema nd Storm can undo that.
sophia Placebo: but i only see eject and freez
Wol Euler: select eject
sophia Placebo: great !!
Qt Core: it seem it worked ;-)
sophia Placebo: how should she come back?
Qt Core: just tping like always
sophia Placebo: ok
Qt Core: (i suppose)
sophia Placebo: hehe
sophia Placebo: im totally lost today in the convo
Qt Core: convo ?
sophia Placebo: todays conversation
Wol Euler grins
sophia Placebo: *:::* WELCOME BACK *:::*
Qt Core: i'm still surpriswed i could be here, in last weeks at PaB meeting time something always happen in rl
Wol Euler: it#s pretty effective :)
sophia Placebo: hehe qt ,lucky day
Wol Euler: yeah, ours too :)
Qt Core: well, in theory i should have gone to a lesson about celtic astronomy held by my amateur astronomer club
Wol Euler: ooooh
sophia Placebo: in theory :)
Wol Euler: celtic astronomy? do they look for knotty stars?
Qt Core: ;-)
Qt Core: i'm planning on asking for some bibliography to the speaker the next time i saw him
Qt Core: see*
sophia Placebo: i gotta sleep :) night all
Qt Core: 'night sophia
Wol Euler: goodnight sophia, sweet dreams
Wol Euler: I should go too, it's been a long day. Goodnight, QT, enjoy the weekend
Qt Core: i'll try, between storms ;-)
Wol Euler: yeh, here too :)
Wol Euler: bye
Qt Core: bye