2009.06.26 13:00 - Passing through a net of reflecting mirrors ,distorted images,filters and lenses to return to the beginnings

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    The Guardian for this meeting was sophia Placebo. The comments are by sophia Placebo.

    I arrived after Wol Scathach and Mickorod .I was there and not there really , a bit distracted or something similar to distraction , not sure .

    Three other visitors joined us later , tow of them didnt give permision to mention their names in the chat log though one of them contributed in an intersting short chat.



     Wol Euler: friday 26 june, 1pm
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Wol:)
    Wol Euler: hello scath!
    Wol Euler: happy friday.
    Scathach Rhiadra: =^.^=
    Scathach Rhiadra: Happy friday!
    Wol Euler: hello mick
    Mickorod Renard: hiya,,happy friday
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Mick!
    Wol Euler: :)
    Mickorod Renard: have either of you took up the option of the gurdin land?
    sophia Placebo: greetings
    Mickorod Renard: gaurdian
    Wol Euler: yes indeed.
    Wol Euler: hello sophia
    Mickorod Renard: Hiya Sophie
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Sophia!
    Mickorod Renard: nice outfit sophia
    sophia Placebo: hi sun
    Wol Euler: wooo, that's a dramatic skin sophia!
    Scathach Rhiadra nods

    they were reffering to a goth ,pale skin with smokey eye shadow , a fair hair thats gives the impression of someone just got out of fight , a skin covered with tattos with black cloths . How much the outside can tell about the inside?


    *Sunfire joined  us , and started the conversation


    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello sunfire
    Wol Euler: hello sunfire
    sophia Placebo: yes it is :)
    Sunfire Langer: hello guys
    Mickorod Renard: hi sun
    sophia Placebo: hi sophia :)
    Mickorod Renard: hiya sophia shaz
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello sophiaSharon
    Wol Euler: hello sophiasharon
    SophiaSharon Larnia: HI Scath, Wol
    sophia Placebo: so how are you all ?
    Wol Euler: tired but happy :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: well thank you:)
    Mickorod Renard: I am fine thanks..well,,sort of
    Scathach Rhiadra: and how are you?
    sophia Placebo: :)
    sophia Placebo: alive :) so far
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Mickorod Renard: thats the main thing
    Wol Euler smiles. That's about all any of us can say with certainty.
    sophia Placebo: hehe
    Sunfire Langer: really, I'm sure we could go further, Wol
    Sunfire Langer: ?*
    Wol Euler: we could describe the present in more detail, and the past with some certainty, but not the future
    Sunfire Langer: we could describe our present, from the position we see it, theres no doubt that we are experiencing
    Mickorod Renard: Hi Qt
    Wol Euler: true; but is what we experience objectively "true"? is it what somebody standing beside us would also perceive?
    Wol Euler: hello qt
    Qt Core: hi all
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello QT
    SophiaSharon Larnia: Hi Qt
    sophia Placebo: hi qt
    Sunfire Langer: difficult, it both would and not simultaneously, Wol
    Wol Euler: indeed.
    Wol Euler: that's a large part of the reasoning or intention behind meditation practices
    Wol Euler: to hope to reduce the distorting effect of what we expect or interpret or believe, on what is actually "out there"

    Indra's Net : we stop for a while reading about that from wiki ,there was many pauses in this session , odd enough this session was long and short at the same time .



    Sunfire Langer: I see the difference between whats actually out there and whats experienced as the shape of the mirror its reflected (the perceiver). reality is bouncing off these reflective surfaces infinitely
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, that reminds me of Indra's Net
    Wol Euler: could you tell us about that, please, Scath?
    Scathach Rhiadra: I will have to give you the wikipedia URL, it is not something I know much about, just the reference to jewels all endlessly reflecting in each other
    Mickorod Renard: sneaks off..bye
    Scathach Rhiadra: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra's_net
    sophia Placebo: bye mick
    Qt Core: bye mick
    Wol Euler: bye mick, enjoy the wekend
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Mick
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Mick
    Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra%27s_net
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah sorry, gave wrong URL, ty Wol:)
    Wol Euler: yw
    Wol Euler: fascinating, thank you Scath.
    sophia Placebo: intersting

    *after a long pause


    Scathach Rhiadra: getting back to what is actually 'out there'..
    Wol Euler: please :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: heehee:)
    sophia Placebo: :)
    Sunfire Langer: Until it is seen, we can only call it Energy
    Scathach Rhiadra: our only experience of that is internal, acn't be any other way
    Scathach Rhiadra: can't*
    Scathach Rhiadra: so maybe finding out what is really experiencing is more important than what is out there, our true nature, so to speak
    Sunfire Langer: thats interesting

    The 2 intersting visitors , me and Wol asked their permission on IM. One of them step forward and chat for a few mints , the other just watched silently. Both of them has the appearance of Vampires or Goth , tattos black leather and the amazing red stained cloths .

    We welcomed them and asked them to join if they like , they started with the common question what is this group about and what were we discussion back then ,
    as Wol tried to resume the discussion

    ,the visitor responded almost spontaneously about the aim of this kind of discussions

    werent these discussed befor and many books published about that , so why to waste time talking about what had been talked about

    though we tried to explain that the experience is not like the observation

    explaining to her that reading about a vampires is not like being one it is something else no one can tell you about but yourself and so reading a cooking book is not like tasting the recipes inside it but she was resistant to that as she as she suggest another way to have a new experiment through eating the book itself

    really intersting ^^

     



    another try * back to where we were




    Wol Euler: let's try again, then :)
    Wol Euler: [13:36] Wol Euler: [13:27] Scathach Rhiadra: getting back to what is actually 'out there'.. [13:28] Sunfire Langer: Until it is seen, we can only call it Energy [13:28] Scathach Rhiadra: our only experience of that is internal, can't be any other way
    Scathach Rhiadra: so maybe finding out what is really experiencing is more important than what is out there, our true nature, so to speak
    Wol Euler: [13:37] Sunfire Langer: thats interesting
    Scathach Rhiadra gets that repeating feeling:)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: sure :)
    Wol Euler: given that we are these imperfect and distorting receivers, it is a good thing to figure out how and where the distortions occur
    Sunfire Langer: its a lot about the different ways we see it, we all use the same language, or see the same objects, but we each contribute something to what either of those mean
    Scathach Rhiadra nods, our distorting lens'
    Sunfire Langer: I prefer... 'divergent lens' like a refractor...
    Scathach Rhiadra: or maybe filtering?
    Sunfire Langer: well, its a co-creation, the experience is a co-creation with the reality and the experiencer
    Scathach Rhiadra: can you say more?
    Sunfire Langer: there is Energy, energies in intricate formations and vibrations these communicate with the consciousness in together experiencing whats 'out there'.
    sophia Placebo: we cant expiernce all of what is out there
    sophia Placebo: so we cant really know if are expiriencing all of what is out there whatever methode we used
    Sunfire Langer: but we do know the intimate secrets of our own 'tunnel through reality'.


    that was a try to hold a string to keep me in this discussion maybe due to the word distortion effect on my mental state that moment

    distortion distraction diversion filtering


    sophia Placebo: but what about what we can and what we do ? in relation to what we used to got it
    sophia Placebo: intimate secrets?

    I crashed and Sunfire seem to be left short after and the thoughts of the discussion seemed to returned to the beginnings




    SophiaSharon Larnia: I agree with you Sunfire, and quantam physics is somewhat pointing to this, but where does this certainty come from. That is a filter I am examining now.
    Sunfire Langer: The only certainty that makes sense to me is that 'One experiences what one experiences', I dont think that any total certainty holds beyond that, SophiaS
    Wol Euler smiles. That is pretty well where we started, Sunfire :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes that is what ive concluded too, but it is what it is doesnt seem suffient to me these days :))
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (typos sorry)
    Wol Euler: how about "we think it is what we think it is"?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i dont experience this energy nor see it with my eyes yet i still trust that its there
    SophiaSharon Larnia: directly, i mean
    Wol Euler nods
    Wol Euler: wb sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wb Sophia :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: wb Sophia:)
    sophia Placebo: ty , sorry lost the connection
    sophia Placebo: where were you ?
    Wol Euler: [14:03] SophiaSharon Larnia: I agree with you Sunfire, and quantam physics is somewhat pointing to this, but where does this certainty come from. That is a filter I am examining now. [14:04] sophia Placebo is Offline [14:06] Sunfire Langer: The only certainty that makes sense to me is that 'One experiences what one experiences', I dont think that any total certainty holds beyond that, SophiaS [14:06] Wol Euler smiles. That is pretty well where we started, Sunfire :) [14:06] SophiaSharon Larnia: yes that is what ive concluded too, but it is what it is doesnt seem suffient to me these days :))
    Wol Euler: [14:07] Wol Euler: how about "we think it is what we think it is"? [14:08] SophiaSharon Larnia: yes i dont experience this energy nor see it with my eyes yet i still trust that its there [14:08] SophiaSharon Larnia: directly, i mean [14:08] Wol Euler nods
    sophia Placebo: ty
    sophia Placebo: so we went back to where we start :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
    Wol Euler smiles
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Qt Core: don't we do that quite often here ? ;-)
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Qt Core: we start from ourselves, go out feeling the universe around us and go back to ourselves
    Scathach Rhiadra: that is a nice way of saying it QT:)
    sophia Placebo: from ashes to ashes
    SophiaSharon Larnia: is that seeing being and being seeing then
    Wol Euler: :)

    Byes and last comments


    Scathach Rhiadra: I must go, thanks for the great chat, good night all:)
    sophia Placebo: goodnight scath
    Wol Euler: 'night scath, take care.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Scath
    Scathach Rhiadra: Namasté
    sophia Placebo: hi shyama
    Wol Euler: hello shyama, nice to see you again.
    Shyama Sheryffe: hi sophia and wol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hi shyama
    Shyama Sheryffe: are u finishing
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and bye all I have to go too :)
    Wol Euler: afraid so :)
    Wol Euler: you always turn up just as we are getting done :)
    sophia Placebo: bye sophia
    Wol Euler: bye sophiasharon, enjoy the weekend
    SophiaSharon Larnia: waves
    Shyama Sheryffe: hi sophia and bye
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you too!!
    Shyama Sheryffe: ok, i willgo to bed then, lol
    sophia Placebo: hehe goodnight
    Shyama Sheryffe: see u all
    Wol Euler: 'night shyama
    Wol Euler: too slow.
    sophia Placebo: :)

    Fun? Im all up to it who said anything about distraction


    Wol Euler: sophia, do you want to practice expelling?
    Wol Euler: try it on me, but please do not ban me!
    Wol Euler: just expel, not expel and ban :)
    sophia Placebo: hehe , i was just about to do it
    Wol Euler: :)
    Wol Euler: banning is serious, only Pema nd Storm can undo that.
    sophia Placebo: but i only see eject and freez
    Wol Euler: select eject
    sophia Placebo: great !!
    Qt Core: it seem it worked ;-)
    sophia Placebo: how should she come back?
    Qt Core: just tping like always
    sophia Placebo: ok
    Qt Core: (i suppose)
    sophia Placebo: hehe
    sophia Placebo: im totally lost today in the convo
    Qt Core: convo ?
    sophia Placebo: todays conversation
    Wol Euler grins
    sophia Placebo: *:::* WELCOME BACK *:::*
    Qt Core: i'm still surpriswed i could be here, in last weeks at PaB meeting time something always happen in rl
    Wol Euler: it#s pretty effective :)
    sophia Placebo: hehe qt ,lucky day
    Wol Euler: yeah, ours too :)
    Qt Core: well, in theory i should have gone to a lesson about celtic astronomy held by my amateur astronomer club
    Wol Euler: ooooh
    sophia Placebo: in theory :)
    Wol Euler: celtic astronomy? do they look for knotty stars?
    Qt Core: ;-)
    Qt Core: i'm planning on asking for some bibliography to the speaker the next time i saw him
    Qt Core: see*
    sophia Placebo: i gotta sleep :) night all
    Qt Core: 'night sophia
    Wol Euler: goodnight sophia, sweet dreams
    Wol Euler: I should go too, it's been a long day. Goodnight, QT, enjoy the weekend
    Qt Core: i'll try, between storms ;-)
    Wol Euler: yeh, here too :)
    Wol Euler: bye
    Qt Core: bye
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