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    Fefonz Quan and I met at my own seaside guardian plot so generosly provided by Play as being. With the sight of the crashing waves we discussed Fefonz's experience with Play as Being.

    I began by probing differences between my own experience and Fefonz's. I began PaB with no practice, either formal and informal.

    Adams Rubble: Thank you for meeting with here with me Fefonz. Unlike me, you seem to have brought an already-existing practice to PaB. Is that corrrect?
    Fefonz Quan: yes
    Fefonz Quan: Though not "formal" or very strict practice, i've been practicing meditation and going to dharma talks for about 6-7 years
    Fefonz Quan: Yet i did not meditate on a daily basis
    Adams Rubble: Were they Buddhist talks?
    Fefonz Quan: Yes. in fact "dharma" talk implies that :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Has PaB made a difference in the regularity of meditation?
    Fefonz Quan: in a way yes, mostly cause it can be done so quickly.
    Fefonz Quan: and also because the involvement in the group sessions and talking about those things also sets you a lot of time in a meditative mood
    Adams Rubble nods
    Fefonz Quan: though i am not the most disciplined disciple :)
    Adams Rubble: I think most of us are not disciplined most of the time but vary from day to day.

    I briefly ask Fefonz how he found his way to PaB

    Fefonz Quan: Well that is easy. i have been at the IAS since last year, and during the "after hours" talk here, i met Piet and he invited me to be a visitor in his interdisciplinary department this year
    Fefonz Quan: From there, and the fact that since last November my part-time job also ceased to exist, i have a lot of time
    Fefonz Quan: and i spent a lot of my time in the office , thus also getting into PaB naturally
    Fefonz Quan: I guess i could summarize all of that in one word - Piet :)
    Adams Rubble: I think many of us are inspired and energized by Piet:)

    And then how it felt like when doing the nine second stops for the first time

    Fefonz Quan: it was very calm, relaxing, refreshing in a way
    Adams Rubble: How does this differ from doing longer meditations?
    Fefonz Quan: On some level it was similar to my vipassana practice. There are(were maybe) some differences for me:
    Fefonz Quan: One was the open eyes, forcing me to include visual appearances into it.
    Fefonz Quan: On the other hand, i do feel that longer meditations have for me some potential for deeper concentration, etc.

    I wanted to get a taste of what it was like beginning in PaB six months after me. I remember it being a slow process to begin to get a sense of what the guardians were like and there were many fewer when I started. But I had been in Second Life for a few months prior to PaB so I did have that background.

    Fefonz Quan: well, if i recall in December there were also fewer than now, so i felt quite shortly you meet the frequent ones.
    Fefonz Quan: and surely the whole experience of SL was new to me, so i needed to get used to that as well
    Adams Rubble: Oh yes, that is quite a bit to take on all at once
    Adams Rubble: So you were learning to walk, talk and sit at the same time you were learning about the 9 seconds
    Fefonz Quan: yes, that was harder i guess, the 9-sec came quite naturally for me.
    Fefonz Quan: the concepts behind them - that's another story ;-)
    Adams Rubble: Pema often compares it to walking into a foreign country as an immigrant
    Fefonz Quan: in SL - sure.
    Fefonz Quan: a foreign country when you don't speak not the language nor the body language :)
    Adams Rubble nods
    Fefonz Quan: in fact till today i consider myself a newbie in that world, considering how i use its features
    Adams Rubble: Yes, it can be a little intimidating
    Fefonz Quan: but in a way i use it a a communication tool, no more
    Adams Rubble nods
    Fefonz Quan: I never was a computer geek in that sense
    Adams Rubble: That raises an interesting point, how do you rate it as a communication tool?
    Fefonz Quan: It is a great communication tool for me.
    Fefonz Quan: In a way, where I am located in RL, my social life in SL are far more developed than currently in RL :)
    Adams Rubble: Yes you are a bit isolated at IAS
    Fefonz Quan: surely that wasn't true for the winter break when i went to my home land. but it was great i could log on to the forum from there
    Adams Rubble: That must have been quite an experience to come into the same world you left here
    Adams Rubble: sort of a connector between locations
    Fefonz Quan: in SL you mean?
    Adams Rubble: yes to come into the same SL world from different RL places
    Fefonz Quan: well, i didnt leave it in a sense. it is like saying i leave my gmail account when abroad
    Adams Rubble thinks and nods
    Fefonz Quan: you are talking to a guy that was daily running algorithms in his remote office on another continent daily, not to mention running machines remotely. that is much weirder
    Adams Rubble: :)

    Then on to the exercises and all those letters

    Adams Rubble: It must have been confusing to be presented with all these exercises that the "old timers" had gotten one at a time over the summer like YSBS, ESBS and APAPB
    Adams Rubble: all at once
    Fefonz Quan: well, once i came into those code names, i jumped on Piet and thus started our dialogue sessions :)
    Adams Rubble: That sounds like a good strategy :)
    Fefonz Quan: yes, RL has its own advantages :)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: Are you still working on those?
    Fefonz Quan: a little, i am not so organized... i just hang around, doing my thing, and when practice comes to mind, sometime it is APAPB (infact that is quite similar to PaB for me)
    Fefonz Quan: somehow lately it is more YSBS, following our last dialogue.
    Fefonz Quan: that one is intruiging in a way
    Fefonz Quan: and ES - i still need to find out what that is
    Adams Rubble: Storm had some powerful experiences with ESBS (see:
    Fefonz Quan: (yes, still remind to me to read them....)

    Adams Rubble: Are you involved in other Kira activities?
    Fefonz Quan: sure :=)
    Fefonz Quan: i am one of the organizers of the Time workshop and i also attend the pheno, dream, phylo sometimes, and stims contemplation
    Adams Rubble: wow, a full plate
    Fefonz Quan: Well, i have a lot of time as you know. those are only 4 hours a week, mind you ;-)
    Adams Rubble: They are at inconvenient times for me and so I am out of it as far as they are concerned
    Fefonz Quan: Yes, in fact that is also why they are good times for me
    Adams Rubble: I presume they all feed and complement each other
    Fefonz Quan: Yes, in a way
    Adams Rubble: Would you care to say more?
    Fefonz Quan: Well, time, pheno, contemplation and PaB all talk about ways to explore the nature of reality, from different percpectives
    Fefonz Quan: The dream one has some different flavour
    Fefonz Quan: and also i like that even though the "theoretical" issues sometimes overlap,
    Fefonz Quan: The dynamics of the sessions differ a lot, which is great
    Fefonz Quan: in PaB it is more free and open (for good and less good :)), in the workshops more constrained,
    Fefonz Quan: in the TIme we hear the people voices - beautiful experience i may say after all the silence chats
    Fefonz Quan: it is so vivid to hear the real people talk, for me it is quite detached from their avatars, like a glimpse to the real world
    Adams Rubble: Rather like a step toward meeting in RL :)
    Fefonz Quan: Yes. and it reminds how expressive our voices are (and how cranky our accent can be ;-))
    Adams Rubble: This is very interesting. This is new to me
    Fefonz Quan: what is new?
    Adams Rubble: New is the description of the relationship between PaB and the Kira sessions
    Adams Rubble: thank you for that

    I then asked if I has missed anything in my questions

    Fefonz Quan: I can say that all in all it is a great experience for me
    Fefonz Quan: both in the practice, "theoretiacal", social, spiritual
    Fefonz Quan: and behind all a great bunch of inspiring, profound, and fun people to meet
    Adams Rubble: Thank you for sharing . The rest of us benefit so much from your presence and contributions
    Fefonz Quan: thanks very much, i am glad to hear that
    Adams Rubble: Sometimes I forget to tell people that :)
    Fefonz Quan: i think that was my gong que to leave :)
    Adams Rubble: OK, thank you for coming and talking
    Adams Rubble: have a good evening
    Fefonz Quan: thanks you adams, it is my pleasure
    Fefonz Quan: you too :)
    Adams Rubble: bye for now :)
    Fefonz Quan: _/!\_

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