This and That

Pema Pera: what is on your mind these days?
Pema Pera likes to ask general questions today . . . .
Eliza Madrigal: this and that
Eliza Madrigal: you?
Pema Pera: hehehe
Eliza Madrigal likes to respond in kind
Pema Pera: that's too easy!
Pema Pera scratches his head . . .
Eliza Madrigal: Actually, I really mean 'this and that'... I read a chapter of a book this morning in which the writer was focusing on our tendencies to see this vs that... in vs out... space vs object
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Pema offered another version of "this and that" :)

Pema Pera: actually, if I hadn't seen you typing busily, I would have given a similar response to your return question in the following way
Eliza Madrigal listens
Pema Pera: that I was struck this morning by the strange way in which I can be at the same time incredibly busy and yet also be in a world that is totally peaceful with no pressures at all
Pema Pera: so hard to put in words
Pema Pera: like being a citizen of two different worlds at the same time
Pema Pera: Doug used to talk about something similar
Pema Pera: and there seems to be no effort involved in switching between those two worlds/realms/modalities/angles
Pema Pera: and no distance to cross either, they feel like a hair breadth away from each other
Pema Pera: does that make some sense?
Eliza Madrigal: evenness then, yes... 'everything' included in
Pema Pera: a bit perhaps too like "space versus objects" as you just mentioned
Pema Pera: "crowded time versus timeless time"

Pema Pera: I feel I'm learning more and more to sense and appreciate the enormous pressure and uncertainties and possible worries that we all labor under, and at the same time the fact that underneath/in/as all that there is the more fundamental space/openness/realm of total freedom/freshness . . . self-liberating in its very arising

Eliza Madrigal: you're resting there... is that abiding?

On abiding and magic.

Pema Pera: yes, abiding is abiding and no more need for a me to do anything, not even abiding, something like that :-)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Eliza Madrigal: For me I still swing...
Eliza Madrigal: back and forth.. forgetting one thing when in another...
Eliza Madrigal: however there are more and more moments and tastes of letting the swinging happen...
Eliza Madrigal: and resting in that in some way.
Eliza Madrigal: knowing, for instance that could I just let the swing, swing... then whatever I'm worrying about releases... but not quite carrying that over from day to day...
Pema Pera: yes, and then there is this other layer of sheer magic: that we can see more and more how there is this abiding underneath and in and as all and everything *even* when we don't look and seem to have forgotten it . . . it seems like too cheap a trick, but it really works when you look at things that way . . . amazing . . .

Pema Pera: when Tilopa says "rest" he really means rest -- no need to worry about not abiding, or trying to abide, or . . .https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2010/09/2010.09.11_19%3a00_-_Abiding