The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth.

Agatha Macbeth: Good evening Wester
Wester Kiranov: hi agatha
Wester Kiranov: how are you doing?
Agatha Macbeth: Good thx, warm :)
Agatha Macbeth: Are you well?
Wester Kiranov: I'm dealing with some really bad news
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Wester Kiranov: nothing acute, but the rug has really been pulled from under me
Wester Kiranov: hi wo;
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry to hear that
Wester Kiranov: *wol
Agatha Macbeth: Which rug is this?
Wol Euler: hello aggers, wester
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Wollie ♥
Wester Kiranov: mine, or my son's actually
Agatha Macbeth: Financially speaking?
Agatha Macbeth: Or health?
Wester Kiranov: health
Agatha Macbeth: Oh no
Agatha Macbeth: That's a subject I am well aware of myself I'm afraid
Wester Kiranov: at the moment he's still happy and quite healthy, but they found there's a high probability he has a muscle disease
Agatha Macbeth: Do you want this to stay in the log?
Wester Kiranov: that's ok. thanks for asking
Wol Euler: oh wow, sorry to hear that :(
Agatha Macbeth: No worries: I can edit anything you wish
Agatha Macbeth: How old is he?
Wester Kiranov: he just turned 8
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Agatha Macbeth: OMG
Wol Euler: damn
Agatha Macbeth: I was expecting an answer like 30-ish :(
Agatha Macbeth: That's awful
Wester Kiranov: well at least now we know why he sometimes gets exhausted from walking a short distance
Agatha Macbeth nods
Agatha Macbeth: Is there any family history of this kind of illness?
--BELL--1315
Wester Kiranov: no.nobody expected anything like this, either
Agatha Macbeth: Yes I didn't expect it when I found out about my heart condition either
Wester Kiranov: when did you find out about that?
Agatha Macbeth: No history there either
Agatha Macbeth: Oh about four years ago now
Agatha Macbeth: I suddenly started to feel out of breath if I over exerted myself or climbed a hill
Agatha Macbeth: And food tasted odd too
Agatha Macbeth: That was because of a side effect of the condition which affected my kidneys
Agatha Macbeth: Water retention
Agatha Macbeth: A combination of irregular haertbeat and high blood pressure
Wester Kiranov: how does that affect your daily life now?
Agatha Macbeth: Well I have to take six different kinds of drug each day
Agatha Macbeth: But at least I got away without needing surgery
Agatha Macbeth: Which is good because I hate hospitals!
Agatha Macbeth: I guess I just live with it, no choice
Agatha Macbeth: There are many with far worse problems
Agatha Macbeth: So I'm not complaining
Agatha Macbeth blows in Wol's ear
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Ah you are there
Wol Euler: of course
Agatha Macbeth grins
Wester Kiranov: yeah, live with it. I'm pretty surprised how normal the world still is
Agatha Macbeth: Well I think everyone's definition of normal is different of course
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe 'comfortable' is a better word
Wester Kiranov: my reference point of normailty is definitely shifting
Agatha Macbeth: Not surprising
Wol Euler: "this is the new normal" is what my mother said as we put my father into a nursing home
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Wol Euler: you just have to get on with it, somehoe
Wol Euler: *somehow
Agatha Macbeth: How is he btw?
Wol Euler: calmer, he has come to peace with being there
Wol Euler: has even made some friends
Agatha Macbeth: Well that's something at least
Wester Kiranov: that's good news
Wol Euler nods.
Wol Euler: indeed
Agatha Macbeth: Your mom still feels bad about it tho?
Wol Euler: of course
Wol Euler: she tortures herself with the thought that she broke her vow and betrayed him
Wol Euler: and will do until she dies
Wester Kiranov: ow
Wol Euler: there's no rationalizing that
Wol Euler: she *knows* that it isn't true, but knowledge is not the point
--BELL--1330
Agatha Macbeth: We can all find things to blame ourselves for if we try hard enough
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: But it's far worse when others are involved
Agatha Macbeth: I can always say 'no one put me where I am today but me'
Agatha Macbeth: But to think I may have let others down is a different matter
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe it's a catholic thing :p
Wol Euler: I don't think so :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Wester Kiranov: maybe it's a human thing
Wol Euler: I think it's pretty standard equipment on humans
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: No Bert today
Wol Euler: oh?
Wol Euler: ah
Wol Euler: just arrived
Wol Euler: ah welllllllll
Agatha Macbeth: He can't do the meditation he says
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like an early night :p
Agatha Macbeth: Hope he's okay
Agatha Macbeth: How is your own health Wes?
Wester Kiranov: quite good, actually.
Agatha Macbeth: Well that's a blessing anyway
Wester Kiranov: yes
Wester Kiranov: if i believed in that kind of thing, i would think the universe was teaching me a lesson on the fragility of life
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth nods
Agatha Macbeth: Like the Sting song
Wester Kiranov: like i didn't get the message when i got meningitis two years ago
Agatha Macbeth: That can be fatal can't it?
Wester Kiranov: yes, i was lucky my husband got me to the doctor in time
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: I can't help wondering what might have happened had I not gone to the doctor when I did
--BELL--1345
Wester Kiranov: or if your doctor (or mine) hadn't made the correct diagnosis
Agatha Macbeth: Yes
Wester Kiranov: or if we had lived somewhere with less doctors
Agatha Macbeth: Absolutely
Wol Euler: my neighbour upstairs had a heart attack at home three days after coming back from the Andes. Here, it was a fairly routine matter; there, she would have died long before getting to a hospital.
Agatha Macbeth: Wasn't that where John Peel died?
Agatha Macbeth: Think it was Peru

A quick change of subject......

Agatha Macbeth: Er...a quick change of subject?
Wol Euler smiles.
Wester Kiranov: :)
Agatha Macbeth: What is copybotting exactly?
Wol Euler: stealing people#s designs by capturing the textures and prim properties of things they make
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Wol Euler: by intercepting the downloaded data before the viewer encrypts it
Agatha Macbeth: How do they do that then?
Wol Euler: I don't know the details, never cared enough to find out
Wol Euler: basically they make their own viewer which leaves out that step
Agatha Macbeth: Hm
Wester Kiranov: well, I learnd something new today :)
Agatha Macbeth: It's just that I hear the word bot used a lot in SL, but seemingly for widely differing things
Wol Euler: bot itself just means "robot"
Agatha Macbeth: Like somebody mentioned an alice bot recently
Wol Euler: i.e. an avatar in SL that is not being operated directly by a typist, like we are
Agatha Macbeth: Like Ollie you mean
Wol Euler: ollie who=
Agatha Macbeth: Is she still there btw?
Wol Euler: oh her
Agatha Macbeth: The one in Mugunghwa
Wol Euler: no, she's gone, haven'T seen her in a few months now
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Agatha Macbeth: That was most odd
Agatha Macbeth: They say there is AI which can pass that test now
Wol Euler: actually that has been debunked, it was a hoax
Agatha Macbeth: Aha
--BELL--1400
Agatha Macbeth: Thought it was too good to be true
Wester Kiranov: you mean the turing test, or what test?
Agatha Macbeth: Turing yes
Agatha Macbeth: So it wasn't real then
Wol Euler: nope
Agatha Macbeth: Facebook again probably
Wester Kiranov: i've always found that an odd kind of test anyway
Wester Kiranov: because what people notice as artificial evolves so quickly
Wol Euler: like Schrödinger's experiment, it is more something to think about than something anyone would actually do
Agatha Macbeth: Hm, yes
Wester Kiranov: oh, so i'm not supposed to actually put a brain in a vat on a trolley either?
Wol Euler chuckles.
Wol Euler: not unless it's for dinner
Wester Kiranov giggles
Agatha Macbeth: That's Igor out of a job then
Wester Kiranov: :D
Agatha Macbeth: Well it will save the villagers from having to burn down the castle yet again
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Amazing how those films always finished the same way
Wester Kiranov: if they are not hit by the trol;ley
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh
Agatha Macbeth: I mean if it was the same village every time, did they keep rebuilding the castle or what?
Agatha Macbeth: It must have burned down 20 times
Agatha Macbeth: Strange how it always seems to go warm here at 9PM
Agatha Macbeth: You'd think it would do the opposite
Agatha Macbeth: Think I need to go stand in the garden for 10 mins :P
Wol Euler: enjoy the warmth
Wol Euler: I shall move on too
Agatha Macbeth: Yeh kill some orcs
Wol Euler: Wester, I hope everything will be okay ...
Agatha Macbeth: Yes Wes, hope things go well with you
Wester Kiranov: well, see you both around then
Wester Kiranov: and everything will be as it is
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: Life eh?
Wol Euler: goodnight
Agatha Macbeth: Take care both
Wester Kiranov: goodnight

If blood will flow when flesh and steel are one
Drying in the colour of the evening sun
Tomorrow's rain will wash the stains away
But something in our minds will always stay
Perhaps this final act was meant
To clinch a lifetime's argument
That nothing comes from violence and nothing ever could
For all those born beneath an angry star
Lest we forget how fragile we are

On and on the rain will fall
Like tears from a star, like tears from a star
On and on the rain will say
How fragile we are, how fragile we are

On and on the rain will fall
Like tears from a star, like tears from a star
On and on the rain will say
How fragile we are, how fragile we are
How fragile we are, how fragile we are                       (Sting)