2017.03.30 13:00 - Security Blanket Gone Wrong?

The Guardians for this meeting were Eliza and Mick. Eliza posted this session.

This was an interesting, but not structured session, as Thursdays normally are. I mistakingly moved ahead of the group, while reading and planning, and in so doing created a bit of confusion by having in mind lines of discussion we haven't actually gotten to yet! So I apologize.

Thankfully, when re-readng while posting this session, I realized that yes, it was indeed helpful as others had said. :)

Aphrodite Macbain: Hello!
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aph! :))
Eliza Madrigal: looking for my 9 anniversary tshirt...
Aphrodite Macbain: I was trying to find mine and gave up
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, here, it is PaB-2017
Aphrodite Macbain: which one?
Eliza Madrigal: It doesn't say "9" so not easy to find for search
Eliza Madrigal: when I typed PaB it came up... all 3 that I have
Aphrodite Macbain: I have so much in my inventory. I must take a day to sort and clear it
Eliza Madrigal: me too... again :)
Eliza Madrigal: How are you doing?
Aphrodite Macbain: I have clothes from 7 years ago!
Aphrodite Macbain: Pretty well atm thanks :-) the sun is shining finally which puts a whole new light on things :)
Eliza Madrigal: what I'm wearing today is old school... these glasses, hair
Aphrodite Macbain: you look great
Eliza Madrigal: shedding light ^.^
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: I have also booked a flight to Ottawa for a 10 day visit
Eliza Madrigal: yay!
Aphrodite Macbain: to celebrate the end of my course
Aphrodite Macbain: and spring
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Eliza Madrigal: good.... gift to self

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: Hi Mick :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Mick
Mickorod Renard: HI !
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bruce :)
Aphrodite Macbain: How's your dream life?
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Bruce!
Eliza Madrigal: me?
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Aph, Eliza, Mick!
Aphrodite Macbain: No Mick
Mickorod Renard: Hi Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: Mick have a seat :)
Mickorod Renard: ah, yes I had some real deep dreams,,but I dont remember them now
Eliza Madrigal: I've been dreaming about horses
Bruce Mowbray wonders whether dreams might be primarily a right-brain phenom.
Aphrodite Macbain: uh oh
Mickorod Renard: wow nice
Aphrodite Macbain: I know what they are about....
Eliza Madrigal: maybe I have to hold my ponies
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: not too tightly - let them run
Bruce Mowbray: Let them run free. . . and see where they go.
Eliza Madrigal: in dreams they are always calm, just with me
Aphrodite Macbain: ah- not running?
Aphrodite Macbain: Hiya Aggers
Eliza Madrigal: no saddles, no movement aside from calm presence

Bruce Mowbray: Heya, aggers.
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Agatha :) How was Ari today?
Mickorod Renard: Hi Aggers
Agatha Macbeth: Evening all
Agatha Macbeth: He was amazing as always :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth: he wishes more Pabbers would come
Mickorod Renard: are you generally just holding horses nose and breathing lightly on its nostrils?
Bruce Mowbray: Where does he perform, aggers?
Agatha Macbeth: Eh?
Agatha Macbeth: Oh everywhere!
Eliza Madrigal: people say that.. but then they don't send reminders no matter how many times suggested :)

--BELL--

Agatha Macbeth: He was at Nirvana just
Eliza Madrigal: Mick, just standing there together :)
Aphrodite Macbain: He performed in my cafe in Sorrentina- he was a big hit
Bruce Mowbray: If he sent reminders and LM's then I would be sure to attend.
Agatha Macbeth: I'd imagine holding a horses's nose would be quite difficult
Mickorod Renard: Liz, ta
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eliza Madrigal: So... today I mapped out the rest of the session readings...
Bruce Mowbray nods, listens.
Eliza Madrigal: except for Maxine's visits (haven't heard from her yet but asap)
Mickorod Renard: great!
Agatha Macbeth: Woot
Aphrodite Macbain: Thank y so much Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: We tentatively end, right about the end of the year
Aphrodite Macbain: Perfect
Aphrodite Macbain: then we can start again :D
Agatha Macbeth: Like it grew there
Eliza Madrigal: it is, I was surprised... didn't section off with that in mind
Agatha Macbeth: You're even better than we thought Liz
Eliza Madrigal: however, I have basically read the whole book again today....
Eliza Madrigal: so am jumbled and overstimulated to talk about one section, haha
Mickorod Renard: crikey
Bruce Mowbray is impressed!
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Eliza Madrigal: well, not deep reading, but re-reading in order to make sensible sections

Mickorod Renard: I am lost and dont know where I am
Eliza Madrigal: would someone be able to give a basic refresh of last week?
Agatha Macbeth: If you did know you wouldn't be lost :p
Aphrodite Macbain: In life or in the book MIck?
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Agatha Macbeth loves stating the obvious
Mickorod Renard: erm, maybe both,,but in this case the book
Aphrodite Macbain: sometimes it needs staring Aggers
Eliza Madrigal: indeed

(I missed Bruce's offer here at first, thankful he picked it up again!)

Bruce Mowbray: I could try.... but I'm afraid I might sound a bit like a wet blanket.
Agatha Macbeth: Staring?
Mickorod Renard: I am using google books and am on page 51
Aphrodite Macbain: stating- I find it reassuring
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth stares at Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: stares back
Bruce Mowbray listens

Eliza Madrigal: we're just before Solms, Mick... so last week we were talking about right to right hemisphere communication,
Mickorod Renard: oh, I may have gone past then
Eliza Madrigal: and about lesions in linking areas/capacities
Mickorod Renard: ah no,,i am just up to lesions
Eliza Madrigal: that's okay... we're lingering so you may have moved ahead as though we didn't pause
Eliza Madrigal: I have been thinking of Eden's report all week long
Mickorod Renard: listens
Aphrodite Macbain: Solms: the right hemisphere and whole object relatedness
Bruce Mowbray also listens.
Aphrodite Macbain: listens to Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: Just to say that I felt like she too, gave a right to right hemisphere message, like she described in her report
Aphrodite Macbain: gave a right?
Eliza Madrigal: perhaps that is a poet's unique gift, to convey in a way that isn't explaining everything but the whole message comes across
Eliza Madrigal: impartation
Eliza Madrigal: [done]

Mickorod Renard: I think that we here in pab are right hemi people
Eliza Madrigal: that we have a right hemi way of being?
Bruce Mowbray: ??
Mickorod Renard: yes
Eliza Madrigal: I was wondering whether Being is right hemisphere and being, left
Aphrodite Macbain: I think we have both
Eliza Madrigal listens
Bruce Mowbray also listens.
Mickorod Renard: I suppose we have to be balanced..but we are more caring and discerning

Aphrodite Macbain: I thought it was both hemispheres working equally that becomes the lived experience
Aphrodite Macbain: we need both but dont always recognize the right
Bruce Mowbray: I agree, Aph... and a dynamic, organic dialogue between the two.
Bruce Mowbray: ( a la Hegel)
Aphrodite Macbain: yes- that's what she has been saying I think - a dynamic dialogue
Eliza Madrigal nods.... but perhaps we can 'lean' one way or another.... whereas most work places would lean to left as to what would be recognized
Bruce Mowbray: a "dance"
Aphrodite Macbain: holding things equally
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: we in the west do lean towards the analytic and rational
Eliza Madrigal: giving 'equal' emphasis may make us radically right hemi

Bruce Mowbray: This reminds me a lot of TSK -- the interaction between Time and Space.
Eliza Madrigal: nice association Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: would you elaborate?
Mickorod Renard: I think the balance and what you have said is quite right..I was just thinking that maybe we dwell in one or the other a little longer than otherwise
Bruce Mowbray: Well, yes, i will try.
Bruce Mowbray: On thing that greatly impressed me about TSK
Bruce Mowbray: was Stim's use of the metaphor of male and female...
Bruce Mowbray: Time being male and Space being female.
Bruce Mowbray: Time brings possibilities,
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Bruce Mowbray: and Space brings opportunities for fruition.
Mickorod Renard: ah, good metaphore Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: (It's not mine; it came from TSK.)
Agatha Macbeth grins
Eliza Madrigal: wow, don't remember contrasting possibilities and opportunities before, interesting
Mickorod Renard: no, but you remmembered it

Bruce Mowbray: Both are infinite -- - Great Time brings infinite possibilities,
Bruce Mowbray: and Great Space brings infinite "space" in which those possibilities might become realities.


--BELL--

Bruce Mowbray: But that's going a bit a-stary of the book.... Maxine's, I mean.
Bruce Mowbray: ... so back to her book.
Aphrodite Macbain: a-stary?
Eliza Madrigal: sort of, but we are also integrating our whole experience
Mickorod Renard: ah, you just made me relax Bruce..with that thought
Eliza Madrigal: and impressions
Bruce Mowbray: straying away from her book.
Bruce Mowbray: Wonderful, Mick.
Aphrodite Macbain: ah
Eliza Madrigal: so I think it fits/has place
Agatha Macbeth: Gracias
Aphrodite Macbain: tx

Eliza Madrigal: Perhaps the note I just gave you might as well... although it may have jumped out at me more due to perusing the whole WoLE book again
Eliza Madrigal: considering our grand PaB exploration
Agatha Macbeth: Holy jumping WoLE Batman
Bruce Mowbray: WoLE = Wisdom of Lived Experience.
Aphrodite Macbain: lol
Eliza Madrigal laughs
Bruce Mowbray: (not a book by Wol.)
Eliza Madrigal: :) indeed not
Agatha Macbeth: Orc slaying in easy steps
Eliza Madrigal: ^.^

Eliza Madrigal: I haven't asked for reports yet, forgive me but I was wondering if others would arrive....
Eliza Madrigal: Does someone have a report to share?

Bruce Mowbray: Will someone say something about "lesions" - viz a viz WoLE?
Bruce Mowbray: I don't remember reading about that.
Eliza Madrigal: Oh, sure... it has to do with the areas of the brain affected by the lesions and how that impairment shows up....
Eliza Madrigal: let me run for my ipad/book
Bruce Mowbray: kk, thanks.
Agatha Macbeth: We're timing you
Aphrodite Macbain: lesions?
Bruce Mowbray: Is there a numbered section of the Kindle version that deals with that?
Aphrodite Macbain: I dont recognisze it either

Aphrodite Macbain: I do know that we learn a lot from people whose brain has been damaged by lesions as we see what has changed
Mickorod Renard: A lesion is like damaged area or part of an organ that has had trauma
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, but was this in the section for today's reading?
Aphrodite Macbain: we are able to pin point areas of the brain that have a particular function
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, but not in this section, unless I missed it.
Aphrodite Macbain: I dont think so Bruce
Eliza Madrigal: 664 ish
Eliza Madrigal: (since it shows up differently depending on device)

Aphrodite Macbain: ah that is ahead of where we are supposed to be no?
Bruce Mowbray: That's into Solms.
Eliza Madrigal: is it?
Eliza Madrigal hangs head
Aphrodite Macbain: You are ahead of us Eliza!!
Bruce Mowbray: I didn't think we were supposed to read that far for today.
Mickorod Renard: I read up and slightly touched into it
Eliza Madrigal: I'm all over the road from everyone else!
Aphrodite Macbain: no- we are dealing with the same section as last week

Eliza Madrigal: Okay... here on 641...
Eliza Madrigal: she is writing about how injuries to the right frontal area are particularly upsetting...
Aphrodite Macbain: hmm cant find it
Eliza Madrigal: because they can't modulate in the way needed...
Aphrodite Macbain: ah did she use the word lesions?
Mickorod Renard: yes
Eliza Madrigal: but now I realize my whole report last week included the beginning of the Solms section
Bruce Mowbray: kk: Todd Feinberg.
Eliza Madrigal: It is hard to read ahead for the sake of planning, but 'forget' what you've read for the sake of being on the same page
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: :)

Bruce Mowbray: I don't think Maxine has mentioned "lesions yet, but Feinberg does discuss "disequilibrium" caused by damage to the frontal damage....
Eliza Madrigal: what jumped out at me is that damage to certain areas is harder to manage than damage to other areas, ie collapsed space
Aphrodite Macbain: boundaries of self
Eliza Madrigal nods

Bruce's Wet Blanket

Bruce Mowbray: May I share my "wet blanket"? I thought the entire section was talking about events in very early childhood.
Bruce Mowbray: before 18 months of age.
Aphrodite Macbain: Interesting discussion about our capacities for dealing with negative arousal. ie maintaining equilibrium can be affected by damage to the frontal cortex
Bruce Mowbray: and in the infant, an unconscious development of right-brain functions.
Bruce Mowbray: So, I was really surprised by Eden's offerings last time.
Bruce Mowbray: She was relating events that she had experienced as an adult....
Bruce Mowbray: so I was confused.
Bruce Mowbray: See why I'm calling it a "wet blanket"? -- NOT Eden, but my own report?
Eliza Madrigal: not a wet blanket, rather exactly why this group of us is interesting
 

Aphrodite Macbain: a security blanket gone wrong?
Bruce Mowbray agrees, we're definitely an interesting group.
Bruce Mowbray: YES, Aph! You've got it!
Bruce Mowbray: but WAYYYY before Winnicott in infant development.
Bruce Mowbray: The security blanket - transitional object - comes much later.
Mickorod Renard: although sometimes I think we are all still developing children, when it comes to the mind//like we discussed maturity too
Eliza Madrigal: mature object love
Bruce Mowbray: Surely so, Mick.
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Aphrodite Macbain wonders whether she has had damage to her right frontal cortex as a child as she has such a hard time bearing negative arousal
Bruce Mowbray: Me too, Aph.
Eliza Madrigal: what I'm hearing in the reading is that even the capacity to be self-aware and allow for growth implies not 'too damaged'

Aphrodite Macbain: listens to Mick
Bruce Mowbray also listens.
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Mickorod Renard: no, I havnt got anything to say..he he
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Eliza Madrigal: :)

Bruce Mowbray: The notion of prolonged "infancy" is fascinating..
Aphrodite Macbain: (rule #1: don't drop the baby on its head
Mickorod Renard: I was wondering where infancy stops yes?
Bruce Mowbray: Excellent point, Mick.
Agatha Macbeth: Never with some of us
Bruce Mowbray: The right brain does NOT cease its development, either.
Aphrodite Macbain: I thought it was when we developed our ego and recognized we were in separate worlds from others
Mickorod Renard: but for sure, the foundation is laid by mother?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes a good mother
Eliza Madrigal: my impression too Aph
Eliza Madrigal: when able to conceive of an 'other' and 'self' at same time?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Bruce Mowbray: In fact, WoLE seems to suggest that "lived experience" (a la Lucretius, perhaps) continues to make right-brain connections.
Aphrodite Macbain: otherwise we rest as narcissists
Mickorod Renard: ahhh,,interesting point
Aphrodite Macbain: not fully mature

Agatha Macbeth: Even narcissists need rest Aph
Eliza Madrigal: one thing I hadn't pondered before these readings is that narcissism is very pitiable, must be very painful in a way....
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: zzzzzzz
Eliza Madrigal: the disorder I mean, if stunted at that default
Bruce Mowbray: Narcissism is horribly lonely and painful.
Aphrodite Macbain: There is only you in the world
Bruce Mowbray: Right, Aph.
Mickorod Renard: hang on,,maybe thats it,,if the development is flawed at infancy,,then the development doesnt progress?
Aphrodite Macbain: How boring
Bruce Mowbray: and if everything in the world does not revolve around you, then that can become a painful crisis.
Aphrodite Macbain: It progresses in a different direction i guess
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Mick...
Bruce Mowbray: by Jove, I think you've Got it!
Mickorod Renard: he he
Mickorod Renard: at last
Bruce Mowbray: 
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bruce Mowbray: 
Aphrodite Macbain: claps
Mickorod Renard:takes a bow
Agatha Macbeth takes an arrow
Aphrodite Macbain: giggles

Eliza Madrigal: somehow, at least in my non professional experience, I've known adults who seemed more open and then reverted
Eliza Madrigal: due to a shock or just trauma of aging
Aphrodite Macbain: you have a hyperactive left brain Aggers- it makes the best puns
Agatha Macbeth: Hyperactive something...
Aphrodite Macbain: intersting Eliza
Bruce Mowbray: My hyperactive left brain is responsible for my insomnia....
Aphrodite Macbain: can u say more? How did they change?
Bruce Mowbray: (which almost never bothers me anymore...)
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Aphrodite Macbain: Eliza
Bruce Mowbray listens for more from Eliza.
Eliza Madrigal: the brain or insomnia, Bruce? :))
Agatha Macbeth: Erk
Bruce Mowbray: The left brain CAUSES the insomnia.
Bruce Mowbray: (or used to)
Aphrodite Macbain: more open and then reverted
Eliza Madrigal: :) that's no easy feat, getting over that

Eliza Madrigal: I've talked a little about my mother... but to say more...
Eliza Madrigal: she is now much smaller than she was, when I was growing up
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Agatha Macbeth: Don't dolphins' brain sides sleep in shifts, so they won't drown?
Eliza Madrigal: she had a very significant breakdown during my teen years
Aphrodite Macbain: :(
Eliza Madrigal: and from then on became different
(or maybe I didn't know until then)
Aphrodite Macbain: Interesting
Aphrodite Macbain: what kind of trauma did she have?
Eliza Madrigal: I think the breakdown itself was a result of not having tools to face herself/her life
Eliza Madrigal: but from then, when she recovered, she became very rigid
Eliza Madrigal: judgmental, etc
Eliza Madrigal: angry
Bruce Mowbray nods, understands.
Eliza Madrigal: so instead of opening, breaking through, she became afraid
Mickorod Renard: some traumas can show themselves physically and not mentally too
Aphrodite Macbain: a sort of defensive mechanism?
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Aphrodite Macbain: Must have been hard on you Eliza
Bruce Mowbray: A toolbox for life is so important to have. . . .

--BELL--


Aphrodite Macbain: I keep rebuilding mine
Bruce Mowbray: (I regard Buddhism to be such a toolbox.)
Mickorod Renard: I can relate a little to that Eliza..of that of your mum
Bruce Mowbray listens for more from Mick.
Eliza Madrigal: a moment of choice, Mick?
Eliza Madrigal: it does seem 'physical'... like, maybe there wasn't enough energy to break through
Eliza Madrigal: due to young traumas

Mickorod Renard: yes, but also maybe , of a trust broken in life and not wishing that to happen again
Eliza Madrigal: so becoming what seems safe?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Bruce Mowbray: powerful stuff. . .
Mickorod Renard: yes, a wall
Eliza Madrigal: but, the narcissism part is that the enemy then is 'out there'
Aphrodite Macbain: nods
Bruce Mowbray: "I'm OK, you're not OK" (narcissism)
Agatha Macbeth: Bleuji :))
Mickorod Renard: yes, but I suppose its which side your looking from

Bleu Oleander: slips in to try to catch up :)
Aphrodite Macbain: waves at Bleu
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Bleu :)
Mickorod Renard: Hi Bleu
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Bruce Mowbray: Good luck with that, Bleu.
Eliza Madrigal: hahahah
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Eliza Madrigal: pretty impossible today
Bleu Oleander: lol
Aphrodite Macbain: We have been running through miles of information
Bleu Oleander: I'm sure!

Aphrodite Macbain: How's the new addition to the family?
Bruce Mowbray: ??
Aphrodite Macbain: the new dog
Agatha Macbeth: Woof
Bruce Mowbray: Woof woof.
Bleu Oleander: don't mean to interrupt, but new addition, border collie, doing great
Eliza Madrigal: Bleu has a new precious pup
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: GREAT!!!
Agatha Macbeth: It's a dog's life
Mickorod Renard: :)
Bleu Oleander: taking over a bit :)
Eliza Madrigal: I feel as happy for you as if I'd taken another, lol
Bleu Oleander: awww ty!
Aphrodite Macbain: we want pictures
Bleu Oleander: under my desk as we speak :)
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Eliza Madrigal: her spot :)
Bleu Oleander: yep
Bleu Oleander: they're very smart those BC's

Aphrodite Macbain: I wonder whether dogs have only left or right brains
Bruce Mowbray: My right brain wants to have another dog, but my left brain says, "DO NOT TAKE ON ANOTHER RESPONSIBILITY! You have your hands full with yourself!"
Mickorod Renard: gosh very
Eliza Madrigal: :) like Mick last week, saying "I'm already a full time job"
Aphrodite Macbain: It would take a left brain to round up them sheep
Bruce Mowbray: me too, Mick.
Mickorod Renard: he he
Bleu Oleander: there's a good argument for listening to your left brain LOL
Bruce Mowbray: Yep.

Eliza Madrigal: what is scary about these conversations re narcissism and infant injury, etc.... is that one is not quite sure they'd know if they were stunted
Bruce Mowbray wishes he could get a really good robot dog... but AI has not progressed that far yet.
Aphrodite Macbain: cigarettes stunt your growth
Aphrodite Macbain: I remember that phrase when I was growing up
Eliza Madrigal: and coffee
Agatha Macbeth: Nice Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: I never knew what stunt meant
Bruce Mowbray: Its a bit like not knowing whether you're oxygen-deprived or not, I mean, how would you know?
Mickorod Renard: that's a great point Eliza,,someone must have a model or whatever its called
Bleu Oleander: now coffee seems "good for you" :)
Aphrodite Macbain: yes!
Agatha Macbeth: Tell Liz that
Aphrodite Macbain: like chocolate
Bleu Oleander: yeah
Eliza Madrigal: :) I'm having coffee again... but only once a day
Bleu Oleander: :)
Aphrodite Macbain: in the morning?
Agatha Macbeth wags a finger
Eliza Madrigal: afternoons
Eliza Madrigal: it feels balanced

Mickorod Renard: I was just thinking about myself: I always thought my openness to possibilities was just my slow processing ability, but it could be that I am well balanced
Bruce Mowbray: Me too, Liz, but and extra large "one a day."
Aphrodite Macbain: Life wouldn't be worth living w/o coffee
Bruce Mowbray agrees with APh.... almost.
Eliza Madrigal: safe enough to be curious, Mick... that is what I would tend to think
Aphrodite Macbain: Bleu transformed herself
Bleu Oleander: :)
Bruce Mowbray relates to what Mick just said....
Aphrodite Macbain: I should get back to marking papers...
Bruce Mowbray: I sometimes call myself "naive".... when actually I'm being non-judgmental.

Eliza Madrigal: bye Aph :)
Bruce Mowbray: bye for now, Aph.
Aphrodite Macbain: byee
Bleu Oleander: bye Aph
Mickorod Renard: bye Aph...and well said Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: ty.
Bruce Mowbray checks watch and realizes it's time for him to be a-scraping up supper.
Eliza Madrigal considers
Eliza Madrigal: :) sorry such a scattered session... I got ahead of us all
Mickorod Renard: be well Bruce
Bleu Oleander: bye Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Thank you all. This was a FINE session.
Eliza Madrigal: I've been juggling too many little things and am running out of bandwidth :)
Bruce Mowbray: Have a fine weekend, everyone.
Eliza Madrigal: you too Bruce!

Mickorod Renard: Eliza, I think it was a great session, we ironed some stuff out
Bleu Oleander: U 2
Eliza Madrigal: you think so?
Agatha Macbeth: Yay
Bleu Oleander: looking forward to reading the log :)
Mickorod Renard: yes, I am certain
Bleu Oleander: any big points you can share?
Agatha Macbeth: You may need to read it more than once
Bleu Oleander: ha!
Mickorod Renard: btw, did you send me a notecard? Eliza
Agatha Macbeth: Nothing new eh
Eliza Madrigal sighs and hangs head, but thankful everyone catches when the balls fall
Agatha Macbeth: 0.0
Eliza Madrigal: I did Mick, it was about absolute/relative....
Eliza Madrigal: an old email from Pema that was in the Chronicles

Email referenced can be found here: Chapter 15: Holding the Page

Mickorod Renard: I read it but was unsure how it fitted

Bleu Oleander: just ran into Pema in Princeton!
Mickorod Renard: yes?
Agatha Macbeth: Hope it didn't hurt
Eliza Madrigal: did you get to attend a Y House event?

--BELL--

Bleu Oleander: no, but heard all about it
Eliza Madrigal would like a full report about Kandel
Eliza Madrigal: :)
Bleu Oleander: soon, yes
Agatha Macbeth: Osiyo K
Eliza Madrigal: Hi Kori :)

Eliza Madrigal: the notecard Mick....
Agatha Macbeth: On time as always :p
Mickorod Renard: Hi Kori
Korel Laloix: heya
Korel Laloix: lol
Eliza Madrigal: when I was reading, but admittedly reading ahead....
Bleu Oleander: hi Kori
Mickorod Renard: yes Eliza
Eliza Madrigal: I was thinking about how, among the other parallels/metaphors of left and right hemispheres....
Eliza Madrigal: Being/being, Absolute/relative - also fit
Eliza Madrigal: so sort of tying it in with what we've been working with in paB all these years
Mickorod Renard: ah I see,,in fact I saw that in it
Eliza Madrigal: when we say Being seeing... it is like letting the expansive Self act through the self
Eliza Madrigal: something like that
Mickorod Renard: that like absolute could be the openness of being?
Eliza Madrigal nods
Eliza Madrigal: at least that was the picture that seemed to fit for me...don't think I'm stretching it to fit
Eliza Madrigal: so was curious others' sensibilities

Eliza Madrigal: often the barriers we may have to something is in an association from past, ie aversion to mysticism, or something else
Mickorod Renard: I am about to crash
Eliza Madrigal: so that can prevent a connection or parallel from being seen
Eliza Madrigal: and I'm rambling... again :)
Agatha Macbeth hands Mick a crash barrier
Eliza Madrigal: aversion or attachment to, I should say
Bleu Oleander: all of our past memories and experiences can both add to and prevent certain kinds of seeing I think
Eliza Madrigal: so one is more likely to hear the same idea but from diff contexts
Eliza Madrigal: yes
Mickorod Renard: yes, a nice thought Eliza..its amazing how Pema can bring someone home
Eliza Madrigal: nice phrasing Mick
Mickorod Renard: well, I had best get going
Mickorod Renard: but I enjoyed the session greatly, thanks
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Eliza Madrigal: me too....
Bleu Oleander: bye Mick
Eliza Madrigal: thanks very much Mick
Agatha Macbeth grins

Eliza Madrigal: would you host on Monday btw?
Eliza Madrigal: I will be here but have an appointment so may be a little late
Agatha Macbeth: Love to Rupert
Mickorod Renard: hold on,,check I am here monday
Eliza Madrigal: okay
Mickorod Renard: yay, Rupert
Eliza Madrigal smiles
Agatha Macbeth: Wupert
Agatha Macbeth: I can do the log anyway
Mickorod Renard: yes, i should be here Monday
Eliza Madrigal: thanks Agatha
Eliza Madrigal: and great, Mick
Eliza Madrigal: so we're good :)
Mickorod Renard: great Ags, cos I am useless at that
Agatha Macbeth: We are!
Agatha Macbeth: We are great
Mickorod Renard: yippeee
Eliza Madrigal: I really want to hear about what is happening with you Kori....
Agatha Macbeth: And modest too
Mickorod Renard: ok bye everyone..
Eliza Madrigal: hope to cross paths again soon
Korel Laloix: Well... lots... smiles
Eliza Madrigal: hugs to doggie, Bleu
Bleu Oleander: bye all ... looking forward to catching up
Korel Laloix: Ciao
Bleu Oleander: thanks hugs!
Agatha Macbeth: TC
Eliza Madrigal: tc <3