Start with Being

Pema Pera: PaB's mission, in some sense, is to make the abstract concrete
Eliza Madrigal: : ) to unspiritualize?
Pema Pera: to offer a handle on what sounds abstract but is actually the ground of our ground
Pema Pera: to lift the distinction between spiritual and unspiritual
Pema Pera: so either nothing is especially spiritual or everything is :-)
Eliza Madrigal: I think that's where the breath comes in
Eliza Madrigal: Pila was saying once that it sort of...(trying to remember his phrasing) is a physical activity for that reason
Pema Pera: we all have the tendency to look for a key, for a secret, for a special place to find the solution . . . . but Being is staring us in the face, already, always
Pema Pera: in everything thing we do, every person we meet
Pema Pera: each moment . . . .
Pema Pera: and our physical existence is part of it, each breath
Pema Pera: each thought
Pema Pera: is holy -- and is ordinary

Pema Pera: both

Eliza Madrigal: So, with the topic, when you are speaking of hypothesis...the hypothesis is that you can start from Being?
Pema Pera: yes: hypothesis in the sense that you try it out, you work with it, to see where it leads you

Pema Pera: if you have a burning question, and a hypothesis that seems to give you a good chance to solve the problem
Pema Pera: well, then you really throw yourself into testing the hypothesis in trying it out
Pema Pera: that is the approach of science
Pema Pera: and I think of any practical, experienced form of spirituality as well
Pema Pera: I've always been surprised at the way in which so many scientists are anti-spiritual
Pema Pera: and so many spiritual types anti-science
Pema Pera: since for me it feels so very similar
Pema Pera: "working with a working hypothesis"
Pema Pera: in a truly dedicated way
Pema Pera: in wonder
Pema Pera: letting reality show itself
Pema Pera: more clearly
Pema Pera: and having fun while working on that :-)
https://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2009/04/2009.04.13_07%3a00_-_Is_Holy_and_Ordinary%2c_Both