2010.08.25 19:00 - Symmetry and so much more

The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

A long session that continued after I retired for the evening

stevenaia Michinaga: hi Pila
--BELL--
Pila Mulligan: hi Steve and adoro
adoro Rhapsody: hi pila
adoro Rhapsody: i couldn t sleep
adoro Rhapsody: so i went to pab
stevenaia Michinaga: :) I do that as well
Pila Mulligan: what time is it there adoro?
adoro Rhapsody: its 4.02 am here
Pila Mulligan: aha, and 4:00 pm here :)
adoro Rhapsody: and with u ? pila?
adoro Rhapsody: ok
Pila Mulligan: hi Bruce
adoro Rhapsody: hi bruce
Pila Mulligan: opposite sides of the planet
adoro Rhapsody: ok
adoro Rhapsody: the world is round
Pila Mulligan: kind of
adoro Rhapsody: there is no east or west
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, adoro and Pila
Bruce Mowbray: and steve.
Pila Mulligan: but gravity is not a conforming sphere it seems
adoro Rhapsody: sure
stevenaia Michinaga: yes, I usually get up around 4:00 am for no reason and arrive here as well for the 1:00 am session
adoro Rhapsody: ok i see
adoro Rhapsody: and it s not unhealthy ?
adoro Rhapsody: for your bioritm ?
Pila Mulligan: 4:00 am is the best time to meditate, some say
adoro Rhapsody: i formar monasteries they did so too
adoro Rhapsody: former
stevenaia Michinaga: seems I am actually very talkative at 4:00 sometimes
stevenaia Michinaga: (am)
adoro Rhapsody: me too thinkative
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
stevenaia Michinaga: does anyone but be see Bruce as only a cloud?
Pila Mulligan: Bruce has rezzed in my view
adoro Rhapsody: no i see him in red shirt
Bruce Mowbray: Oh dear - am I vaporized again>.....
stevenaia Michinaga: just for me, Bruce
adoro Rhapsody: bruce as a cloud service
Bruce Mowbray: Do you want me to leave and come back, steve?
Pila Mulligan: :)
Bruce Mowbray: I'll do that if you wish.
stevenaia Michinaga: no, It;s probably me
Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....
stevenaia Michinaga: that fixed it, what did you do other than laugh very hard
Bruce Mowbray: That sometimes helps.
stevenaia Michinaga: :)
stevenaia Michinaga: I bet it always helps
adoro Rhapsody: it lightens up a bit
Pila Mulligan: hi Ewan
Bruce Mowbray: Sometime if one animates his avi, that helps it to break out of the cloud.
adoro Rhapsody: laughing is healthy
Bruce Mowbray: So, what's the topic tonight guys?
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Ewan
adoro Rhapsody: hi ewan
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Ewan.
Ewan Bonham: Hi folks!
stevenaia Michinaga: ....... looks in topic pocket
stevenaia Michinaga: your choice
adoro Rhapsody: i could not sleep because discussion about symmetry
adoro Rhapsody: last session
Pila Mulligan: what part keep you going adoro?
stevenaia Michinaga: what kind of symmetry?
Bruce Mowbray: Well. . . that discussion was a bit a-symmetrical, didn't you think?
adoro Rhapsody: the called symmetry as sign of death
Pila Mulligan: hmm, never heard that one
adoro Rhapsody: but i think its sign of life
Bruce Mowbray: ?
Bruce Mowbray: absolutely a sign of life!
adoro Rhapsody: sure
adoro Rhapsody: but symmetry seemed a boring stat
Bruce Mowbray: How many biological species can you think of that are NOT symmetrical?
adoro Rhapsody: stat
adoro Rhapsody: state
Bruce Mowbray: boring? How so?
adoro Rhapsody: its too artificial to be true
stevenaia Michinaga: jellyfish?
Bruce Mowbray: radial symmetry with the jellyfish.
Pila Mulligan: isn't symmetry a balanced pattern?
stevenaia Michinaga: (I got stung by one this summer)
Bruce Mowbray: and the starfish.
adoro Rhapsody: yes
adoro Rhapsody: but u have dynamic ballance
adoro Rhapsody: and static balance
Bruce Mowbray: go on, adoro -- I'm interested in this.
adoro Rhapsody: or stabile equilibrium
adoro Rhapsody: and unstable equilibrium
adoro Rhapsody: stabil is a ball in a valley
adoro Rhapsody: unstable is a ball on a hill
adoro Rhapsody: both seem to b balance
Ewan Bonham: I like that Ador..:)
adoro Rhapsody: but the one is sustainable
adoro Rhapsody: and the other is not
--BELL--
adoro Rhapsody: so sustainable balance is healthy
adoro Rhapsody: and unstable balance is not healthy
stevenaia Michinaga: 90 seconds of symmetry thinking
Bruce Mowbray: Mmmmm..... so, are you saying that there is "symmetry" with dynamic balance, as well as with form?
stevenaia Michinaga: although people are symmetrical, out internal organs are not, nor is where we think in our brains, what;s up with that?
adoro Rhapsody: its the same as "rest rust" and "rest heals"
adoro Rhapsody: when u r ill its said take some rest
adoro Rhapsody: it heals u
Ewan Bonham: A system has internal balance...much of it is beyond the physical.
adoro Rhapsody: when u r normal not ill the say rest rust
adoro Rhapsody: they say
adoro Rhapsody: still standing is going backwards
Bruce Mowbray: Hey, Pila -- This is beginning to remind me of Yin/Yang and the balance of Tao.
adoro Rhapsody: sure
Pila Mulligan: :)
adoro Rhapsody: ying yang is also symmetry
Bruce Mowbray: Pila is an expert on such things.
stevenaia Michinaga: there is a balance in that, isn't there
Pila Mulligan: complementary balance, yes
adoro Rhapsody: and its also with communication and power
stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps it's that way on an atomic level and just percolates through everything
adoro Rhapsody: communicating vessels
adoro Rhapsody: strive to symmetry in power
adoro Rhapsody: byt when u are one-directional communicating
Pila Mulligan: have you heard of quantum entanglement?
adoro Rhapsody: u thing symmetry is a loss of power
adoro Rhapsody: u think
Pila Mulligan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
adoro Rhapsody: that what i wanted to say to u brothers and sister
adoro Rhapsody: no i can go to sleep again
Pila Mulligan: an "interconnection [that] leads to non-classical correlations between observable physical properties of remote systems, often referred to as nonlocal correlations"
adoro Rhapsody: now
adoro Rhapsody: thats interesting
Bruce Mowbray: OK -- Well, thanks for sharing with us, adoro. I know that it is late where you are.
Pila Mulligan: bi-directional instant communicating
adoro Rhapsody: in the concept of working anywhere any time any place
Pila Mulligan: bi-directional
Pila Mulligan: bye adoro
stevenaia Michinaga: bye Adoro
Bruce Mowbray: [easier to get everyone in the viewer if I sit over here]
Ewan Bonham: bye adoro..
Bruce Mowbray: ;-)
stevenaia Michinaga: easier to see w/o the fountain
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: I hope adoro sufficiently exhausted his inability to sleep :)
stevenaia Michinaga: you would think that with everything so symmetrical, the internal organ would be too, like the kidneys, why not two of everything
Pila Mulligan: are kidneys not symmetrical?
stevenaia Michinaga: one on each side
Ewan Bonham: Is the soul symmetrical?
Pila Mulligan: ah, i see -- so the liver is the anomaly
Bruce Mowbray: steve is saying that the kidneys are n example of symmetry - like the lungs, eyes, etc. But why not ALL internal organs being symmetrical?
Pila Mulligan: yes, thanks Bruce :)
Pila Mulligan: nice idea Ewan :)
Bruce Mowbray: liver, spleen, etc.
Bruce Mowbray: evolution has a way of getting what it needs - and where it needs it.
Pila Mulligan: the classical idea of a soul probably tries to be symmetrical with the physical body, if it can
Pila Mulligan: if it can, then we probably benefit from the proximity
Bruce Mowbray: wow -- really interesting point, Pila.
Bruce Mowbray: by symmetrical with the body, you don't mean congruent with the body, do you?
Pila Mulligan: probably not
Bruce Mowbray: not same size and shape?
Pila Mulligan: but we are considering a pretty abstract idea :)
Bruce Mowbray: I was thinking of symbols for the "soul" -- Like mandalas.
Bruce Mowbray: being symmetrical.
Ewan Bonham: I think it is beyond the physical..
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.google.com/images?hl=&q=m...w=1152&bih=649
stevenaia Michinaga: or Being, non-form symmetry
Ewan Bonham: I think balance in the soul has to do with harmony with our inner guide..
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: "Pneuma (πνεύμα) is an ancient Greek word for 'breath,' and in a religious context for 'spirit' or 'soul.'" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneuma
stevenaia Michinaga: does it ever speak to what "form" those take?
Pila Mulligan: that term suggests balance in the soul may result to breathing
stevenaia Michinaga: or like Bruce's appearance as a cloud to me earlier
Pila Mulligan: relate* (not result)
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: well, the inner guide idea Ewan mentioned is not uncommon as a form Steve
Pila Mulligan: guide*
Bruce Mowbray: so. . . if I am understanding Ewan right, a spiritual method would be employed to re=establish balance?
Pila Mulligan: and Bruce the Sri Yantra mandala is often associated with the heart
Pila Mulligan: balance is indeed a common aspect of spirituality
Ewan Bonham: Yes, mandalas..
Pila Mulligan: letting the heart follow the inner guide
Pila Mulligan: hi Calvino
Bruce Mowbray: and trusting that the inner guide is balanced in itself?
stevenaia Michinaga: hello Calvino
Bruce Mowbray: hey, Calvino.
Calvino Rabeni: Hi, everyone :)
Pila Mulligan: would you like a notecard of the chat so far Cal?
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, thanks
Ewan Bonham: Hi Cal..
Calvino Rabeni: Good eve, Ewan
Pila Mulligan: touching on symmetry and the soul recently
Pila Mulligan: and breathing is certainly a method employed to establish balance
Pila Mulligan: as well as yoga like activity and contemplation
Ewan Bonham: As well as some types of singing..:)
Pila Mulligan: yes :)
Pila Mulligan: and chanting :)
stevenaia Michinaga: chanting
stevenaia Michinaga: oops
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: I tend to include singing and chanting in that sense under the umbrella of the term contemplation
Pila Mulligan: similar in effect
Ewan Bonham: Yes, feels like you are joined with all the other souls...:)
Bruce Mowbray: resonance.
stevenaia Michinaga: it's all about breathing
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: and sharing breath :)
stevenaia Michinaga: sharing the air, the sound, the vibrations
Pila Mulligan: alo = share ha = breath alo+ha = aloha
Ewan Bonham: Yes...
Bruce Mowbray: wow -- I didn't know that -- THANKS, Pila!
Pila Mulligan: :)
Ewan Bonham: TY Pila..
Pila Mulligan: it is debated by some scholars technically, but a commonly understood etymology
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: When I am feeling imbalanced - I sometimes "share being" with something that I feel is balanced.
Calvino Rabeni: That's a good skill
Pila Mulligan: seeking gestalt
Pila Mulligan: wiki: gestalt is "A collection of physical, biological, psychological or symbolic entities that creates a unified concept, configuration or pattern which is greater than the sum of its parts"
Ewan Bonham: Could actually open things up to a group of 'friends'...:)
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: and lead to singing :)
Ewan Bonham: Yes..
stevenaia Michinaga: kum ba ya
Pila Mulligan: and dancing
Calvino Rabeni: which means "come by here"
Ewan Bonham: ã‹¡
Bruce Mowbray: Have you folks seen the videos of metronomes synchronizing with each other?
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1TMZASCR-I
Ewan Bonham: I will view them..
Calvino Rabeni: I think that's called "entrainment" ?
Bruce Mowbray: This is a bit like what I meant when I said I tried to "share being" with something already in balance.
Bruce Mowbray: There's something scary about that -- but also something reassuring.
Pila Mulligan: cool .. they are dancing :)
Ewan Bonham: Yes...almost like beings , by their own energy, assist in others well being...towards balance..
Calvino Rabeni: This might lead you to choose your environment and friends with some care
Bruce Mowbray: It is said that if any group of persons begins singing "Amazing Grace," they will very quickly find the same key, rhythm, and harmonies.
Bruce Mowbray: No leader needed.
Ewan Bonham: Yes...same with mantras in a group..
Calvino Rabeni: If it is a group of wolves or coyotes, they find their own differentiation
Pila Mulligan: birds seem to do that too
Bruce Mowbray: I wonder if plants have a similar in-tunement...
Pila Mulligan: some plants probably do, especially in relation to light
Ewan Bonham: Our sound vibrations...such as voice..
Ewan Bonham: Or the hearts of folks around the plants..
Pila Mulligan: and some say plants respond to music
Bruce Mowbray: so. . . . a symmetrical garden might be harmonious on several levels at once -- both physically and vibrationally.
Bruce Mowbray: physically.
Ewan Bonham: Yes, Bruce...and that goes both ways...
--BELL--
Bruce Mowbray: I must be off to bed now. Thanks to all of you.
stevenaia Michinaga: I do too
stevenaia Michinaga: thank you all for coming
Pila Mulligan: bye Bruce and Steve
Bruce Mowbray: Good night!
Pila Mulligan: nice to see you
Ewan Bonham: Bye Bruce
Calvino Rabeni: :) Good night
Pila Mulligan: maybe Steve will see this in the log, I wanted to mention (for his architect side) Vedic Architecture in the same sense as the balanced garden
Pila Mulligan: harmonious on several levels
Pila Mulligan: Ewan do you have a regular meditation practice, or similar activity
Ewan Bonham: I meditate daily...use both mindfulness and biofeedback...
Pila Mulligan: nice
Pila Mulligan: is it a Buddhist practice?
Pila Mulligan: not to pry :)
Pila Mulligan: mindfulness?
Ewan Bonham: Yes, it is based on Buddhist practice...kinda westernized..
Pila Mulligan: after asking I looked at your profile :)
Ewan Bonham: Like concentrating on both breath and focused attention..:)
Pila Mulligan: www.PeacemakerInstitute.org nice :)
Ewan Bonham: Yes...
Ewan Bonham: I like to do the tai chi here..
Pila Mulligan: that is part of my practice, Cal's too
Pila Mulligan: tai chi
Pila Mulligan: very helpful
Ewan Bonham: neat...
Ewan Bonham: You can do it on sl...and it has a very calming effect..
Pila Mulligan: hi Lcinda
Pila Mulligan: yes, it does Ewan
Lucinda Lavender: Hi all!
Ewan Bonham: Hi Luci..
Calvino Rabeni: Good evening, Cinda
Lucinda Lavender: a nice evening
Lucinda Lavender: what is it that you can do in SL that has a calming effect?
Lucinda Lavender: just curious...
Ewan Bonham: I do the tai chi..:)
Lucinda Lavender: ah
Pila Mulligan: the scripted animation
Lucinda Lavender: yes
Pila Mulligan: there are some pretty accurate scripts too
Calvino Rabeni: What does that mean, to do it in SL?
Pila Mulligan: or whatever they are called :)
Pila Mulligan: to watch it :)
Pila Mulligan: with a kind of vicarious involvement perhaps
Lucinda Lavender: nodding
Ewan Bonham: Yes...
Calvino Rabeni: I see, doesn't that split you?
Pila Mulligan: well, if you identify with the avi too much it may be confusing
--BELL--
Lucinda Lavender: perhaps so...
Pila Mulligan: but there also may be a kind of sympathetic affect
Lucinda Lavender: I can see that too...
Ewan Bonham: Yes...
Calvino Rabeni: My understanding of tai chi is to do it completely, so I have a hard time understanding the concept of watching a picture of something doing it
Pila Mulligan: :)
Calvino Rabeni: and not fully participating
Pila Mulligan: true .. for a practitioner
Calvino Rabeni: that is, all the muscles and neural pathways that are not involved
Calvino Rabeni: they are doing something else - you're multitasking
Pila Mulligan: but one of the first things that really touched me in SL was meeting some folks at a Quaker Sim and talking with a paraplegic woman whose joy with 'dancing with her husband' in SL was so obvious
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, that's like dream dancing - kind of sweet
Pila Mulligan: she was only doing it vicariously but she felt wonderful
Lucinda Lavender: and the stirring of dopamine?
Pila Mulligan: most likely :)
Calvino Rabeni: there might be a kind of tai chi driving in the car
Pila Mulligan: so for those who can, full involvement with tai chi or similar exercise is certainly best
Lucinda Lavender: today I meditated in the thai restaurant while waiting for food to be brought out:)
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, the largest possible wholeness
Lucinda Lavender: or maybe it was almost sleeping:)
Calvino Rabeni: :)
Pila Mulligan: the local thai restaurant here is a also a meditative kind of place Lucinda
Calvino Rabeni: Did you assimilate the restaurant?
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I was in a lively one yesterday
Calvino Rabeni: I like the smaller, funky places
Lucinda Lavender: maybe so...
Pila Mulligan: lots of images and icons decorating it
Calvino Rabeni: because they have more coherent life movement
Lucinda Lavender: yes...
Pila Mulligan: more yin :)
Calvino Rabeni: if they are small, then they don't have the dead spaces
Pila Mulligan: as opposed to the streamlined efficiency of McDonalds
Calvino Rabeni: and the activity penetrates the whole space
Pila Mulligan: like feeding geese
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Calvino Rabeni: Sorry, AFK for a bit
Lucinda Lavender: ok:)
Lucinda Lavender: how is your bread going Pila?
Pila Mulligan: nicely thanks -- I'm concentrating on pizza these days
Pila Mulligan: trying to perfect the crust
Lucinda Lavender: ah...
Pila Mulligan: :) fun
Lucinda Lavender: made one this week too...
Pila Mulligan: do you use a baking stone?
Lucinda Lavender: made a nettle pesto for it. no stone.
Lucinda Lavender: do you?
Pila Mulligan: nice, pesto is delicious
Pila Mulligan: yes, I've just started experimenting with a stone
Pila Mulligan: it is different for sure
Lucinda Lavender: this was left over from the making of nettle beer in the spring
Pila Mulligan: :)
Lucinda Lavender: interesting flavor like almost licorice
Pila Mulligan: I have nettle and basil growing here, but never thought to combine them
Lucinda Lavender: but lemony
Lucinda Lavender: works well and freezes in chunks that can be melted later
Pila Mulligan: someone borught some avocados and so I've tried adding them on top the pizza (after cooking)
Lucinda Lavender: yum
Lucinda Lavender: what else do you put on ?
Pila Mulligan: I've even seen some recipes where they cook the avos into the pizza, but haven't had the nerve to try it
Pila Mulligan: I like veggies and tofu
Lucinda Lavender: nodding
Pila Mulligan: onion, mushroom, eggplant, zuke, etc
Pila Mulligan: sometimes baked before adding them
Lucinda Lavender: basil?
Pila Mulligan: n pesto
Pila Mulligan: not plain leaves (yet)
Pila Mulligan: I do an olive oil-pesto under the toppings
Pila Mulligan: before the sauce
Lucinda Lavender: yum
Pila Mulligan: yep, yum :)
Pila Mulligan: and it supposedly helps keep the crust crispy
Pila Mulligan: less saturated by the sauce
Lucinda Lavender: do you cook with a very hot oven?
Pila Mulligan: yes, hottest possible
Pila Mulligan: 540 degrees F
Lucinda Lavender: 450 or so?
Lucinda Lavender: ah!
Lucinda Lavender: very hot then!
Pila Mulligan: gas
Lucinda Lavender: ah
Pila Mulligan: yes
Pila Mulligan: the stone almost instantly seals the crust
--BELL--
Lucinda Lavender: must go to help with the contact cement on a countertop...brb
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: using dowels?
Pila Mulligan: that's a tricky step
Pila Mulligan: gluing the countertop in place is an art form
Pila Mulligan: I meditate daily, too Ewan -- it is really a nice part of the day
Pila Mulligan: but I do not use biofeedback (except maybe for the sense of the internal feelings)
Lucinda Lavender: we are making a new countertop for a rental house...putting the two pieces together just now
Pila Mulligan: are you putting surface material on or just joining the structure?
Lucinda Lavender: surface is going on to an under part
Pila Mulligan: that is the tricky one :)
Pila Mulligan: I watched the carpenter do it here -- he sued dowel rods
Pila Mulligan: used*
Pila Mulligan: every foot or so
Lucinda Lavender: using slices of old measuring tape
Pila Mulligan: then pulled them out one at a time
Pila Mulligan: :)
Lucinda Lavender: yes just as we did
Pila Mulligan: he made it look like surgery :)
Pila Mulligan: very precise
Lucinda Lavender: we will trim excess off
Pila Mulligan: yep, and there seems to be a special tool just for that
Pila Mulligan: special*
Lucinda Lavender: I am learning my husbands tricks here...
Pila Mulligan: :) the guy here was mostly concerned with being sure it came down even, so no bumps, and square with the back panel
Lucinda Lavender: ah
Pila Mulligan: then he trimmed the edges
Lucinda Lavender: we still have to take it to its home...
Lucinda Lavender: to install
Pila Mulligan: it is fun learning these things by observing
Lucinda Lavender: yes!
Lucinda Lavender: IKEA has options for 1940's house size sinks
Pila Mulligan: ;0
Lucinda Lavender: great to learn that in this time of disappearing options
Pila Mulligan: finding old fixtures is also an art
Pila Mulligan: wb Calvion
Calvino Rabeni: Thanks Pila
Lucinda Lavender: yes...checked the vintage stuff and found others using IKEA
Pila Mulligan: I once had a house with a huge 6' + claw foot tub
Pila Mulligan: hi Shint
Shint Kinomis: hello
Lucinda Lavender: nice!
Lucinda Lavender: Hi Shint!
Shint Kinomis: hello lucinda san
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Pila Mulligan: is this your first visit here Shint?
Shint Kinomis: is this one of kira cafe?
Pila Mulligan: yes
Shint Kinomis: yes, it is first time
Pila Mulligan: maybe one of the Guaridan folks can give you a note card
Shint Kinomis: i joined kira cafe today
Pila Mulligan: cool
Pila Mulligan: lots of activities
Lucinda Lavender: strange...I have lost mine!
Pila Mulligan: :) this is Steve's session, but he left already
Lucinda Lavender: there you go...
Lucinda Lavender: found it!
Shint Kinomis: thanks
Pila Mulligan: I only have really old note cards -- do you have any Cal or Ewan?
Pila Mulligan: oh, ok
Calvino Rabeni: I sent one to Shint
Ewan Bonham: I do not..
Pila Mulligan: thanks
Shint Kinomis: Thanks too
Pila Mulligan: and then there is the logging question ... about do you mind having your comments poasted on the website as part of the chat log
Lucinda Lavender: you can look at these I have sent too...not sure which are older or not...
Pila Mulligan: thanks Lucinda
Pila Mulligan: newer for sure
Lucinda Lavender: ok
Shint Kinomis: it will be long time to read this sentence for me:)
Lucinda Lavender: ah!
--BELL--
Ewan Bonham: Well, good night folks...thanks so much..:)
Pila Mulligan: bye Ewan, nice to see you
Lucinda Lavender: Have a good dream Ewan!
Shint Kinomis: see you later
Shint Kinomis: thanks Calvino san
Calvino Rabeni: :)
Lucinda Lavender: thanks Cal
Pila Mulligan: yes, thanks
Pila Mulligan: the person who started Kira is presently working in Japan, Shint
Pila Mulligan: is presently*
Shint Kinomis: japanese come to here?
Pila Mulligan: well, he is Dutch, then came to the US, now working in Japan :)
Pila Mulligan: he started Kira while in the US
Pila Mulligan: and some Japanese people come here, to Kira also
Calvino Rabeni: Shint, do you play the Game of Go?
Pila Mulligan: like yourself :)
Shint Kinomis: yes, i am 1d player in KGS
Shint Kinomis: do you play?
Calvino Rabeni: I like, that Japan has a drama about Go - "Hikaru no Go" for the young ones
Pila Mulligan: nice, at the top :)
Calvino Rabeni: 1D is better than I am :)
Pila Mulligan: you should play with Pema, the Dutch fellow, he is good
Shint Kinomis: i start go cos i read the comic
Calvino Rabeni: :) nice
Pila Mulligan: :)
Shint Kinomis: do you now vineland?
Shint Kinomis: go center in SL
Pila Mulligan: I have not seen it
Calvino Rabeni: Is there only one Go center in SL?
Calvino Rabeni: I play sometimes in RL
Shint Kinomis: all my knowledge, vineland is only go center
Calvino Rabeni: Because I like handling the stones and the wood
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, I have been there
Calvino Rabeni: seldom play
Calvino Rabeni: it is well-designed
Shint Kinomis: http://www.notabene-sl.com/slgc/status.php
Shint Kinomis: and i also play shogi and chess
Shint Kinomis: i am beginner
Pila Mulligan: nice, do many 1st dan players come to SL?
Shint Kinomis: recently, some strong player do not so come to
Pila Mulligan: oh, I see your name on the website -- it says 3rd dan :)
Shint Kinomis: if you would liketo play, i can play
Shint Kinomis: i am japanese 3dan
Pila Mulligan: and Allan Vordun is 5d there -- quite nice
Pila Mulligan: so skillful players
Calvino Rabeni: Do you play a little, Pila?
Pila Mulligan: long ago, enought o be embarrassed by akorean friend :)
Pila Mulligan: he also was 8th dan Tae KwonDo master
Pila Mulligan: so I watched mostly :)
Calvino Rabeni: It is a great game - I wish it were more widely known in USA and Europe
Pila Mulligan: yes, it is
Pila Mulligan: Pema is quite an active player I believe
--BELL--
Calvino Rabeni: It is quite an experience to play with a stronger player, whether in Go or martial arts (provided it is a teaching game)
Pila Mulligan: yes
Pila Mulligan: a learning experience
Shint Kinomis: sometimes i go to universe when i think about go concentrtly.
Calvino Rabeni: :) yes
Calvino Rabeni: seeking good Art
Calvino Rabeni: and sometimes it feels like closer to perfection
Shint Kinomis: playing go with friend is plenty time.
Shint Kinomis: i have go friends
Pila Mulligan: Shint, do you mind having your comments here published with the chat log on the website ?
Pila Mulligan: usually all the chat is posted on a wiki there
Shint Kinomis: our chat are recording?
Pila Mulligan: yes
Shint Kinomis: recorded
Shint Kinomis: i do not so mind
Pila Mulligan: thank you -- there are four sessions here each day
Pila Mulligan: in between there is not recording
Shint Kinomis: where are the web? i wanna see ago chat log at this
Pila Mulligan: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2010
Shint Kinomis: thanks
Pila Mulligan: :)
Calvino Rabeni: It will be there later
Calvino Rabeni: after some time
Calvino Rabeni: a person will edit it first
Pila Mulligan: the logs go back for three years!
Pila Mulligan: four times a day :)
Shint Kinomis: i will study about this cafe.
Calvino Rabeni: We passed the 3000 mark
Calvino Rabeni: this is the session #3035
Pila Mulligan: there are also other special sessions at the Cafe that are not recorded
Pila Mulligan: like a Dream Workshop on Tuesdays
Pila Mulligan: where they like privacy
Calvino Rabeni: Depending on when it started - maybe it is #2712
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: Aorl 1st
Pila Mulligan: it started
Pila Mulligan: April*
Pila Mulligan: 2007
Shint Kinomis: i should restart studying english too, so hard:)
Lucinda Lavender: maybe you are practicing here...
Shint Kinomis: to chat you? that would be nice
Pila Mulligan: sometimes Pema speaks Japanese here too, and also Dutch, and some speak German or French as well
Calvino Rabeni: Come by any session - you can practice english in chat :)
Pila Mulligan: but usually it is English
Lucinda Lavender: I know one Japanese song...sho jo gi
Lucinda Lavender: not sure of the spelling...
Lucinda Lavender: ddo you know it?
--BELL--
Shint Kinomis: sho sho sho jo gi　♪
Lucinda Lavender: about the raccoon yes!
Lucinda Lavender: in the moonlight
Lucinda Lavender: sho jo gi no ni wa wa...
Pila Mulligan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17D3-RhUkso ?
Shint Kinomis: kojyonotsuki song
Pila Mulligan: or maybe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McexZ...eature=related
Pila Mulligan: Sho-Jo-Ji (The Hungry Raccoon) by Eartha Kitt
Lucinda Lavender: yes...
Shint Kinomis: http://music.goo.ne.jp/lyric/LYRUTND56722/index.html
Lucinda Lavender: learned it to sing once to a little by who came with no english to my class
Lucinda Lavender: boy
Lucinda Lavender: he gave me a funny look!
Lucinda Lavender: you speak something I understand?!
Shint Kinomis: ponpokoponnopon
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Pila Mulligan: Sho sho Shojoji Shojoji no niwa wa Tsu tsu tsukiyo da Minna dete koi koi koi Oira no tomodacha Pon poko pon no pon
Lucinda Lavender: yep!
Pila Mulligan: At Shojoji Temple In the temple garden In the moonlight Come on everybody My friends play belly drums
Pila Mulligan: Pon poko pon no pon
Pila Mulligan: :)
Pila Mulligan: nice
Lucinda Lavender: belly drums...
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Shint Kinomis: ponpoko is sound beating racoon's stomach hisself
Pila Mulligan: :)
Lucinda Lavender: a nice image for an unhappy child perhaps
Lucinda Lavender: ah!
Pila Mulligan: well, I must be leaving, nice to meet you Shint, and nice to see you as always Lucinda and Clavinno
Calvino Rabeni: Bye Pila
Lucinda Lavender: yes Pila...I must go too, bye for now
Shint Kinomis: it was nice time pila san
Calvino Rabeni: What is the name of the japanese comic about the boy who can see the spirits? "Book of Friends" ?
Calvino Rabeni: Lucinda I think you would like it
Calvino Rabeni: Bye for now :)
Lucinda Lavender: I would like to see it...
Calvino Rabeni: Some time we can watch it
Lucinda Lavender: ok!
Shint Kinomis: see you later
Lucinda Lavender: see you all...
Shint Kinomis: book no friends?
Calvino Rabeni: Good night :)
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, a story - a boy sees the spirits - he has a sensei - who appears as Lucky Cat
Shint Kinomis: who is the author?
Calvino Rabeni: but is really fierce
Calvino Rabeni: Not sure, it is video drama - anime
Shint Kinomis: mmm,,, japanese have many spirit comic
Calvino Rabeni: OK - title is "Natsume Yujincho"
Calvino Rabeni: So true ! Many spirit comics
Shint Kinomis: oh
Shint Kinomis: i finded it! maybe
Shint Kinomis: http://www.nasinc.co.jp/jp/natsume-anime/
Shint Kinomis: is this?
Shint Kinomis: official site
--BELL--
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, that is the one
Shint Kinomis: http://www.amazon.co.jp/s/ref=nb_sb_...C2%82%DF%82%E4
Shint Kinomis: you also watch this to buy by amazon
Shint Kinomis: DVD
Calvino Rabeni: The art is very nice in this comic
Calvino Rabeni: painting, nature
Calvino Rabeni: for a comic, I think, unusual
Shint Kinomis: some Asian people believe spirits are always with you
Shint Kinomis: how about europe and USA?
Calvino Rabeni: http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&s...sume+&gs_rfai=
Shint Kinomis: hello
Calvino Rabeni: I like that art
Calvino Rabeni: Aphrodite - hello good to see you :)
Calvino Rabeni: Shint, now I notice, your name reminds me of "Shinto"
Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Calvino
Calvino Rabeni: I much like the japanese feeling of those spirits
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Shint, nice to meet you
Calvino Rabeni: they are different than the ones in Europe and USA
Calvino Rabeni: How are you Aphrodite?
Aphrodite Macbain: Well thanks, Sust returned back home and settling in.
Shint Kinomis: it is snow
Aphrodite Macbain: I have a wasp sting on my hand and it's itching like crazy!
Aphrodite Macbain: From the sublime to the ridiculous
Calvino Rabeni: Sorry to hear it Aphrodite
Calvino Rabeni: Sometimes those are blended - sublime and ridiculous
Aphrodite Macbain: my finger looks like a bratwurst sausage!
Calvino Rabeni: Ow !
Aphrodite Macbain: now that's just ridiculous
Calvino Rabeni: You have an allergy or sensitivity
Calvino Rabeni hopes you don't have a web cam :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes I guess I do since it has swollen quite a bit - and no I wont show it to you!
Calvino Rabeni: : TY
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm sure it will be fine by tomorrow. Funny how little things like that get in the way
Calvino Rabeni: Indeed
Aphrodite Macbain: and disrupt a calm train of thought. Hard to concentrate
Calvino Rabeni: We were talking about spirits a little as you got here
Aphrodite Macbain: yes, sounded interesting.
Calvino Rabeni: How would you rest, if you had a protector spirit like this one
Calvino Rabeni: http://animeprincess.kokidokom.net/w...nap-179546.png
Aphrodite Macbain: what kind of spirits?
Calvino Rabeni: Japanese style
Calvino Rabeni: as imagine in japanese custom, I think
Aphrodite Macbain: They can be pretty scary
Calvino Rabeni: Part of nature, yes, can scare, or be allies
Calvino Rabeni: but mostly, they have their own life to live
Calvino Rabeni: just like everybody
Calvino Rabeni: and respond to kindness or honor sometimes, like humans
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm waiting for the anime to download. I guess they are unlike the greek and roman gods who wanted to meddle in human affairs
Aphrodite Macbain: I wouldn't mind a spirit like that. S/He looks strong but gentle
--BELL--
Aphrodite Macbain: Shint - do you believe in spirits?
Calvino Rabeni: I see them as different, yes
Aphrodite Macbain: Do you Shint?
Shint Kinomis: i do not so believe, but i sometimes feel universe.
Aphrodite Macbain: ah what do you mean you feel universe, please explain Shint
Calvino Rabeni: I think, the Western spirits and demons come from the human subconscious, but the Japanese ones come from nature .... that is to oversimplify things
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps that's what Shint means by the universe -nature
Calvino Rabeni: Possibly yes
Shint Kinomis: for example, when i sit in front of goban, i enter like deep liver.
Aphrodite Macbain: The "spirits" I have experienced are those of my grandparents. I feel they are still around somehow
Calvino Rabeni: Flowing and long
Aphrodite Macbain: beautiful
Calvino Rabeni: This image, makes me want to play
Aphrodite Macbain: I like the Rman's concept of household gods or spirits
Aphrodite Macbain: living in the hearth or at the doorway.
Shint Kinomis: universe, spirit, and nature is colose words i think
Calvino Rabeni: Closer in Japan, perhaps
Calvino Rabeni: But I agree
Aphrodite Macbain: the universe is filled with spirits of nature
Aphrodite Macbain: including wasps
Aphrodite Macbain: Shint, I have set my translator to speak Japanese. Can you understand me?
Calvino Rabeni: Yes ... a lot of modernity is based on the idea of having left this way of seeing behind, as if it were obsolete ....
Calvino Rabeni: The question in my mind is, how to re-integrate it into post-modernity
Aphrodite Macbain: yes - superstition
Calvino Rabeni: Aphrodite, how do you work a translator?
Shint Kinomis: i am ok,but to translate japanese to english is very difficult by machine.
Aphrodite Macbain: I have a translator tat I set that identifies what I speak and identifies what the other speaks. But it doesn't seem to be working in this cases
Shint Kinomis: i berely understand your talk
Calvino Rabeni: hmmm, sorry
Aphrodite Macbain: I wish I could translate for you!
Calvino Rabeni: yes
Shint Kinomis: me too
Calvino Rabeni: calmness mind helps
Aphrodite Macbain: You speak English well Shint.
Aphrodite Macbain: Can you say something in Japanese?
Shint Kinomis: i am happy to hear it aphodite san
Shint Kinomis: 日本語でですか？
Aphrodite Macbain: can you write in Japanese?
Shint Kinomis: 日本語で話してもいいのでしょうか
Aphrodite Macbain: Hmm It doesn't like this. Sorry Shint!
Shint Kinomis: そうですか
--BELL--
Shint Kinomis: 分かりました
Aphrodite Macbain: :-(
Shint Kinomis: i speak english do my best
Aphrodite Macbain: OK shint
Shint Kinomis: oh, it is time to log out for me.
Shint Kinomis: i say good bye both
Aphrodite Macbain: Don't go yet Shint!
Calvino Rabeni: arigato, Shint san
Aphrodite Macbain: I want to show you something. OK?
Calvino Rabeni: Good bye, see you again
Shint Kinomis: kotirakosoatigato
Aphrodite Macbain: aflac
Shint Kinomis: i will come to here again
Calvino Rabeni: That would be good, Shint - goodbye for now :)
Shint Kinomis: TV CM!
Aphrodite Macbain: ??
Shint Kinomis: appulause
Calvino Rabeni: ah
Aphrodite Macbain: hahah good! I am glad you like it!
Aphrodite Macbain: aflac
Shint Kinomis: this is a japanese insurance company song
Aphrodite Macbain: arigato
Aphrodite Macbain: no!!!
Aphrodite Macbain: that is very funny
Calvino Rabeni: Yes ....
Calvino Rabeni: hehehe
Shint Kinomis: hahaha
Aphrodite Macbain: will you buy insurance from me?
Aphrodite Macbain: Life insurance?
Shint Kinomis: i do not want :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Property?
Aphrodite Macbain: OK :-)
Calvino Rabeni: How about - monkey insurance?
Shint Kinomis: see you later, it is happy time.
Aphrodite Macbain: pretty good. want to insure your monkey?
Calvino Rabeni: Bye then :)
Aphrodite Macbain: sayonara
Shint Kinomis: さようなら
Calvino Rabeni: No, I want to insure against petty thefts perpetrated by monkeys
Calvino Rabeni: "Beware the Monkey"
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: Can you tell me what is going on with the emerald viewer business?
Calvino Rabeni: They might steal my camera, or more valuable object such as my concentration
Aphrodite Macbain: something that's happening in Australia
Calvino Rabeni: ah ... emerald eh
Calvino Rabeni: are you using that viewer?
Aphrodite Macbain: I have it but am not using it right now. Yaku sold me on it
Calvino Rabeni: Well the story is that Linden Labs has to trust viewers to work well
Calvino Rabeni: And if they don't, if they cause trouble, then LL will block them from access
Calvino Rabeni: and the Emerald viewer is an open project
Aphrodite Macbain: have they been causing trouble?
Calvino Rabeni: someone apparently made an abusive version of it, yes
Aphrodite Macbain: oh. but that's not emerald's fault
Calvino Rabeni: it was used as a trojan horse - someone put attack code into it
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, from LL point of view it is emerald's fault
Aphrodite Macbain: oh dear.
Aphrodite Macbain: should I get rid of it then?
Calvino Rabeni: because the people who manage the project, are supposed to be wary and guard against it being misused
Calvino Rabeni: No, it won't hurt the users I think
Aphrodite Macbain: which project SL?
Calvino Rabeni: but LL will probably start rejecting the viewer
Calvino Rabeni: I meant the Emerald project
Aphrodite Macbain: which means I wont be able to use it then
Calvino Rabeni: That would be true, if they start to block it
Calvino Rabeni: there will be lots of grumbling
Calvino Rabeni: it is not a good situation for LL or for the Emerald fans
Aphrodite Macbain: I notice they have just updated their version of SL- I wonder whether it is to compete with Emerald
Aphrodite Macbain: SL Viewer
Aphrodite Macbain: You are here as a Guardian ?
Aphrodite Macbain: or just hanging out?
Calvino Rabeni: I wondered that myself, whether the update was related to the emerald business
Calvino Rabeni: the details are technical
Calvino Rabeni: http://www.google.com/search?q=emera...ient=firefox-a
--BELL--
Aphrodite Macbain: what did you just send me?
Calvino Rabeni: No, I was not the session guardian, just hanging out
Calvino Rabeni: That was, details on the problem with Emerald - for reference - I didn't see a simple explanation there
Calvino Rabeni: Mostly tech stuff
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks I've bookmarked it
Calvino Rabeni: There was some web site, that all the emerald viewers were ganging up on
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm interested in the whole social dynamic of this. Little empires
Aphrodite Macbain: big bullies
Calvino Rabeni: BIg fish in a small pond
Calvino Rabeni: That's why there are so many ponds
Aphrodite Macbain: the shape changes but the content remains the same
Calvino Rabeni: It's the lucifer effect
Aphrodite Macbain: :-) huh?
Calvino Rabeni: It is a christian myth
Aphrodite Macbain: Hmm tell more please unless you mean
Aphrodite Macbain: that lucifer was thrown from heaven because he was geting too big for his boots
Calvino Rabeni: A metaphysical story ... there was a supreme intelligence ... divided into parts ... one of those parts didn't want to serve the whole ....
Calvino Rabeni: so he wasn't so much thrown out, as left ...
Calvino Rabeni: as a choice - rather than serve in a higher empire, to rule in a lower one
Calvino Rabeni: it's a psychological metaphor
Aphrodite Macbain: and do it my way
Calvino Rabeni: (or can be so interpreted)
Calvino Rabeni: As everyone uses this strategy
Aphrodite Macbain: Sounds very socialist to me. The importance of contributing to the larger good
Calvino Rabeni: by restricting their purview to that aspect of reality that they (think they) can rule
Aphrodite Macbain: wishful thinking? narrow thinking?
Calvino Rabeni: I don't know about socialism - was not aware of them using some form of transcendentalism as a founding philosophy ... but wouldn't be surprised
Aphrodite Macbain: where did this appear in Christian literature?
Aphrodite Macbain: who are they?
Calvino Rabeni: I'm not sure - if I wanted details, I might start with "A History of God" by Karen Armstrong
Aphrodite Macbain: Thanks.
Calvino Rabeni: From before - well maybe you're right - wishful and narrow thinking
Aphrodite Macbain: as a former Christian, I was never aware of this as a Christian philosophy
Calvino Rabeni: I wasn't, but I have heard this promoted by christians
Aphrodite Macbain: my main source for this idea is Paradise Lost!
Calvino Rabeni: Former christian ...
Aphrodite Macbain: I had to memorize large chunks of it
Calvino Rabeni: Threw it all out, or ... what's your current relationship to it?
Aphrodite Macbain: yes. I grew up in a strongly Christian (Anglican) family
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, there's been a trend like that for some time
Aphrodite Macbain: with Christianity?
Calvino Rabeni: but I've also noticed the opposite trend
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, well that's the culture we're in - so the trend is relative to christian
Aphrodite Macbain: I found it less and less relevant. The idea of a personal god outside myself doesn't seem possible.
Aphrodite Macbain: I prefer the Buddhist philosophy
Calvino Rabeni: Philosophy, not quite considering it a "religion"?
Aphrodite Macbain: and look inward for a "god".
--BELL--
Aphrodite Macbain: I think Buddhism is more a philosophy than a religion
Aphrodite Macbain: although Tibetan Bhudddism has lots of gods or bhodisattvas (ssp!)
Calvino Rabeni: It gets practiced a lot like a religion - with behaviors, observances, rituals, etc.
Aphrodite Macbain: Buddhism
Aphrodite Macbain: true. but I'm not sure that makes it a religion. I think religion is about a belief in some god
Calvino Rabeni: When people use the word "inward" it raises a question for me about what that means
Aphrodite Macbain: yes?
Calvino Rabeni: But perhaps that is the christian definition of religion, because theirs is about belief in a god
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps it is vague. but it is the opposite of seeking understanding from what others tell us
Calvino Rabeni: could there be religions that weren't based on belief and didn
Calvino Rabeni: 'not have a god or gods?
Aphrodite Macbain: in most other religions there are gods - islam, judaism
Calvino Rabeni: Those are brothers, I believe, branches of the same movement
Aphrodite Macbain: I guess we have to define what the word religious means.
Aphrodite Macbain: pantheism believes there are gods everywhere in nature. maybe that's a cousin?
Calvino Rabeni: One might guess, that people would choose to define it in ways that are derived from their own worldview
Aphrodite Macbain: Absolutely, perhaps it can't be otherwise
Calvino Rabeni: Perhaps not - but it's probably worth trying
Aphrodite Macbain: What is your religion Calvino?
Calvino Rabeni: Thanks for asking - I can't answer that question
Aphrodite Macbain: Sorry. I didn't mean to pu you on the spot
Calvino Rabeni: Not a problem - it's not that I think I have one and don't want to state it, but more that it is not nameable
Aphrodite Macbain: I enjoy talking with you Calvino, you have a sharp but generous mind. I appreciate your comments and observations
Calvino Rabeni: I enjoy talking with you too, for the same reasons, Aphrodite :)
Aphrodite Macbain: I tend to accept things too readily and you tend to question them
Calvino Rabeni: Hello Aztlan
Calvino Rabeni: heheh
Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Aztlan
Aztlan Foss: hi Aphrodite
Aztlan Foss: hi Clavino
Calvino Rabeni: I liked your earlier comment about place-spirits (or however you put it)
Aphrodite Macbain: The domestic gods.lares and pinates
Aphrodite Macbain: Aztlan - do you believe in spirits?
--BELL--
Aphrodite Macbain: genius locii -the spirit of place
Calvino Rabeni: To allow such spirits - is it an act of generosity or an act of capitulation and limitation?
Aphrodite Macbain: depends what you mean by "allo"
Aphrodite Macbain: allow
Calvino Rabeni: I mean, for them to "be" for you
Aphrodite Macbain: Aztlan left!
Aphrodite Macbain: to believe in them? To accept them as real for you?
Calvino Rabeni: We'll see if he comes back from a crash, or just scrammed :)
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, to acknowledge them as existing
Aphrodite Macbain: My knee jerk response is that we believe in gods or spirits because they make us feel s; they give meaning to an otherwise meaningless life
Aphrodite Macbain: make us feelsafe
Calvino Rabeni: Or put another way - if there were a world A in which they existed, and B in which they didn't, then what woudl be the difference in one's life and it's potentials?
Calvino Rabeni: Thanks, yes, that's a familiar one
Aphrodite Macbain thinks it might be too glib to say there would be no difference
Aphrodite Macbain: because what exists, exists only in our subjective mind
Calvino Rabeni: Is that the idea of "inner" again?
Aphrodite Macbain: I'm becoming too Cartesian.
Aphrodite Macbain: Inner being our subjective self
Calvino Rabeni: then the question after that is, of course, what's "subjective"
Aphrodite Macbain: you don't believe in the concept of inner?
Calvino Rabeni: etc, unfortunately it can go on and on
Calvino Rabeni: Hmm I'm not sure - "The" concept of inner - that's what I've been questioning
Aphrodite Macbain: according to my weak knowledge, subjective thinking is shaped by ones own life experience and memories
Calvino Rabeni: Not questioning you specifically, just acknowledging it as an open issue for me
Calvino Rabeni: WB Lucinda
Lucinda Lavender: :)
Calvino Rabeni: So I'd have to answer - I don't think I believe in the standard concept of inner
Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Lucinda!
Calvino Rabeni: Here's another question that has some metaphysics behind it -- maybe a different take on the same territory
Aphrodite Macbain: please go on...
Calvino Rabeni: Some people spend a lot of time concerned with their "weaknesses", trying to remedy them
Aphrodite Macbain: yes
Calvino Rabeni: Others spend time developing their strengths
Aphrodite Macbain: asset building
Calvino Rabeni: If there's a dominant mythos, it is the first one
Calvino Rabeni: in my opinion
Aphrodite Macbain: which mythos?
Calvino Rabeni: people who struggle with their deficits and feel broken or weak
Calvino Rabeni: The mythos - I mean the more common orientation of assumptions and values
Aphrodite Macbain: Glass half empty feeling
Calvino Rabeni: Nice - yes
Aphrodite Macbain: I agree. In the world of community development they talk about building from ones assets rather from ones weaknesses
Calvino Rabeni: Or more generally, a negative orientation, concerned with faults, problems, etc.
Calvino Rabeni: yes, that seems like counter to the prevailing pattern
Aphrodite Macbain: Appreciative inquiry
--BELL--
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, appreciative inquiry and positive psychology seem to go against the main flow of assumptions about what to do with the half and half glasss
Lucinda Lavender: wondering what is falling from the sky here...
Aphrodite Macbain: In my experience- this positive way of doing things is becoming predominant. Perhaps it is because of with whom I work
Calvino Rabeni: You are in a progressive sub-culture, I suspect
Aphrodite Macbain: of whom I work with
Aphrodite Macbain: Yes- community cultural development. Artists working with people to build upon existing assets and bridges
Aphrodite Macbain: in a creative way
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, and it's pretty easy to feel one is part of a general social trend
Calvino Rabeni: and I hope that is true
Aphrodite Macbain: You're right. Perhaps there are many opposite trends. I hope they don't cancel each other out
Calvino Rabeni: This half empty ethos - an example of it is the psychological concept of the "shadow"
Aphrodite Macbain: Lucinda- what is falling from the sky?
Lucinda Lavender: that is what I was wondering...
Calvino Rabeni: The half-empty view is that the shadow is negative
Calvino Rabeni: but actually there's "positive" shadow that's huge
Lucinda Lavender: like your Idea...Cal
Aphrodite Macbain: I don't see anything Lucinda
Lucinda Lavender: it goes on and off...
Calvino Rabeni: So we couldn't say, the shadow concept is defined by the negative view
Aphrodite Macbain: if shadow=negative
Lucinda Lavender: yes...perhaps not!
Calvino Rabeni: Well, shadow != negative
Aphrodite Macbain: RO-
Calvino Rabeni: except according to the "glass half empty" perspective
Lucinda Lavender: what about a richness...dimensionality
Lucinda Lavender: without negativity
Aphrodite Macbain: ah. we are speaking in dualities aren't we?
Calvino Rabeni: We maybe be talking in parts and wholes
Lucinda Lavender: Aph...do you see the lights falling now?
Calvino Rabeni: Isn't a half a glass, a whole half? :)
Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps there is more than a 1/2 full or 1/2 empty glass. There is all the proportions in between
Aphrodite Macbain: no I don't
Aphrodite Macbain: Wonder if it's the fountain
Lucinda Lavender: aw...sorry because it is pretty
Calvino Rabeni: Is it slow, Lucinda - then you can take a picture and show it
Lucinda Lavender: Cal do you see the lights
Calvino Rabeni: Where would I look to see lights?
Lucinda Lavender: ok I will try
Aphrodite Macbain: hahah yes. Who are we to say what is whole and complete/ Maybe half is enough I'm babbling so I should go to bed. The antihistamine is making me dopey. Head half empty
Calvino Rabeni: Yes, you're completely whatever it is you are, with nothing missing and nothing extra :)
Aphrodite Macbain: Wholely sleepy. ; } nite all
Calvino Rabeni: Nice you dropped in Aphrodite - talk to you later :)
Lucinda Lavender: enjoy your sleep...:)
Aphrodite Macbain: Tanks for the me mories and thanks for the picture
Aphrodite Macbain: I see snow. I believe I even made it but I can't se it!
Aphrodite Macbain: Shall I turn it off?
Lucinda Lavender: cool!
--BELL--
Lucinda Lavender: I like it.
Lucinda Lavender: do you see it now?
Calvino Rabeni: I saw your picture of snow
Calvino Rabeni: but it's not visible to me
Lucinda Lavender: ok happy for that
Lucinda Lavender: interesting
Calvino Rabeni: Nor do the torches have fire - probably when I downloaded the new viewer, it set my old computer on a really low graphics setting so complex things do not appear
Lucinda Lavender: I see
Calvino Rabeni: How did the dream circle go?
Lucinda Lavender: I am getting tired too...It went well...
Lucinda Lavender: I think that there were 3 dreams with animals!
Calvino Rabeni: You might be interested in this log from last month with some dream related ideas
Calvino Rabeni: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2010/07/2010.07.29_19%3a00_-_Dreaming_Body
Lucinda Lavender: ah! I will read...
Calvino Rabeni: The particular animals were ?
Lucinda Lavender: a fish(cod) the size of a loaf of bread, Deer and Hamster, then Bear,
Lucinda Lavender: 3 dreams
Lucinda Lavender: in that order
Calvino Rabeni: thanks
Calvino Rabeni: I was wondering if the dream circle participation leads to any changes in ordinary consciousness
Lucinda Lavender: when certain things are said...and made clear or elucidated I would say it feels like a change. but when in dream circle in a room with people it is easier to make a shift I would say
--BELL--
Lucinda Lavender: the sound of the drum to start, the opening of the four directions, and then sitting in a comfortable chair...
Calvino Rabeni: The drum sound is not part of the SL dream circle?
Lucinda Lavender: no
Lucinda Lavender: we just dive in
Calvino Rabeni: No vehicle
Lucinda Lavender: I guess it is by word ...that the door opens
Lucinda Lavender: recognitions of common theme, spoken with gentleness.
Lucinda Lavender: Usually I have only been awake for about 15 minutes so I am slow to speak.
Lucinda Lavender: Morning dream circles have a special feeling to them
Lucinda Lavender: Have you had a dream of late?
Lucinda Lavender: or an image?
Calvino Rabeni: I was forgetting them, but recently returned to the awareness
Lucinda Lavender: nice
Lucinda Lavender: oops I just typed about 80 k's...
Lucinda Lavender: surprise!
Lucinda Lavender: I have not remembered them either.
Lucinda Lavender: am waiting.
Calvino Rabeni: I had best head in the direction of the bed .. have a good week/end Cinda
Lucinda Lavender: you too Cal!
Lucinda Lavender: harmonious dreaming to you...
Calvino Rabeni: Bye :)