2008.08.22 13:00 - Hope Doug Reads This, Decoupaging, Polarization & SL

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    Solobill was the guardian, but in his absence, and at various times Wol, Gaya, Adelene, and Adams offered to fulfill that roll until at last I showed up...The comments as such are mine, offered to organize the conversation and break up the discussion a bit.

    First, many greetings.

    Wol Euler: hello doug, gaya.
    doug Sosa: hi gaya
    Adams Rubble: Hello Adeline :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    doug Sosa: hello adelene
    Wol Euler: hello adelene!
    Adelene Dawner: Hi all ^.^
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Adams Rubble: Hello Rajah :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Rajah Yalin: hi Adams, Gaya
    Wol Euler: hello rajah
    Rajah Yalin: and Adelene, Wol, and doug
    doug Sosa: :)
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Adams Rubble: How is the weather there today, Rajah?
    Wol Euler: funny how quickly one gets used to transient appearances. I find it hard not to think of Adelene as the water-dragon, though I only saw that form once.
    Adelene Dawner chuckles.
    Rajah Yalin: its really hot
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Adams Rubble: How hot does it get Rajah?
    Rajah Yalin: well right now it is only in the 20s and a light srain but has been very humid
    Rajah Yalin: it has been in the 30s and up a lot lately though
    Adams Rubble: We have been fortunate with the humidity here this summer
    Adams Rubble: Today I realized that I saw the world around me much more vividly as a child. Not a profound thought but just awareness for me
    Adams Rubble: I can still see things I saw as a child very clearly
    Rajah Yalin: its still winter almost spring
    Adams Rubble: Yes
    Gaya Ethaniel: I was told that children don't see the separateness until certain age when they develop 'self'
    Adams Rubble: I am feeling I want to look around me and see what I have missed
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles

    Doug posits a question regarding PaB and its relation to the everyday world.  (Doug, I found your question really interesting, and after reading through a few times I'm not sure you had the time to fully elucidate your meaning...Are you talking about a form of "PaB-in-action"? , is this a new perspective of Seeing?)

    doug Sosa: what is the relation of 9 sec to the seriousness of the human world?
    doug Sosa: does history, culture, society dissapear in the 9 sec?
    Adams Rubble: No
    Gaya Ethaniel: hm... not disappear...
    Gaya Ethaniel: melted?
    Gaya Ethaniel: hm... joined?
    Adams Rubble: I have been thinking about that Doug
    Gaya Ethaniel: Not sure of a right word...
    Adams Rubble: We need to change ourselves first
    doug Sosa: Well, "change ourselves" implies that we still have a self, or believe we do. Past that, in being, what of history, society...?
    Adams Rubble: In PaB terms we need to let Being become us
    Adelene Dawner hmms, and tries to find words for her answer to Doug's question, 'cause it's a good one.
    Adams Rubble: Then we see the Being in others
    Adams Rubble: We can do much good by being compassionate in our daily dealings
    Adams Rubble: The world has so many problems, we can get lost
    Adams Rubble: But we have ability to do some things
    Adams Rubble: One, we can vote intelligently
    Gaya Ethaniel anticipates Adele's answer
    Wol Euler: we can choose not to buy strawberries grown in Egypt o.O
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Adelene Dawner: I'm going to come at this kind of sideways... I've been pondering in a relavent way, but if I try to start with the actual answer, it's not going to make much sense.
    Gaya Ethaniel remembers her putting down asparagus grown in Peru back to shelf when food shopping today
    Wol Euler: right.
    Adelene Dawner: 'to assume' has two different meanings that really aren't so different after all - the less common one is 'to take on', as used in the phrase 'assume the position'.
    Adelene Dawner: When we assume things, we take them on as part of our Selves... which is not always a bad thing. Your Self is the lens through which you see the relative world, and changing that lens can let you see new patterns.
    Adelene Dawner: 'society' and 'culture' are patterns like that - we can only even see them if we're making certain assumptions.
    Adams Rubble: yes Adelene
    Adelene Dawner: Answer your question, Doug?
    doug Sosa: no. that makes them something remote, but i believe they are closer, and we are implicated. Is is not a question just of seeing but of... well it is time to do something- gracefully.
    Adelene Dawner prefers not-doing, and faith that the world can take care of itself... though seeing that to be true involves dropping *lots* of assumptions.
    Adams Rubble: I don't see a change in my commitment to the world because of PaB
    Gaya Ethaniel: world can take care of itself?
    doug Sosa: i do not beleive the world can take care of itself.
    Adams Rubble: I don't either
    Gaya Ethaniel: What is this 'world'?
    Adelene Dawner: It depends on what you're assuming 'take care of itself' means... and Gaya's even closer to Absolute truth than I was being. ^.^
    doug Sosa: i do believe the world is contained in being. But the exercize of seeing the world is profound.
    Gaya Ethaniel: ?
    doug Sosa: world here i mean going back to first question, the world of society, culture, history, the lines of force that emmenate from institutions..
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm pretty shut down these days Adele...
    Adelene Dawner:  Gaya Ethaniel: What is this 'world'?
    Gaya Ethaniel: yes what did you mean by it?
    Adams Rubble: There are so many levels of the world surrounding us
    Gaya Ethaniel: There are?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Pls say more Adams
    Adams Rubble: There is planet earth
    Adams Rubble: there is the person you meet in the street
    Adams Rubble: there are people being oppressed
    doug Sosa: in this pavilion, we are pervaded by pixels, by the internet, by a company called linden, by a culture that puts property, dollars and self presentation in the foreground. can we see these things?
    Adams Rubble: there are people being exploited
    Gaya Ethaniel: And... you guys see the differences?
    Gaya Ethaniel is puzzled...
    Adams Rubble: differences?
    Wol Euler: lol
    Gaya Ethaniel: Adams you said there are different worlds? So you see differences between them?
    Wol Euler: to be honest, it takes me an effort to be aware of "the world" at all.
    Adams Rubble: different levels
    Gaya Ethaniel: So you perceive some sort of 'difference'....
    Adams Rubble: This is a very biiiiiiiig topic
    Gaya Ethaniel: Me neither Wol
    Gaya Ethaniel: ok pls tell us Adams as much as you can
    doug Sosa: What Wol said gets to my issue. What is the relation of the 9 sec meditation to being able to do that hard work? One answer would be..
    doug Sosa: forget about it. But that feels avoidant.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Perhaps you don't need 9 sec doug
    doug Sosa: ?
    Adams Rubble: Yes I would agree with Gaya
    Adelene Dawner: Maybe, maybe not.
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Adams Rubble: I do not think I have changed in my views of my responsibilities to the world because of the the 9 seconds
    Adelene Dawner: Me, either.
    Adams Rubble: But I am not blind to the injustices and misery
    Adams Rubble: Many caused by my own country
    doug Sosa: with the 9 sec i see the table more clearly, i see social forces more clearly, i see being more clealry, and i can let them all see me - and each other.
    Adams Rubble: I can see that Doug. It hasn't happened for me yet
    Gaya Ethaniel reads doug's original Q again
    Adams Rubble: It would seem that as we become more compassionate we can't help but to see
    doug Sosa: every tear shed by a child becomes a star in heaven - Blake (paraphrase).
    Adelene Dawner: Doug, if that's your pattern - influincing that level of being - then yes, the nines can help you do that. Being aware of your assumptions doesn't mean dropping them, and it can help you figure out which assumptions are useful or not-useful to you.
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm interested to know why you've chosen the word 'seriousness' as in seriousness of the human world
    Adams Rubble: Who used seriousness?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sorry doug's original Q
    Adams Rubble: Ah, OK. Didn't remember
    doug Sosa: i mean, needing to respond, beause it is not going so well.
    Adams Rubble: I think that Adelene makes a good point with assumptions
    doug Sosa: So I started with a paradox (unspoken), that in our meditation we reduce the world to the visibly present, but the forces of society are present, and with effort we can see them.
    Gaya Ethaniel listens
    Adams Rubble: Many mistakes have been made by people trying to help because their assumptions were wrong
    doug Sosa: and I must excuse myself for next meeting... :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Adams Rubble: bye Doug
    Wol Euler: bye doug, have a good weekend.

    Doug leaves, but the conversation carries on.

    Wol Euler: it seems to me that Doug's question is assuming that there is a single must-be-perfected answer/method/solution to the whole of Life and the World.
    Wol Euler: that if the 9 seconds are not crap, they must solve torture in Tibet.
    Wol Euler: is that overinterpretation?
    Gaya Ethaniel: I wanted to quote Isen to doug... but he left
    Wol Euler: well, quote to us and he can read the log :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Sure one sec
    Gaya goes into her chat library and pulls out some of Isen's statements...
    Gaya Ethaniel: Isen Enzo: "dukkha" Isen Enzo: dukkha has a lot of translations.. Isen Enzo: best translation I know is that Dukkha is like a wobbly axle.. Isen Enzo: never smooth. Isen Enzo: never even. Isen Enzo: never perfect. Isen Enzo: like a squeaky wheel. Isen Enzo: on a potter's wheel, or. Isen Enzo: a cart wheel.. Isen Enzo: goes round but never eexact..
    Gaya Ethaniel: Isen Enzo: is that life is dukkha.. Isen Enzo: life is a wobbly axle.. Isen Enzo: never smooth.. Isen Enzo: our suffering comes from.. Isen Enzo: not being accepting of the wobbliness. Isen Enzo: not that life is sufferinng... Isen Enzo: life is uneven. Isen Enzo: we suffer because we want it otherwise. Isen Enzo: thats our problem..

    I take a bit of deserved abuse for my truancy...

    Adams Rubble: Who is guardian for this session?
    Wol Euler: solo
    Adams Rubble: Do you want me to do the log?
    Wol Euler: Damn, so hard to get good help these days.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Isen Enzo: one thing to have pain... Isen Enzo: another to make it worse.. Isen Enzo: "oh- why me... Adelene Dawner: ah Isen Enzo: one of the translations of "dukkha" is "suffering", but.. Isen Enzo: really, it is more like uneveness.. Isen Enzo: I think Isen Enzo: so that's my take on the translation of "dukkha" C: should we try to fix it?
    Wol Euler: yes; or I can, as you wish.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Isen Enzo: nothing perfect. Isen Enzo: can't be made perfect Gaya Ethaniel wonders whether we can still enjoy the ride with the squeaky wheels Isen Enzo: but we can learn to live with the imperfection..
    Adams Rubble: We can see who lasts longer Wol :)
    Adams Rubble: Ah, Pema is going to make it afterall :)
    Wol Euler: so maybe the expression "good enough" fits?

    Pema joins the conversation.

    Adams Rubble: Hi Pema :)
    Wol Euler: (dukkha -> good enough to go on with)
    Wol Euler: hi pema
    Pema Pera: Hi everyone!
    Adelene Dawner: Hi Pem ^.^
    Gaya Ethaniel: Isen Enzo: might not like the squeeky part of the turn.. Isen Enzo: thats the suffering part. Isen Enzo: do what you can.. Isen Enzo: let the rest go Isen Enzo: the wheel will turn to a smoother part .. Isen Enzo: stuff happens Isen Enzo: we try to deal with it. Isen Enzo: you can spit into wind or with wind.. Isen Enzo: up to you.
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Wol Euler: lol, brilliant
    Gaya Ethaniel: C: good karma is non action? Isen Enzo: no- good karma is good action Isen Enzo: bad karma is bad action..
    Wol Euler: ... given however that honesty and honour may sometimes _require_ spitting into the wind.
    Pema Pera: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: C: so we do act then and not just accept Isen Enzo: "karma" is directly translated to "action" Isen Enzo: sure Isen Enzo: we act Isen Enzo: try our best C: and try to fix the wheel Isen Enzo: well- fix what we can... Isen Enzo: but life is not always even.
    Wol Euler nods
    Gaya Ethaniel: Isen Enzo: sometimes its hard. Isen Enzo: even when we try our best.. Isen Enzo: gotta try. Adelene Dawner: So hard to strike balance? When do we stop trying?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Isen Enzo: sure wont improve with out effort Isen Enzo: be aware Isen Enzo: hit a wall.. Isen Enzo: go around Isen Enzo: or over Isen Enzo: or under.. Isen Enzo: not so hot to try to keep going through..
    Gaya Ethaniel: Isen Enzo: I had a teacher once who said.... Isen Enzo: there's a real zen statement.. Isen Enzo: everything changes.. Isen Enzo: nothing stays the same..
    Isen Enzo: impermanance is life.. Isen Enzo: that may be the perfection... Isen Enzo: in a wierd way.. Isen Enzo: all you can count on is change Isen Enzo: for sure
    Gaya Ethaniel: Enough for now :P
    Pema Pera: wise words
    Wol Euler nods
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Wol Euler: Ties in well with Gandhi's "Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it."
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Pema Pera: great quote!
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hope it wasn't too spammy...
    Wol Euler: Adams will hav some trouble formattimg it on the log :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel: I could do it
    Adams Rubble: Unless I leave first :)
    Pema Pera: you can just leave it as is, I think
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Wol Euler: ooh, cheater.
    Pema Pera: gives the spirit of the meeting
    Pema Pera: if it was good enough for us . . . . :)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hope doug reads it sometime
    Pema Pera: you can make the title for today "Hope Doug Reads This"
    Wol Euler: !
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Adams Rubble: haha
    Adams Rubble: OK
    Pema Pera: We did that for Fred, a few weeks ago, but I guess he didn't even read the titles
    Pema Pera: never heard back from him
    Adams Rubble laughs
    Pema Pera: the title was "What would Fred say?"
    Wol Euler: non, I haven'T seen his name in a long while.
    Pema Pera: and it was an honest question that came up in a meeting, about logic, one of his fields
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah... I was in that one.... one of my earlier sessions...
    Pema Pera: ah yes
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel: Wow... so much happened since then
    Adams Rubble: PaB is full of action
    Pema Pera: The six o'clock temple bells here in RL! It is so interesting to experience RL and SL simultaneously -- traveling around for my work, but always finding the same pavilion here wherever I go . . .
    Wol Euler: :-)
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Pema Pera: as opposed to staying home and traveling in your fantasy worlds
    Pema Pera: an odd inversion
    Pema Pera: keeping the fantasy world fixed and traveling in the real world
    Wol Euler: it's an amusing situation,, yes.
    Gaya Ethaniel: How does that make you feel Pema?
    Gaya Ethaniel: In sink somehow?
    Pema Pera: oh, I feel fine
    Pema Pera: just go with the flow, as they used to say in California, way back when
    Pema Pera: :>)
    Gaya Ethaniel: I'm guessing it has positivie effects to have PaB following you around :P
    Pema Pera: I certainly enjoy it
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Pema Pera: but I guess I should get going
    Pema Pera: lots of stuff waiting for me in RL,
    Wol Euler: how many 9 seconds did you do during that X hour flight? :-)
    Pema Pera: including zillions of email messages
    Pema Pera: didn't keep track of them, Wol, but I guess a few dozen :)
    Wol Euler: hehehe
    Adams Rubble: Wow that is many more than the 3 you had a few weeks ago, Pema :)
    Adams Rubble: 93
    Pema Pera: ?
    Pema Pera scratching his head
    Pema Pera trying to remember
    Adams Rubble: A few weeks ago you said you had 93 emails to read; I sent a 94th :)
    Pema Pera: ah, emails!
    Pema Pera: I have a back log of, lemme see . . .
    Pema Pera: 1405 emails
    Pema Pera: in my inbox
    Wol Euler: ack!
    Adams Rubble: scary!
    Gaya Ethaniel: hm... I always tried to keep it under 500...
    Adams Rubble: Everybody, don;t email Pema for a week!
    Pema Pera: during the next few years, a solution has to be found -- everybody suffers from information overload, especially emails
    Adelene Dawner feels less guilty about her dozen-or-so. ^.^
    Adams Rubble: yes
    Pema Pera: that won't do, Adam :)
    Gaya Ethaniel doesn't email Pema normally however... hm...
    Pema Pera: it's part of the fabric of life now
    Wol Euler: true, and it gets worse and faster all the time.
    Pema Pera: as a culture/society, we'll find a solution
    Pema Pera: but not overnight
    Wol Euler: twitter and IM as well...
    Pema Pera: yeah, everything
    Gaya Ethaniel laughs
    Adams Rubble: bye Pema :)
    Pema Pera: well, this is far more pleasant, talking here, compared to all the other forms of communication!
    Wol Euler: :-)
    Pema Pera: nice seeing y'all !
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Pema Pera: and see you soon again
    Wol Euler: bye pema, have a nice satureday.

    Pema is gone.

    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Adams Rubble: I have to go too; being called in RL
    Adams Rubble: Guess one of you get the log then :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Wol Euler: ah, then I guess I'll be it.
    Adams Rubble: bye :)
    Wol Euler: bye adams, take care
    Adams Rubble: OK Wol, thanks

    Adams leaves.

    Wol Euler: unless either of you want it? don't be shy :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Adelene Dawner: I'll be doing my first log at the next meeting - one step at a time.
    Wol Euler: :-)
    Wol Euler: ok, then. no overloading.
    Gaya Ethaniel averts her gaze from Wol
    Wol Euler: I'm sorry I won't make it, Adelene, but that's just too late for me. it's coming up to midnight now.
    Gaya Ethaniel temporarily becomes invisible with the mention of wiki log posting
    Gaya Ethaniel: I will do it Wol
    Wol Euler grins
    Wol Euler: only if you _want_ to, I can.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Let me do this for us
    Wol Euler smiles. Sure, of course.
    Gaya Ethaniel: You've got a lot on your plate until end month
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Wol Euler: true, ty.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Pleasure

    The topic of "shoulder pets" get introduced.

    Wol Euler notices Adelene's cockatiel! nice.
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah... saw you wearing that when you were a girl...
    Gaya Ethaniel: human girl*
    Wol Euler: I've been thinking about the ways that SL might feed back into RL, shoulder pets is one obvious thing.
    Wol Euler: :-)=
    Adelene Dawner shooshes Gaya, jokingly. ;)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Adelene Dawner: I actually *have* a rl plush shoulder pet. I don't wear him often though.
    Wol Euler: there! see! it
    Gaya Ethaniel: plush?
    Adelene Dawner: stuffed animal, Gaya.
    Wol Euler: it's happening already.
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah doll
    Adelene Dawner: 'doll' implies human.
    Gaya Ethaniel: sorry toy
    Wol Euler: mmm, sorta: typically soft and furry.
    Wol Euler: which dolls typically are not.
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Wol Euler <- pedant.
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel: I like people who can express themselves so well in word... pedantic sounds negative...
    Wol Euler: I was noting how few women in SL carry handbars or purses. Now, these are pretty well unavoidable in RL given its general messiness, but: if I were a maker of RL handbars, SL would worry me.
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah...
    Wol Euler: *handbags. Can't believe I misspelled that twice.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Wonder where I'd put my notebook and pen in RL Wol... Bubbly can't carry them for me
    Wol Euler nods. True, RL is so much messier.
    Gaya Ethaniel laughs... handbars..
    Gaya Ethaniel: Well I have MS word open on my puter instead of my notebook in RL so... messy all the same
    Wol Euler nods. Need a power cord too...
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel: I have a Q Adele
    Gaya Ethaniel: You know a lot of cultures talk about elements that make up the world
    Gaya Ethaniel: Such as fire, earth, air, water and so on
    Gaya Ethaniel: Do you see such in people too? Do people also have combination of these or one per one individual?
    Adelene Dawner: Oh, wait, I'm here. Yes?
    Gaya Ethaniel: yes
    Adelene Dawner reads.
    Adelene Dawner: I don't categorize people that way, and I don't think it'd be useful to - people are way too complicated to fit into just four groups.
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah
    Wol Euler: awww, plush rabbit.
    Adelene Dawner: ...not... quite. ^.^
    Gaya Ethaniel: oh
    Gaya Ethaniel: necklace too
    Gaya Ethaniel: When did you get the stuff animal?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Before SL or after?
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah.... wings
    Adelene Dawner: After, but unrelated.
    Wol Euler: aaah, I see. oh, it's the dragon from Neverending Story?
    Adelene Dawner: No, falcor didn't have wings.
    Adelene Dawner: George there is a baby albino mutant New York City sewer aligator. ^.^
    Wol Euler: lol!
    Wol Euler: brilliant.
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Gaya Ethaniel: Did you make it?
    Adelene Dawner: Nope. I know a lady who maked her living making and selling strange stuffed animals. Every so often I send her money and say 'surprise me!'
    Adelene Dawner: *makes
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles
    Wol Euler: oh, that's nice.
    Wol Euler: I like that idea.
    Adelene Dawner: Me, too, but I'm not quite that, um, focused? At least, not on the crafting.
    Gaya Ethaniel: But you do crafting?
    Wol Euler: I remember reading about you using up a whole tube of glue during a PaB session :-)
    Gaya Ethaniel nods
    Gaya Ethaniel imagines Adele's keyboard ladened with glue
    Adelene Dawner: I actually finished using my first 16oz Mod Podge during a that marathon session a couple weeks ago, but I'd been using it for a while. 16oz is a lot! I did go through it in 2-3 weeks though, start to finish.
    Wol Euler <- impressed.
    Gaya Ethaniel: wow... so much glue
    Adelene Dawner: Yes.
    Gaya Ethaniel: What do you normally make?
    Adelene Dawner: Um... I don't. *chuckles*. I'm a jack of all trades when it comes to crafts, but I rarely stick with one style for more than a few months - I've gotten decoupaging pretty much out of my system now, actually.
    Gaya Ethaniel: decoupaging?
    Adelene Dawner: gluing paper to things in a visually intersting way.
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah
    Gaya Ethaniel: I wonder if you 'see' things diff from other people Adele
    Adelene Dawner: Absolutely, in several ways, and very literally so. Sensory perception differences are the root of autism.
    Gaya Ethaniel listens
    Adelene Dawner rolls her eyes and notes that she needs to just make a list to pass out.
    Adelene Dawner: (hand out? the other way sounds like I'm going to faint)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles 'just one would do Adele'
    Adelene Dawner: Well, it ranges from simple things like perfect pitch, to a... wider, or more complete, field of vision (most people stop consciously seeing the things around the thing they're focusing on - I don't), to both traditional and conceptual synesthesia, to the *very* unusual ability to sense the polarity qualities of light.
    Wol Euler: wow
    Adelene Dawner: And Mark and I are still adding to that list. All that stuff is *normal*, to me... it doesn't occur to me that other people might not be able to do it.
    Wol Euler nods
    Gaya Ethaniel: polarity qualities of light -> don't get this bit
    Adelene Dawner: Not many people know about polarity of light, except scientists who study light. It's not something that most people find useful, being unable to see it. ^.^
    Adelene Dawner: And the scientific description is fairly technical, and the experiential difference is pretty subtle, so hard to describe.
    Wol Euler: photographers know it, though. A polarizing filter can make the sky seem bright or dark, and can remove or greatly reduce reflections on car windows etc.
    Gaya Ethaniel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polarization - this?
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah
    Adelene Dawner: Yes, that, gaya.
    Gaya Ethaniel: I know
    Gaya Ethaniel: Those filters... expansive!
    Gaya Ethaniel: That's amazing Adele
    Adelene Dawner: Except I perceive it directly - the lenses block light of a particular polarity, and mutelight of other polarities, so what you see with them is the blocking and muting, not the actual polarity of the light.
    Gaya Ethaniel nods and is amazed...
    Adelene Dawner: My actual experience is...
    Adelene Dawner: like, if I'm in the city, and I'm looking at a building with lots of windows on it. I can tell by the quality of the reflected light the exact angle that the wall is at compared to me - if I put on polarized glasses, I can't tell that, it just looks flat, like a photograph.
    Gaya Ethaniel: wow...
    Gaya Ethaniel: Is that common for people with autism?
    Adelene Dawner: No clue.
    Wol Euler: very wow.
    Adelene Dawner: Unusual sensory stuff like that isn't unusual, but I don't know if that particular thing is unusual or not.
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
    Gaya Ethaniel: Because I remember something about Gogh seeing lights differently to others
    Adelene Dawner: In general... normal people lose so many skills that babies have. Like, okay, there are sounds in English that aren't in Korean, and vice versa - babies can distinguish all those different sounds. Adults - normal ones, anyway- can only distinguish the sounds used by the culture they grew up in. But some autistics can still distinguish those sounds as adults - we never lose that skill, some of us.
    Adelene Dawner: (Not sure if that's true of me or not, but I do find accents fascinating.)
    Gaya Ethaniel: same here...
    Gaya Ethaniel: I learnt English with American accent
    Wol Euler: facinating.
    Gaya Ethaniel: Then came to UK... experienced all sorts not just English, Scottish, Irish but regional ones too ie. Yorkshire
    Gaya Ethaniel: I also know Australian accents... yet haven't spent enough time with Canadian or New Zealanders to distinguish diff
    Gaya Ethaniel: Also it's diff how Korean speaks English opposed to Japanese does
    Wol Euler: I've been trying to find online an article I read in a recent New Yorker about autism, a woman who makes videos to explain her "view" of the world. Just can't get there...
    Gaya Ethaniel: cool
    Adelene Dawner: You're probably thinking of Amanda Baggs, Wol. I know her, or knew her, she hasn't been on SL in months though. :( Want her blog and/or youtube pages?
    Wol Euler: ah found it! Wired, not New YXorker.
    Wol Euler: yes, thats the one! a fascinating story.
    Adelene Dawner: Amanda was in Wired, yes.
    Wol Euler: ty, adelene, that would be great.
    Adelene Dawner: http://ballastexistenz.autistics.org/
    Wol Euler: Gaya, this is the article: http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/...6-03/ff_autism
    Gaya Ethaniel: I already have that blog
    Adelene Dawner: http://www.youtube.com/user/silentmiaow
    Gaya Ethaniel: hm... just noticed that she also use the expression 'shutdown'
    Wol Euler: ty!
    Gaya Ethaniel: That's interesting...
    Adelene Dawner: I use a lot of the same terms that Amanda does, because a lot of how I know how my own brain works comes from reading about her and figuring out how we match and how we don't. We match a lot, considering how different our general functioning is.
    Wol Euler: damn, I wish I had known about this when Attorney was rabbiting on about uselessness of SL the other day.
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah ok
    Gaya Ethaniel: how so Wol?
    Wol Euler: I think this is the perfect illustration of a case where SL is useful and helpful, a very good thing.
    Wol Euler: How else would I be able to communicate with Amanda other then through SL? or she with me?
    Wol Euler: how on earth could we ever meet to try communicationg, even? without SL.
    Adelene Dawner: email, blog, etc... but yeah, SL is awesome for that. ^.^
    Gaya Ethaniel: ah...
    Wol Euler: ok, true, all typed media would work :-)
    Adelene Dawner: ^.^
    Wol Euler: but the immediacy of SL is very special.

    I finally arrive to the meeting...and effectively put the conversation to bed...

    Wol Euler: hello solo
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
    Adelene Dawner: SL adds whole new levels to it, though. I'd have a lot of trouble 'hanging out' with Amanda in RL.
    Solobill Laville: Greetings!
    Adelene Dawner: Or via email or whatever.
    Wol Euler nods.
    Adelene Dawner: 'lo Solo ^.^
    Wol Euler: ah, the midnight bell. I must go, work tomorrow :-(
    Gaya Ethaniel: I feel weary...
    Adelene Dawner: cya Wol
    Adelene Dawner: cya Gaya
    Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_

    (Thanks Adelene for providing a Notecard with the log!!)

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