2008.09.05 13:00 – Different Approaches & Multidimensionale Transmissionen

Solobill was the guardian for this here session.  Comments are his...

I arrived a few minutes late due to RL meetings to find Gaya sitting in the Pavilion.  This was a nice conversation between the two of us until the very end, when I started speaking German (and I don't speak German...)

Solobill Laville: :)
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
Gaya Ethaniel: How are you Solo?
Solobill Laville: Just fine, and you, Gaya?
Gaya Ethaniel: Well ty <smile>

We talk briefly of men's garb in SL.

Gaya Ethaniel: I heard it's hard to find decent men's clothing in SL but you dress well.
Solobill Laville blushes
Solobill Laville: thanks
Gaya Ethaniel smiles
Solobill Laville: but, why not??
Solobill Laville: you know, it is fun to dress nice
Gaya Ethaniel: Do you spend efforts dressing in RL too?
Gaya Ethaniel: make efforts*
Solobill Laville: sure, suits only when I have off-site meetings though
Gaya Ethaniel: ah

Gaya then brings up the subject of her meditation practice.

Gaya Ethaniel: Meditate far more each day now
Solobill Laville: how long at a sitting?
Gaya Ethaniel: At times over an hour
Solobill Laville: mm hmm
Gaya Ethaniel: Didn't know I still have other 'selves' that I didn't see
Solobill Laville: I can't say that I understand your "other selves"
Solobill Laville: I know that I have hidden aspects of myself
Solobill Laville: more emotional / behavioral based
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Solobill Laville: that become clear from sitting
Solobill Laville: I've worked out some profound things
Solobill Laville: at least to me ;)
Gaya Ethaniel: Sounds healthier...
Solobill Laville: Maybe that is similar to these "selves", I don't know
Gaya Ethaniel: It's similar to what you described as well as distinctive 'personalities' that I 'perceived'
Gaya Ethaniel: Mixed bag
Solobill Laville: ok
Gaya Ethaniel: This 'self' I'm discovering through an alt... more distinctive on its own

I thought of the idea of alternate avs, especially as opposite sex, was a way to explore how we view our gender roles, and how we interact as part of the overall cultural gender norms (or sub-cultural).

Solobill Laville: but that is a created entity, more of a play...not a buried "personality"
Solobill Laville: imo
Gaya Ethaniel: I see where you come from yes
Gaya Ethaniel: I need to lean onto how you see it...
Gaya Ethaniel: It's a state of mind
Gaya Ethaniel: If I lean more on perceiving selves... that's dangerous
Solobill Laville: for example an exploration of gender roles
Solobill Laville: we are very conditioned from birth
Solobill Laville: and role playing opposite sex is very liberating and illuminating
Solobill Laville: though "role play" can have negative implications, I know, but that in a way is what it is

But Gaya clarified the difference to her.

Gaya Ethaniel: Not RP... that's why it's real confusing Solo
Gaya Ethaniel: A lot of ppl around here don't get it
Gaya Ethaniel: I was one of them believe me
Solobill Laville: Well, it is not an "on" or "off" switch, if that's what you mean, I do agree
Solobill Laville: there are many shades of grey
Gaya Ethaniel nods
Solobill Laville: and the willing suspension of disbelief
Solobill Laville: which is easier for some than others
Solobill Laville: Also depends on each of our reasons for being in SL
Solobill Laville: escape
Solobill Laville: gratification
Solobill Laville: etc
Solobill Laville: or learning
Solobill Laville: communing
Gaya Ethaniel: Didn't have any expectation when I came to SL, primarily for market research... now I come here just to learn about myself
Solobill Laville: Ah! Amazing, isn't it!
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes... how things just happen when one least expects it
Gaya Ethaniel: So in a way, I'm happy that I had the impulse to create the alt
Gaya Ethaniel: It will show me aspects of myself that I hadn't been aware of before or suppressed
Solobill Laville: Care to expand?
Gaya Ethaniel: Sure
Solobill Laville: Has your meditation practice illuminated some of these aspects?
Gaya Ethaniel: I'm realising that many of my ‘ideas’ don’t hold water…
Gaya Ethaniel: Everyone seems to have apparently conflicting characteristics that are often categorised as separate by society
Solobill Laville: yes
Gaya Ethaniel: I'm hoping using the alt will help me to look into this idea of ‘separate characteristics’
Solobill Laville: That would be an amazing and wonderful thing
Gaya Ethaniel: But quite scary still
Gaya Ethaniel: When I watch a horror film for example
Gaya Ethaniel: I really get sucked into it and get so frightened
Gaya Ethaniel: As Gaya, thought SL doesn't have such effect
Gaya Ethaniel: I was wrong. Weird
Solobill Laville: Interesting
Gaya Ethaniel: Kind of... for me… boundaries of realities don't exist
Gaya Ethaniel: Of course RL person adds flavour to it... hinder the process often by avoidance

Gaya asked me about how I practice and how I discover some of these "deep seated" issues.

Gaya Ethaniel: Also wanted to ask something from what you said Solo
Solobill Laville: ok
Gaya Ethaniel: [13:25] Solobill Laville: I know that I have hidden aspects of myself
Solobill Laville: ah, things like buried guilt, anger
Gaya Ethaniel: Anger...
Gaya Ethaniel: How do you deal with it?
Solobill Laville: The more I sit, and become aware of it, the more it becomes clear for what it is
Gaya Ethaniel: Ah
Solobill Laville: I realized I had some deep seated emotions
Solobill Laville: that came forth from sitting
Gaya Ethaniel: Could you say more in details? There is nothing when I meditate
Solobill Laville: Rather, that I became aware of through sitting
Gaya Ethaniel: Nothing comes to 'mind' to me
Solobill Laville: Well, as you drop things, and let thoughts calm,
Solobill Laville: and eventually taper off
Solobill Laville: Sometimes things can "pop", as mini-self realizations
Solobill Laville: not in the sense of Big Awareness, necessarily
Solobill Laville: but of self-awareness
Gaya Ethaniel: that pop Solo doesn't happen during sitting
Gaya Ethaniel: During sitting or walking, it's just nothing
Gaya Ethaniel: pops happen while in activities other than formal meditations
Solobill Laville: hmmmm
Solobill Laville: I would possibly posit that that "nothing" may actually be something other than nothing, just perhaps

Though I said that and believe it may be true, here my danger flag starts waving.  It is very presumptious, in my view, to assume understanding of someone else's experience from a brief chat...But, of course, here we are...

Gaya Ethaniel: Hm... I've been discussion with Moon since the beginning of SL over my meditation practice
Gaya Ethaniel: Moon says that I've now advanced.... in a way
Gaya Ethaniel: And he reckons that I should focus on feeling the world beyond my body... which is what I've been doing.... I can no longer 'observe' thoughts or emotions during meditations as there are no such things
Gaya Ethaniel: I get thoughts and emotions when not in formal meditations
Gaya Ethaniel: And though been scared of going into sitting or walking meditations as these arise, I will attempt to meditate
Solobill Laville: What does your RL teacher say?
Gaya Ethaniel: Just follow my innate wisdom
Gaya Ethaniel: I call often 'gut feelings'
Gaya Ethaniel: Intuition
Gaya Ethaniel: It all starts from bodily sensations... sometimes pain in my brain, muscles, heart... all sorts
Gaya Ethaniel: Then I start looking at that... (wordless thoughts)
Gaya Ethaniel: Then just let it be
Gaya Ethaniel: Body disappear. It's there… I am aware of it but not as before. And feel floor, walls house next door ppl around the streets... etc
Gaya Ethaniel: And I'm in this state most of time when awake
Gaya Ethaniel: Of course except when I'm distracted on purpose to deal with RL
Solobill Laville: This heightened sense of perception, to me, is a viable and valuable form of practice
Gaya Ethaniel: Yes but now the issues is…my 'deep seated emotions' are not being dealt with by this way of practice it seems
Gaya Ethaniel: The other day, I got quite angry... was surprised at myself
Solobill Laville smiles

I smiled here because I do this as well; which is, I think, good as it demonstrates the acknowledgment of this thing, in this case anger, occurring as a separate thing from our essential nature; not "us".  Through this separation we can watch it rise as an observer, and watch it ebb as well, and let it go...

Gaya Ethaniel nods
Gaya Ethaniel: I haven't seen 'anger' during meditation recently. Not sure how and what to do now...
Solobill Laville: hmmmm
Gaya Ethaniel: I thought about this. If I become aware of getting angry or down, go for formal meditation? But this is how I plunged into the blackness over last 5 years... just making myself stabilised
Gaya Ethaniel: So I'm rather scared of doing formal meditation when in heightened emotions for example when angry or feeling down
Solobill Laville: Of course
Solobill Laville: There is a strong tie to our subconscious and what we call our ego
Solobill Laville: and as our ego chips away through effective sitting
Solobill Laville: that subconscious, and any psychological issues that may dwell there
Solobill Laville: are left bare
Solobill Laville: I was lucky enough to see some of mine
Solobill Laville: and through simply recognizing them, let them go
Solobill Laville: Sometimes it is not that easy
Solobill Laville: I am not so sure that SL is the perfect venue to deal with some of those types of issues...
Gaya Ethaniel: But meditation, exercise and music sometimes can't help out as before. So I'm looking into an alternative method, such as non contact sport, perhaps swimming
Gaya Ethaniel: For aggression that is
Solobill Laville: Physical exercise is a great idea!
Gaya Ethaniel: I do a lot of physical exercise already Solo
Solobill Laville: Oh, ok, sorry :)
Gaya Ethaniel: But just not good enough it seems, something different is needed
Gaya Ethaniel: Yoga, tai chi, Pilates and aerobics and bike. And I learn to sing as well
Solobill Laville: Wow

Just then supertrell strolled into the pavilion.

Solobill Laville: Hello, supertrell
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_
supertrell Maurer: hallo
Gaya Ethaniel: Solo I need to go and see a friend but meanwhile, could you have a think about my problems in meditating to deal with the 'deep emotions'?
Gaya Ethaniel: So we can talk about it next time?
Solobill Laville: Of course!
Gaya Ethaniel: Thank you so much
Solobill Laville: Bye, Gaya
Gaya Ethaniel: _/!\_

Gaya left, and supertrell sat down.

supertrell Maurer: guten Tag
Solobill Laville: Guten Tag!
Solobill Laville: Duetch?
supertrell Maurer: Das ist ein angenehmer Platz hier
Solobill Laville: Thank you
supertrell Maurer: ja ich schreibe Deutsch.
Solobill Laville: Do you speak any English?
supertrell Maurer: sehr schlecht
Solobill Laville: Ich spreick Duetch, not good... :(
Solobill Laville: Sorry!
supertrell Maurer: ich sprechen englisch auch not god
Solobill Laville: night so gut...ja?
supertrell Maurer: naja macht nix
supertrell Maurer: nicht
supertrell Maurer: nicht so gut
Solobill Laville: :)

We sat for a few moments in silence.

supertrell Maurer: ist aber nicht Duetch, es ist Deutsch from Germany
Solobill Laville: Ah, German Deutsch, ja, nicht so gut...

supertrell then looked at my profile and my quote from Shunryu Suzuki.

supertrell Maurer: "In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few."
Solobill Laville: :)

Then it hit me, google an online translation site!  Which I did and translated Suzuki's famous line back in German.  (For the non-German speakers the following is going to be pretty worthless, however, it does show that as a guardian there are opportunties to communicate across language barriers!)  So, let it be noted, we chatted a bit, I did my best to bring up some idea of what PaB is, and supertrell seemed somewhat interested.

Solobill Laville: In der Meinung des Anfängers gibt es viele Möglichkeiten, aber im Experten es gibt wenige.
supertrell Maurer: gibt es hier Cafe?
Solobill Laville: Nein, es gibt einen Zendo und eine Bar obwohl
Solobill Laville: Ich verwende einen On-Line-Übersetzer, so wissen Sie
supertrell Maurer: da hinten in der Ecke steht doch eine ESpresso Maschiene
Solobill Laville: Ja, espresso!
supertrell Maurer: ah, der online übersetzer funktioniert gut.
Solobill Laville: Klicken Sie auf die Espresso-Maschine bitte
supertrell Maurer: kann ich bitte ein espresso haben?
FX1-Black V1.0 (High Prim)_v4: Must clear coffee cups before making another.
Solobill Laville: Die Tasse ist bereit
FX1-Black V1.0 (High Prim)_v4 whispers: Coffee Machine ready for use.
FX1-Black V1.0 (High Prim)_v4 whispers: Coffee type set to - Cappuccino
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Solobill Laville: Jetzt können Sie die Tasse und Getränk tragen
supertrell Maurer: oh danke sehr
Solobill Laville: bitte
supertrell Maurer: ja wo denn?
FX1-Black V1.0 (High Prim)_v4 whispers: Coffee Machine ready for use.
Solobill Laville: Oops, schade, denke ich, dass ich es zufällig nahm, es ist die weiße Tasse unten, versuchen Sie bitte noch einmal
Solobill Laville: es wird in Ihren Warenbestand eintreten, dann tragen Sie es
supertrell Maurer: ja ich muss schauen wo es abgelegt wurde
Solobill Laville: Ja
FX1-Black V1.0 (High Prim)_v4 whispers: Coffee type set to - Cappuccino
Solobill Laville: Ich werde Sie einen cappucino machen
supertrell Maurer: sehr aufmerksam danke sehr.
Solobill Laville: Wir haben zwei Menschen hier, die wirklich German sprechen
Solobill Laville: Pema Pera, Moon Fargis
supertrell Maurer: wann kommen diese beiden menschen?
Solobill Laville: Ich kann erzählen, wenn Pema, gerade ein Moment bitte kommt
supertrell Maurer: Das mit dem Online Übersetzer funktioniert recht gut.
Solobill Laville: Ja, mindestens können wir kommunizieren!!
Solobill Laville: http://playasbeing.wik.is/Informatio...dian_Timetable
Solobill Laville: Moon wird hier am Sonntag an 1 sein AM SLT
supertrell Maurer: also in zwei Tagen.
Solobill Laville: Pema wird hier am Montag an 7 sein AM SLT
Solobill Laville: ja...
supertrell Maurer: woher wissen Sie dass so genau?
Solobill Laville: Wir besprechen die Natur der Wirklichkeit, ja ist das wahr
Solobill Laville: Schade, die Verbindung gab ich Ihren früheren Shows eine Liste
supertrell Maurer: sprechen sie auch über Multidimensionale Transmissionen?
Solobill Laville: Ich bin nicht sicher, was Sie durch Multidimensionale Transmissionen meinen
supertrell Maurer: ich meine die geistige Transmission.
supertrell Maurer: Aber in Multidimenssionalen Ebenen.
Solobill Laville: Vielleicht, aber was meinen Sie durch die Übertragung?
Solobill Laville: Transmissionen?
Solobill Laville: Übertragung von wen und zu wen?
supertrell Maurer: Ich meine die Übertragung des Geistes in andere Dimensionen
Solobill Laville: Ah vielleicht sprechen wir darüber, schade
supertrell Maurer: des eigenen Geistes, ausserhalb des eigenen Körpers in multiple dimensionen.
Solobill Laville: Das scheint sehr viel wie, worüber wir hier sprechen, versuchen auch wir zum Praxis-Fallen, was wir in den neun zweiten Segmenten, jeder so häufig haben
supertrell Maurer: jetzt gibt es aufeinmal viele meditationskissen hier.
Solobill Laville: Hier in SL meinen Sie?
supertrell Maurer: hier in SL in diesen Raum.
Solobill Laville: ja
supertrell Maurer: vorher habe ich nur drei Kissen gesehen.
supertrell Maurer: nun sind es 13.
Solobill Laville: ja...
supertrell Maurer: Erwarten sie bald mehrere Personen?
Solobill Laville: obwohl dieser Raum mehr ist, um unsere Erfahrungen und Anstrengungen zu teilen
Solobill Laville: einige Sitzungen sind groß, es gibt 32 Mitglieder in der Gruppe, und vielen, wer gerade kurz vorbeikommen
Solobill Laville: ich denke, dass es eine Duetsch Version von etwas von unserer Diskussion über diese Website gibt
Solobill Laville: http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/
Solobill Laville: ja...http://playasbeing.wordpress.co...y/einfuehrung/
supertrell Maurer: ja das ist intersant
supertrell Maurer: ist noch ein Platz frei?
Solobill Laville: Ja, natürlich gibt es kostenlos
Solobill Laville: :)
Solobill Laville: Das ist ein interessantestes Gespräch mit dem Übersetzer gewesen!!
Solobill Laville: Aber ich muss jetzt gehen, supertrell
Solobill Laville: Kommen Sie bitte wieder kurz vorbei
supertrell Maurer: ja, ich bedanke mich auch. sehr interessant.
supertrell Maurer: Ja, das werde ich tun.
Solobill Laville: Ausgezeichnet! Haben Sie einen großen Tag
supertrell Maurer: Danke sehr.
Solobill Laville: Bitte