2009.08.01 01:00 - Retreats & Learning

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Scathach Rhiadra. The comments are by Scathach Rhiadra.

     Yakuzza and I had a short discussion about learning/education and were then joined by Bertram... 

    Yakuzza Lethecus: good morning scath
    Scathach Rhiadra: good morning Yakuzza!
    Scathach Rhiadra: How are you this morning?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it´s ok, j had my first coffee, but i have to cook new :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: by the way what are you doing in ireland ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: how do yu mean?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: what you studied
    Yakuzza Lethecus: what ur working
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, I working in Banking Operations
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you attended college ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes, studied Maths and Physics
    Yakuzza Lethecus is scared
    Scathach Rhiadra: heehee
    Scathach Rhiadra: have forgotten most of it now!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: math prevented me from attending college
    Yakuzza Lethecus: somehow i had only blackouts when it came to analysis
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and i could have only studied computer science or electrical engineering with my school background by that time
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so i had to do something and just became a metal worker...
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i think much about the issue if i just thought in the wrong way or if i am just not born for that stuff because i spend even more time on those topics by that time then others who did well
    Yakuzza Lethecus: did you learn any foreign languages ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, only some Dutch, and dis French at school, but have forgotten that too
    Scathach Rhiadra: did*
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, i had english and french, in fact i was pretty bad in both of them
    Scathach Rhiadra: oh, your english is good:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and right now only my conversational english improved very much
    Yakuzza Lethecus: yeah, but don´t let my write something important where good orthography is a must :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: can you not attend college as an adult, mature student now, without school qualifications?
    Scathach Rhiadra: that is if you wanted to:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i have at least the fachhochschulreife
    Yakuzza Lethecus: na, the issue for me is confidence

    Yakuzza Lethecus: hey bertram
    Scathach Rhiadra: hello Bertram
    Bertram Jacobus: hello yakuza and scathatch :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i think about the issue how to talk about issues and how i think i got my beliefs
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how to just create a positive environment where i even have many kinds of contacts i can bother with questions sometimes :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i have a job, i have money and i still work on those issues from the past without pressure, the money pressure was pretty bad when i was at school
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Scathach Rhiadra: and life is a learning experience too
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nods

    Yakuzza asks about Retreats, RL centres and practices.....

    Yakuzza Lethecus: do you attend real life retreats ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: how far are you in buddism ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: sometimes, but not many
    Yakuzza Lethecus: thx to this place i noticed that there is even a rl retreat 15 km from here :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i haven´t been there yet
    Bertram Jacobus: where is that ? may i ask ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, do you mean a centre?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: in germany
    Yakuzza Lethecus: right a center
    Bertram Jacobus: oh. i´m in germany, too. where exactly ? :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: for retreats in the forest near sundern
    Bertram Jacobus: ok
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sauerland, nrw
    Bertram Jacobus: in the forest ? that means, not in a house ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: sure a house second i search for the link :)
    Bertram Jacobus: i heard about a project that will be without a house if i understood that right. therefor i asked ...
    Bertram Jacobus: + e*
    Yakuzza Lethecus: http://www.meditationshaus-sundern.de/
    Bertram Jacobus: tyvm :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but no i haven´t seen that place so far
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i just didn´t know about retreats in general
    Yakuzza Lethecus: before some people in pab
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes, some go on retreats regularly
    Bertram Jacobus: what was the longest retreat you did scathatch ? more then a weekend ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: a week
    Bertram Jacobus: great. and in which tradition was that ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: Tibetan Buddhism, Kagyu
    Bertram Jacobus: same like me (!) ... :-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: but i´m not so close linked to them anymore ...
    Scathach Rhiadra: there are very few centres in Irleand, the nearest one to me (and the biggest) is the Kagyu centre
    Bertram Jacobus: i see. i often said to freind too, it´s also a question of availability what one can find ...
    Bertram Jacobus: friends*
    Bertram Jacobus: sorry. did not hear the bell. but now : put my sound on
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes that is true, also they often host teachers from different traditions

    ...and the subject of splits and schisms in Buddhism arises as Stevenaia arrives.....

    Bertram Jacobus: oh. that´s great ! so it won´t be a centre of ole nydal i guess ? because they don´t invite other teachers in germany ...
    Scathach Rhiadra: oh, no very orthodox, no Ole Nydal:)
    Scathach Rhiadra: wb Yakuzza:)
    Bertram Jacobus: hehe. i was also at a orthodox orientated circle. the scholars of gendune rinpoche. do you know his mandala ? (dhagpo-mandala sometimes called) ...
    Bertram Jacobus: oh. i feared we woul bore you yakuza. (puh) wb :-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: like Thrangu Rinpoche?
    Bertram Jacobus: and hello stevenaia :-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: hello Stevenaia
    Bertram Jacobus: ah. yes. but - orientated to the other karmapa
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, all this differences and splits:)
    Scathach Rhiadra: these*
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. i take it as koans ... ;-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Scathach Rhiadra: unusual to see you here at this hour:)
    stevenaia Michinaga: indeed, I was wondering the same thing about me and the time
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: rere that I would be awake now
    stevenaia Michinaga: rare
    stevenaia Michinaga: waiting for a deam-like topic to emerge

    We get back to the topic of Retreats, the upcoming RL PaB retreat and the building of an SL model for the planned RL retreat centre.....

    Scathach Rhiadra: ha, we were discussing retreats and teaching centres in RL
    stevenaia Michinaga: listens
    Bertram Jacobus: but yakuza started the topic and seems to have serious computer problems now (?) ... :-/
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: nah, i don´t have a serious pc problem :)
    Bertram Jacobus: oh. good ! :-)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but i like to listen since i don´t have real experience on that topic
    Scathach Rhiadra: you are not going to the PaB retreat then, in a few weeks time?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i like to listen as soon as a conversation started, i like to hear about those topics sind they are new to me
    Yakuzza Lethecus: you mean me ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes, or anyone else
    Yakuzza Lethecus: i never flew anywhere in my life :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: no, I am not going
    Bertram Jacobus: i didn´t hear about it yet and have no idea how such a retreat can work (?) but sounds very interesting ... can you explain a bit scathatch please perhaps ?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: at least so far, and california is a bit far away
    Scathach Rhiadra nods at Yakuzza
    Scathach Rhiadra: it is for 5 days late August, in a centre in California
    Bertram Jacobus: ah ok
    Scathach Rhiadra: there are only a few people going, mostly who live in US, and Tarmel is going from Australia on way to Canada to visit family I think
    Bertram Jacobus: great
    Bertram Jacobus: i thougt about if a retraet could be held up on virtual bases in any way too perhaps .....
    Bertram Jacobus: should be possible i guess ...
    stevenaia Michinaga: I think RL encounters with the people in the group open wonderful new way to see the indiviuals we have all come to know
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes, I can't see an SL retreat would really work, you would need the RL meeting I think
    Bertram Jacobus: but ... could be an experiment ? ... :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: isn´t there an experiment 4 times a day ? :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: well, are you still building the retreat model Steve, could try it out
    stevenaia Michinaga: when you meet in RL, it;s like an entirely new group of avators :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: aww, the retreat models... perhaps once I begjn to build here
    Bertram Jacobus: yes yakuzza, but we could have even more experiments - if we would like to have ... only some thoughts , until now ...
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: the 9 seconds when done regularly could be considered a micro-retreat, in the midst of living maybe?
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. i agree
    Scathach Rhiadra: don't have to go anywhere special, just exactly where you are
    stevenaia Michinaga: the 9 secs are not times to interact directly with others except in silence, the reast of the 15 minutes is more about learning abut the 9 seconds
    Bertram Jacobus: you think, the 9 seconds are so also to "interact with others in silence" stevenaia ?
    stevenaia Michinaga: I suppose, but I haven;t found that to be the case for me
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    stevenaia Michinaga: thinking back
    Bertram Jacobus: i ask myself if that would be already silence (?) ... hmm ... :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: no, it;s more a way to interact with me :)
    Bertram Jacobus: no, not already. sorry - still ! *blush*
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes just being
    Bertram Jacobus: yes
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes, a nice partner
    Bertram Jacobus: or even less as interacting, with whom ever, even oneself. as scat said : just being
    Scathach Rhiadra: could be considered interacting with our real self or nature
    Bertram Jacobus: at the top, i wouldn´t see anything relative anymore. more the absolute area, region, state ...
    stevenaia Michinaga: or reading a book,... you are the book
    stevenaia Michinaga: wonders who wrote that book
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)

    .....which brings us to questions of 'self'.....

    Bertram Jacobus: and i don´t see the difference between the so called "self" and "i" - what shall that be, please ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, true nature, natural state are not the same as the 'self' or 'I'' which are dependently arising
    stevenaia Michinaga: There was an interesting conversation at my wednesday 7:00 pm session there Avastu explained it clearer than most
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah will have to read that
    Bertram Jacobus: ty for the hint steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: but I cannot http://playasbeing.wik.is/Chat_Logs/...a00_-_Fullness
    stevenaia Michinaga: grins
    Bertram Jacobus: but also "nature" ... a sometimes more then suitable word if one takes regard to it´s source - it comes from latin and means as much as "born" (!) ...
    Bertram Jacobus: not suitable i meant
    Bertram Jacobus: sorry ... i write not precise enough yet
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Bertram Jacobus: and there is a very big difference between the born and the not born things, ideas or however one could try to express this
    Bertram Jacobus: and very often people mean the unborn when they talk about natural aspects ...
    Scathach Rhiadra nods, or the essence
    Bertram Jacobus: i sthat confusion ? may be my confusion, too ?
    Bertram Jacobus: yes. exactly scat :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: wonders if unborn and what preceeds being born is the same thing?
    Bertram Jacobus: it is said, from an absolute view they are same, from a relative not
    Scathach Rhiadra: unborn implies beginningless, endless withour cause
    Scathach Rhiadra: without*
    Bertram Jacobus: i "have to" leave ... ty for this very nice talk - and may all beings be happy please ... :-)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: ok, cya everyone
    stevenaia Michinaga: good to see you again
    Scathach Rhiadra: good bye Bertram, have a good day:0
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Yakuzza, have a good day too:)
    Bertram Jacobus: ty all. i enjoid this morning session very much :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: you staying? I have to stay, my cat just places himself on my lap
    stevenaia Michinaga: so typing my be a bit fuzzy
    stevenaia Michinaga: may
    Scathach Rhiadra: :) no, time for me to leave too, nice to see you Steve, have a good evening, or is it night?
    stevenaia Michinaga: 5 am
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: oh early morning:)
    stevenaia Michinaga: still dark, birds are waking up
    stevenaia Michinaga: bye Scathach
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Steve, Namasté

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