2009.11.07 01:00 - Silence & Inner Stillness

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Scathach Rhiadra. The comments are by Scathach Rhiadra.

    I was joined by Yakuzza, Bertrum, Trevor, Qt and Gaya......   


    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello bertrum, yakuzza!
    Yakuzza Lethecus: morning
    Bertrum Quan: Hi everyone
    Yakuzza Lethecus: hello trevor
    Trevor Berensohn: Mornin all =)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Trevor
    Bertrum Quan: Hi Trevor
    Scathach Rhiadra: so how is everyone today?
    Qt Core: hi all
    Bertrum Quan: Hi Qt
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Qt
    Trevor Berensohn: Hullo QT
    Trevor Berensohn: Good here
    Scathach Rhiadra: any topic someone would like to discuss?
    Trevor Berensohn waves to Gaya
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Gaya:)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Hello everyone :)
    Qt Core: hi Gaya
    Bertrum Quan: Hi Gaya
    Trevor Berensohn: Hmmm I don't have a topic
    Scathach Rhiadra: well, silence is always good too:)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Trevor Berensohn: It's the bestest part =)
    Trevor Berensohn: Wb Bert
    Scathach Rhiadra: wb Bertrum:)
    Gaya Ethaniel: wb Bertrum
    Bertrum Quan: Thanks!

    A topic emerges - 'silence' and 'inner stillness' ......

    Trevor Berensohn: A friend mentioned silence in conversation today
    Gaya Ethaniel listens.
    Scathach Rhiadra listens
    Trevor Berensohn: She went to a class on centering prayer, and that's what they were paying attention to: the silence
    Trevor Berensohn: SO I seem to be hearing a lot about silence today =)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: inner stillness sometimes seems even better than silence
    Gaya Ethaniel: Is it possible to appreciate silence without inner stillness?
    Trevor Berensohn: Heheh otherwise, silence can seem pretty oppressive
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, good question, I don't know
    Scathach Rhiadra: but you can have inner stillness without silence
    Qt Core: don't know, sometimes during silences i hear my brain as if going overdrive with nothing to process
    Gaya Ethaniel nods ... and ponders.
    Qt Core: like a void foodprocessor at max speed
    Trevor Berensohn: Mine does that too, QT... to a steady disco beat
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Trevor Berensohn: I really don't prefer silence, but it does seem useful for helping me get used to inner stillness
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Qt Core: complte silence seem a little innatural to me that is why i love the chirping birds here
    Gaya Ethaniel: You think so? When it's silent ... normally I feel something even though no sounds.
    Bertrum Quan: I don't think it's possible to experience absolute silence and be alive!
    Scathach Rhiadra nods, yes there is always some sound, even if we are not consciously aware of it
    Trevor Berensohn: Ha! Sorry, I had to go ask the neighbor to turn their music down
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Trevor :)
    Trevor Berensohn: Apparently they wanted to participate in the theme
    Gaya Ethaniel giggles.
    Qt Core: were they playing sound opf silence ?
    Scathach Rhiadra: heh:)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Trevor Berensohn: Hahaha no some Kylie Minogue ditty
    Trevor Berensohn: Gaya, when you said you feel something, did you mean emotions,thoughts, ambient noise?
    Gaya Ethaniel thinks.
    Trevor Berensohn thinks even when trying not to =)
    Gaya Ethaniel: Could be emotions ... heart thumping ... thoughts ... various things in general. When it's still inside, it's silence yet not quiet silent ... hard to say :)
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    Trevor Berensohn: I do find that as well.. there is always some subtle vibration, noise, emotion
    Bertrum Quan: I think the notion of awakening involves all of our senses.
    Trevor Berensohn contemplates what Bert said..
    Scathach Rhiadra: a present awareness of everything ?
    Qt Core: as i don't meditate this may be a silly question but isn't better having a known noise source (let say some music) instead of silence and be distracted by each little noise of uncertain source ?
    Gaya Ethaniel: It's fun to investigate little noises of an uncertain source.
    Qt Core: some "carpet noise" to cover the distracting ones
    Qt Core: yes, i like to do it but it could be distracting too
    Gaya Ethaniel nods ... at first :)
    Trevor Berensohn chuckles.. even at seconed!
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Qt Core: this come from my study habits when each ditraction was welcomed ;-)
    Trevor Berensohn: It seems that different things distract different ppl, come to think of it
    Bertrum Quan: In a sense awakening to sound is not a distraction. It is an integral part of awareness
    Gaya Ethaniel is curious about this study habit of Qt's.
    Trevor Berensohn: Perhaps that's why some ppl use music to help meditate, andothers prefer silence
    Trevor Berensohn: Guess there's no "right" way, just what works
    Qt Core: just having the radio on so i knew the source of the noise
    Qt Core: sorry i have to go
    Trevor Berensohn: Good to see you QT
    Gaya Ethaniel: Have a good weekend Qt :)
    Bertrum Quan: bye Qt
    Qt Core: ty all, ciao
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Qt, have a good day:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Yakuzza
    Trevor Berensohn: Bye Yakuzza
    Gaya Ethaniel: Bye Yakuzza :)
    Trevor Berensohn: Is it time to go?
    Gaya Ethaniel: Almost :)
    Trevor Berensohn: Ah
    Trevor Berensohn is surprised by the fountain resuming

    We finished with some discussion of the session at 1pm SLT yesterday, where we were joined by some guardians from the RL retreat in Princeton......

    Gaya Ethaniel: How was the session yesterday with the RL retreat? I couldn't make it.
    Scathach Rhiadra: ah, it was interesting
    Trevor Berensohn wasn't there either
    Bertrum Quan: Scath, can you tell us more about it?
    Scathach Rhiadra: a lot of people turned up, and about 6 from the retreat...
    Scathach Rhiadra: most of the talk was about the place itself
    Scathach Rhiadra: it seems they have had some meetings aout future retreats, so were talking about next year in Germany
    Trevor Berensohn: Oh wow
    Scathach Rhiadra: mmm, the only practice they talked about was using the basic stop and drop, see what you are for one session
    Scathach Rhiadra: they seemed very happy and um, giddy, about it all:)
    Gaya Ethaniel: :)
    Trevor Berensohn: Awww that makes me hapy
    Bertrum Quan: Was there additional technology involved in the session? Or the same as this?
    Trevor Berensohn: technology?
    Scathach Rhiadra: same as this, just chat
    Scathach Rhiadra: it seems they were all sitting around a large board table with laptops , so for them it was like two sessions going on at the same time
    Bertrum Quan: That is interesting!
    Trevor Berensohn: Sessions within sessions within...
    Scathach Rhiadra nods:)
    Gaya Ethaniel smiles.
    Scathach Rhiadra: they will log in again today for the 1pm session
    Gaya Ethaniel: Not sure I will make it :(
    Trevor Berensohn: I'll be at birthday ce3lcebrations
    Gaya Ethaniel: Time to go now ... hope you enjoy your day :)
    Trevor Berensohn: You too Gaya
    Scathach Rhiadra: bye Gaya, have a good weekend:)
    Bertrum Quan: Bye Gaya
    Trevor Berensohn: ...and then there were three
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Bertrum Quan: two during the day and one at night!
    Scathach Rhiadra nods:)
    Trevor Berensohn: Yup
    Trevor Berensohn: Hey I didn't know my AV nods
    Scathach Rhiadra: ha, you have only noticed now?
    Trevor Berensohn: Lol I guess I've been focused on other things til now
    Bertrum Quan: Will you both be attending the 1PM session?
    Scathach Rhiadra: I hope to
    Trevor Berensohn: I most likely can't.. my mom's birthday
    Bertrum Quan: Unlikely for me, too...
    Bertrum Quan: The logs will convey a sense of it...
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes they will:)
    Trevor Berensohn: Well, I'd best be off
    Trevor Berensohn: So good to see y'all
    Scathach Rhiadra: well, time for me to go, have a good night Bertrum, enjoy your Mom's birthday Trevor:)
    Bertrum Quan: Bye Trevor
    Bertrum Quan: Bye Scath

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