2009.12.19 19:00 - Solstices, Winter & Summer

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera. The comments are by Pema Pera.

    Pema Pera: hey, Avastu!
    Pema Pera: good to see you again
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
    Pema Pera: how have you been?
    Avastu Maruti: perfect as always - and you?
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: pretty good too
    Pema Pera: how are your nonduality sessions going, has there been some changes in the mean time?
    Avastu Maruti: they are going on as usual - only a change in location
    Avastu Maruti: and this location is nice, my friend
    Avastu Maruti: do you like it better than the old place?
    Pema Pera: thanks! Storm has done a great job, as usual, in building this
    Avastu Maruti: yes
    Pema Pera: this has a bit more room for more people, for one thing
    Avastu Maruti: have their been many attendees?
    Pema Pera: it is also close to the welcome center, and occasionally we get random visitors who are new to SL, which is interesting
    Pema Pera: yes, our group is steadily growing
    Pema Pera: we often have ten to fifteen or more people gathering here for a session
    Pema Pera: the 1 pm sessions are most popular, when Europe and the US overlap in time
    Avastu Maruti: yes - SL is great to allow for an ever-smaller world
    Pema Pera: yes indeed!
    Pema Pera: are there some lessons you have learned from holding those sessions for a couple years now, something that you might be able to express in a few words?
    Pema Pera: hi Calvino!
    Avastu Maruti: nothing to express
    Avastu Maruti: it comes as it comes
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello, Pema and hmm, three others. Avastu
    Pema Pera: Hi Eden and hi Marvin!
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friends
    Marvin Dailey: Hi! ツ
    Eden Haiku: Hi!
    Pema Pera: Marvin, have you been here before?
    Marvin Dailey: no
    Pema Pera: we get together a few times a day to chat about the nature of reality, and everything else, and we have a wiki http://playasbeing.wik.is/ -- We record our conversations there. Do you mind being included in our blogs?
    Marvin Dailey: first time
    Marvin Dailey: it's ok
    Pema Pera: thank you!
    Pema Pera: I see you are from Brasil, I myself are from Holland originally
    Pema Pera: always nice to meet people here with so many different backgrounds!
    I introduced Avastu, an oldtimer PaB participant.
    Pema Pera: Eden and Calvino, have you met Avastu before? He has been visiting us since we started, early last year, and he has his own Advaita, Non-Duality, group in SL.
    Eden Haiku: Yes, I had the pleasure to attend one session here while Avastu was attending too. ;-)
    Calvino Rabeni: I am not sure, that might have happened :) Good to meet you,Avastu.
    Eden Haiku: Aren't you connected with the Guru Cafe also Avastu?
    Avastu Maruti: yes, my friend
    Eden Haiku: I went there one evening but there was nobody: I watched part of a video.
    Eden Haiku: About Vedanta .
    Eden Haiku: Nice flexi skirt Eliza!
    Pema Pera: Hi Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Everyone :))
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks Eden... I do like this one :)
    Eliza Madrigal: and you look dazzling :)
    Avastu Maruti: hello my friend
    Eliza Madrigal: Hello Avastu! Long time no see :)
    Eden Haiku: There is a kind of red crinoline under the skirt, that is so lovely!
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Sorry to be late. Don't let me interrupt
    Pema Pera: we hadn't really started yet, Eliza :)
    Pema Pera: does anyone like to bring up a question, observation, idea?
    Eden Haiku: We decorated our Christmas tree today.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: nice ritual!
    Eden Haiku: It is like having the soul of the forest indoors.
    Eden Haiku: The sosltice of winter is tomorrow? Or the 21st? The light will be back.
    Marvin Dailey: 21st isn't it?
    Marvin Dailey: to me, summer.
    Pema Pera: yes, no snow for you in Brasil, I take it :)
    Eden Haiku: Yes, how do you call this solstice in Rio then? It is the 20th this year, I just checked.
    Eden Haiku: Do you call it the summer solstice?
    Marvin Dailey: yes
    Eden Haiku: A different reality ;-)
    and a session title!
    Calvino Rabeni: Funny there is no objective term for it
    Calvino Rabeni: Independent of which hemisphere you are in
    Marvin Dailey: how so?
    Calvino Rabeni: you call "it" summer solstice, I call "it" winter solstice
    Calvino Rabeni: but "it" has no name
    Marvin Dailey: but what is this "it"?
    Eden Haiku: Pema, is the sun getting closer to the earth at the solstice in the Southern hemisphere as well?
    Calvino Rabeni: The position of the earth and sun relative to some framework greater than which hemisphere the observer is in
    Pema Pera: not closer, Eden
    Calvino Rabeni: I assume that such a designation is formalizable in some way
    Calvino Rabeni: THere is not a complete symmetry in the orbit
    Marvin Dailey: yes, it makes the day larger in southern hemisphere an shorter in northerm hemisphere
    Pema Pera: it has to do with the fact that the rotation of the Earth, the direction of the poles, makes an angle with the orbit of the Earth
    Marvin Dailey: but in the middle of the year the contrary happens.
    Pema Pera: would be easiest to draw on a blackboard :)
    Eden Haiku: Should have listened to my science teachers more ;-)
    Marvin Dailey: ㋡
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) Eden
    Calvino Rabeni: the solstice has a different time difference from apogee in north and south versions
    Calvino Rabeni: So in a sense there are two of them per year with that difference
    Eden Haiku: This year, we almost did notb feel the darkening of the light in my area.
    Pema Pera: the north pole is turned away from the sun during North winter, and more toward the sun during North summer -- it
    Eden Haiku: WE had wonderful sunny skies all November and December, mostly,
    Marvin Dailey: i never feel it here in Rio de Janeiro.
    Pema Pera: it is the other way around for the South pole
    Marvin Dailey: it seems the same all year long, since we are closer to equator
    Pema Pera: do you have a rainy season, Marvin?
    Marvin Dailey: not exactly
    Marvin Dailey: summer is when it rains most...
    Eden Haiku: But you had flood recently didn't you?
    Marvin Dailey: but we coulb be long time o rainy days on other seasons...
    Marvin Dailey: yes
    Marvin Dailey: we had...
    Marvin Dailey: it usually occurs in summer
    Eliza Madrigal has similar conditions in Miami... few cold days and rainy Summers :) Lots of Brazilians, too :)
    Marvin Dailey: ㋡ yes
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eden Haiku: Floods in Florida recently too isn'it Eliza?
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm not sure Eden, not so much where I am fortunately
    Eliza Madrigal: It will rain for Christmas though
    Eliza Madrigal: A little odd while others are in snow :)
    Eden Haiku: Oh no white Christmas for you.
    Eliza Madrigal: Alas, no
    Marvin Dailey: here in Brazil, we suffering with floods only in southerm part of the country... we it is colder.
    We continued talking about various aspects of Christmas.
    Eden Haiku: Wiil you still be in Japan for Christmas Pema?
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Hana! :)
    Eden Haiku: hello Hana.
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you
    Pema Pera: hi there, Hana!
    Hana Furlough: hello everyone!
    Marvin Dailey: Hello!! ツ Hana
    Pema Pera: I'll be in Japan till mid January, Eden
    Pema Pera: Christmas is just a normal workday here though
    Pema Pera: the first several days of January is the big vacation period
    Eden Haiku: Do they celebrate Christmas over there? In a small scale maybe? I had a catholic japanese pen pal when I was a teenager,,
    Pema Pera: not really, in any formal way at least
    Pema Pera: although they play Christmas songs over and over and over again in coffeeshops
    Marvin Dailey: :D
    Eliza Madrigal: ohhh of all things to keep
    Pema Pera: "I saw mammy kissing Santa Claus"
    Pema Pera: etc
    Eliza Madrigal grins
    Eden Haiku: yes...of all things...;-)
    Hana Furlough: lol!!
    Eden Haiku: Universal...
    Pema Pera: and Christmas eve somehow became a big dating evening
    Pema Pera: who knows why :)
    Hana Furlough: wow it's snowing in 2nd life, too!
    Eden Haiku: ;-)
    Marvin Dailey: here in Brazil, in big cities, i think Christmas is not a religious date anymore.
    Marvin Dailey: people talk about anything but Jesus and his legacy.
    Eden Haiku: The return of the light was also celebrated in pagan times, before Christ. We are returning to pagan times maybe ;-)
    Pema Pera: even though we now created a lot of light ourselves . . .
    Pema Pera: so much that we can't really see the night sky in the cities
    Eliza Madrigal nods
    Eden Haiku: In the Course of Miracles, remember: turning on the light and all darkness is dissolved.
    Pema Pera: kids growing up in a city may have never seen the Milky Way . . . .
    Eden Haiku: The Milky Way: such a poetic name...
    Pema Pera: they call it the Silver River in Japan
    Eden Haiku: The milk of human kindness,
    Eden Haiku: Silver River, oh that is beautiful!
    Eliza Madrigal: Ahhh, now that's pretty, too
    Eliza Madrigal: I do enjoy the twinkling lights about at this time of year, and actually it is the only time I feel the urge to go to mass.. too tired by midnight though :)
    Pema Pera: is mass at midnight, for Christmas?
    Eliza Madrigal: Christmas Eve
    Eden Haiku: It used to be.
    Eden Haiku: Now they often do it earlier.
    Eliza Madrigal: I wasn't raised Catholic, but often was out with friends and we'd have to go :) Became a pattern :)
    Pema Pera: nice idea, celebrating the return of the light at midnight!
    Eden Haiku: We planned to go at a very old church nearby (18th century, that is old here).But i don,t know if they still have it at midnight.
    Eliza Madrigal: I love it.. a very particular feeling... as are Sunrise services in Protestant churches...
    Eden Haiku: They used to have 3 masses one after the other , the last one finished around 3 o,clock a.m.
    Pema Pera: wow!
    Eden Haiku: And then people would have family reunions after that. In my grandparents' time
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eden Haiku: Tough people;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: hehe..resilient :)
    Pema Pera: in the olden days, for farmers there was not much else to do in December, I guess . . . .
    Eden Haiku: I remember falling asleep on my aunts's fur coats after the midnight mass. Loved their pefrumes!
    Eden Haiku: Yes, that was the big trip!
    Eliza Madrigal: Nice to see you all. I've got to go. Have a lovely rest of the evening/day
    Pema Pera: bye Eliza!
    Eden Haiku: Going to mass in a sleigh with heated bricks to warm your feet up!
    Eden Haiku: Bye Eliza!
    Pema Pera: I'll have to get going too -- lunch calling
    Hana Furlough: bye eliza!
    Eden Haiku: Bye Pema Have a nice lunch!
    Hana Furlough: bye pema!
    Avastu Maruti: good bye my friend
    Marvin Dailey: bye, Pema
    Pema Pera: bye everybody
    Eden Haiku: I wil be going too. Bye everyone!
    Hana Furlough: and me as well
    Hana Furlough: goodnight all!
    Marvin Dailey waves...
    Calvino Rabeni: Good night Marvin!
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