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The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.

This week thoughts of PaB as a creative process and dropping as essential for collaboration swirled around my head.....

This session took place after the PaB "end of year" Party. Mst of the Particiants for from the group I met there

Eliza Madrigal: Well fancy meeting you two here :)

stevenaia Michinaga: hopefully this won;t be a party cooler

Eliza Madrigal: a misty wind-down session?

stevenaia Michinaga: the falling snow off or has it just not rezzed for me yet

Eliza Madrigal: it goes in waves

Eliza Madrigal: haha

stevenaia Michinaga: now we can all breathe the cold air

Eliza Madrigal: Neat, Steve!

Eliza Madrigal: especially nice for me in the 70* weather in Miami

Eos Amaterasu: it's -13 C here in RL

Eliza Madrigal: wow

Eliza Madrigal: I romanticize the cold, but I imagine that's a lot of work!

stevenaia Michinaga: only from Miami

Eliza Madrigal: :)

stevenaia Michinaga: I have been running though a number of things related to my work and play and life recently...wonders where to start

stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps PaB related 1st

Eliza Madrigal listens

stevenaia Michinaga: the other night it struck me that PaB is a very creative process, which aside involving ones imagination and focus (which reminds me of work, a good thing about my work)

stevenaia Michinaga: I realized that the creative process is also about dropping

stevenaia Michinaga: you cannot create an idea without changing something into something else

stevenaia Michinaga: either by integrating the idea into the next idea, or by simply tossing out one thought and replacing it with another

stevenaia Michinaga: (dropping)

Eos Amaterasu: letting go, letting come

stevenaia Michinaga: when the process of creativity becomes fluid, it is a flow, no "ownership", just motion of ideas

stevenaia Michinaga: *ownership

stevenaia Michinaga: after all, how can you own an idea anyway, the ego owns ideas

Eliza Madrigal: seems the nature of spontaneity

stevenaia Michinaga: yes

Eliza Madrigal: someone in a session this morning, said that when you own things you become a slave to yourself...

Eos Amaterasu: you've been fool enough to think that you possess your own projections (quote quote)

Eliza Madrigal: hm, it is a persistent illusion though....

stevenaia Michinaga: but the key is to not stop the flow, let the mind move

stevenaia Michinaga: I often work collaboratively with people, in the end a lovely thing emerges and I really never notices "where" or who each part comes from, as it's all an integrated solution

stevenaia Michinaga: the process is what's important

Eliza Madrigal: so each of you relinquishes to the larger vision?

stevenaia Michinaga: and an acceptance of.... the next better idea

stevenaia Michinaga: wherever it comes from

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal: Ah, now I see... not attached to getting/owning credit, so you're honestly able to be fully generous and open!

stevenaia Michinaga: nods, very difficult for some people

Eliza Madrigal: forgetting the self in the creative outpouring and process

Eos Amaterasu: the thing emerged from openness, it is let go into openness

Eliza Madrigal: mmm

Eliza Madrigal: but yes we're kind of conditioned to think that the point of work is to get credit... so can be difficult

stevenaia Michinaga: like designing a sphere, each person brings some wedge shaped part of the puzzle, but when you assemble the parts you get a sphere, something unexpected and perfect, incomplete without the other parts

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Eos Amaterasu: a click happens

Eos Amaterasu: and then you move on

Eos Amaterasu: that the click happened is more important than exactly how it happened

Eos Amaterasu: if you try to find the click in the how you probably won't

Eliza Madrigal nods, yes... looking for the how of the click... maybe to own it and it won't be owned :)

stevenaia Michinaga: the trick is to understand that each part is not the solution

Eos Amaterasu: even though the details of the parts are important

stevenaia Michinaga: thinking abut Being is the same way, the importance of the process, not the content

stevenaia Michinaga: working your mind 9 seconds at a time

Eliza Madrigal: the process of continually letting go of results... ?

Eos Amaterasu: u mean each 9 seconds is a 9 seconds?

stevenaia Michinaga: not, I mean not to be "stuck" with expectation

Eos Amaterasu: "the bandits of hope and fear"

Eliza Madrigal: Nothing left to do...

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

stevenaia Michinaga: looks for quote....

Eos Amaterasu: Busted flat, in Baton Rouge, ...

Eliza Madrigal: waiting for a train...

Eliza Madrigal: or a miracle to come...

Eliza Madrigal: (sorry still Leonard on the brain from earlier) heheh

stevenaia Michinaga: :)

Wol Euler arrives

stevenaia Michinaga: hello WolEden Haiku: joins us

Eos Amaterasu: even with "going nowhere", there is creative ferment..... bubble bubble

Eos Amaterasu: speaking of which.... :-)

Eliza Madrigal: Hey Wol!

Wol Euler: hello eos, eliza, steve

stevenaia Michinaga: welcome

Eliza Madrigal: You look stunning :)

Wol Euler grins. thank you

stevenaia Michinaga: not dressed for the weather

Wol Euler: it has to be summer *somewhere*

Eliza Madrigal: yes need a scarf...

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal looks for Alfred

Eliza Madrigal: :) Nice coat

Wol Euler: warmer :)

Eos Amaterasu: boxing day sale?

Wol Euler: on sale, yes :)

Wol Euler: there is a male version too

Eliza Madrigal: St Stephen's!

stevenaia Michinaga: my friend in New Zealand say they have a month off for new year every summer

Wol Euler: heh

stevenaia Michinaga: makes more sense

Eos Amaterasu: no wonder they're a half-year off :-)

Eliza Madrigal: hahaha

Wol Euler: it would be tempting to spend a half-year in each hemisphere, bypassing winter

stevenaia Michinaga: we call that california here

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Eliza Madrigal: Ah, one thinks so... but always summer never winter is a little dull...

Wol Euler: true

stevenaia Michinaga: leaves never drop

Eliza Madrigal: though one does deeply appreciate every cool breeze when living in a constantly warm climate...

Eliza Madrigal: seeing everyone rush outside

Wol Euler smiles.

Eliza Madrigal: out come the bikes and skates and kites and frizbees...

Wol Euler: is this the all-day NYE party?

Eos Amaterasu: it was, or maybe it's moved here

Eliza Madrigal: :) Yes we partied like rock stars... hehe

Wol Euler: oh dear

Eos Amaterasu: like it was 1999

Eliza Madrigal: hahah

Wol Euler looks around for broken sheep and TVs

Eliza Madrigal: what happens in the village, stays in the village

Wol Euler grins.

stevenaia Michinaga: laughs

stevenaia Michinaga: earlier, Wol, we were talking about the creativity of PaB as a process of building thought and of letting go

Wol Euler: ah

Wol Euler: sounds about right.

Eliza Madrigal: and that at play in the process of collaboration with others

stevenaia Michinaga: a very familiar process

stevenaia Michinaga: the more one does not let go, the more difficult collaboration is

Wol Euler: indeed

Wol Euler: hard to collaborate effectively without subduing the ego (to some extent)

Eliza Madrigal nods... fear of not being noticed and acknowledged for efforts, etc

Eos Amaterasu: the openness is more rewarding than the solidity

Eliza Madrigal: yes, maybe once you see or get a sense of that...

Eliza Madrigal: and to do that have to just do that! :)

Wol Euler: so we *must* start at the end.

Eos Amaterasu: "open space cannot be perceived by otherwise at all"

--BELL--

Eliza Madrigal nods... yes think we must!

Eliza Madrigal: hmm

Eliza Madrigal: What a day

Eos Amaterasu: hmm? a thought like honey, unexpressed essence still to come

Eliza Madrigal: :)

Wol Euler: :)

Eliza Madrigal: Hmmm like wow... se lah, let me ponder and let that bubble

Wol Euler: you need five more syllables for a haiku, eos.

Eliza Madrigal: :)))

stevenaia Michinaga: looks for Eden

Eliza Madrigal: the haikus are addictive...

Wol Euler: "words drift down like snow

Eos Amaterasu: :-)

Eos Amaterasu: there we go

Wol Euler: my alt does blogpostings in haiku sometimes, it's good fun

Wol Euler: if not good poetry

Wol Euler: -d

stevenaia Michinaga: you have a link?

Eliza Madrigal: :)... we've been twittering haikus a bit...

Wol Euler: not for the log :)

Eos Amaterasu: #playasbeing

Wol Euler: oooh cool (makes a note)

Eos Amaterasu: even an av animation dancing is strangely liberating

Wol Euler: so #pab is for pure PaB and #playasbeing is for applied?

Eos Amaterasu: ?

Wol Euler: well, there seem to be two tags in use

Eliza Madrigal: it really IS... I signed off earlier and couldn't stop.. danced with my daughters a while

Eliza Madrigal: Ah

Eos Amaterasu: #pab probably picks up too much

Wol Euler smiles to Eliza

Wol Euler: ooh, battery nearly gone, must find an outlet, brb

Eos Amaterasu: SL leaking into RL, Eliza

Eliza Madrigal: yes, though hopefully not too much with the actual dance moves...

Eliza Madrigal: haha

Wol Euler: yeah, most SL dances would break me into pieces if I attempted them in RL

Eliza Madrigal: hah

Eos Amaterasu thinks about reverse motion capture

stevenaia Michinaga: hehe, speaking of Eden

stevenaia Michinaga: hello

Eliza Madrigal: Hey Eden!

Wol Euler: hello eden

Eden Haiku: hey!

Eos Amaterasu: where the animation is overlaid on you

Wol Euler: might be painful, eos

Eos Amaterasu: HI Ede

Eliza Madrigal: Eden was quite the dj today, Wol

Wol Euler: O.O

Wol Euler: do tell

Eden Haiku: ;-) My pleasure.

Eden Haiku: I improvised Wol...

Wol Euler: how?

Eden Haiku: Through voice chat as Zen suggested. Directly from my i Tunes...

Wol Euler: :-O

--BELL--

Wol Euler: wow

Eos Amaterasu: You mean you played iTunes through a speaker which the mic picked up into SL?

Eden Haiku: I played I Tunes from the computer, directly.

Eliza Madrigal: :)) yup, she kept us going... will prob hear that one song in my dreams...

Eden Haiku: Turned on vocal chat button.

Wol Euler: wow

Eden Haiku: Psychic City! I love Psychic City! ;-)

Eliza Madrigal: :))

Wol Euler: :)

Eden Haiku: You could not make it to the party Wol?

Eliza Madrigal: I'm nearly asleep though... quite a day... starting with my session this morning

Eliza Madrigal: Thanks all. Nite :)

Eos Amaterasu: I will leave both SL and RL in favor of DL (or SL as Sleep Land)...

Wol Euler: goodnight eliza, take care

Wol Euler: bye eos, sleep well

Eos Amaterasu: 'night ELiza, Eden, Steve, Wol

Eden Haiku: Oh yes, sorry I missed it Eliza. We had lots of visitors in Rl today.

Wol Euler: eden, I'm flying home tomorrow, had to spend the evening with my parents

Eliza Madrigal: Night Eos, Everyone :)

Eos Amaterasu: good night

Eden Haiku: Bye Eliza.

Eden Haiku: oh, I see. ;-)

Eden Haiku: How was your stay at home?

Eden Haiku: *stay

stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off too

Eden Haiku: Bye Steve.

Wol Euler: mixed, mostly very good, but my mother really needs to learn to let go :)

stevenaia Michinaga: if I don;t see you have a happy new year

Wol Euler: goodnight steve, take care, happy new year

stevenaia Michinaga: thx

Wol Euler: yep

Wol Euler: forcing food into us with funnels.

Eden Haiku: Does she find it hard that you live so far away?

Wol Euler: three-course breakfasts

Eden Haiku: ;-)

Wol Euler: yes, that is part of it of course.

Eden Haiku: Mother love ;-)

Wol Euler: My sister lives 4 hrs by air away

Wol Euler: so she feels a bit isolated

Eden Haiku: She wants to make sure they will feed you in germany, and just un case they don,t ;-)

Wol Euler: and having grown up on a farm she associates hospitality with "giving far too much"

Eden Haiku: Yes, I know what you mean...

Wol Euler: if there isn't enough food on the table to feed twice as many guests as present, she feels she has failed

Wol Euler: and if we leave any of it, she feels rejected

Eden Haiku: Don,T tell me... I'm hosting the family New Year party for 12 guests and we have food for at least 24. Want to come? ;-)

Wol Euler: heheheheh

Wol Euler: you can raise a glass to me, I'll be passing over Montreal at around 23:15 tomorrow if all goes to plan

Eden Haiku: I will think of you! So is your suitcase ready?

Wol Euler: not yet, tomorrow morning. Tomorrow will be my busiest day of the holiday

Wol Euler: most of the time we just sat around and ate and talked

Wol Euler: how is your holiday going?

Eden Haiku: When we spend many hours with family, we end up feeling something much deeper don,t you think so?

Eden Haiku: It is like it takes a while to synchronize...

Wol Euler: mmhmm, that is very true

Eden Haiku: Kind of family lag maybe ;-)

Wol Euler: ha! yes

Wol Euler: waiting for the gears to mesh

Eden Haiku: By the time everybody is in tune, it is time to leave!

Eden Haiku: yes, gears!

Eden Haiku: I think I better help my boyfriend do the dishes. I was on voice chat and requested absolute silence after dinner...;-)

Wol Euler: :)))))))

Wol Euler: yes, they deserve their reward

Eden Haiku: It was very nice being with you before you fly back to Europe.

Wol Euler: I'm glad you dropped in

Eden Haiku: I felt closer to you since you are in Toronto ;-)

Wol Euler: I probably won't be on tomorrow, so "happy new year" to you.

Eden Haiku: Bye for now and have safe trip. I wish you all your dreams come true in the coming year!

Wol Euler: thank you! same to you, Eden. take care

Eden Haiku: *I foresee a safe journey.

Wol Euler smiles. Your word in gods'ears.

Eden Haiku: ;-)

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