2009.12.30 19:00 - Creative+Collaborative

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    The Guardian for this meeting was stevenaia Michinaga. The comments are by stevenaia Michinaga.
    This week thoughts of PaB as a creative process and dropping as essential for collaboration swirled around my head.....


     This session took place after the PaB "end of year" Party. Mst of the Particiants for  from the group I met there


    Eliza Madrigal: Well fancy meeting you two here :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: hopefully this won;t be a party cooler
    Eliza Madrigal: a misty wind-down session?
    stevenaia Michinaga: the falling snow off or has it just not rezzed for me yet
    Eliza Madrigal: it goes in waves
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    stevenaia Michinaga: now we can all breathe the cold air
    Eliza Madrigal: Neat, Steve!
    Eliza Madrigal: especially nice for me in the 70* weather in Miami
    Eos Amaterasu: it's -13 C here in RL
    Eliza Madrigal: wow
    Eliza Madrigal: I romanticize the cold, but I imagine that's a lot of work!
    stevenaia Michinaga: only from Miami
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I have been running though a number of things related to my work and play and life recently...wonders where to start
    stevenaia Michinaga: perhaps PaB related 1st
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    stevenaia Michinaga: the other night it struck me that PaB is a very creative process, which aside involving ones imagination and focus (which reminds me of work, a good thing about my work)
    stevenaia Michinaga: I realized that the creative process is also about dropping
    stevenaia Michinaga: you cannot create an idea without changing something into something else
    stevenaia Michinaga: either by integrating the idea into the next idea, or by simply tossing out one thought and replacing it with another
    stevenaia Michinaga: (dropping)
    Eos Amaterasu: letting go, letting come
    stevenaia Michinaga: when the process of creativity becomes fluid, it is a flow, no "ownership", just motion of ideas
    stevenaia Michinaga: *ownership
    stevenaia Michinaga: after all, how can you own an idea anyway, the ego owns ideas
    Eliza Madrigal: seems the nature of spontaneity
    stevenaia Michinaga: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: someone in a session this morning, said that when you own things you become a slave to yourself...
    Eos Amaterasu: you've been fool enough to think that you possess your own projections (quote quote)
    Eliza Madrigal: hm, it is a persistent illusion though....
    stevenaia Michinaga: but the key is to not stop the flow, let the mind move
    stevenaia Michinaga: I often work collaboratively with people, in the end a lovely thing emerges and I really never notices "where" or who each part comes from, as it's all an integrated solution
    stevenaia Michinaga: the process is what's important
    Eliza Madrigal: so each of you relinquishes to the larger vision?
    stevenaia Michinaga: and an acceptance of.... the next better idea
    stevenaia Michinaga: wherever it comes from
    --BELL--
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, now I see... not attached to getting/owning credit, so you're honestly able to be fully generous and open!
    stevenaia Michinaga: nods, very difficult for some people
    Eliza Madrigal: forgetting the self in the creative outpouring and process
    Eos Amaterasu: the thing emerged from openness, it is let go into openness
    Eliza Madrigal: mmm
    Eliza Madrigal: but yes we're kind of conditioned to think that the point of work is to get credit... so can be difficult
    stevenaia Michinaga: like designing a sphere, each person brings some wedge shaped part of the puzzle, but when you assemble the parts you get a sphere, something unexpected and perfect, incomplete without the other parts
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Eos Amaterasu: a click happens
    Eos Amaterasu: and then you move on
    Eos Amaterasu: that the click happened is more important than exactly how it happened
    Eos Amaterasu: if you try to find the click in the how you probably won't
    Eliza Madrigal nods, yes... looking for the how of the click... maybe to own it and it won't be owned :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: the trick is to understand that each part is not the solution
    Eos Amaterasu: even though the details of the parts are important
    stevenaia Michinaga: thinking abut Being is the same way, the importance of the process, not the content
    stevenaia Michinaga: working your mind 9 seconds at a time
    Eliza Madrigal: the process of continually letting go of results... ?
    Eos Amaterasu: u mean each 9 seconds is a 9 seconds?
    stevenaia Michinaga: not, I mean not to be "stuck" with expectation
    Eos Amaterasu: "the bandits of hope and fear"
    Eliza Madrigal: Nothing left to do...
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    stevenaia Michinaga: looks for quote....
    Eos Amaterasu: Busted flat, in Baton Rouge, ...
    Eliza Madrigal: waiting for a train...
    Eliza Madrigal: or a miracle to come...
    Eliza Madrigal: (sorry still Leonard on the brain from earlier) heheh
    stevenaia Michinaga: :)

    Wol Euler arrives

    stevenaia Michinaga: hello Wol
    Eos Amaterasu: even with "going nowhere", there is creative ferment..... bubble bubble
    Eos Amaterasu: speaking of which.... :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hey Wol!
    Wol Euler: hello eos, eliza, steve
    stevenaia Michinaga: welcome
    Eliza Madrigal: You look stunning :)
    Wol Euler grins. thank you
    stevenaia Michinaga: not dressed for the weather
    Wol Euler: it has to be summer *somewhere*
    Eliza Madrigal: yes need a scarf...
    --BELL--
    Eliza Madrigal looks for Alfred
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Nice coat
    Wol Euler: warmer :)
    Eos Amaterasu: boxing day sale?
    Wol Euler: on sale, yes :)
    Wol Euler: there is a male version too
    Eliza Madrigal: St Stephen's!
    stevenaia Michinaga: my friend in New Zealand say they have a month off for new year every summer
    Wol Euler: heh
    stevenaia Michinaga: makes more sense
    Eos Amaterasu: no wonder they're a half-year off :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: hahaha
    Wol Euler: it would be tempting to spend a half-year in each hemisphere, bypassing winter
    stevenaia Michinaga: we call that california here
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah, one thinks so... but always summer never winter is a little dull...
    Wol Euler: true
    stevenaia Michinaga: leaves never drop
    Eliza Madrigal: though one does deeply appreciate every cool breeze when living in a constantly warm climate...
    Eliza Madrigal: seeing everyone rush outside
    Wol Euler smiles.
    Eliza Madrigal: out come the bikes and skates and kites and frizbees...
    Wol Euler: is this the all-day NYE party?
    Eos Amaterasu: it was, or maybe it's moved here
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Yes we partied like rock stars... hehe
    Wol Euler: oh dear
    Eos Amaterasu: like it was 1999
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Wol Euler looks around for broken sheep and TVs
    Eliza Madrigal: what happens in the village, stays in the village
    Wol Euler grins.
    stevenaia Michinaga: laughs
    stevenaia Michinaga: earlier, Wol, we were talking about the creativity of PaB as a process of building thought and of letting go
    Wol Euler: ah
    Wol Euler: sounds about right.
    Eliza Madrigal: and that at play in the process of collaboration with others
    stevenaia Michinaga: a very familiar process
    stevenaia Michinaga: the more one does not let go, the more difficult collaboration is
    Wol Euler: indeed
    Wol Euler: hard to collaborate effectively without subduing the ego (to some extent)
    Eliza Madrigal nods... fear of not being noticed and acknowledged for efforts, etc
    Eos Amaterasu: the openness is more rewarding than the solidity
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, maybe once you see or get a sense of that...
    Eliza Madrigal: and to do that have to just do that! :)
    Wol Euler: so we *must* start at the end.
    Eos Amaterasu: "open space cannot be perceived by otherwise at all"
    --BELL--
    Eliza Madrigal nods... yes think we must!
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm
    Eliza Madrigal: What a day
    Eos Amaterasu: hmm? a thought like honey, unexpressed essence still to come
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: Hmmm like wow... se lah, let me ponder and let that bubble
    Wol Euler: you need five more syllables for a haiku, eos.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)))
    stevenaia Michinaga: looks for Eden
    Eliza Madrigal: the haikus are addictive...
    Wol Euler: "words drift down like snow
    Eos Amaterasu: :-)
    Eos Amaterasu: there we go
    Wol Euler: my alt does blogpostings in haiku sometimes, it's good fun
    Wol Euler: if not good poetry
    Wol Euler: -d
    stevenaia Michinaga: you have a link?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)... we've been twittering haikus a bit...
    Wol Euler: not for the log :)
    Eos Amaterasu: #playasbeing
    Wol Euler: oooh cool (makes a note)
    Eos Amaterasu: even an av animation dancing is strangely liberating
    Wol Euler: so #pab is for pure PaB and #playasbeing is for applied?
    Eos Amaterasu: ?
    Wol Euler: well, there seem to be two tags in use
    Eliza Madrigal: it really IS... I signed off earlier and couldn't stop.. danced with my daughters a while
    Eliza Madrigal: Ah
    Eos Amaterasu: #pab probably picks up too much
    Wol Euler smiles to Eliza
    Wol Euler: ooh, battery nearly gone, must find an outlet, brb
    Eos Amaterasu: SL leaking into RL, Eliza
    Eliza Madrigal: yes, though hopefully not too much with the actual dance moves...
    Eliza Madrigal: haha
    Wol Euler: yeah, most SL dances would break me into pieces if I attempted them in RL
    Eliza Madrigal: hah
    Eos Amaterasu thinks about reverse motion capture

    Eden Haiku: joins us

    stevenaia Michinaga: hehe, speaking of Eden
    stevenaia Michinaga: hello
    Eliza Madrigal: Hey Eden!
    Wol Euler: hello eden
    Eden Haiku: hey!
    Eos Amaterasu: where the animation is overlaid on you
    Wol Euler: might be painful, eos
    Eos Amaterasu: HI Ede
    Eliza Madrigal: Eden was quite the dj today, Wol
    Wol Euler: O.O
    Wol Euler: do tell
    Eden Haiku: ;-) My pleasure.
    Eden Haiku: I improvised Wol...
    Wol Euler: how?
    Eden Haiku: Through voice chat as Zen suggested. Directly from my i Tunes...
    Wol Euler: :-O
    --BELL--
    Wol Euler: wow
    Eos Amaterasu: You mean you played iTunes through a speaker which the mic picked up into SL?
    Eden Haiku: I played I Tunes from the computer, directly.
    Eliza Madrigal: :)) yup, she kept us going... will prob hear that one song in my dreams...
    Eden Haiku: Turned on vocal chat button.
    Wol Euler: wow
    Eden Haiku: Psychic City! I love Psychic City! ;-)
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Wol Euler: :)
    Eden Haiku: You could not make it to the party Wol?
    Eliza Madrigal: I'm nearly asleep though... quite a day... starting with my session this morning
    Eliza Madrigal: Thanks all. Nite :)
    Eos Amaterasu: I will leave both SL and RL in favor of DL (or SL as Sleep Land)...
    Wol Euler: goodnight eliza, take care
    Wol Euler: bye eos, sleep well
    Eos Amaterasu: 'night ELiza, Eden, Steve, Wol
    Eden Haiku: Oh yes, sorry I missed it Eliza. We had lots of visitors in Rl today.
    Wol Euler: eden, I'm flying home tomorrow, had to spend the evening with my parents
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Eos, Everyone :)
    Eos Amaterasu: good night
    Eden Haiku: Bye Eliza.
    Eden Haiku: oh, I see. ;-)
    Eden Haiku: How was your stay at home?
    Eden Haiku: *stay
    stevenaia Michinaga: I must be off too
    Eden Haiku: Bye Steve.
    Wol Euler: mixed, mostly very good, but my mother really needs to learn to let go :)
    stevenaia Michinaga: if I don;t see you have a happy new year
    Wol Euler: goodnight steve, take care, happy new year
    stevenaia Michinaga: thx
    Wol Euler: yep

    Wol Euler: forcing food into us with funnels.
    Eden Haiku: Does she find it hard that you live so far away?
    Wol Euler: three-course breakfasts
    Eden Haiku: ;-)
    Wol Euler: yes, that is part of it of course.
    Eden Haiku: Mother love ;-)
    Wol Euler: My sister lives 4 hrs by air away
    Wol Euler: so she feels a bit isolated
    Eden Haiku: She wants to make sure they will feed you in germany, and just un case they don,t ;-)
    Wol Euler: and having grown up on a farm she associates hospitality with "giving far too much"
    Eden Haiku: Yes, I know what you mean...
    Wol Euler: if there isn't enough food on the table to feed twice as many guests as present, she feels she has failed
    Wol Euler: and if we leave any of it, she feels rejected
    Eden Haiku: Don,T tell me... I'm hosting the family New Year party for 12 guests and we have food for at least 24. Want to come? ;-)
    Wol Euler: heheheheh
    Wol Euler: you can raise a glass to me, I'll be passing over Montreal at around 23:15 tomorrow if all goes to plan
    Eden Haiku: I will think of you! So is your suitcase ready?
    Wol Euler: not yet, tomorrow morning. Tomorrow will be my busiest day of the holiday
    Wol Euler: most of the time we just sat around and ate and talked
    Wol Euler: how is your holiday going?
    Eden Haiku: When we spend many hours with family, we end up feeling something much deeper don,t you think so?
    Eden Haiku: It is like it takes a while to synchronize...
    Wol Euler: mmhmm, that is very true
    Eden Haiku: Kind of family lag maybe ;-)
    Wol Euler: ha! yes
    Wol Euler: waiting for the gears to mesh
    Eden Haiku: By the time everybody is in tune, it is time to leave!
    Eden Haiku: yes, gears!
    Eden Haiku: I think I better help my boyfriend do the dishes. I was on voice chat and requested absolute silence after dinner...;-)
    Wol Euler: :)))))))
    Wol Euler: yes, they deserve their reward
    Eden Haiku: It was very nice being with you before you fly back to Europe.
    Wol Euler: I'm glad you dropped in
    Eden Haiku: I felt closer to you since you are in Toronto ;-)
    Wol Euler: I probably won't be on tomorrow, so "happy new year" to you.
    Eden Haiku: Bye for now and have safe trip. I wish you all your dreams come true in the coming year!
    Wol Euler: thank you! same to you, Eden. take care
    Eden Haiku: *I foresee a safe journey.
    Wol Euler smiles. Your word in gods'ears.
    Eden Haiku: ;-)
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