2010.03.13 01:00 - Learning & Wisdom

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Scathach Rhiadra. The comments are by Scathach Rhiadra.

    Bertrum Quan: Hi Sacth
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello bertrum!
    Bertrum Quan: How are you this morning?
    Scathach Rhiadra: fine thank you, and you?
    Bertrum Quan: I am fine this morning too.
    Scathach Rhiadra: have you any topic you would like to discuss?
    Bertrum Quan: No special topic comes to mind...
    Yakuzza Lethecus: morning
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Yakuzza
    Bertrum Quan: Hi Yakuzza
    Bertrum Quan: Do you have an issue or topic?
    Scathach Rhiadra: me? no
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, there are some things that come to my mind
    Scathach Rhiadra: please say more Yakuzza:)
    Yakuzza Lethecus: like this morning i took a look into a book bleu mentioned yesterday, and i saw in the preface the auther mentioning piet hut
    Yakuzza Lethecus: it was "introduction to phenomenology"
    Yakuzza Lethecus: he mentioned pema as one of many but still it was a ,,oh wow" moment :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: :)
    Bertrum Quan: How so?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: and some ppl yesterday mentioned that they are interested in existentialism and phenomenologie
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so sometimes i have the feeling that ppl around here are more philosophical in some sense then in the philo places where ppl throughing around fancy names
    Yakuzza Lethecus: but it´s still hard to really understand these kind of literature for me
    Yakuzza Lethecus: if it´s buddist,philosophical existantialist or phenomenological, hard for me to really get all the distinctions
    Yakuzza Lethecus: any of you always thought about these things ?
    Bertrum Quan: You mean the academic disctinctions?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: oh, the feeling that you really understand the topics and the differences
    Yakuzza Lethecus: or the feeling of facination but unability to get deeper into these thigns
    --BELL--
    Bertrum Quan: There is certainly a wealth of knowledge out there... and so much to learn.
    Bertrum Quan: Everyone has his/her limitations...
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes, I tried to read Sartre once, Being and Nothingness, got through about 10 pages several times and found it very dense
    Scathach Rhiadra: that type of philosophical writing is really for academics or trained philosophers maybe/
    Bertrum Quan: Yes, I agree.
    Bertrum Quan: One needs to have the background with the material to fully appreciate it.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: The issue of limitations triggers a big concern of myself, it´s to accept limitations but not to ,,know where they are" because i kind of knew that i suck in languages back when i was at school, and just through positive exposure with english i really got into it.
    Yakuzza Lethecus: But everytime i had an ,,explicit learning english" exposure i always thought about ,,oh dear, i suck in lanugages and i really accepted that and believed in that limitation"
    Scathach Rhiadra: a lay person could possibly take one philosophical system and study it thouroughly in a lifetime, but not all systems
    Yakuzza Lethecus: so sure there are limitations but i don´t know if we truely know our limitations except that we will die someday and that we learn slower when older
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Qt
    Yakuzza Lethecus: morning qt
    Qt Core: hi all
    Bertrum Quan: I'm not sure I can generalize what can or cannot do... I'm not sure there are any hard and fast rules.
    Bertrum Quan: Hi QT
    Qt Core: /
    Qt Core: Topic ?
    Qt Core: ty scath
    Yakuzza Lethecus: limitations,philosophy and a good morning to everryone :)
    Scathach Rhiadra: and is there not also a difference between academic and experiential learning
    Bertrum Quan: That's an important point!
    Bertrum Quan: Different ways (and perhaps levels) of knowing and/or feeling...
    Scathach Rhiadra nods
    --BELL--
    Bertrum Quan: The "spiritual" side of life it seems to me must be experienced in order to be true. The academic side is an expression of intellect.
    Scathach Rhiadra nods yes, i agree:)
    Bertrum Quan: Leanring can be very exciting--feeding one's intellect. But nurturing one's spiritual side, in my experience, is not based on academic theory. I feel academic discplines enrich us but they can also distance us from spiritual awareness.
    Qt Core: may non be exactly spirituality but i think it is quite fitting: http://xkcd.com/55/
    Scathach Rhiadra: it is interesting that some traditions recognise different types of wisdom, like 'prajna' and 'jnana'. Prajna is wisdom from understanding and jnana is directly experienced (i think!)
    Bertrum Quan: Scath, can you talk about that a bit more?
    --BELL--
    Scathach Rhiadra: well, prajna would be gained by reading and considering sutras and comenteries, hence the Prajnaparamitra Sutra = perfection of wisdom.....
    Scathach Rhiadra: sorry about the typos!
    Scathach Rhiadra: jnana would come from meditation and contemplation, awareness and insight
    Bertrum Quan: An integration of both... to create the whole.
    Scathach Rhiadra: yes:)
    Scathach Rhiadra: though if jnana is a more natural wisdom or the wisdom of our true nature, it would include all wisdom that we might gain from other sources like study
    Scathach Rhiadra: or maybe supercede might be a better word?
    Yakuzza Lethecus: bye everyone
    Scathach Rhiadra: have a good dy Yakuzza
    Qt Core: hi Arch
    --BELL--
    Archmage Atlantis: Came for the last minute :)
    Bertrum Quan: The hour has gone by quickly and I have to sign off. Thanks, Scath, Qt.
    Scathach Rhiadra: Hello Arch:)
    Scathach Rhiadra: thank you Bertrum, have a good night:)
    Qt Core: bye bert
    Bertrum Quan: Have a great day!
    Archmage Atlantis: Hello
    Scathach Rhiadra: I will have to go too, goodbye Qt, Arch, have a good day/night:)
    Scathach Rhiadra: Namasté
    Qt Core: bye scath
    Archmage Atlantis: Blessings and Namaste
    Archmage Atlantis: U2 QT, :)

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