2011.01.22 19:00 - How Do We See/Experience Playing as Being?

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    The Guardian for this meeting was Pema Pera.  The comments are by Pema Pera. This was one of our four weekly theme meetings on the topic of Being.  The four sessions are at Saturdays, 7 pm, Sundays, 1 pm, Mondays, 7 am, and Tuesdays, 1 am.

    Pema Pera: hi Rhia, and hi Aphro!
    Pema Pera: hi O too !
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Pema!
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Pema, Hi Rhi
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi OOO, Aphrodite
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Aph
    Rhiannon Dragoone: I'm on my text client, to conserve bandwidth
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Eliza with red hair...
    Pema Pera: and hi Eliza!
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Am I standing in an ok spot?
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Eliza!
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Pema Hi Rhi Hi oooOooooooooo
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Cal is coming, and i think druth too
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Aph, ob
    Pema Pera: hi observem
    oO0Oo Resident: hi Eliza
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi observem!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi everyone - do you mind if I bring my dinner with m?
    Aphrodite Macbain: me
    Eliza Madrigal: SL dinner? :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Cal :)
    Pema Pera: hi Cal and Druth!
    oO0Oo Resident: Hi Druth
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Druth :) Hi Cal :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: RL dinner
    Calvino Rabeni: Hello everyone
    Pema Pera: are you going to share your dinner, Aphro?
    Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Cal! Hi Druth!
    Rhiannon Dragoone: hmmm, dinner
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hi Rhi, Pema, Eliza, Calvino, druth Samuo
    druth Vlodovic: hey everyone
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Is everyone ok with where I'm standing? I'm on my text client.
    Eliza Madrigal: seem OK Rhi thanks
    Aphrodite Macbain: You are fine Rhi
    Calvino Rabeni: Fine thanks

    I introduced the format, of going around the circle.

    Pema Pera: shall we get started? This is yet another Being Theme session
    oO0Oo Resident: no worries Rhi
    Pema Pera: so as before we'll go clockwise around the circle
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Thanks, Cal, Aph, Eliza, OOO
    Pema Pera: and we can each say a few words about how we see/experience playing as Being
    Pema Pera: and when we're done we pass the baton to the person on our left
    Rhiannon Dragoone: I'm on Radegast, i could try sitting
    Pema Pera: and once we've made one round, we can all speak up in random order
    Pema Pera: would anyone like to start the circle?
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Before we start, be sure to tell me when it's my turn; i might not know
    Pema Pera: in that case, why don't you start, Rhia?
    Aphrodite Macbain: I can bgin- with a very short sentence
    Aphrodite Macbain: oops sorry
    Pema Pera: fine, Aphro!
    Pema Pera: go ahead!
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, heh, i'm not sure of the topic
    Pema Pera: go ahead, Aphrodite!
    Rhiannon Dragoone: please, go ahead, Aph


    Aphrodite Macbain: I was simply going to say that playing brings joy in being
    Rhiannon Dragoone: It will give me a chance to figure out what is going on
    Aphrodite Macbain: playing allows for freedom of expression, new doorways, new excitement - which for me lead to joy
    Aphrodite Macbain: That's all for now
    Pema Pera: thanks, Aphrodite!
    Pema Pera: O?
    oO0Oo Resident: ty


    oO0Oo Resident: for me
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Um, I didn't see any of Aph's text
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Except 'that's all for now.'
    Aphrodite Macbain: Can you scroll back?
    Eliza Madrigal: Rhi you may want to just wait a while for it to show up... usually does in time :)
    Eliza Madrigal listens
    Pema Pera: yes, Sam?
    Rhiannon Dragoone: yeah, i'm really laggy with this bandwith, eliza
    Aphrodite Macbain: oo)oo?
    oO0Oo Resident: a potentially unconditioned space, out of which textures of grasping and letting go can be experienced and, then released in/out of play.. and yes...often joy...upliftment...being, and just being
    oO0Oo Resident: [done]
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    Aphrodite Macbain: /:-) Samuo
    Pema Pera: thanks, Sam!
    Eliza Madrigal: Appreciate this emphasis of joy very much, thank you...
    Aphrodite Macbain is happy to hear that
    Rhiannon Dragoone: I' didn't get Sam's text either


    Eliza Madrigal: what playing as being means to me this moment, is that I don't have to be chained to the person I felt myself to be five minutes ago, or five years ago... or to chain anyone else to that expectation either..
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-) Eliza
    oO0Oo Resident: :))
    Eliza Madrigal: that I can enjoy life in all its complexity and simplicity and messiness and wonderfulness as it is
    Eliza Madrigal: (done)
    Aphrodite Macbain: true apreciaton


    Pema Pera: thank you, Eliza! I had been thinking along somewhat similar lines
    oO0Oo Resident feels liberated
    Aphrodite Macbain: appreciation
    Pema Pera: about how radical the idea really is of "dropping what you have in order to see what you are"
    Pema Pera: including dropping what you thought you were five minutes ago
    Pema Pera: even including dropping what you think you are right now
    Aphrodite Macbain: lots of dropping
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    Pema Pera: since what we think/thought we are is really a picture we have
    Pema Pera: not what we really are
    Pema Pera: so in order to see what we really are, any kind of thought has to be "dropped" or perhaps better put "we have to wear it lightly"
    Pema Pera: not be glued to it or totally buy into it
    Pema Pera: I have to think again about the picture of a little wave on a large ocean
    Pema Pera: the wave is not "just more water": there really is the appearance of a separate wave, and it would be wrong to deny that
    Pema Pera: but to consider the wave as a special independent unit would also be wrong . . .
    Pema Pera: here we are, little waves talking to each other
    Pema Pera: (done)

    (At this point, it was Rhiannon's turn, but it would be quite a while before she got started)

    Pema Pera: your turn, Rhia!
    Aphrodite Macbain: lapping
    oO0Oo Resident: ty Pema
    Pema Pera: sloshing
    Rhiannon Dragoone: yes, ty, Pema
    Aphrodite Macbain: nice metaphor
    Aphrodite Macbain: constantly moving
    oO0Oo Resident: interbeing
    Eliza Madrigal: lovely
    Aphrodite Macbain: I could meditate with tha image
    Aphrodite Macbain: that
    Pema Pera: (I also wonder what it would be like for little waves to step on each others toes :-)
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Sure, Aph; such an image can make you lose yourself in it
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-) /me grins
    Rhiannon Dragoone: And that's one of the purposes of meditation
    druth Vlodovic: they'd join together and become one another lol
    Pema Pera: :-)
    oO0Oo Resident: waves of pain
    Aphrodite Macbain: as well as pleasure
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Pema, lends a whole new meaning to 'hang ten.'
    oO0Oo Resident: oooh
    Aphrodite Macbain giggles
    Pema Pera: hang ten?
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: surfing lingo
    Eliza Madrigal: surfing term
    Aphrodite Macbain: 10 toes over your surf board
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Don't i look like a surfer to you guys?
    Rhiannon Dragoone: I should come with a board, next time
    Aphrodite Macbain: not with those shoes
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Rhiannon Dragoone laughs
    oO0Oo Resident: lol
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Well, you wouldn't want me to take them off, would you? They're *all* I'm wearing.
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Hey, it's SL; i can balance on stilettos.
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Although i did go ice skating at CMNF and lost my feet when I did
    Calvino Rabeni proposes a theme session on "sauna" to equalize the imbalanced dress styles

    (Eliza and Aphrodite remind Rhiannon that it is her turn)

    Eliza Madrigal: are we still sharing in a circle?
    Aphrodite Macbain: what do you have to say about playing as being Rhi?
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Hi Jack!
    Jack Lichlore: hey
    Aphrodite Macbain: Hello Jack
    Pema Pera: Hi Jack!
    Pema Pera: Please come join us
    Pema Pera: Jack, we get together a few times a day to chat about the nature of reality, and everything else, and we have a wiki http://wiki.playasbeing.org/ -- We record our conversations there. Do you mind being included in our blogs?
    Pema Pera listening to Rhia
    Jack Lichlore: no by all mean
    Pema Pera: thanks, Jack!
    Calvino Rabeni: Hey!
    Aphrodite Macbain: Rhi?


    Rhiannon Dragoone: oh, thank you, Aphrodite
    Rhiannon Dragoone: I'm still not too sure what to say or what the theme is, but i picked up on the difference between having and being. And how the only way to see you is to not have. Most people seem to get it wrong and think their being is caused or made meaningful by their possessions, when it is the other way around. Having is what expresses our being. So to escape having, if oonly in the mind, might be a way to know yourself
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Did people see that?
    Pema Pera: thank you, Rhia!
    Pema Pera: we will continue the circle, so it is Druth's turn
    Aphrodite Macbain grins in delight
    druth Vlodovic: ty
    Rhiannon Dragoone: ur welcome, druth
    Rhiannon Dragoone smiles at Aphro.


    druth Vlodovic: I'll admit I only started doing the mini-meditations a couple days ago
    Eliza Madrigal smiles
    druth Vlodovic: I guess if I talk about the group, it's kind of a place to explore
    Aphrodite Macbain: sure
    druth Vlodovic: and a lot of the concepts in your book are pretty familiar from what I used to think a long time ago
    druth Vlodovic: it'll be an interesting ride
    druth Vlodovic: lol, I'm only up to ch 4 btw
    druth Vlodovic: cal?
    Aphrodite Macbain smiles in admiration
    Pema Pera: thanks Druth!
    oO0Oo Resident: ty Druth
    Rhiannon Dragoone: ch 4? Ok, i've missed a lot; including my own text lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: perhaps ou've dropped it and don't need t Rhi
    Aphrodite Macbain: it
    Rhiannon Dragoone: going to try re logging
    Pema Pera: Cal?
    Aphrodite Macbain: wb Rhi
    Rhiannon Dragoone: thank you, Aph


    Calvino Rabeni: To me, having is being and dropping seems more symbolic than actual ... with respect to playing I like to interpret being playing as me, and make a kind of cooperative game out of it
    Aphrodite Macbain: Game?
    Calvino Rabeni: Dance
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Life is a dance? Or is this a specific dance?
    Aphrodite Macbain: collective creation
    Aphrodite Macbain: nice Cal
    Rhiannon Dragoone: I like the metaphor of life as a dance
    Calvino Rabeni: A dancer or a puppet, either or both
    Aphrodite Macbain: a puppet implies someone pulling the strings tho
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Not sure I understand you about a puppet, Cal
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yay I didnt miss you!
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    oO0Oo Resident: SSL :)
    Aphrodite Macbain whispers welcome Sophia
    Calvino Rabeni: If being plays me, I'm a puppet and its nice to enjoy being moved around...in the dance it's lead, follow, or get out of the way
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi Sharon!
    Pema Pera: hi Sharon!!
    Calvino Rabeni: so I'm saying I enjoy multiple perspectives about agency and identity
    Aphrodite Macbain: you have options then Cal?
    Calvino Rabeni: who does what to whom
    Eliza Madrigal: Hi (again) Sharon!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: so happy to see you I crashed!
    Aphrodite Macbain: heheh
    Eliza Madrigal: :))
    oO0Oo Resident: the ocean delights in the wave? The wave in the ocean? dipping in and out like dolphins?
    Aphrodite Macbain: come back Sophia
    Calvino Rabeni: I assume people have more options than they think in their fearful assessments and less options than they hope in their inflated assessments
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: For me, dropping what I have, implies detachment from needs, expectations, hopes. Like little hooks holding us down
    Aphrodite Macbain: Un hooking those hooks
    Pema Pera: nice image, Aphro!
    Aphrodite Macbain: so we can dance
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Nice image? And I missed it.
    Pema Pera: unfettered and unthethered
    Aphrodite Macbain: yes
    Eliza Madrigal: mmmm... unhooked, unchained...
    Aphrodite Macbain: floating freely
    Pema Pera: *untethered
    Aphrodite Macbain: yeth
    Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
    Rhiannon Dragoone: So the image was of an unhooked, unchained person? Dancing? I like that feeling of being unchained
    Aphrodite Macbain: playing as being
    Pema Pera: Sharon, we just finished going around the circle, would you like to say something too?
    Aphrodite Macbain: and appreciating it joyfully


    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, I have a lot of what if questions
    SophiaSharon Larnia: all of a sudden
    Aphrodite Macbain: i.e?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but probably best to save them for later
    Eliza Madrigal: hmm
    Rhiannon Dragoone: So it all comes down to unfettering ourselves and appreciating it joyfully?
    Pema Pera: oh no, Sharon!
    Pema Pera: pretty please :-)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I havent thought them through yet
    Aphrodite Macbain: this is a good time to raise them
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    Pema Pera: ah, maybe we can help you think through
    SophiaSharon Larnia: I started last night
    oO0Oo Resident: i'd settle for that Rhi
    Pema Pera: "what if" we can help with the "what if" :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: why not
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    Pema Pera: yes, Sharon?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: what if there was no time, would experince be enperienced all at once
    SophiaSharon Larnia: experienced*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: sound silly
    Aphrodite Macbain: no time for what?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Thank you, OOO But it's not settling, is it? ::winks::
    Eliza Madrigal: dropping the doings which look like time?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: no, the actual experience.
    oO0Oo Resident: ty Rhi
    Aphrodite Macbain wwonder what Rhi and Samuo are talking about
    SophiaSharon Larnia: every kind from the most mundane to what we cond=sider great and bad and everything
    Pema Pera: perhaps it would feel different, less like "experience" ?
    Pema Pera: no "ex" or "out" involved?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and what if our splintering off as we are, just a way we can experience them one at a time
    Aphrodite Macbain: a splash rathr than a wave

    Calvino mentioned the notion of wiggling, which is then picked up by others:

    Calvino Rabeni: Instead of dropping time, maybe a warmup might be just to wiggle it around a lot and loosen its grip (or ones grip on it) .. that wiggly freedom of movement is one definition of Play
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you made me think of this pema
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the beigginning isd the end?
    druth Vlodovic: eash person a great worm, one end birth, the other death, and we ride along it, aware only of one small section
    Pema Pera: it's true that when we are intensely engaged in an activity, dancy or playing music or whatever, there seems to be less of a sense of linear time, and also more of a capacity to integrate things
    SophiaSharon Larnia: why warm up
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i am warm
    Aphrodite Macbain wiggles on her cushion, enjoying the conceof wigglism
    Pema Pera: interesting, Cal!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: exactly Aphrodite :)
    Pema Pera: :-)
    Pema Pera: perhaps Cal wants to heat up further? :-)
    Calvino Rabeni: Warm like a juggler who has warmed up to the point of having an immediate capacity for action
    Rhiannon Dragoone: What did Cal say?
    Aphrodite Macbain: wiggling and dancing and juggling
    SophiaSharon Larnia: "experience" is only one facet
    Eliza Madrigal: oh my
    Pema Pera: the PaB circus!
    oO0Oo Resident: wiggling and giggling
    Aphrodite Macbain: of what Sophia?
    Pema Pera: all while riding a unicycle
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wow'
    Eliza Madrigal: ooh have done that :D
    Rhiannon Dragoone: If I were on my full viewer, I'd dance for you guys; speaking of wiggling and dancing and, er, jiggling.
    Calvino Rabeni: If one's stuck wiggling by an automatic habit, then being still would be to move
    Aphrodite Macbain giggles uncontrollably
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Pema, that would fit. lol
    Aphrodite Macbain: Rhi!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: im not talking about the sense of loss of linear time
    SophiaSharon Larnia: eep sorry bell
    Rhiannon Dragoone: What? ::looks innocent::
    Rhiannon Dragoone: hi Kit!
    Pema Pera: yes, Sharon?
    Pema Pera: and hi Kit
    oO0Oo Resident: hi Kit/me listens to sophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: what wyou said the other night Pema really stuck in my head
    Aphrodite Macbain: what was thatSophia
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and im sure ive painted myself in some corner but
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hold on plz
    SophiaSharon Larnia: im sure i wont find it
    Pema Pera: (Sharon stopping time briefly :-)
    Aphrodite Macbain: hum a few bars
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nope no hope for a link, but it was about your experience during the theme session on apapb
    SophiaSharon Larnia: http://wiki.playasbeing.org/Chat_Logs/2011/01/2011.01.17_19%3a00_-_APAPB__Theme_Session
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'll check the log when was that?
    Aphrodite Macbain: Ah
    Pema Pera: what was it what I said there?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it sounds so frightening the idea that underneath theres nothing
    SophiaSharon Larnia: beyond emtiness
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and maybe its my discomfort with that but

    At this point Aphrodite got up from her cushion, and entertained us with an actual dance:

    Aphrodite Macbain: ~ Time to River Dance ~
    Aphrodite Macbain: I'm going to wiggle out of here-
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye APh
    druth Vlodovic: I've always found that idea comforting
    oO0Oo Resident: bye Aph ty :)
    Aphrodite Macbain: sorr gottago. Thanks Pema! veryone
    Rhiannon Dragoone: What idea is comforting?
    Pema Pera: bye Aph!
    Eliza Madrigal: Bye Aph, :))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: just saw all exerience as happing at one time as being, a very very fullness incorporating emptiness
    Rhiannon Dragoone: good night, Aph!
    Rhiannon Dragoone: Thanks for moderating
    Pema Pera: yes, fullness and emptiness are two sides of the same coin
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes but what if they were at the same time
    SophiaSharon Larnia: gah i cant say it right yet
    Pema Pera: I guess they are :-)
    Eliza Madrigal: really interesting sharon... thank you...

    Time for me to go.

    Pema Pera: btw, I'd better get some sleep
    Eliza Madrigal: so difficult to sign off right nnow
    Pema Pera: still have jetlag from my flight from Japan to New Orleans yesterday
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hah Have fun in New orleans! Ive been sad all day wishing i could join you
    Eliza Madrigal: Night Pema
    Rhiannon Dragoone: nite Pema
    Eliza Madrigal: ((((Sharon)))))
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Pema
    oO0Oo Resident: rest well Pema
    Pema Pera: thank you all, and yes, we're already missing you, Sharon!
    Eliza Madrigal: we're thinking of you.. wonderful spot you chose
    Pema Pera: Thanks for helping us find a great place
    Calvino Rabeni: Fly well Pema
    Pema Pera: snap :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye Eliza have fun and do hope it is a good spot
    Eliza Madrigal: :) Just perfect I think
    Pema Pera: bfn
    SophiaSharon Larnia: it should be in the middle of things, hopefully not too much so LOL
    Eliza Madrigal: hahah
    Rhiannon Dragoone: bye Pema
    Eliza Madrigal: it does have that quality
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    Eliza Madrigal: in the middle of things and nowhere...
    Eliza Madrigal: heheh a real retreat :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: really?
    Eliza Madrigal: No... just sleepy and processing your last lines
    Eliza Madrigal: :) fullness and emptiness in the same spot
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i havent process them yet
    Eliza Madrigal: the all at once ness
    Eliza Madrigal: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i see something i want to figure out
    SophiaSharon Larnia: make the word finding effort wortht he effort
    Rhiannon Dragoone: well, this was the strangest session i've had here; could only see part of the text, and then i got ejected. But what i did see was interesting. Hope this theme repeats.
    Eliza Madrigal: thanks for zeroing in :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: alot of the time its not
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol
    Eliza Madrigal: Night everyone, namaste and much appreciation
    Eliza Madrigal: zzzzzzzzzz
    SophiaSharon Larnia: bye ELiza
    Calvino Rabeni: You must have had a cubist view of it, Rhiannon ...
    Rhiannon Dragoone waves and poofs; not sure if anyone heard her say good bye or not
    oO0Oo Resident: night Eliza
    druth Vlodovic: is this what you're referring to sophia?
    druth Vlodovic: Pema Pera: so I wondered how it would feel to be naked to the point of there not being anything left "underneath"? Pema Pera: (done)
    Calvino Rabeni: Good night Rhia
    oO0Oo Resident: bye Rhi
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes thats part of it :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: basically its like a stone that gets something rolling
    SophiaSharon Larnia: when we normally watch the world, we see solid objects Pema Pera: and their appearances Pema Pera: rather than primarily apperances which carry a meaning of solidity -- another appearance Pema Pera: and it suddenly occurred to me how it must feel to die Pema Pera: to suddenly be forced to let go of all that seems to exist so solidly Pema Pera: just see their appearances one last time . . . . Pema Pera: without a chance to go back and continue Pema Pera: that kind of ultimate dropping . . . .
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in addition to that
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont mean that to appear morbid
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thats not the intent
    druth Vlodovic: np
    Calvino Rabeni: Its a package deal - the process of naming and creating concepts to refer to reality as "things" generates the background of reality that can't be thingified - we then call it Chaos and get annoyed by it
    Calvino Rabeni: One action - two complementary effects
    druth Vlodovic: I wonder why you seem upset by your thought sophia?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: not upset, just wanted to ask Pema about that and felt had only a few minutesd here :)
    oO0Oo Resident: I'm flashing on a poem that Ed Brown recited in the movie: 'How to Cook Your Life' (so heartfelt), and I'd like to share it if I may
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: kk
    druth Vlodovic: please
    oO0Oo Resident: Now we are ready to look at something pretty special. It is a duck riding the ocean a hundred feet beyond the surf, and he cuddles in the swells. There is a big heaving in the Atlantic. And he is part of it. He can rest while the Atlantic heaves, because he rests in the Atlantic. Probably he doesn’t know how large the ocean is. And neither do you. But he realises it. And what does he do, I ask you. He sits down in it. He reposes in the immediate as if it were infinity – which it is. That is religion, and the duck has it. I like the little duck. He doesn’t know much. But he has religion.
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :D
    oO0Oo Resident: by Donald C. Babcock
    druth Vlodovic: lol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its suggesting to rest
    oO0Oo Resident: the way Ed recites it is worth a million
    druth Vlodovic: not to fight
    Calvino Rabeni: It's also saying ... think small
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont see that, the duck realizes the ocen is infinity and sits
    Calvino Rabeni: If the duck became a large ship, it could be toppled by the wave
    Calvino Rabeni: as it is the duck can relax and ride
    Calvino Rabeni: that is humility
    SophiaSharon Larnia: well, if you ant to put it thatw ay
    Calvino Rabeni: a duck is known as a symbol of humility
    SophiaSharon Larnia: want*
    druth Vlodovic: he sees infinity and accepts that he is in it, so he feels peaceful
    SophiaSharon Larnia: quack
    oO0Oo Resident: :))))) SSL
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe
    druth Vlodovic: peace and freedom from fear are part of us, and so our responsibility to feel
    oO0Oo Resident: mmm
    oO0Oo Resident nods
    druth Vlodovic: he suggests that to decide to feel such freedom
    druth Vlodovic: lol, that thought had another end just a bit ago
    druth Vlodovic: it is an option
    SophiaSharon Larnia: nods
    SophiaSharon Larnia: understand the thoughts having another end :D
    oO0Oo Resident: wiggle
    oO0Oo Resident: play
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    druth Vlodovic: another end?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you said that thought has another end
    Calvino Rabeni: A few laps around the pool, anyone? :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: had*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: maybe that what i need more exercise
    druth Vlodovic: lol, no, I had that written and suddenly my mind went blank
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its so cold here i run to the car and back thats about it
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oic
    oO0Oo Resident: how do i get in there Cal?
    Calvino Rabeni: In the pool?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its hard to come here when you have somethyea Cal?
    oO0Oo Resident: ya
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i mean, yea CAl :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you used to be able to sit in the fountain
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    oO0Oo Resident: i saw you do it once
    druth Vlodovic: I like the idea of nothingness after myself, it means no "terror beyond" just what I help create here
    Calvino Rabeni: It's not easy 0 ...
    SophiaSharon Larnia: im not frightened of it exactly
    oO0Oo Resident: kk
    oO0Oo Resident: ty
    oO0Oo Resident settles in the ocean of what is
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but if you accept the idea of nonduality then isnt fullness and nothingness dul ends
    SophiaSharon Larnia: dual*
    druth Vlodovic: lol, I'm still in the beginner class, you'll have to explain it to me
    SophiaSharon Larnia: like there is no time at ll and everythig happens in once
    SophiaSharon Larnia: me too
    SophiaSharon Larnia: re: begiinners class
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in fact, i dont go to class i make this up as i go
    oO0Oo Resident: :) Soph
    Calvino Rabeni: If someone offers to promote me out of the beginners class, I'll refuse
    druth Vlodovic: when we move out from shore, and see the bottom recede, and finally vanish, are we afraid of the depths? or the loss of the bottom?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: (which isnt really true, we are all influence by what we read and our conditioning, or so ive been told)
    Calvino Rabeni: I'm afraid of *things* that swim in the deep
    druth Vlodovic: on a boat I find any fear tends to disappear once I'm far enough from shore
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in a rl sense, im terrified of my physical safety
    druth Vlodovic: you may lose it?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: yes, or suffer pain etc I not ready to die yet
    SophiaSharon Larnia: in a spirtual sense, its a lot more complcated to answer
    druth Vlodovic: I get frightened sometimes to seek to far, that I may turn around and find that the person who set out no longer exists
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i lost many selves that way
    SophiaSharon Larnia: but im still me
    druth Vlodovic: but cal and I met a fellow who proclaimed that each moment he is a new and different person,
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wow
    druth Vlodovic: so who he is now, he is now, and never will be again
    SophiaSharon Larnia: does he retain any memory, and if sdo, how?
    SophiaSharon Larnia: laughs
    druth Vlodovic: lol
    Calvino Rabeni: yeah, I read about such a neurological case
    druth Vlodovic: when I was a kid I realized that adults don't understand kids, but were kids, so they must have forgotten, so I vowed never to forget what it was like
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i dont forget what it was like, but i see the danger now in what i thought then
    Calvino Rabeni: Really it's not an actual experience, just a kind of idea that might be fun to imagine
    Calvino Rabeni: Or maybe not so much fun, I suppose, maybe kind of a chore
    druth Vlodovic: it's like death each time we change
    Calvino Rabeni: plus rebirth, to be fair
    SophiaSharon Larnia: that kind of deat is fine by me, i do want to retain some memort though
    SophiaSharon Larnia: and some typing abilities too
    druth Vlodovic: well, I kept part of my vow, and it helped me raise my kids :)
    druth Vlodovic: ohh, I want some of that now!
    druth Vlodovic: (typing ability)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: lol I bet that really comes in handy Druth
    SophiaSharon Larnia: the remembering what its like to be a kid
    SophiaSharon Larnia: you can talk to them from where they are
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i bet
    druth Vlodovic: it gives an interesting experience to see it from both sides, so hard not to lose myself in my own perspective
    SophiaSharon Larnia: can you say more?
    Calvino Rabeni: The kids might be in an inbetween world thinking ... I hope I don't forget how to be an animal while I'm trying to get how to be an adult
    Calvino Rabeni: Can you teach it ? :)
    oO0Oo Resident: Druth :) (kids, remaining chidlike) benefit :))))
    druth Vlodovic: I read pema talking about how good it was to have a child'sperspective, and I keep meaning to ask him if he has any :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: its definately something that is to be cultivated
    druth Vlodovic: childlike, from a child's perspective, isn't sunlight and flowers
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i undertstand
    Calvino Rabeni: It's romantic .. Except ye be as little children ...
    Calvino Rabeni: Then later ....
    druth Vlodovic: I'd rather be a childish adult than anything else :)
    SophiaSharon Larnia: or as somethng simplistic
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe druth
    druth Vlodovic: I hear my mommy calling me...
    druth Vlodovic: she sayd I have to get up at 5:00am tomorrow for work (wahh!)
    Calvino Rabeni: That's heinous, darling !
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh my good ness :)
    oO0Oo Resident: lol
    SophiaSharon Larnia: youre not on est right
    oO0Oo Resident: good to be with you druth
    druth Vlodovic: lol, well, my kids catch the bus at 7 so they only get to sleep another 1/2hr later than me
    druth Vlodovic: 'night all
    oO0Oo Resident: :)))
    druth Vlodovic: it's ten to midnight here
    Calvino Rabeni: Goodnight, druth
    SophiaSharon Larnia: night Druth!
    SophiaSharon Larnia: eep late
    SophiaSharon Larnia: oh its 10 to midnight for me too LOL
    SophiaSharon Larnia: same time zone
    Calvino Rabeni: It's not 9 to midnight here, but it *feels* like it .. so I'm going to enter dreamtime also
    SophiaSharon Larnia: hehe Cal good night :)
    Calvino Rabeni: Good night SSL and 0
    oO0Oo Resident: night Cal
    oO0Oo Resident: wiggle
    oO0Oo Resident: giggle
    SophiaSharon Larnia: giggles
    oO0Oo Resident: playful Cal
    SophiaSharon Larnia: :) always nice to play i dont play enough i dont think
    SophiaSharon Larnia: i play with ideas but theyre serious to me i suspect
    SophiaSharon Larnia: anyway
    oO0Oo Resident: mmm
    SophiaSharon Larnia: goodnight Samuo thak you
    oO0Oo Resident: something about wiggle, lessoning the distance or seperation etween ideas, and all the other arising phenomena
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thank*
    SophiaSharon Larnia: thinking really hard about that actually
    oO0Oo Resident: hehe
    SophiaSharon Larnia: wiggles
    SophiaSharon Larnia: take care Samuo have fun
    oO0Oo Resident: yup
    oO0Oo Resident: :)))

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