2023.09.05 07:00 - Chan on Dualism

The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

   --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: good Morning Adams ㋡
Adams Rubble: good morning Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: how was your week?
Adams Rubble: had a nice week. saw grand girls Saturday and spent yesterday reading
Adams Rubble: it is very hot here today
Adams Rubble: but I am inside

Adams Rubble: how is your trip going?
Riddle Sideways: hot here too. work outside early then do inside sturff
Riddle Sideways: cooler today get more done
Adams Rubble: are you back home?
Riddle Sideways: we are stopped in CO
Riddle Sideways: phone still shows CA weather as up to 75F today
Riddle Sideways: heat ware for there
Riddle Sideways: ㋡
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: will be 95 here

Adams Rubble: ahh. Glad you did not go to burning man
Riddle Sideways: yes, bad Burning Man news
Riddle Sideways: Bad news makes the News
Adams Rubble: News likes suffering
Riddle Sideways: one would think rain in a desert would sink right in
Adams Rubble: yes, one would think
Adams Rubble: I guess sand level is shallow
Riddle Sideways: should be ok for food and water. everybody brings for themseleves and 100 others

Adams Rubble: Have been reading about Chan
Adams Rubble: Reading about Chan this week and remembering how much time I spent on Zen when PaB was young
Riddle Sideways: /listens
Adams Rubble: Discovered the Third Patriarch's "Faith in Mind" -- a powerful text
Adams Rubble: my favorite part was that when begins to encounter dualism one just says "Not Two"
Adams Rubble: so easy to remember
Riddle Sideways: read the blog about that, nice little quotes

Adams Rubble: I never heard about this before two days ago and now have 5 dfiferent translations :)
Riddle Sideways: wow
Adams Rubble: 3 were lying around the house
Riddle Sideways: ㋡
Adams Rubble: it is amazing the knowledge one does not possess
Riddle Sideways: ha
Adams Rubble: ignorance is so vast
Riddle Sideways: oh Yes!

Riddle Sideways: Hi Lo Aggers
Agatha Macbeth: Greetings!
Adams Rubble: Hell Agatha :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hell Adams! :p
Adams Rubble: o
Riddle Sideways: and the typos beginn
Adams Rubble: I wonder how many times I have typed hell instead of hello?
Riddle Sideways: there are some lists not worth making
Agatha Macbeth: Freud would be intrigued no doubt
Adams Rubble: Hell to Freud :)
Agatha Macbeth: Sigmund, not Clement
   --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: which was the smarter brother
Agatha Macbeth: Sherlock
Riddle Sideways: right

Riddle Sideways: Adams was just starting to reveal new sides of dualism ㋡
Agatha Macbeth: More than two then?

Adams Rubble: I
[07:08] Adams Rubble: Reading about Chan this week and remembering how much time I spent on Zen when PaB was young
[07:09] Riddle Sideways: /listens
[07:09] Adams Rubble: Discovered the Third Patriarch's "Fiath in Mind" -- a powerful text
[07:10] Adams Rubble: my favorite part was that when begins to encounter dualism one just says "Not Two" [07:10] Adams Rubble: so easy to remember
[07:11] Riddle Sideways: read the blog about that, little quotes
[07:11] Adams Rubble: I never heard about this before two days ago and now have 5 dofferent translations :) [07:11] Riddle Sideways: wow
[07:11] Adams Rubble: 3 were lying around the house
[07:11] Riddle Sideways whispers: ㋡
[07:11] Adams Rubble: it is amazing the knowledge one does not possess
[07:12] Riddle Sideways: ha
[07:12] Adams Rubble: ignorance is so vast

Adams Rubble: The text has ways to combat dualism when it arises
Adams Rubble: in general it is a powerful text
Agatha Macbeth: What's wrong with dualism then?
Adams Rubble: dualism is often the cause of suffering for both the subject and the object

Agatha Macbeth: Why exactly?
Riddle Sideways: the constant fighting between Good and Bad
Adams Rubble: yes, there is that
Adams Rubble: it affects our peace of mind
Adams Rubble: creates enemies
Adams Rubble: distracts us

Agatha Macbeth: Can there be any peace of mind in the material world?
Adams Rubble: I think that is what the author was getting at
Agatha Macbeth: Or is the universe a battleground between light and dark?
Adams Rubble: there can be peace if we do not chase after things

Agatha Macbeth: What if they chase after us? :P
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry I'm being rather Manichean today
Riddle Sideways: it would still be Our Minds that see them chasing after us
Adams Rubble: There have been some figures of incredible fortitude who have retained their peace against great odds
Agatha Macbeth: Ghandi did it rather well
Adams Rubble: when one reads a text like this one, one sees how it can be done

Agatha Macbeth: (Gandhi?)
Riddle Sideways: Chan
Agatha Macbeth: Charlie?
Agatha Macbeth: The Lucifer's exponent
Agatha Macbeth: That was so funny
Riddle Sideways: Charlie the Tuna was always unhappy
Agatha Macbeth: 'After a few minutes Quel seemed'
Agatha Macbeth: Quel was Fael's alt I think
   --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: that went over head, so looked it up and got lots of refs
Agatha Macbeth: There was a weird translation of a PaB session a few years back
Agatha Macbeth: It was hilarious
Agatha Macbeth: I posted it somewhere
Agatha Macbeth: Think it had been translated into portuguese and back into english
Riddle Sideways: hoping there is a link
Agatha Macbeth: OMG I thought it was on the wiki somewhere
Agatha Macbeth: Let's see if i can find it
Riddle Sideways: 22 results on Quel
Agatha Macbeth: Pooo I can't seem to find it
Agatha Macbeth: Nope can't find it
Agatha Macbeth: That's annoying
Agatha Macbeth: Was so funny

Riddle Sideways: funny, LIke Adams being at the end and finding 5 old references
Agatha Macbeth: Old references never die it seems
Riddle Sideways: seemingly learning something for the first time and finding 3 reference books on the shelves
Agatha Macbeth: There's nothing new except what's forgotten
Agatha Macbeth: Com pa shun
   --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: well "Com pa shun" is completely new
Riddle Sideways: not forgotten
Agatha Macbeth: Long time ago I think
Riddle Sideways: Ageism is having the forgotten taking over the known, it seems
Agatha Macbeth: As far as I know I'm not sure
Riddle Sideways: Right
Adams Rubble: when we get older we can let things gp
Adams Rubble: go
Agatha Macbeth: There have to be some benefits
Riddle Sideways: even if frustrating
Adams Rubble: we can forgive long held transgressions
Adams Rubble: especially if we have let go of the attachments that we felt were harmed

Agatha Macbeth: Stalin allegedly said where there's no person there's no problem :p
Agatha Macbeth: Maybe he was right
Adams Rubble: not the best example of forgiving
Agatha Macbeth: Ha
Agatha Macbeth: Old Joe, what a guy
Riddle Sideways: sure is a long list of those that when quoted, lose the point

Agatha Macbeth: Wol said Qt hasn't been online for over a year
Riddle Sideways: funny to check those things/times
Agatha Macbeth: Hope he's alright
Riddle Sideways: yes.
Riddle Sideways: Hope all the unknown status'es are alright
Agatha Macbeth: Aye
Agatha Macbeth: A few of them to be sure

Agatha Macbeth: Haven't heard anything of Stormy for ages
Riddle Sideways: OH! while in CO should call over to Denver to check
Riddle Sideways: on Storm conditions
Agatha Macbeth: Take an oxygen mask
Adams Rubble: please say hello :)
   --BELL--
Agatha Macbeth: Are you near there at the moment?
Riddle Sideways: will try to find time
Riddle Sideways: an hour-ish away
Agatha Macbeth: Wow

Adams Rubble: thank you for being here today
Adams Rubble: I hope you have a good week
Adams Rubble: and safe traveling Riddle :)
Agatha Macbeth: See what else you can find in the house :)
Riddle Sideways: hope y'all the best too
Adams Rubble: bye for now
Riddle Sideways: by All
Agatha Macbeth: TC x

Agatha Macbeth: On the road...
Agatha Macbeth: What would Jack say I wonder
Riddle Sideways: too much
Riddle Sideways: ㋡
Agatha Macbeth: Mo than likely

Riddle Sideways: tis funny that everything you type reminds of song jyrics
Agatha Macbeth: So it seems
Agatha Macbeth: Life's a song maybe
Riddle Sideways: "Life's a long song"

Agatha Macbeth: Blimey there's a lot of skyboxes round here
Agatha Macbeth: Like a UFO convention
Riddle Sideways: Yes, so full now
Agatha Macbeth: You just appreciate it until you tun your draw distance way up
Agatha Macbeth: Or rather you don't
Riddle Sideways: use to have a quiet deserted meditate skybox. that area is stuffed now
Agatha Macbeth: Stuff happens

Riddle Sideways: ok, RL is screaming that my hour has passed and it needs the attention
Agatha Macbeth: Kick it
Agatha Macbeth: :P
Agatha Macbeth: See you anon if not sooner