From: White Elephants, 2008, July 29
Solobill Laville: So, are you familiar with the idea of PaB then, Jeremiah?
Jeremiah Nacht: Yes, I have read a bit
Solobill Laville: Ah, OK
Solobill Laville: Great
Solobill Laville: It has been getting quite exciting lately
Jeremiah Nacht: oh yes?
Solobill Laville: Yes, more and more folks seem to be dropping by
Solobill Laville: And Pema, the group leader, has offered a suggested practice that has gotten some interesting results
Solobill Laville: The idea of You Seeing, Being Seeing
Here I was referring to a practice that Pema was suggesting folks trying out (see:
http://playasbeing.wordpress.com/2008/07/19/you-seeing-and-being-seeing/
Wol Euler nods.Wol then returned my serve.
Solobill Laville: Which is actually the first "formal" practice that really has been offered here so far
Solobill Laville: Very organic and supportive
Solobill Laville: Have you tried this Wol?
Wol Euler: I must admit at this point that I haven't, nor the PaB intervals either.
Solobill Laville: That's fine
Wol Euler: I started coming here as a discussion group, on belief and being and meditation, and have become interested in the prarctices.
Wol Euler: But havent actually applied them as such :-)
Wol Euler: the discussions have been very interesting.
Solobill Laville: That's still a good reason to come, yes some good discussions indeed
Solobill Laville: It is interesting as well to read the individual blogs that folks are writing
Jeremiah Nacht: I will have to read some more :)
Wol Euler: ah, yes, they are listed on the "official" page, I've started reading some of them.
Wol Euler: Have you been doing the YSBS practice, Solobill?There is a wonderful (and very esoteric) book entitled "I and Thou" by Martin Buber that does a Herculean job of describing these relationships: I and "it", I and "Thou", or ultimately just "Thou".
Solobill Laville: Ah, yes
Wol Euler smiles. do tell, please.
Solobill Laville: It is interesting, so many different folks with different backgrounds and interests
Solobill Laville: I come from a Zen background
Solobill Laville: so the PaB idea is not wholly different from what I have been practicing
Solobill Laville: Just more, and shorter in duration
Solobill Laville: The YSBS though, is very similar to something that I did a couple of years ago
Solobill Laville: slightly different
Solobill Laville: But I think essentially the same
Solobill Laville: the idea of You Seeing
Solobill Laville: is that here I sit, either in RL at my laptop, or SL looking at the table
Solobill Laville: and I see things in relation to me
Solobill Laville: me / table
Solobill Laville: me / screen
Solobill Laville: me / mats
Solobill Laville: me / Wol / Jeremiah
Solobill Laville: lol
Wol Euler nods
Jeremiah Nacht: So you are in relation to us
Jeremiah Nacht: and we to you
Solobill Laville: yes
Jeremiah Nacht: and the table
Solobill Laville: I vs. "it"
Solobill Laville: or I vs. "you"
Solobill Laville: that, to me, is "You Seeing"
Solobill Laville: Now Being Seeing
Solobill Laville: is the Seeing that sees all within itself
Solobill Laville: Seeing this way, you are a part of the seeing, a vehicle
Solobill Laville: This touches both on formlessness and non-duality
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