The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

Riddle Sideways: thank you, Listener Master
               --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: right! no bell at top of a meeting hour
Riddle Sideways: thinking through yesterday's ideas
               --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: thinking through yesterday mornings Eden session
Adams Rubble: Good morning Riddle :)
Adams Rubble: sorry I am late
Riddle Sideways: Oh Hi ... o
Adams Rubble: workman in the house had lots of paperwork to do before he could leave
Riddle Sideways: the job is not done until the paperwork in finished

Adams Rubble: How are the wildflowers - I understand they are spectacular there
Adams Rubble: saw some pictures
Riddle Sideways: in the desert
Adams Rubble: ohhh
Adams Rubble: Happy Spring
Riddle Sideways: flowers in the desert that have not bloomed in years
Adams Rubble: oh wow
Riddle Sideways: yes, Happy Spring
Adams Rubble: do you live near a desert?
Riddle Sideways: forgot to say that yesterday
Adams Rubble: yes, me too
Adams Rubble: we are getting more cold weather tomorrow
Riddle Sideways: no, not very near desert
Riddle Sideways: can drive for hours and get there tho
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: we are getting rain
Adams Rubble: Cal;ifornia is sooooo big
Riddle Sideways: around here is all Green
Riddle Sideways: mostly grasses and oaks
Adams Rubble: nice
Riddle Sideways: wild garlic has pretty white flowers
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: California is spectacular when it is green
Riddle Sideways: yes
Riddle Sideways: such a big differing state
Riddle Sideways: drive a little and everything changes
Riddle Sideways: the weather station down in the village has almost no meaning at this house or my friends over on the other hill side

Adams Rubble: were you wearing the 9 shirt yesterday?
Riddle Sideways: yes, the silver yesterday
Riddle Sideways: more subtle
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: slowly learning to get dressed
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: we will be teenagers soon :)
Riddle Sideways: into double digits soon
Adams Rubble: soon be in rebellous state of mind toward our rlers
               --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: need help remembering something you said a while back
Riddle Sideways: was a catchy little phrase
Riddle Sideways: months ago
Adams Rubble listens
Riddle Sideways: no better clues, except repeating it and really liking
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: wasn't start at the end
Riddle Sideways: though that was really good to hear yesterday
Adams Rubble: maybe it will be in the logs?
Riddle Sideways: might have been even used in a title
Riddle Sideways: thinking it was in an Eden session
Riddle Sideways: and repeated the next day
Riddle Sideways: difficult search
Riddle Sideways: that was a nice pause, but did not help find a lost phrase
Riddle Sideways: a search on meaningful Adams' saying will produce 10,432 hits
Adams Rubble giggles
Adams Rubble has been running her mouth for 8 years and 8 months now

Riddle Sideways: please repeat what you think "Start at the End" means
Riddle Sideways: or has become
Riddle Sideways: over thinking it yesterday muddied it
Adams Rubble: that was Pema's saying
Riddle Sideways: yes, giving up on the unfindable phrase
Riddle Sideways: this is toward a new topic

Adams Rubble: Pema always said that one could take the Buddhist route or the PaB route which was a short cut
Adams Rubble: I have been studying Tibetan Buddhism and the various schools lay out very specific routes
Riddle Sideways: ah! /listens
Adams Rubble: yet remember the first year in PaB when things seemed to be happening so quickly
Adams Rubble: Pema and Stim had so many wise things to say
Adams Rubble: Stim said that in evetry moment we have a choice whether to take positive or negative energy
Adams Rubble: and take it into the next moment
Adams Rubble: once we latch on to that negative thought
Adams Rubble: it is so hard to trade it for the positive

Adams Rubble: of course if we do the 9 seconds the longest we will carry that negative thought is for 14 minutes and 59 seconds :)
Adams Rubble: whoops forgot the 9 - 4 minutes and 50 seconds
Adams Rubble: 14 minutes and 50 seconds
Adams Rubble: /me's didn't know there would be math in today's session (giggles)
Riddle Sideways: giggles
Adams Rubble: all that is part of what I think starting at the end is
Riddle Sideways: great. good starting point
Riddle Sideways: where ever you go ... there you are
Riddle Sideways: Be Here Now
               --BELL--
Adams Rubble: on the other hand we could look at from the Buddhist perspective and study our kleshas :)
Adams Rubble: need a big stick to beat the kleshas
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: :)
Riddle Sideways: so, there at The End
Adams Rubble: both ways work
Riddle Sideways: and take one more step
Riddle Sideways: which way
Riddle Sideways: maybe depends on the path
Adams Rubble: starting at the end and starting at the beginning
Adams Rubble: one is faster
Riddle Sideways: maybe a path laid out by one sect or another

Adams Rubble: do you remember the koan Pema gave to me?
Adams Rubble: I had forgotten until now
Riddle Sideways: not really
Riddle Sideways: remember the time, not the words
Adams Rubble: "WHO is impatient?"
Riddle Sideways: hmmmm, good one
Adams Rubble: It is time I revisit it :)
Adams Rubble: I have written about it a few times in my blog
Adams Rubble: can you believe that after all these years we are still here?
Riddle Sideways: and still waiting for Goddot?
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: waiting for the second coming of Pema?
Adams Rubble: hehe
Riddle Sideways: Goddot has forgotten the password to get in
Adams Rubble: He has been held up by homeland security
Adams Rubble: is in detention
Riddle Sideways: is still waiting
Riddle Sideways: almost sees somebody coming
Riddle Sideways: a trick of the eye
Adams Rubble: but Pema said we have all we need
Riddle Sideways: a blurry image
Adams Rubble: I think the Buddhists would say that too
Riddle Sideways: so, come back here to all that is needed
Adams Rubble: although we also need the Buddha, the Dharma and the Sangha most excellent
Adams Rubble: but...
Adams Rubble: if we start at the end....
Riddle Sideways: "showed us the door, but no one had the guts to leave the temple"
Adams Rubble: :)

Adams Rubble: My door experience with Pema was different :)))
Riddle Sideways: Pema use to push Adams ... very hard
Adams Rubble: Christ is knocking at the door as in the Hunt painting
Adams Rubble: Adams did not know how to open the damn door
Adams Rubble: Pema told Adams to ask Christ to open the damn door :)
Adams Rubble: Adams is very stubborn
Riddle Sideways: or not
Adams Rubble: which leads to another question
Adams Rubble: is there an Atwoman as well as an Atman
Riddle Sideways: of course
Adams Rubble: sometimes the recorded conversation lines up quite nicely :)
               --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: ha, 'of course' was supposed to be for the 'which leads to' line
Riddle Sideways: but, works for both
Riddle Sideways: and yet
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: really like to remove gender from all of it
Adams Rubble nods
Adams Rubble: I was just being a little silly

Riddle Sideways: was reviewing a very enjoyable "Radio Lab" show
Riddle Sideways: almost sent the link to the email group
Riddle Sideways: might still
Riddle Sideways: one segment was on ants
Riddle Sideways: and a comment on the bottom of the page about the article was
Riddle Sideways: why would the show always say "He", Him, etc.
Riddle Sideways: for ants
Riddle Sideways: worker ants are female
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: the vast population is female
Riddle Sideways: why say "A Men" at the end of prayer
Riddle Sideways: which is kinda a singular plural anyway
Riddle Sideways: oops, gets down off soapbox
Adams Rubble was reading about the etyomology of amen
Riddle Sideways: why does a language have to have every word be masculine of feminine suffexes
Adams Rubble: from Hebrew through Greek
Riddle Sideways: /listens
Adams Rubble whispers "humans are obsessed with sex"
Riddle Sideways: Hebrew words have 3 letter roots, but have to be colored for use

Adams Rubble: the amen is very complicated--it is used 30 times in the Hebrew Bible with three distinct meetings
Adams Rubble: Initial amen, referring back to words of another speaker and introducing an affirmative sentence, e.g. 1 Kings 1:36.[1] Detached amen, again referring to the words of another speaker but without a complementary affirmative sentence, e.g. Nehemiah 5:13.[1] Final amen, with no change of speaker, as in the subscription to the first three divisions of Psalms.[1]
Adams Rubble: Jewish rabbinical law requires an individual to say amen in a variety of contexts
Adams Rubble: sounds to be that the use as an affirmation seems easiest :)
Adams Rubble: as in "you tell it sister!"
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: I am afraid I am keeping you from your day
Adams Rubble: methinks you may be reading about amen :)
Riddle Sideways: back, the day came in and dropped off the next assignment, no rush
Riddle Sideways: the main 'rule' to follow was given as
Riddle Sideways: if you didn't read the words with the reader or mumbled some (during a yawn)
Riddle Sideways: then say "ah main"
               --BELL--
Riddle Sideways: and "can I get an Amen, hallelujah"
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: Amen
Adams Rubble: Hallelujah
Adams Rubble: starting at the end :)
Adams Rubble: I am afraid I must go
Riddle Sideways: start at the end and play the record backward
Adams Rubble: have a very nice day. Hallelujah
Riddle Sideways: yes, have your Best
Adams Rubble: bye for now :)
Riddle Sideways: Hallelujah
Adams Rubble: thank you
Riddle Sideways: thank you