The Guardian for this meeting was Adams Rubble. The comments are by Adams Rubble.

Peace to All Fellow Brings United by Love!

We began by remembering last Tuesdays session when we were thrown out of Second Life.

Adams Rubble: Hello Riddle :)
Riddle Sideways: Hello, had to wait to see where you sat
Riddle Sideways: like Eden
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: I went for the nearest seat this morning
Adams Rubble: Last time we met things went awry
Adams Rubble: RL griefers
Riddle Sideways: and there was a great topic
Riddle Sideways: and DDOS struck
Riddle Sideways: it struck lots of sites
Riddle Sideways: ok, trying to find notes
Adams Rubble: I hadn't checked to see if you posted the fragment
Riddle Sideways: was an easy post last week
Riddle Sideways: says almost nothing
Riddle Sideways: not even sure there was a bell
Adams Rubble: ohhh
Riddle Sideways: came back to the topic
Riddle Sideways: and did some research
Riddle Sideways: Google was not as helpful as often
Riddle Sideways: *usual
Riddle Sideways: it was confused and kept offering it's own idea of what might be wanted
Adams Rubble nods
Adams Rubble: Googles does not understand that God is Love
Adams Rubble: and vice versa
Riddle Sideways: combinations of Love and Judism, hebrew bible, Jews, Moses, etc etc
Riddle Sideways: made it think you want Christian answers
Adams Rubble: I am going to quote from my blog this morning if that is OK
Riddle Sideways: yes!

I quote from my blog partly about a new word I have learned that egst confused with the word "love"

Adams Rubble: I learned ABOUT a new word last night -- cathect or cathexis. It is a term used in psychoanalysis. When we cathect, we invest energy in another person. Through this that person becomes important to us. This energy can be expressed in a positive or negative way bell hooks, in her book, All About Love, notes that cathexis is often mistaken for love. According to bell hooks, M. Scott Peck in The Road less Traveled defines love as "the will to extend one's self for the purpose of nurturing one's own or another's spiritual growth". bell hooks notes that love is both an intention and an action. That reminds me of Shantideva. If I understand correctly, Shantideva thought the intention came first, then the action. Sometimes it takes skill to go from intention to action.
Adams Rubble: Sorry for so many thoughts in one entry
Adams Rubble: a little off topic about what Jewish thought on the matter
Adams Rubble: subtract - what
Adams Rubble: when confused, make it more confusing :)
Riddle Sideways: good! start with muddy water
Riddle Sideways: and let it settle
Riddle Sideways: no, you are right... define Love first
Riddle Sideways: both an intention and action
Riddle Sideways: for self and other
Adams Rubble: and we do confuse love with cathexis
Adams Rubble: He killed her because he loved her too much
Riddle Sideways: Stalkers

Back to Last Week's introduction about God and Love. We kick around chronology of writings a bit.

Adams Rubble: During the break, I read over last week's log and remember what I had typed when we crashed. That is that the commentaries you mention were written much the same time as the Gospels.
Adams Rubble: or before
Riddle Sideways: ah! yes
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: the four comentaries vary in when they were added
Adams Rubble nods
Riddle Sideways: did not get back to searching time lines
Riddle Sideways: basic trouble
Riddle Sideways: is that Bible was orally passed and not written during the happenings
Riddle Sideways: no scribe was taking dictation
Adams Rubble: I don;t think we need worry about chronology for this discussion
Riddle Sideways: so, a hundred years later somebody trys to write exactly what somebody said
Adams Rubble: If the one of the Talmuds addressed the issue, it would be welcome
Riddle Sideways: or hundreds of years later a bunch of people argue what was the new meaning for the old words
Adams Rubble: yes, religious scholars love to argue :)
Adams Rubble: theologians
Riddle Sideways: the need to justify their worth
Adams Rubble: we Christians have fought great wars about whether it is the actual body of Christ that is consumed during the Eucharist
Riddle Sideways: yes, the silly reasons for War

God and Love

Adams Rubble: It is interesting that the idea that God is Love is so little discussed
Adams Rubble: "Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love." John 4: 7-8.
Riddle Sideways: there is much about "Love God" in Judissm
Adams Rubble nods
Riddle Sideways: there is less about G-d Loves
Adams Rubble: yes
Adams Rubble: one last paste:
Adams Rubble: "There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot[a] love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother." John 4: 18-21
Riddle Sideways: much about the Covent with G-d
Adams Rubble: yes
Adams Rubble: Covenant :)
Riddle Sideways: ty
Adams Rubble: funny typo
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: the marriage contract sort of
Adams Rubble: although some go to the convent with God
Riddle Sideways: maybe like an arranged marriage
Adams Rubble: yes
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: you two get married and love will come
Riddle Sideways: or not
Adams Rubble: or cathexis
Riddle Sideways: yep
Adams Rubble: there is no one more boring than someone who has learned a new word :)
Riddle Sideways: hahahaha
Riddle Sideways: did that 2 weeks ago
Adams Rubble: daylight!!!
Riddle Sideways: giggles
Adams Rubble: The Covenant suggests that God is a being as opposed to Being. The idea that God is Love and Love id God is very abstract
Riddle Sideways: (would butcher a quote here, so does not include)
Adams Rubble: We are all connected in Love, in God in being
Adams Rubble: Being
Riddle Sideways: yes, enough new ideas to not introduce all of them at once
Adams Rubble: WHO is impatient?
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: ㋡
Riddle Sideways: "ok kids, we are going to get rid of the hundreds of your lesser gods with One Being"
--BELL--
Adams Rubble fastens her seatbelt
Riddle Sideways: that is so scary
Riddle Sideways: that no mention of the other changes
Riddle Sideways: yet
Adams Rubble: we often find it scary to love
Adams Rubble: the intention is there but........
Adams Rubble: we are afraid
Adams Rubble: speak for yourself Adams Rubble
Riddle Sideways: many thoughts there

Leap of Faith. Quoting SophiaSharon from 2009 which inspires the Itle of the Session

Riddle Sideways: one would be the remembering of PaB arguements over 'taking a leap of faith'
Riddle Sideways: trusting
Riddle Sideways: going into unknown territory
Riddle Sideways: on a suggestion that it would be ok
Riddle Sideways: the ground would hold you
Adams Rubble: :)
Riddle Sideways: can't remember who the characters were
Riddle Sideways: but, 2 big sides to that session
Adams Rubble: I sdon;t remember at all
Riddle Sideways: the not taking a 'leap' when there is no science to back it up
Adams Rubble: "leap of faith" brings up a number of logs on the Wiki
Riddle Sideways: yes, common
Adams Rubble: SophiaSharon Larnia: by saying you are taking a risk, implies you have something to lose
Riddle Sideways: such a different level of 'Trust' amoung the members
Adams Rubble: 2009.09.19
Riddle Sideways: ah
Adams Rubble: nice thought
Adams Rubble: which brings us back to Love :)
Riddle Sideways: yes, Love becomes the huge leap of faith
Adams Rubble: maybe some of us think we have something to lose
Riddle Sideways: putting 'Self' on one side of the balance scale
Riddle Sideways: checking if the Love might balance the risk
Adams Rubble: ohhhh! that selfie thing
Riddle Sideways: ha, always gets weighed in there
Adams Rubble: Love is the way away from self so self has something to lose
Riddle Sideways: yep
Adams Rubble: end of duality
Riddle Sideways: and putting large amounts of Love on the unknown
Riddle Sideways: is Huge
Riddle Sideways: what if lose Self
--BELL--
Riddle Sideways: what if not returned
Riddle Sideways: what if ...
Riddle Sideways: mommy, I am scared
Adams Rubble: we might turn into a Mother Theresa
Adams Rubble: yikes!
Riddle Sideways: so, maybe a lot of the John writings were to reassure
Riddle Sideways: that the Love would come back
Riddle Sideways: to ya
Adams Rubble: let me think
Riddle Sideways: takes 90 sec
Adams Rubble: I left out the verses with Jesus Christ which is the reassuring part
Riddle Sideways: who wrote those?
Adams Rubble: John
Riddle Sideways: that is good those reassuring parts were added
Riddle Sideways: for those that couldn't just leap
Adams Rubble: If we wanted to do Chronology, the letters of paul were written before any of the Gospels and that John was the last Gospel

Common Thread of Religions: Is it not Love?

Adams Rubble: I've always been interested in what is the common thread of relgions though
Riddle Sideways: is it not faith?
Adams Rubble: It seems to me that so many have seen Love as what gets us to the next level so to speak
Riddle Sideways: and so many have experienced that Love has gotten them to another level
Adams Rubble: Here's an impromptu Adams Rubble quote for what it is worth: Faith is the Self of any Religion"
Adams Rubble: Burn her at the stake
Riddle Sideways: will have to think on that
Adams Rubble: just a thought I suddenly had
Riddle Sideways: need to wait for that thought to travel
Adams Rubble: so many wars fought because of faith
Riddle Sideways: the sudden has not happened 'here' yet
Riddle Sideways: yes, War!
Adams Rubble: the core of Christianity is Love but you would not know it from the politics
Riddle Sideways: yet, is there not that Faith is a going outside Self
Adams Rubble: I am not sure I am not being silly but I was saying Faith is the Religion;s Self
Riddle Sideways: ah!
Adams Rubble: through faith Rligion becomes an extention of the duality to a larger level
Riddle Sideways: this reader got twisted around
Adams Rubble: whereas through Love, religions see they have much in common, moving away from duality
Riddle Sideways: oooooh, good points
Adams Rubble: our faith based programs that are helping the poor, the immigrants, and others is an act of Love
--BELL--
Adams Rubble: so why do we humans have so much trouble with this?
Riddle Sideways: hmmm, you need to ask?
Adams Rubble giggles
Adams Rubble: that is a good ending place
Riddle Sideways: many humans have trouble getting out of the bed covers in the morning
Adams Rubble: thank you for the discussion this morning
Riddle Sideways: the trust and faith that the day and cold floor would be worth it
Riddle Sideways: YES!!!
Riddle Sideways: thank you
Riddle Sideways: stop here
Riddle Sideways: continues tomorrow
Riddle Sideways: maybe
Riddle Sideways: or not
Adams Rubble: getting up and forgetting that today is a gift and we can be grateful
Riddle Sideways: but, the floor is cold on tootsies
Adams Rubble: we should have an alarm clock that says that :)
Adams Rubble: it would be murdered some morning
Riddle Sideways: lol
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: have a very good day :)
Riddle Sideways: and with you
Adams Rubble: same time, same place tomorrow :)
Riddle Sideways: ok, god willin and the creeks don't
Adams Rubble: bye for now :)
Riddle Sideways: by