01 - 03: Adam' November Harvest

2010.11.01 01:00 - Religious propaganda related to animals and animism

As Cosmisflower says "It's radiation"

Cosmicflower Ushimawa: if You find enlightement
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: its not only You who get rewards
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: you became to be Love
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: and all others also get that love from You
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: its radiation

2010.11.01 07:00 - Somewhere Over the Rainbow

Freedom by limitation

Eliza Madrigal: Stim said something which is like a mantra for me... 'the way we are limited is the way we are free'...

2010.11.01 13:00 - Three Hours worth of Timelessness

Samsara

Wol Euler: Groundhog day
Wol Euler: yes
Pila Mulligan: nice film
Wol Euler: wonderful film!
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Zon Kwan: that is samsara
Mickorod Renard: I have always found it difficult to meditate,,in the traditional form,,but I now see how important it is to stop losing contact with what one gets to grips with
Pila Mulligan: yep, and it had a nice learning evolution for him too
Mickorod Renard: yes,,I saw it
Pila Mulligan: how to stay in touch with the higher places, Mick?
Pila Mulligan: higher of course being subject to debate, but useful there
Mickorod Renard: I guess that's the sort of meaning yes
Pila Mulligan: I think part of it is just remembering they are there, even when you are wandering in other places
Mickorod Renard: regular events in daily life can so distract oneself from the various practices here
Mickorod Renard: it never ceases to amaze me how often i need to refresh

2010.11.02 07:00 - us VS election day (in some reality)

Practicing

Eden Haiku: And yet this parallel universe can be just a step away...
Riddle Sideways: step, is a nice word
Riddle Sideways: step as in... you can do it, if you choose too
Eden Haiku: yes
Eden Haiku: what is stopping us to take this step?
Riddle Sideways: yourself
Eden Haiku: yes
Bleu Oleander: many do take the step
Riddle Sideways: maybe trite, but that is all that is stopping us
Eden Haiku: many do, I do sometimes, sometimes I do not dare
Eden Haiku: I fall back into patterns of shutting up
Bleu Oleander: need to support those who do, even if you can't do yourself
Eden Haiku: right
Riddle Sideways: thats what this group can do
Riddle Sideways: almost all of us have bared our minds here. and been rewarded
Riddle Sideways: another thing. there are more then one way to step
Riddle Sideways: many directions
Bleu Oleander: lots of ways
Eden Haiku: side steps are good too :)
Riddle Sideways: if you travel on only one path
Riddle Sideways: and take only forward steps
Riddle Sideways: then you go to that place
Eden Haiku: but if you wanna dance, then...
Riddle Sideways: which is very very nice
Riddle Sideways: just that it is not all
Riddle Sideways: exactly, if you want to dance
Riddle Sideways: "It's a lot like Dancing"
Riddle Sideways: by and about one of my heroes
Riddle Sideways: long ago, I found my happy place
Riddle Sideways: and wanted to go back there again

2010.11.02 19:00 - Gardens and Spirit Rocks

Eos offers an exercise for the 90 minute pause:

 Eos Amaterasu: In the next 90 secs, after the bell has rung, if something comes up (thought, perception, memory, anticipation, fear, hope, boredom...).... let it be

Eos Amaterasu: don't pull toward you, don't push away from you 

2010.11.03 01:00 - Bert and Cos trying Gestures

More questions:

Bertram Jacobus: A Question For U
Bertram Jacobus: Where d' U got UR Name from
Bertram Jacobus: Where do u see yourself in 5 MINUTES... TIME
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: where my name is from?
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: from my head,
Bertram Jacobus: sry - that was from the gesture ... ;-)
Cosmicflower Ushimawa: I see my-self at same place after 5 minutes than now ;)

2010.11.03 07:00 - True Self

I chose four experpts from this log; it is a good one to read

Yakuzza Lethecus: actually, i often think about what i am grasping for and try to gain out of contemplative exposure
Bruce Mowbray supposes that Buddha nature is not something we "reach" or "achieve" -- Rather, Buhhda nature is something we already are (and always have been). . . .
Yakuzza Lethecus: i am myself am roman catholic on paper even tho that i don´t visit a church on a regular basis
Bruce Mowbray: Yaku, is there a "Buddha nature" equivalent in the Catholic or Christian tradition, do you think?
Brian Roop: i think of it as letting the true self come through

Brian Roop: i think buddha nature is present in christian tradition but not well articulated
Brian Roop: our mystics are a mystery to us
Bruce Mowbray: So then, the "contemplative" traditions are where we "find" our "true self"? ---- in other words, though the mystics?
Ewan Bonham: I agree...in the high level of respect for the dignity of all life.

Bruce Mowbray: But isn't "God" or Buddha Nature, or the Tao, or the Christ who we realy ARE?
Bruce Mowbray: and therefore, our true identity (as most contemplatives would say) is divine.
Yakuzza Lethecus: for me it´s a calm comfortable form of that yes
Ewan Bonham: Divine to me means...a part of all...no barriers
Bruce Mowbray: The key, in Buddhism, it seems to me, is no-separation of the divine in all things.
Bruce Mowbray: yes, Ewan - - that's it.
Brian Roop: my favorite analogy is floating on a calm ocean
Bruce Mowbray: In J.D. Salinger's book, FRANNY AND ZOOEY, the little baby drinks her milk, and her older brother calls it "God pouring god into god."

Brian Roop: i lived in a strict Catholic monastery for a month once
Brian Roop: those dozen men were just about the humblest, kindest people i could want to know
Ewan Bonham: Brian, was it protective in it ambience?
Yakuzza Lethecus: hi alf :)
Brian Roop: how do you mean?
Brian Roop: don't understand
Ewan Bonham: Bruce had mentioned that maybe a monastery keeps folks removed from the ego world. Was that your experience?
Bruce Mowbray: Hi, Alfred --- we're talking about contemplation, mystic traditions, and vehicles through which persons come to know "inner peace." - - -
Brian Roop: they follow the Rule of St. Benedict which emphasized humility, acceptance of others
Brian Roop: and love of God above all things
Brian Roop: Gregory the Great says Benedict had a vision toward the end of life where he saw everything in a ray of light
Ewan Bonham: And white light is a combination of all colors
Brian Roop: Aquinas had an experience which led him to say that everything he had done before was so much trash
Brian Roop: no, straw
Bruce Mowbray: I've felt that same way. . . that even though I've meditated for over 40 years, that much/most of that time was "wasted" -- although, of course, it was probably necessary in ways I do not understand.
Brian Roop: Nothing is wasted, if the search is sincere
Bruce Mowbray: even "searching" in all the wrong places.
Bruce Mowbray: This would suggest that cosmos is basically gracious.
Brian Roop: Mother Teresa says what counts is effort not success
Bruce Mowbray: that no matter how furious the storms, the seas will calm down again.
Ewan Bonham: And the time spent in what may not seem productive can be used for lessons in the future
Yakuzza Lethecus: i often wonder the past should ever be considered to be wasted, there is the future but giving a negative value to unchangable experience will only create grief
Brian Roop: exactly

--BELL--

Brian Roop: all we've got to work with is the present moment