2010.11.01 13:00 - Three Hours worth of Timelessness

The Guardian for this meeting was Agatha Macbeth. The comments are by Agatha Macbeth. This was a *very* long session, and I apologise for being nearly asleep by the end of it!

Agatha Macbeth: Well hello there :)
Wol Euler: hello agatha
Agatha Macbeth: Didn't think you'd be here this early
Wol Euler: it's a public holiday so I only had to work eight hours :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hehe
Wol Euler: how are you?
Agatha Macbeth: I could be wrong, but you look naked :)
Wol Euler: enjoy it while it lasts :)
Wol Euler: the clohtes will rez soon
Agatha Macbeth: Not that I'm complaing....
Agatha Macbeth: Well it seems to have the making of an Avid outfit
Wol Euler: yep
Wol Euler: one that you don't have, I believe
Agatha Macbeth: There's a few I don't have :p
Agatha Macbeth: I don't buy up the whole shop like some people [cough]
Wol Euler: heheheh
Agatha Macbeth: You must keep Darwin in business
Wol Euler: some of us take their responsibility to support the SL economy seriously.
Agatha Macbeth: Yes, agreed :)
Agatha Macbeth munches her RL pasta
Wol Euler: and FWIW Darwin says that a lot of her customers are "completists", they really do buy everything she produces
Wol Euler: I only buy about three out of four, that hardly counts.
Agatha Macbeth: Lucky old Darwin eh?
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, nice
Wol Euler: Panther SE
Wol Euler: there's a coat too but I don't like it so much
Agatha Macbeth: I recognise that skin
Wol Euler smiles.
Wol Euler: hello mick
Mickorod Renard: yes its mine
Mickorod Renard: hi
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Mick
Agatha Macbeth: How's Micky?
Wol Euler: back to the black today?
Mickorod Renard: I may be a bit absent,,in mind,,,as i have stuff in rl i am doin
Mickorod Renard: yes,,back to black
Mickorod Renard: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Once you try black, you never go back
Wol Euler chuckles.
Mickorod Renard: so they say Ags
Mickorod Renard: :)
Agatha Macbeth: :p
Mickorod Renard: naughty
Agatha Macbeth: (Is it me or is it l-a-g-g-y here?)
Wol Euler: mmm, no more than usual I'd say
Mickorod Renard: I am ok tonite,,,so far
Agatha Macbeth: Not usually this bad for me
Agatha Macbeth: Seems to be taking ages for some of my lines to show up
Wol Euler: :(
Mickorod Renard: maybe its the seat,,i usually sit there
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, could be
Wol Euler: like a horse with a different rider, doesn't know how to behave
Mickorod Renard: yea,,u gotta know how to ride em
Agatha Macbeth: At least everybody remembered to come at the right time anyawy
   --BELL--(1315)
Mickorod Renard: coming at the right time is my speciality
Agatha Macbeth: :)
Agatha Macbeth: I was merrily eating my tea and suddenly realised my session was about to start
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: pretty much the same here, but my thought was: I'll have an hour extra in SL after the session!
Wol Euler grins.
Agatha Macbeth: Swings and roundabouts
Mickorod Renard: its nice that you call your evening meal tea,,its a sort of dying tradition these days
Agatha Macbeth: What else to call it?
Mickorod Renard: lunch is dinner and dinner is tea
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, not for me I'm afraid
Agatha Macbeth: Dinner's dinner, tea's tea
Mickorod Renard: no,,tea is tea for me,,unless I am drinking it
Agatha Macbeth: Riiight
Mickorod Renard: then its tea
Agatha Macbeth: I see (I think)
Wol Euler ponders the difference between tea and tea.
Mickorod Renard: have you both done the 4 imeasurables thing yet?
Agatha Macbeth: I got a tweet from Barack Obama earlier
Mickorod Renard: yes?
Mickorod Renard: wow
Wol Euler: wow
Agatha Macbeth: Seriously
Wol Euler: do tell.
Mickorod Renard: what he say?
Agatha Macbeth: Asking what time I was voting tomorrow :)))))
Wol Euler: heheheheh
Wol Euler: and?
Mickorod Renard: grin
Agatha Macbeth: I said I'll swim over and give him my support
Agatha Macbeth: Gotta love that
Agatha Macbeth: BTW, what is Nanowrimo?
Mickorod Renard: how do you know the tweet was from him?
Agatha Macbeth: It said so
Wol Euler: NAtional NOvel WRIting MOnth
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth: Can you write one in a month then?
Mickorod Renard: is that a local thing?
Wol Euler: starting no sooner than 00:00 on November 1, ending no later than 23:59 on November 30, write a novel - defined s 50,000 words of original fiction.
Wol Euler: not local, mick, worldwide, many years old now
Wol Euler: nanowrimo.org
Wol Euler: IIRC
Mickorod Renard: wow
Agatha Macbeth: How many word a day does that work out to?
Wol Euler: 1668
Mickorod Renard: I have a novel I was scrapping
Wol Euler: ah, can't use that :)
Mickorod Renard: no?
Wol Euler: it has to be a fresh start, else you'd never get the speed going
Wol Euler: you'd be tempted to edit
Mickorod Renard: yes true
Wol Euler: I know four people who did it
Wol Euler: (finished a novel, I mean; I know many more who started adn gave up)
Agatha Macbeth: Not surprised
Wol Euler: hello eden!
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Edie :)
Mickorod Renard: sorry,,i have to smell a baby
Agatha Macbeth: Pooh
Wol Euler: colourful!
Mickorod Renard: mmmm nice
Eden Haiku: hello :)
Mickorod Renard: just bathed
Mickorod Renard: Hi Eden
Wol Euler: mmmm
Agatha Macbeth: Psychadelia is alive and well
Wol Euler: really.
Eden Haiku: hehe
Agatha Macbeth: I think you have been hanging out with Bleu too much :)
Wol Euler: ha!
Mickorod Renard: wow,,just zoomed in,,i need my sun glasses
Wol Euler: it's contagious!
Eden Haiku: She showed me how to do that, very true :)
Agatha Macbeth: Well, it gets you noticed
Eden Haiku: hehe but do not let me interrupt, please...
Agatha Macbeth: Er, what were we talking about?
Mickorod Renard: I cannot remember now how many words it feels like
Eden Haiku: Always fun trying to remember that ...
Agatha Macbeth: You worry about the baby Mick...
Eden Haiku: Read something about smelling a baby. Wondered: is Mick an oger?
Mickorod Renard: well,,not worry
Agatha Macbeth: Oger?
Wol Euler: :)
Eden Haiku: Ogre?
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Mickorod Renard: oh yes,,baby smelt very,,,,nice
Agatha Macbeth: Sorry, i thought an oger was someone who ogs ;-)
Eden Haiku: Hummm, babies do smell nice...
Wol Euler: oh, I hadn't spotted that :) it's "oger" in German too
Agatha Macbeth: Sehr gut
   --BELL--(1330)
Mickorod Renard: ya?
Agatha Macbeth: (Shhh)
Mickorod Renard: writting books in a month,,that was the subject........I was trying to imagine how much ,,lost in the story that means
Pila Mulligan: greetings
Mickorod Renard: Hi Pila
Agatha Macbeth: Harold Robbins would probably manage it
Agatha Macbeth: Aloha Pila
Pila Mulligan: aloha `oe
Wol Euler: or agatha christie, or simenon
Wol Euler: hello pila
Agatha Macbeth: Simon who?
Wol Euler: author of Maigret
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, yes
Wol Euler: Georges Simenon
Agatha Macbeth: Course
Eden Haiku: Aloha Pila :)
Pila Mulligan: :)
Mickorod Renard: I would have to write about something I know about
Agatha Macbeth: What was the name of the bloke who played Maigret on TV?
Agatha Macbeth: Rupert somebody?
Wol Euler: oh there have been so many
Mickorod Renard: bear?
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Nnnnno
Wol Euler: murdoch?
Agatha Macbeth: Hang on, I'll take a look
Mickorod Renard: if i had to write about something i knew about I would have to write a very small story
Agatha Macbeth: Rupert Davies
Mickorod Renard: one for mice
Eden Haiku: :)
Wol Euler: 50,000 words is not a lot! "Gatsby" is more.
Wol Euler: it#s a very small novel.
Agatha Macbeth: Mice?
Eden Haiku: Missed the beginning but why would you want to write a novel in such a short time Mick?
Wol Euler: so a book about cheese and traps
Mickorod Renard: yes, they only read very small books
Wol Euler: and maybe cats
Wol Euler: it stated with nanowrimo
Wol Euler: NAtional NOvel WRIting MOnth
Agatha Macbeth hears Arthur Dent say 'I seem to having trouble with my lifestyle'
Wol Euler: :)
Eden Haiku: Picturing a book for mice, a very old musty book they can nibble on...
Wol Euler: a race between the writer and the mice
Agatha Macbeth: And very small
Pila Mulligan: digesting the content, eh?
Wol Euler: woh will get to the end first!
Agatha Macbeth: Pila :)
Wol Euler: :)
Mickorod Renard: mice are very ,,up there ,,on recycling
Agatha Macbeth: More than we are
Eden Haiku: NANOWRIMO, I see...
Pila Mulligan: how is your novel doing Eden?
Agatha Macbeth: I thought Nablopomo was bad enough
Wol Euler: heh
Wol Euler: I didn't even manage THAT last year
Eden Haiku: Hum....it's kind of... being delayed... :)
Pila Mulligan: :)
Wol Euler: too many holidays, eden? :)
Pila Mulligan: taking more than a month :)
Agatha Macbeth: Can you get writers' cramp with a keyboard?
Eden Haiku: No, too many other projects falling in my lap...With closer dealines. I'm recording my poetry for a CD and the deadline is like yesterday :)
Pila Mulligan: sure :)
Wol Euler: RSI
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
Mickorod Renard: wow
Pila Mulligan: cool
Wol Euler: nice
Wol Euler: congratulations
Agatha Macbeth: Deadlines, dontcha just love em?
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Zon
Eden Haiku: It's a project with Mexico (tranlstion in Spanish is read by someone else over there). Communications are not that goodbetween my publisher and the mexican publisher...Messy...
Zon Kwan: hi all
Mickorod Renard: Hi Zon
Wol Euler: as douglas adams said, "I love the whooshing sound they make asthey go past"
Wol Euler: hello zon
Pila Mulligan: hi Zon
Agatha Macbeth: :))
Eden Haiku: Hello Zon :)
Pila Mulligan: any other John LeCarre fans here
Pila Mulligan: ?
Agatha Macbeth raises her hand
Wol Euler half-raises hers
Pila Mulligan: :) have you seen his new novel?
Mickorod Renard: was once upon a time
Eden Haiku: Glad to see you today Mick. Tomorrow is my 1st PaB anniversary and you were the guardian that day last year :)
Pila Mulligan: 'Our Kind of Traitor'
Wol Euler: Loved "spy who came in from the cold" and the one in which smiley tracks the mole
Pila Mulligan: yep
Agatha Macbeth: I tend to stick to the ones with George Smiley in them :)
Mickorod Renard: no? is it good?
Mickorod Renard: wow,,is that true?
Pila Mulligan: it is really good until the end
Mickorod Renard: congrats Eden
Wol Euler: what a damning review :)
Pila Mulligan: yes, happy anniversary
Zon Kwan: can we have cake ?
Eden Haiku: :)
Pila Mulligan: :)
Wol Euler: happy pabiversary
Mickorod Renard: tinker taylor soldier spy
Pila Mulligan: yep
   --BELL--(1345)
Mickorod Renard: I didnt scare you away on that first session then Eden?
Eden Haiku: remembers reading "Spy that came from the cold" but has no memory at all of the book...
Eden Haiku: No, you were very welcoming Mick :))
Mickorod Renard: :) ty
Pila Mulligan: :)
Mickorod Renard: how far are you into the new book Pila?
Pila Mulligan: I finished it this wekend
Pila Mulligan: it had a weak ending too
Agatha Macbeth: In a month?
Wol Euler: :)
Pila Mulligan: oh, I thought you meant the leCarre book?
Mickorod Renard: yes,,i did Pila
Pila Mulligan: easier to read a book quickly than to write one
Mickorod Renard: :)
Eden Haiku: :)
Mickorod Renard: would you recomend it to me perhaps??
Pila Mulligan: beautiful story and character develpoment thenit just drops off about three chapters before it should have neded
Pila Mulligan: yes, except for the end :)
Mickorod Renard: owwww
Pila Mulligan: yep :)
Agatha Macbeth: Scrambled
Wol Euler: I wonder how long the Maigrets are? Probably not much more than 50k words. Simenon claimed to write them in a week.
Mickorod Renard: thats a pity,,i have read so many with poor endings
Mickorod Renard: I think it should be a sacred commandment
Mickorod Renard: one should always give a good end
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Absolutely
Agatha Macbeth: Save the best till last
Eden Haiku: What is a good ending?
Pila Mulligan: :)
Mickorod Renard: I will tell you later Eden
Wol Euler: a good question!
Eden Haiku: That would be useful for my writing :))
Wol Euler: it need not be happy.
Agatha Macbeth: They rarely are in my sexperience
Eden Haiku: That is for sure. What else?
Agatha Macbeth: -s
Agatha Macbeth: (Freud)
Mickorod Renard: thats timing Ags
Eden Haiku: Quite a Freudian slip my dear :))
Wol Euler: :)
Pila Mulligan: Shakepseare seems to have had a nice continuity between how the story grew and where it ended
Agatha Macbeth: Indeed
Wol Euler: tying things together is important
Agatha Macbeth: Egad and forsooth
Pila Mulligan: an end that wraps up the story nicely and with a sensible result seems good to me
Wol Euler: explaining how the jigsaw puzzle fits
Pila Mulligan: yep
Pila Mulligan: and of course a nice dose of irony or the unexpected can also work
Agatha Macbeth: I just love the ones that finish up in the air explaining nothing
Pila Mulligan: that's the new leCarre book's ending Ags
Wol Euler: also true, yes, like "Infinite Jest" or "tristam shandy"
Agatha Macbeth: (groans)
Pila Mulligan: :)
Agatha Macbeth: I'll give it a miss then
Pila Mulligan: nice story though
Eden Haiku: Yes the open ended ones are c  (crap?)
Eden Haiku: very compelling  (oh)
Mickorod Renard: I should think that the probability of most of us reading books without a good end is likely,,due to our nature of seeking answers to impossible questions
Mickorod Renard: thinking of most of us here,,at pab
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Pila Mulligan thinks of the ending of the recent RL miners rescue
Pila Mulligan: not always so happy, but that one was nice
Agatha Macbeth: At least that did have a happy ending
Wol Euler: very dramatic, I loved Eden's tweets
Eden Haiku: Yes, That was great!
Pila Mulligan: I had tears in my eyes with the first guy out
Eden Haiku: A real story with a good ending!
Mickorod Renard: brb(excuse me)
Pila Mulligan: real drama
Eden Haiku: With this little boy leaping at his Dad...
Pila Mulligan: yep :)
Pila Mulligan: now they get to be exploited by themedia/politicians circus
Pila Mulligan: hope they can rescue themselves from that part too
Eden Haiku: Sad ending...
Wol Euler: yea
Pila Mulligan: :)
Agatha Macbeth: 'Let me outta this studio!'
Eden Haiku: hehe
   --BELL--(1400)
Eden Haiku: More claustrophic than the mine maybe...
Agatha Macbeth: If they can make a buck selling their stories, go for it I say
Pila Mulligan: I think the risk for them is in the long term effect of all the publicity on their lives
Pila Mulligan: it could be dissociating (to use an ambiguous word)
Agatha Macbeth nods
Pila Mulligan: "Dissociation is a partial or complete disruption of the normal integration of a person’s conscious or psychological functioning" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociation
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like Mick's back with the baby...
Pila Mulligan: grandpa time
Eden Haiku: Falling asleep as he sings a lullaby...
Pila Mulligan: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Is that like Disassociative Identity Disorder?
Mickorod Renard: hi
Agatha Macbeth: wb Mick
Pila Mulligan: I don't know Ag, not familiar with the phrase, sounds liie it could be though
Pila Mulligan: wb Mick
Mickorod Renard: kids,,thats 9 lights i just switched off
Agatha Macbeth: What used to be called 'Multiple Personality Disorder'
Agatha Macbeth: Mick Renard - prince of darkness
Mickorod Renard: yay,,i have lots of them
Pila Mulligan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissoci...ntity_disorder -- sounds like an extreme aspect of it
Wol Euler: he's dressed for it.
Agatha Macbeth nods @ Pila
Pila Mulligan: the sleep fairy, Mick
Pila Mulligan: spreading dreamy sands
Mickorod Renard: :)
Eden Haiku: Prince of Darkness: a beautiful title for a sad ending story ...the characters keeps opening doors and closing lights and then...
Mickorod Renard: I do send babies to sleep,,thats another skill of mine
Pila Mulligan: :)
Agatha Macbeth: What does the sleep fairy do when he hears 'I want a drink of water?'
Zon Kwan: Disassociative Identity Disorder? does it mean multiple avatars ?
Mickorod Renard: no skills that anybody wants to pay me for though
Pila Mulligan: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Mickorod Renard: :(
Eden Haiku: Multiple avatars as a symptom ?
Wol Euler snorts.
Wol Euler reconsiders that snort.
Eden Haiku: you better :))
Wol Euler: I suppose it might be, sure. in the way that a pain in the upper arm might be a symptom of a broken bone.
Agatha Macbeth: But only might be...
Eden Haiku: Is there any associative Identity Disorder for people who stick to the same avatar?
Mickorod Renard: anyone got their head around the 4 immeasurables yet?
Agatha Macbeth: The 4 what?
Wol Euler: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmavihara
Agatha Macbeth: That looks more like a WoK subject...
Wol Euler: there might be something of that, Eden :)
Mickorod Renard: yes it is
Wol Euler: but I'd hate to name it here :)
Mickorod Renard: Pila,,can you explain Samsara?
Agatha Macbeth: Perfume?
Pila Mulligan: :)
Mickorod Renard: :)
Pila Mulligan: were I a Buddhist it would be easier :)
Eden Haiku: Like that! Please, explain samsara with loving kindness...Mick, you are an ogre!
Agatha Macbeth: Or an oger
Mickorod Renard: he he he
Pila Mulligan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa%E1%B...%28Buddhism%29
Agatha Macbeth: Can you explain Samsung then?
Pila Mulligan: :)
Wol Euler: or samhain
Eden Haiku: Smasun, Samsara all perfumes in the same explnattion Pila, please :)
Pila Mulligan: samsara can start simply with the cycle of rebirth
Mickorod Renard: I sort of slightly understood it once,,but it all gets muddled in my head
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Pila Mulligan: "originally, the word referred to a process of continuous pursuit or flow of life" -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sa%E1%B9%83s%C4%81ra -- then the Buddhists refined it :) Buddhists do a lot of refining :)
Pila Mulligan: never argue with a Buddhist or a Jesuit
Agatha Macbeth: Or a mafioso
Pila Mulligan: them too :)
Zon Kwan: cycle of birth and death repeating and tying us in it like squarrels in a cage running over and over again
Mickorod Renard: mmmmmmmm
Agatha Macbeth: How to open the cage?
Pila Mulligan: there you are Zon :)
Zon Kwan: to be aware
Eden Haiku: And being reincarnated as a human being. The only way out.
Yakuzza Lethecus: hey everyone
Wol Euler: hello yaku
Pila Mulligan: hi Yaku
Agatha Macbeth: Nice of you to show up Yaku :)
Eden Haiku: Heu Yakuzza :)
Zon Kwan: yaku hi
Mickorod Renard: I get the feeling that after some comprehension of the 4 immeasurables there is an opening up to samsara?
Mickorod Renard: Hi Yaku
Zon Kwan: hm..they may be the result of understnding samsara
Pila Mulligan: :)
Mickorod Renard: he he ,,yes,,i can see that too
Pila Mulligan: kind of like becoming familiar with a place, maybe
Zon Kwan: has anyone seen the film of bill murray
Zon Kwan: where he woke up
Agatha Macbeth: Ghostbusters?
Zon Kwan: in the same morning
Pila Mulligan: Groundhog Day?
Zon Kwan: every day
Zon Kwan: yes
Pila Mulligan: yes
Wol Euler: Groundhog day
Wol Euler: yes
Pila Mulligan: nice film
Wol Euler: wonderful film!
Agatha Macbeth: Right
Zon Kwan: that is samsara
Mickorod Renard: I have always found it dificult to meditate,,in the traditional form,,but I know see how important it is to stop loosing contact with what one gets to grips with
Pila Mulligan: yep, and it had a nice leanring evolution for him too
Mickorod Renard: yes,,I saw it
Pila Mulligan: how to stay in touch with the higher places, Mick?
Pila Mulligan: higher of course being subject todebate, but useful there
Mickorod Renard: I guess thats the sort of meaning yes
Pila Mulligan: I think part of it is just rememebring they are there, even when yo are wandering in other places
Mickorod Renard: regular events in daily life can so distract oneself from the various practices here
Mickorod Renard: it never ceases to amaze me how often i need to refresh
Agatha Macbeth: Ennui
Wol Euler nods.
Agatha Macbeth: Has the logger been behaving itself?
Wol Euler touches wood. seems so
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, okay. Good
Wol Euler: Fael thinks she found the problem
Agatha Macbeth: ?
Wol Euler: we're going to watch it for a week and see what happens
Agatha Macbeth: Something horrendously technical?
Mickorod Renard: do you think we do pab justice in the amount of time we alot to refreshing on the practice here?
Wol Euler: put it this way: she didn't even tell me the details :)
Agatha Macbeth: Oh
Agatha Macbeth checks her chat log JIC
Agatha Macbeth: Yep, no worries
Zon Kwan: gtg, bye all
Agatha Macbeth: C ya Zon
Pila Mulligan: bye Zon
Mickorod Renard: bye Zon
Wol Euler: well, mick, I'd have to say in honesty that we don't
Wol Euler: bye zon, take care
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Wol Euler: IMHO YMMV
Mickorod Renard: there is a tendency to reseurect it when a newbie turns up.....but i am poor for not reading the logs as it may be covered more so in other slots
Eden Haiku: Bye Zon. Was away for a few minutes, watching the spectacular view from the balcony. Orange foliage of trees against a dark blue sky at dusk. It stopped all my thoughts.
Wol Euler smiles.
Mickorod Renard: nice
Agatha Macbeth: It would :)
Mickorod Renard: pitch black here
Agatha Macbeth: For quite a while
Eden Haiku: Mystery of time zones...
Eden Haiku: What time is it now in Europe?
Wol Euler: 22:33
Mickorod Renard: 21;33 for me
Wol Euler: on 011110
Wol Euler: palindrome day
Eden Haiku: Thanks.
Agatha Macbeth: Notlob :)
Pila Mulligan: 11:34 am here :)
Wol Euler: no, a pun
Eden Haiku: Oh yes, palindromic...
Agatha Macbeth: Madam I'm Adam
Pila Mulligan: radar
Agatha Macbeth: Anybody remember 12.34 on 5/6/78?
Wol Euler: vividly.
Agatha Macbeth: Please tell
Mickorod Renard: ahh,,it sem like just the other day
Eden Haiku: 6th of May 1978....mmmm
Wol Euler: I was in the tutorial room, first year of architecture study, we were dozing lightly in the warmth when the tutor came running in to tell us
Pila Mulligan: bye Yaku
Agatha Macbeth: Bye Yaku
Mickorod Renard: tell you what?
Mickorod Renard: bye yaku
Agatha Macbeth: Where was that Wol?
Wol Euler: that it was 12:34 on 5/6/78
Pila Mulligan: :)
Wol Euler: in London, the archtiectural association
Agatha Macbeth: Ah, right
Mickorod Renard: they never do that for me,,i have to ask the kids what date it is
Agatha Macbeth: We were in the same country then :)
Wol Euler: :)
Wol Euler: for seventeen years
Agatha Macbeth: I was doing me O levels I think
Wol Euler: I looked different then :)
Eden Haiku: oh, how interesting Wol... So recorded the exact time and date in your memory...
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Agatha Macbeth: Different colour hair?
Wol Euler: right
Wol Euler: actually that is the first difference I thought of :) really.
Agatha Macbeth grins
Mickorod Renard: I am still travelling back in time,,not got there yet
Agatha Macbeth: You need a quicker Tardis:)
Eden Haiku: From the front door balcony, clouds are horizontal, glowing orange in dark blue sky also...Remembering Mick's lovely cloud descriptions...
Mickorod Renard: :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Mickorod Renard: them tardis always take you to the wrong place and time anyway
Eden Haiku: Shall we record this moment November 1st 2010 in SL PaB pavilion local time 17h41 here. :)
Agatha Macbeth: It's recorded anyway Edie :)
Eden Haiku: With Mick, Wol, Agatha and Pila :(
Pila Mulligan: :)
Mickorod Renard: yea, i still look at them clouds,,I am fortunate in that where I live seems to have extraordinary cloud features
Eden Haiku: Memory is an even better hard drive...
Agatha Macbeth: Yours might be :(
Eden Haiku: Oh, that,s nice Mick!
Agatha Macbeth: Mine's like a sieve
Eden Haiku: A pensieve?
Agatha Macbeth: Could be
Wol Euler: oh, if only :)
Eden Haiku: That,s the only kind I know (from Harry Potter's life)
Mickorod Renard: we have some low hills here too,,yesterday I walked up one and stood in the clouds
Agatha Macbeth: Low clouds then?
Eden Haiku: 'In" the clouds?
Mickorod Renard: well,,the mist of them
Pila Mulligan: that happens here too, Mick -- fun
   --BELL--(1445)
Wol Euler: alf!
Pila Mulligan: hi Alf
Mickorod Renard: like walking amongst wild herds roaming the skies..the moisture their conciousness that you share with them
Agatha Macbeth: Hello Alf McBox
Eden Haiku: Hello Alf!
Mickorod Renard: Hi Alfie
Alfred Kelberry: meep-meep!
Agatha Macbeth: Meep Meep ;P :p:P :p :P
Alfred Kelberry: oh, pila :)
Eden Haiku: What a beautiful image Mick!
Pila Mulligan: yo Alf :)
Alfred Kelberry: i've missed our i ching sessions, pila
Pila Mulligan: there is one tomorrw :)
Alfred Kelberry: good!
Alfred Kelberry: please, send a note, if possible
Wol Euler: hello ara
Agatha Macbeth: Hi Ara :)
Mickorod Renard: hiya Ara
Alfred Kelberry: ara fell from the sky :)
Agatha Macbeth: Beats rain anyway
Eden Haiku: Hello Arabella bella:)
arabella Ella: Hiya!
Pila Mulligan: hi Ara
arabella Ella: hey Pila!
arabella Ella: what a surprise!
Pila Mulligan: yo :)
arabella Ella: so how is everyone here?
arabella Ella: quiet today?
Pila Mulligan: fine thanks Ara, hoping you are also
Alfred Kelberry: lovely surprise :)
arabella Ella: yes thanks Pila
Agatha Macbeth: I think we've exhausted the conversation :p
Mickorod Renard: ok thanks
Mickorod Renard: :)
arabella Ella: although the difference in time between europe and the US makes things a bit difficult at the moment
arabella Ella: to be here for sessions i mean
arabella Ella: so that is why i am late
Pila Mulligan: yes, it is confusing this week
Agatha Macbeth: Yeah, we've been here nearly two hours already!
arabella Ella: cool Ags!
arabella Ella: waiting for me i assume
Agatha Macbeth: Natch :)
Wol Euler: of course.
Alfred Kelberry: how one hour difference can impact you :)

Having just arrived, Arabella promptly poofs
Pila Mulligan: oops, bye Ara
Alfred Kelberry: ouch... that was fast
Alfred Kelberry: has anyone seen a movie "the straight story"?
Wol Euler: nope
Alfred Kelberry: i really enjoyed it
Wol Euler: tell us more?
Alfred Kelberry: simple, but... complex story :)
Eden Haiku: With a good ending?
Pila Mulligan: :)
Alfred Kelberry: well, good or bad... who knows :)
Mickorod Renard: what was it about Alf?
Pila Mulligan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Straight_Story
Agatha Macbeth: Did Ara crash?
Pila Mulligan: seems so
Wol Euler: I guess so
Agatha Macbeth: Aww
Mickorod Renard: sent her a text just in case she hasnt noticed
Eden Haiku: It was very nice being with you this afternoon. Take care Agatha, Wol. Mick, Pila and Alfred :))
Wol Euler: bye eden, take care
Pila Mulligan: bye Eden
Mickorod Renard: bye Eden
Wol Euler: enjoy the clouds
Alfred Kelberry: ah... bye, eden
Agatha Macbeth: Bye rainbow girl
Mickorod Renard: that was nice
Agatha Macbeth: What was?
Mickorod Renard: having Eden drop in on us
Agatha Macbeth: Oh, yeah
Wol Euler nods.
Mickorod Renard: and Pila and Alf
Pila Mulligan: :)
Alfred Kelberry: mick?
Pila Mulligan: and mick and Wol and Ags and Yaku and Zon
Agatha Macbeth: And Mick, yes
Mickorod Renard: he he
Wol Euler: :)
   --BELL--(1500)
Alfred Kelberry: as one?
Mickorod Renard: and Ara
Agatha Macbeth: Albeit briefly
Pila Mulligan: yes, of course, Ara, however briefly -- thanks
Alfred Kelberry: woly looks beautiful today :)
Wol Euler smiles.
Agatha Macbeth: And every day
Wol Euler: thank you, alf. and aggers.
Agatha Macbeth smiles
Mickorod Renard: yes, very beautiful,,and aggers
Pila Mulligan: and Wol's tutor's reappearance from 12.34 on 5/6/78 :)
Wol Euler: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Wonder if he's still around?
Alfred Kelberry: tutor?
Pila Mulligan: Wol had a recollection moment earlier
Agatha Macbeth: Someone who tutes Alf :p
Wol Euler: hahahaha
Wol Euler thwaps you with a cushion
Agatha Macbeth falls sideways
Alfred Kelberry: :/
Alfred Kelberry: was in an i ching joke, pila? :)
Agatha Macbeth: wb Ara
Mickorod Renard: Hi Araa
Pila Mulligan: wb Ara
Alfred Kelberry: ah, ara is back :)
Wol Euler: wb
Pila Mulligan: :)
Agatha Macbeth: Was it something we said?
Alfred Kelberry: tutor... hmm...
Mickorod Renard: we would need to cut and paste it for u alf
arabella Ella: :)
arabella Ella: well ...
arabella Ella: I downloaded Phoenix yesterday and am trying it out today
Pila Mulligan: it crashed?
arabella Ella: and it made me crash within less than 5 mins
Agatha Macbeth: Ah
arabella Ella: and
Wol Euler: university teaching-persion, alf. Not a professor, more practical.
arabella Ella: it did not let me log in for 5 mins
Wol Euler: :(
arabella Ella: and i think that 5 min ban is so stupid
arabella Ella: i cant see what is behind it
arabella Ella: having to wait
Wol Euler: it comes from SL not from Phoenix
arabella Ella: yes
Wol Euler: the database needs to let go of you
arabella Ella: i tried to log in with Emergence now too
Alfred Kelberry: my v2 crashes very seldomly
Agatha Macbeth: Like it didn't with Bruce
arabella Ella: and it too did not allow me to log in and gave me same 5 min message
arabella Ella: my V2 crashed most of the time Alfie
Wol Euler: it was as crashy as any ohter for me. alf
Pila Mulligan: hmm, an attachment problem maybe (the database needs to let go of you)
arabella Ella: anyway
Alfred Kelberry: pila :)
arabella Ella: here i am
Agatha Macbeth: Dodgy connection
Pila Mulligan: :)
arabella Ella: none the worse for a few crashes
Pila Mulligan: Wol noted earlier today is 011110
Alfred Kelberry: pila, are the 5 skandhas a part of i ching concept?
arabella Ella: oh yes Pila I noticed that too today and meant to tell Wol about it
Wol Euler: :)
arabella Ella: as it is a fantastically symmetrical number i love it
Wol Euler: my reputation for geekitude precedes me
Pila Mulligan: nope, 5 skandhas is buddhist Alf
Agatha Macbeth: Looks like a binary number
Alfred Kelberry: ok
arabella Ella: :)
arabella Ella: it is such a lovely symmetrical number Wol isnt it?
arabella Ella: like a work of art
Wol Euler: mmhmm
Wol Euler: hello zen
arabella Ella: Hiya Zen
Alfred Kelberry: it seems that iching takes a lot of ideas, i thought maybe they encompassed that one too
Agatha Macbeth: Hiya Zen
Alfred Kelberry: zen :)
Zen Arado: Hi all
Pila Mulligan: hi Zen
Pila Mulligan: not that I know of Alf
Alfred Kelberry: ok
Mickorod Renard: Hi Zen
Alfred Kelberry: stillness
Alfred Kelberry: *wants some movement*
Zen Arado: restlessness
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Wol Euler: :)
Pila Mulligan: :)
arabella Ella: ok let me say something if you dont mind
Alfred Kelberry: or maybe i'd like to share my goodness with others :)
Pila Mulligan: please do Ara
Wol Euler: please do
Alfred Kelberry: *listens*
Zen Arado: do Ara
arabella Ella: today i read a newspaper article about life sentence prisoners in jail in the UK
arabella Ella: and one said he does meditation which empties his mind and which gives him ... some sort of peace
arabella Ella: can meditation bring freedom to those behind bars?
arabella Ella: (just a provocation)
Agatha Macbeth: Well it's the only kind of freedom they'll get...
Zen Arado: lots of prisons have Buddhist groups in them
Mickorod Renard: well,,I was thinking of Alfred Huang,,maybe Pila can ellaborate
Pila Mulligan: I tihnk Bruce was involved with teaching a prison group
   --BELL--(1515)
Pila Mulligan: Alfred spent many years in a Chinese prison, and he said meditation and tai chi saved his mind from disintegrating

I had to read that line several times over to realise he wasn't talking about *our* Alfred!
Alfred Kelberry: :/
Pila Mulligan: close to peace and freedom, but in a preserving sense
arabella Ella: oh yes this person said he does tai chi too
Zen Arado: prison would be a great place for meditation
arabella Ella: for me however the question arises: how free are we anyway?
Agatha Macbeth: Few distractions
Mickorod Renard: it must be soul distroying for many,,especially like Alfred who was effectively sentenced to death
Zen Arado: but maybe not
Alfred Kelberry: mick, what did he do?
Pila Mulligan: how free are we -- a big question Ara :)
Zen Arado: if you were in a cell with someone else they might not give you much peace
Pila Mulligan: Alfred Huang was a political prisoner in China, Alf
Zen Arado: it would be a lot about accepting things
Zen Arado: accepting your circumstances
Pila Mulligan: a monastic cell is different from a prison cell in many ways, but there are some similarities
Zen Arado: what was that Rousseau quote Ara
Zen Arado: ?
Zen Arado: about man born free but everywhere he is in chains
arabella Ella: Rousseau had said something like this: man is born free but is forever in chains
arabella Ella nods to Zen
Mickorod Renard: I sometimes think that the bindings we have self inflicted to materialism is in itself inprisioning
Zen Arado: wonders what that means :)
Alfred Kelberry: remember andy from shawshank redemption? he played music for inmates and was locked-up, but music he said, they can never take it away from me :)
Mickorod Renard: pls,,excuse my spelling
Zen Arado: we imprison ourselves
Mickorod Renard: yes
Mickorod Renard: with attachments
arabella Ella: is there any way we can go through life not in some sort of prison?
Pila Mulligan: even something as simple as vegetarianism can be liberating for some and a prison for others :)
Zen Arado: I notice how much a prisoner I am of my habitual reactions
Mickorod Renard: what part is in prison I wonder,,can the mind be caged?
Alfred Kelberry: ara, perhaps, social norms may be considered a prison
Zen Arado: they can try to imprison the mind...
arabella Ella: is the mind itself a sort of 'cage' or 'prison' i wonder Mick?
Alfred Kelberry: pila, i'm afraid i like meat too much :)
Pila Mulligan: the body is :)
arabella Ella: oh yes Alfie definitely IMHO ... for social norms i mean
Zen Arado: our conditioning is maybe
Zen Arado: if we let it
Zen Arado: meditation helps to see through it
Pila Mulligan: morality is a cage for that matter :)
Zen Arado: our mental chains
Alfred Kelberry: zen, habitual reaction is the 4th skandha :)
arabella Ella: are we not born with certain 'conditions' or 'conditioning'?
Alfred Kelberry: our reactions on perceptual impulses
Zen Arado: volitions?
Mickorod Renard: there is something said,,,like when facing hardship,,always take something nice in your head with you
arabella Ella: why should morality be a cage Pila?
Pila Mulligan: because our community contains itself within it, in theroy, and frowns on those venturing outside
Pila Mulligan: like plato's Cave :)
Mickorod Renard: I have wondered about this too Pila
arabella Ella: but are certain actions not intrinsically immoral?
Pila Mulligan: sure
Pila Mulligan: morality is double edged sword
Zen Arado: protects and limits?
Pila Mulligan: well, not killing is usually a real virtue, but how about not smoking mairjuana?
arabella Ella: yes i too can understand why you see it as a double edged sword
Alfred Kelberry: may i ask... when you hear "immoral", what do you think of? any examples?
Mickorod Renard: could it also be argued that if one took advantage of someone who is weaker, it is justifiable based on there position in life determined by Karma?
Pila Mulligan: :) nay to Mick
Pila Mulligan: Alf, not killing is a first example
Zen Arado: karma is based on what you do now I think
Mickorod Renard: :)
Alfred Kelberry: pila, it's a good one
Pila Mulligan: I like it too :)
   --BELL--(1545)
Pila Mulligan: bye Ara
Alfred Kelberry: doesn't say anything about killing the planet though :)
Agatha Macbeth: Folks, I'm gonna have to leave you, I'm really tired
Zen Arado: or killing yourself
Agatha Macbeth: I got the log, take care
Alfred Kelberry: zen!...
Zen Arado: bye Aga:)
Pila Mulligan: bye Aga
Wol Euler: bye agatha
Mickorod Renard: wheres ara gone?
Alfred Kelberry: wait, suicide is a sin in christianity
Pila Mulligan: crahsed?
Zen Arado: used to be anyway...
Mickorod Renard: bye ags
Wol Euler: I assume so
Wol Euler: my dears, I'm going to move on too, I'm tired.
Pila Mulligan: bye Wol
Wol Euler: take care, be happy
Alfred Kelberry: cause they need flock alive to work and sustain a community
Alfred Kelberry: woly-moly :)
Pila Mulligan: happy 011110
Mickorod Renard: bye wol
Zen Arado: time for me to go too I guess
Wol Euler: 29 more minutes of it
Mickorod Renard: bye zen
Alfred Kelberry: :)
Pila Mulligan: bye Zen
Zen Arado: bye all
Mickorod Renard: yikes,,is it that time?
Wol Euler ruffles Alf's antennae
Wol Euler: and poofs
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Pila Mulligan: well, 2.5 hours of pab
Mickorod Renard: this plane bomb stuff is bad again
Alfred Kelberry: *feels antennas wobbling*
Mickorod Renard: hi Ara
Alfred Kelberry: plane bomb?
Mickorod Renard: yes, they have found several planes with explosives on them
Mickorod Renard: from the yemmen
arabella Ella: Hiya!
Mickorod Renard: Yemman

The first try was closer Mick!
Alfred Kelberry: oh, yes... i heard some chatter
Mickorod Renard: you havnt shown up as offline yet to me
Alfred Kelberry: they say yemen is on a brink of a war
Mickorod Renard: Ara,,which must be an issue with your new viewer
arabella Ella: maybe
arabella Ella: brb
Alfred Kelberry: *looks up* beautiful night sky in sl
Pila Mulligan: :)
Mickorod Renard: he he ,,i always switch ti midday
Alfred Kelberry: i like it the natural way :)
Mickorod Renard: I just listened to something aout the bombs
Mickorod Renard: seems there maybe some thoughts about conspiracy again
Alfred Kelberry: pila, do korean companies incorporate iching ideas into their business in some ways?
Mickorod Renard: he he
Pila Mulligan: some, yes
Alfred Kelberry: oh, media loves fud
Alfred Kelberry: pila, any examples?
Alfred Kelberry: sumsung maybe?
Pila Mulligan: rl phone call at the moment :)
Alfred Kelberry: ah, sorry :)
Alfred Kelberry: say hi from sl robo-box :)
Pila Mulligan: :)
Mickorod Renard: where did u get the box from Alf?
Alfred Kelberry: i had it in inventory when i was born
Alfred Kelberry: you probably has it too
Mickorod Renard: wow,,that was nice
arabella Ella: back
Mickorod Renard: I dont recall
Alfred Kelberry: ara :)
Mickorod Renard: maybe i am too old
Alfred Kelberry: you glow nicely :)
Alfred Kelberry: :)
arabella Ella: who is glowing Alfie?
Alfred Kelberry: um... your goodness, i like to think :)
Mickorod Renard: :)
arabella Ella: the night sky?
Alfred Kelberry: there seems light coming from you :)
arabella Ella: ah ... very sweet of you, kind as always!
Alfred Kelberry: hehe
Alfred Kelberry: just sharing thoughts that arise :)
Mickorod Renard: somewhere I had a smile
arabella Ella smiles
arabella Ella: now i have a question for those of you who are using phoenix
arabella Ella: as i said i am using it first time today
arabella Ella: why do i not get an indication if someone chats with me in IM that there is something new there?
arabella Ella: like a flicker?
   --BELL--(1600)
Pila Mulligan: hmm, back, and just noticed the same thing Ara :)
arabella Ella: oh
Pila Mulligan: not sure why
arabella Ella: so if i had 4 or 5 IMs I would have to check each one to see whether anyone had responded?
Mickorod Renard: I am still on the old sl version
arabella Ella: does not work for me i dont know why mick
arabella Ella: neither does the new LL version
arabella Ella: Pila another question please
arabella Ella: when do you turn the clock back?
Mickorod Renard: now then,,i need to get some sleep
arabella Ella: Alfie do you know when the US turn the clocks back?
Pila Mulligan: next Sunday Ara
Pila Mulligan: nice to see you Mick
Mickorod Renard: please excuse me as I slip away to bed
arabella Ella: oh thanks!
Mickorod Renard: :)
arabella Ella: i must go too
Mickorod Renard: bye all
arabella Ella: good night everyone!
Pila Mulligan: g;nite Ara, sweet dreams
arabella Ella: lovely to see you all still here :)
Alfred Kelberry: night :)
Pila Mulligan: nice to see you too
Alfred Kelberry: ah, damn... i missed ara's question :/
Pila Mulligan: :)
Alfred Kelberry: thank you for the company, pila
Pila Mulligan: well,nice to see you Alfred
Pila Mulligan: bye for now
Alfred Kelberry: bye :)