Riddle Sideways: Sun gets up later and later each day
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Riddle Sideways: Dear Listener,
Riddle Sideways: Please allow your humble (almost) servant to follow up on yesterday's 0700 discussion.
Riddle Sideways: as you no doubt remember, the Canadian and US participants admitted knowing so little about the details of either countries history of treatment
Riddle Sideways: of indegious, native, aboriginial
Riddle Sideways: welcome Adams
Adams Rubble: Good morning! Sorry I am late. It is my RL person's fault
Riddle Sideways: Welcome Leaping Adams
Riddle Sideways: no need to place blame
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: I wanted to :)
Riddle Sideways: ok, then do so
Adams Rubble: do we have a topic?
Riddle Sideways: almost
Riddle Sideways: yesterday's topic
Riddle Sideways: or a piece of it
Adams Rubble listens
Riddle Sideways: funny how neither the Canadian nor US-ites
Riddle Sideways: knew much or were taught much
Riddle Sideways: of the treatment of
Riddle Sideways: first peoples, natives, indians, and other names
Riddle Sideways: the session sent this participant off to research
Riddle Sideways: finding Wikipedia the best source
Riddle Sideways: very detailed articles on both countries
Riddle Sideways: Canada treated the non-Europeans almost the same as US
Adams Rubble: Do you remember the exhibit Presidio and Missions in Alt California at the Museum of sacred Art?
Riddle Sideways: a little
Adams Rubble: Much research done for that
Riddle Sideways: and every 4th grader in Cal has to do a Mission project
Riddle Sideways: some research for that
Riddle Sideways: since parents do much of the project
Adams Rubble: the Jesuits tried to treat the Native Americans as people; convert them first and then treat them as equals
Adams Rubble: the first university in the Americas was founded a hundred years before Harvard in mexico City
Adams Rubble: then the Jesuits were kicked out and when the Spanish went into California, the Franciscans were in charge
Adams Rubble: and they muffed it
Riddle Sideways: yes
Adams Rubble: changed the diet and herded them in unsafe conditions so disease ran rampant
Adams Rubble: then the Mexicans came in and things were better
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Adams Rubble: then the US came in and systematcally slaughtered the native peoplles to get the land
Riddle Sideways: our local Father Serra. Now sainted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jun%C3%ADpero_Serra
Adams Rubble: yes, that was a mistake
Adams Rubble: I guess the California story was the most documented
Riddle Sideways: funny that they beautify the guy before sainting
Riddle Sideways: yes, by the Cal story they were writting everything down
Adams Rubble: beatify :)
Adams Rubble: are you suggesting a whitewash?
Riddle Sideways: well, very similar words
Riddle Sideways: beatify, does not mean cleanup?
Adams Rubble: the Spanish and Portuguese enslaved the native populations while the US and Canada killed them or gherded them into reservations
Adams Rubble: beatifu is stage pre-saints go through while their miracles are being considered
Riddle Sideways: ok, it does not mean clean up their records. how could that be confused
Adams Rubble: during the research for the exhibition, was surprised to see that the British, French and Spanish were annihilating each others settlements
Adams Rubble: it was a more brutal time then we have been led to believe
Riddle Sideways: and he got Cannoned in 2015
Riddle Sideways: was surprised to read the Canada version of histories too
Adams Rubble: the Canadians seem so civilized
Adams Rubble: but the pipe line battles have been ugly
Riddle Sideways: polite language, but if the resident peoples did not become Christian they were deemed not people
Adams Rubble: how are the native people treated today?
Riddle Sideways: well... (may get on soapbox) could be said 99% of us are not treated well
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Riddle Sideways: Canada seems to have taken most of the "laws" off the books
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indige...ples_in_Canada
Riddle Sideways: laws that took children away from parents to residential schools
Riddle Sideways: laws of non-chistians were made non-voting non-citizens
Riddle Sideways: of course non-citizens would never be able to own their land (that pipelines must go through)
Riddle Sideways: how does one get off a soapbox?
Adams Rubble: Canada is open to immigrants, many who are not Chrstian
Adams Rubble: are there two sets of laws?
Riddle Sideways: was hard to read, but think it said all those laws are gone now
reread the "Indian Act" section of the above URL and admended laws are still there.
Adams Rubble: OK
Riddle Sideways: of course, the Wikipedia info is to be trusted
Adams Rubble: :)
Adams Rubble: of course, Wikipedia never has difficulties with controverseral info
Riddle Sideways: never
Riddle Sideways: is group/peer edited
Riddle Sideways: not allowed to write your own bio
Adams Rubble: Russians made facebook identities during the recent election
Adams Rubble: Just had a thought wondering whether they might start editing Wikipedia
Riddle Sideways: always remember that Douglas Adams almost got a Wikipedia going years before it
Adams Rubble: sorry to be ignorant, that is an Adams I do not know about
Riddle Sideways: started a website to create the Hitch hiker's guide to the Galaxy, for real.
Riddle Sideways: oh, thought you knew all the Adams'
Adams Rubble blushes
Riddle Sideways: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Adams
Riddle Sideways: wrote that THE Answer is ...
Riddle Sideways: 42
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Adams Rubble: was only 49 when he died
Riddle Sideways: yes, far too young
Riddle Sideways: heart attack on exercise equiptment
Adams Rubble: hmm, Wiki said cancer
Riddle Sideways: none of us should do exercising
Riddle Sideways: hmmm, not see that
Riddle Sideways: his wife did
Adams Rubble: last night I was at a local gathering and one of the underlying topics is that as priviledged people we should be doing more. That was a thought I had when you were talking about the native peoples
Adams Rubble: btw, I read Wikipedia wrong
Adams Rubble: you are correct
Adams Rubble sighs
Riddle Sideways: yes, favorite topic with daughter
Adams Rubble: sometimes there seems to be so much that needs doing
Riddle Sideways: and how to do it all
Adams Rubble: sigh
Riddle Sideways: how to help ALL the poor
Riddle Sideways: how to ease everybodies burdens
Adams Rubble nods
Riddle Sideways: how to make everybody's future better
Riddle Sideways: almost wrote... MAGA
Adams Rubble: well much to think about this week
Adams Rubble: I hope you have a good day and week
Riddle Sideways: need to not Think so much about it
Adams Rubble: This will be a sad log to edit this week
Riddle Sideways: and (maybe) get up and do
Riddle Sideways: often is
Riddle Sideways: by for now
Adams Rubble: bye Riddle :)
Adams Rubble waves
Riddle Sideways: waves to your good week