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    The Guardian for this meeting was Riddle Sideways. The comments are by Riddle Sideways.

     

    Riddle Sideways: Sun gets up later and later each day
                   --BELL--
    Riddle Sideways: Dear Listener,
    Riddle Sideways: Please allow your humble (almost) servant to follow up on yesterday's 0700 discussion.
    Riddle Sideways: as you no doubt remember, the Canadian and US participants admitted knowing so little about the details of either countries history of treatment
    Riddle Sideways: of indegious, native, aboriginial


    Riddle Sideways: welcome Adams
    Adams Rubble: Good morning! Sorry I am late. It is my RL person's fault
    Riddle Sideways: Welcome Leaping Adams
    Riddle Sideways: no need to place blame
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: I wanted to :)
    Riddle Sideways: ok, then do so

    Adams Rubble: do we have a topic?
    Riddle Sideways: almost
    Riddle Sideways: yesterday's topic
    Riddle Sideways: or a piece of it
    Adams Rubble listens
    Riddle Sideways: funny how neither the Canadian nor US-ites
    Riddle Sideways: knew much or were taught much
    Riddle Sideways: of the treatment of
    Riddle Sideways: first peoples, natives, indians, and other names
    Riddle Sideways: the session sent this participant off to research
    Riddle Sideways: finding Wikipedia the best source
    Riddle Sideways: very detailed articles on both countries
    Riddle Sideways: Canada treated the non-Europeans almost the same as US
    Adams Rubble: Do you remember the exhibit Presidio and Missions in Alt California at the Museum of sacred Art?
    Riddle Sideways: a little
    Adams Rubble: Much research done for that
    Riddle Sideways: and every 4th grader in Cal has to do a Mission project
    Riddle Sideways: some research for that
    Riddle Sideways: since parents do much of the project
    Adams Rubble: the Jesuits tried to treat the Native Americans as people; convert them first and then treat them as equals
    Adams Rubble: the first university in the Americas was founded a hundred years before Harvard in mexico City
    Adams Rubble: then the Jesuits were kicked out and when the Spanish went into California, the Franciscans were in charge
    Adams Rubble: and they muffed it
    Riddle Sideways: yes
    Adams Rubble: changed the diet and herded them in unsafe conditions so disease ran rampant
    Adams Rubble: then the Mexicans came in and things were better
                   --BELL--
    Adams Rubble: then the US came in and systematcally slaughtered the native peoplles to get the land
    Riddle Sideways: our local Father Serra. Now sainted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jun%C3%ADpero_Serra
    Adams Rubble: yes, that was a mistake
    Adams Rubble: I guess the California story was the most documented
    Riddle Sideways: funny that they beautify the guy before sainting
    Riddle Sideways: yes, by the Cal story they were writting everything down
    Adams Rubble: beatify :)
    Adams Rubble: are you suggesting a whitewash?
    Riddle Sideways: well, very similar words
    Riddle Sideways: beatify, does not mean cleanup?
    Adams Rubble: the Spanish and Portuguese enslaved the native populations while the US and Canada killed them or gherded them into reservations
    Adams Rubble: beatifu is stage pre-saints go through while their miracles are being considered
    Riddle Sideways: ok, it does not mean clean up their records. how could that be confused
    Adams Rubble: during the research for the exhibition, was surprised to see that the British, French and Spanish were annihilating each others settlements
    Adams Rubble: it was a more brutal time then we have been led to believe
    Riddle Sideways: and he got Cannoned in 2015
    Riddle Sideways: was surprised to read the Canada version of histories too
    Adams Rubble: the Canadians seem so civilized
    Adams Rubble: but the pipe line battles have been ugly
    Riddle Sideways: polite language, but if the resident peoples did not become Christian they were deemed not people
    Adams Rubble: how are the native people treated today?
    Riddle Sideways: well... (may get on soapbox) could be said 99% of us are not treated well
                   --BELL--
    Riddle Sideways: Canada seems to have taken most of the "laws" off the books
             https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indige...ples_in_Canada
    Riddle Sideways: laws that took children away from parents to residential schools
    Riddle Sideways: laws of non-chistians were made non-voting non-citizens
    Riddle Sideways: of course non-citizens would never be able to own their land (that pipelines must go through)
    Riddle Sideways: how does one get off a soapbox?
    Adams Rubble: Canada is open to immigrants, many who are not Chrstian
    Adams Rubble: are there two sets of laws?
    Riddle Sideways: was hard to read, but think it said all those laws are gone now
          reread the "Indian Act" section of the above URL and admended laws are still there.
    Adams Rubble: OK

    Riddle Sideways: of course, the Wikipedia info is to be trusted
    Adams Rubble: :)
    Adams Rubble: of course, Wikipedia never has difficulties with controverseral info
    Riddle Sideways: never
    Riddle Sideways: is group/peer edited
    Riddle Sideways: not allowed to write your own bio
    Adams Rubble: Russians made facebook identities during the recent election
    Adams Rubble: Just had a thought wondering whether they might start editing Wikipedia

    Riddle Sideways: always remember that Douglas Adams almost got a Wikipedia going years before it
    Adams Rubble: sorry to be ignorant, that is an Adams I do not know about
    Riddle Sideways: started a website to create the Hitch hiker's guide to the Galaxy, for real.
    Riddle Sideways: oh, thought you knew all the Adams'
    Adams Rubble blushes
    Riddle Sideways: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Adams
    Riddle Sideways: wrote that THE Answer is ...
    Riddle Sideways: 42
                   --BELL--
    Adams Rubble: was only 49 when he died
    Riddle Sideways: yes, far too young
    Riddle Sideways: heart attack on exercise equiptment
    Adams Rubble: hmm, Wiki said cancer
    Riddle Sideways: none of us should do exercising
    Riddle Sideways: hmmm, not see that
    Riddle Sideways: his wife did

    Adams Rubble: last night I was at a local gathering and one of the underlying topics is that as priviledged people we should be doing more. That was a thought I had when you were talking about the native peoples

    Adams Rubble: btw, I read Wikipedia wrong
    Adams Rubble: you are correct
    Adams Rubble sighs

    Riddle Sideways: yes, favorite topic with daughter
    Adams Rubble: sometimes there seems to be so much that needs doing
    Riddle Sideways: and how to do it all
    Adams Rubble: sigh
    Riddle Sideways: how to help ALL the poor
    Riddle Sideways: how to ease everybodies burdens
    Adams Rubble nods
    Riddle Sideways: how to make everybody's future better
    Riddle Sideways: almost wrote... MAGA
    Adams Rubble: well much to think about this week

    Adams Rubble: I hope you have a good day and week

    Riddle Sideways: need to not Think so much about it

    Adams Rubble: This will be a sad log to edit this week

    Riddle Sideways: and (maybe) get up and do
    Riddle Sideways: often is
    Riddle Sideways: by for now
    Adams Rubble: bye Riddle :)
    Adams Rubble waves
    Riddle Sideways: waves to your good week

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