The Guardian for this meeting was Bruce Mowbray. The comments are by Bruce Mowbray.

Riddle Sideways: howdee
Bruce Mowbray: Howdy!
Bruce Mowbray: Aph just IM'd me asking if I was at the pavilion.
Riddle Sideways: what did you answer? :)
Bruce Mowbray: [13:01] Aph (aphrodite.macbain): ru at the pavilion? [13:01] Bruce (bruce.mowbray): yes, with riddle.
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Riddle Sideways: ok, kinda a silly question
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, Aph.
Riddle Sideways: hi Aph
Aphrodite Macbain: HI!
Riddle Sideways: nice outfit
Aphrodite Macbain: thanks!
Bruce Mowbray: Getting ready for St. Patty's Day?
Aphrodite Macbain: now just give me some fiddle music
Bruce Mowbray: AHHH!
Riddle Sideways: ah, that is why the marketplace is so green
Bruce Mowbray: VERY nice, Aph.
Riddle Sideways: almost got a "Kiss me I'm Irish" shirt
Riddle Sideways: very nice dance
Aphrodite Macbain: :-)
Aphrodite Macbain: thanks!
Riddle Sideways: to bad wiki won't take videos :)
Bruce Mowbray: Bleu and I are having a wiki discussion about "experts."
Bruce Mowbray: and what would qualify to be one.
Riddle Sideways: not qualified to even know
Bruce Mowbray: This is all growing out of the TSK group . . . .
Riddle Sideways: has lit fires under people
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, that seems to be the case.
Aphrodite Macbain: everyone is an expert in something
Bruce Mowbray: Especially in the era of the Internet.
Riddle Sideways: ty, but shouldn't drink during lunch
Riddle Sideways: wait, what?
Bruce Mowbray wonders why my beer is glowing....
Riddle Sideways: green beer
Riddle Sideways: might be radio-active
Bruce Mowbray: Luminescent green beer.
Bruce Mowbray looks for luminescent green fish to go with green beer.
Aphrodite Macbain: It's SL paddy beer
Bruce Mowbray: Tastes good, Aph. TY!
Aphrodite Macbain: Have you both got your costumes for the party?
Bruce Mowbray: I don't.
Aphrodite Macbain: a bit fizzy for me
Riddle Sideways: please excuse silence ... monopolized chat at session this morning
Bruce Mowbray: I suppose it would be in bad taste for me to wear the Dudley costume, right?
Riddle Sideways: Dudley D-Right
Riddle Sideways: +o
Aphrodite Macbain: ha ha
Aphrodite Macbain: not really
Aphrodite Macbain: you can watch over us to make sure we're safe
Aphrodite Macbain: from wicked people with moustaches
Riddle Sideways: nothin says St. Paddy's day like a Dudley Doright custome
Riddle Sideways: nice gestures
Aphrodite Macbain: can u salute?
Bruce Mowbray: CAN I salute!!!!!!
Riddle Sideways: just trying to learn gestures
Riddle Sideways: how do you do that
Aphrodite Macbain: Did you get the revised list I emailed to you Bruce?
Bruce Mowbray: Well, first I open them up, and then I assign them a hot key.
Bruce Mowbray: like F5
Bruce Mowbray: for the salute, of course.
Bruce Mowbray: and F1
Aphrodite Macbain: I have all my hot keys labeled
Aphrodite Macbain: on my computer
Bruce Mowbray: for the courtly bow, for which I must, of course, stand, in order to be courtly.
Aphrodite Macbain: keyboard
Riddle Sideways: and remember what they are????
Aphrodite Macbain: No
Aphrodite Macbain: I have the animations written in pen
Bruce Mowbray: I have mine all labled on the computer itself.
Bruce Mowbray: Wanna see them?
Aphrodite Macbain: ah me too
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: kk, here we go!
Bruce Mowbray: The courtly bow.  (F1)
Aphrodite Macbain: They keep changing depending on the play
Bruce Mowbray: the clapping.     (F2)
Aphrodite Macbain: running on the spot
Bruce Mowbray: the running on the spot.
Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!   (F7)
Bruce Mowbray: The regular bow.    (F3)
Bruce Mowbray: the wave.   (F4)
Riddle Sideways: need videos of you both
Bruce Mowbray: the salute.   (F5)
Aphrodite Macbain: wow u can do 2 things at once
Bruce Mowbray: the flip.     (F6)
 Bruce Mowbray: the flip again.
 Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
Bruce Mowbray: The yikes.   (F7)
Bruce Mowbray: Yikes!
Bruce Mowbray: the laugh    (F8)
Bruce Mowbray: and the dies laughing.     (F11)
Bruce Mowbray dies from laughing....

--BELL--

Riddle Sideways: seen that one before
Riddle Sideways: both
Riddle Sideways: oldies, but goodies
Bruce Mowbray: Dudley seems a bit hyper today, sry.
Bruce Mowbray: the nodding.
Bruce Mowbray: So easy, if you have hotkeys and labels.
Bruce Mowbray: Is Dudley allowed to drink beer, Aph?
Aphrodite Macbain: Only when he's working
Bruce Mowbray: So, what is an "expert," anyway?
Aphrodite Macbain: They are rehearsing in the theatre. I'll think I'll take a peek
Bruce Mowbray: kk, bye.
Riddle Sideways: should you both go rehearse?
Bruce Mowbray: Not until 5 p.m. slt, Riddle.
Riddle Sideways: ok
Riddle Sideways: but somebody is there now?
Bruce Mowbray: There are nine different acts, and Aph and I are in only two of them.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, others are rehearing theirs.
Riddle Sideways: oh
Bruce Mowbray: I really don't know how Bajoy (the director) keeps up with all of it.
Bruce Mowbray: I have trouble just remembering my own stuff.
Bruce Mowbray: Did you see the Pilish utterance that I composed for Pi Day?
Riddle Sideways: hey dRuth
Riddle Sideways: no did not see it, Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: Heya, druth.
druth Vlodovic: hey rid, bruce
druth Vlodovic: or dudley :)
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Riddle Sideways: this green beer from Aph is going right to my head
Riddle Sideways: literally
Riddle Sideways: why is it pouring down face
druth Vlodovic: it's called quaffng
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh!
Riddle Sideways: animations are out of control
Bruce Mowbray: As in Poe's "The Raven"
druth Vlodovic: if you do it wrong too much lands in your mouth and makes you drunk
Bruce Mowbray: "Quaff, Quaff the fine napenthe...."
Bruce Mowbray ponders whether "fine" is the right word.
Bruce Mowbray looks it up.
druth Vlodovic: the wordly lethe
Bruce Mowbray: "Quaff, oh quaff this kind nepenthe"
Bruce Mowbray: I sensed that "fine" was not quite right.
Bruce Mowbray: "Then, me thought, the air grew denser, perfumed from an unseen censer Swung by Seraphim whose foot-falls tinkled on the tufted floor. “Wretch,” I cried, “thy God hath lent thee—by these angels he hath sent thee Respite—respite and nepenthe from thy memories of Lenore; Quaff, oh quaff this kind nepenthe and forget this lost Lenore!” Quoth the Raven “Nevermore.”
Riddle Sideways: good sensing
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: I sense better when I'm not quaffing.
Bruce Mowbray: Which makes sense, I guess.
Riddle Sideways: yes, Dudley
druth Vlodovic: there was a movie called "the raven" which started with Vincent Price reciting that poem
Bruce Mowbray nods, listens.
druth Vlodovic: the rest was a horror comedy :-P
Riddle Sideways: ooooo years ago
druth Vlodovic: he had a wonderful voice
Bruce Mowbray: Good Vincent.
Bruce Mowbray: But, you know, he had his price.
Riddle Sideways: uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggggg
Riddle Sideways: was looking for a SL mountain top to sit on
Bruce Mowbray: Could either of you suggest a good domain server?
druth Vlodovic: people of a certain age all seem to have that measured pace to their talk, like he did, both my uncles do
Bruce Mowbray: Like GoDaddy or some such?
Riddle Sideways: Site5
Riddle Sideways: GoDaddy is really only domain names
Bruce Mowbray: Site5 like Site5.com?
Riddle Sideways: yep
Bruce Mowbray: I manage a website through GoDaddy.
Bruce Mowbray: and also one through YAHOO.
druth Vlodovic: 8.8.8.8
Bruce Mowbray: but I'm looking for another domain server for a friend.
Riddle Sideways: yep drUth
Riddle Sideways: DNS
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.site5.com/
druth Vlodovic: I know nothing, I asked my kid
Riddle Sideways: site5 is cheap, good and let's you have multi-site
Bruce Mowbray: Ahhh.
Bruce Mowbray: I will definitely check it out.
Bruce Mowbray: TY!

--BELL--

Riddle Sideways: have maybe 11 sites/domains on it
Bruce Mowbray: WOW!
Riddle Sideways: son knows password and keeps parking sites for friends there :}
Bruce Mowbray: Well, her whole website consists of less than 5 MB, so she would get the cheapest they have, I'm sure.
Bruce Mowbray: Looks like a good deal... only $5per month.
Riddle Sideways: yep
Bruce Mowbray: Could she migrate her present site name to Site5?
Bruce Mowbray: or would she have to change her site's name?
Riddle Sideways: think GoDaddy is only static sites. Brouchure-ware
Bruce Mowbray: Hmmm. Not sure what that means.
Bruce Mowbray: I manage a site for the Quakers through GoDaddy, and I change things on it all the time.
Bruce Mowbray: [in fact, I must change something on it very soon... ]
Riddle Sideways: simple site with static content
Bruce Mowbray: Thanks for reminding me.
Bruce Mowbray: "static content...."
Bruce Mowbray: I guess that's what we have, then.
Bruce Mowbray: Like, you get an electrical charge if you touch the monitor?
Bruce Mowbray: filled with the Holy Spirit, as it were.
Bruce Mowbray: You know those Quakers!!
Riddle Sideways: most our sites are dynamic depending who logins in.
Riddle Sideways: database driven, CMS Content mang sys
Bruce Mowbray: oh yeah, I've heard of that stuff.
Riddle Sideways: or blogs, galleries, wiki, etc.
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Riddle Sideways: stores
Bruce Mowbray: well, we just have pages.
Bruce Mowbray: and a few galleries.
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.circlevillefriendsworshipgroup.org
Bruce Mowbray makes note to change that March 13th notice.
Riddle Sideways: old school site
Riddle Sideways: just the info
Bruce Mowbray: VERY old school.
Riddle Sideways: get it done
Bruce Mowbray: yes, SIR!
Riddle Sideways: most sites are now so beautiful, artsy and complicated
Bruce Mowbray tries to synchronize salutes so he doesn't clip Blub.
Riddle Sideways: that the info gets lost
Bruce Mowbray: Do you know anything about Square Space?
Riddle Sideways: not enough
Bruce Mowbray: I went to their site this morning, looking for pricing, but couldn't find it... so gave up.
Riddle Sideways: see
Bruce Mowbray: It looks like Site5 has be best I've seen yet.
Riddle Sideways: but, it was beautifull
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, Squarespace has a beautiful site.
Riddle Sideways: and you could not find the info
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Bruce Mowbray: I'll stick with "old school."
Bruce Mowbray: (since I'm obviously NOT an expert!)
Riddle Sideways: druTh, that was an Aph question before you come in
Bruce Mowbray: Mostly, I use my own site to store stuff.
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, I asked Aph what an "expert" was.
Bruce Mowbray: LOTS and LOTS of photos of trips, etc.
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.hermitdog.com
Riddle Sideways: you did a cloud before it was named that
Bruce Mowbray: http://hermitdog.com/galleries_hermitdog.htm
druth Vlodovic: what did she answer?
Bruce Mowbray: I think she said everyone considered him/herself an expert, or some such....
Bruce Mowbray: I "did a cloud"?
Bruce Mowbray: sounds like a rather vaporous "doing"

--BELL--

druth Vlodovic: once upon a time I thought I knew nothing about computers
Riddle Sideways: [13:06] Aph (aphrodite.macbain): everyone is an expert in something
Bruce Mowbray: but most of my stuff is pretty foggy, actually.
druth Vlodovic: until talked to people who were experts
druth Vlodovic: and I knew more than them
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Cool, druth!
Riddle Sideways: often the case
druth Vlodovic: I suspect that calling oneself an expert introduces arrogance, so people stop learning
Riddle Sideways: don't cha just love talking to level 1 support phones
Bruce Mowbray: I named "hermitdog.com" after myself and my dog Bear....
Bruce Mowbray: (who is pictured on the front page, of course).
Riddle Sideways remembers Bear
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, a very good dog.
druth Vlodovic: the church website looks well done
Bruce Mowbray: http://www.hermitdog.com/Bear1-10-06.jpg
Bruce Mowbray: TY, druth. It is very very simple, actually, but it does what they need it to do.
Bruce Mowbray: (and Quakers are simple folk, too.)
Riddle Sideways: they wouldn't want fancy fancy stuff
Bruce Mowbray: and I do it for free. . .
Bruce Mowbray: right, nothing fancy.
Riddle Sideways: then they get what they pay for
Bruce Mowbray: Right!
Bruce Mowbray: I also have my price:
Bruce Mowbray: zero!
Riddle Sideways: Dudley Price
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: distant Canadian cousin of Vincent.
Bruce Mowbray: .... very distant.
Riddle Sideways: a couple work places have had SME s Subject Material Experts
Bruce Mowbray: (no ravens involved, whatsoever.)
Riddle Sideways: paid to be experts
Bruce Mowbray listens.
Riddle Sideways: one was distant learning courseware
Bruce Mowbray: sounds great.
Riddle Sideways: so needed professors in subjects
Bruce Mowbray: Yes, like Coursera and Futurelearn.
Riddle Sideways: yep
Bruce Mowbray: Lots of universities also have courses online, now, like MIT....
Bruce Mowbray: I've taken some fine computer courses from MIT, for free.
Riddle Sideways: we were doing it tooo early and nobody really wanted it
Bruce Mowbray: Recently took one in GODEL, ESCHER, BACH.
Riddle Sideways: /remembering that
Bruce Mowbray nods.
Riddle Sideways: the music guy, the drawing guy
Riddle Sideways: and what that other one do?
Bruce Mowbray: Just finished a fine course from Futurelearn titled "Literature and Mental Health"
Bruce Mowbray: Godel?
Bruce Mowbray: mathematician.
Riddle Sideways: yea God
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Riddle Sideways: el
Bruce Mowbray: :))
Bruce Mowbray: worked with Bertrand Russell.
Bruce Mowbray: EXPERTS!
Bruce Mowbray: ah HA!
Riddle Sideways: but Russell didn't get into the title of the book
Bruce Mowbray: Nope.
Bruce Mowbray: But he got listed as author of PRINCIPIA MATHEMATICA.
Bruce Mowbray: I need to go folks.
Riddle Sideways: usta think had some expertise in computer stuff
Bruce Mowbray: Need to pick up some liquor in town so i can face the election returns tonight.
Riddle Sideways: o ok
Bruce Mowbray: (after the rehearsal.)
druth Vlodovic: have fun Bruce
Bruce Mowbray: bye for now.
Riddle Sideways: runs away
druth Vlodovic: all hail president trump!
Riddle Sideways: by
Bruce Mowbray: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
druth Vlodovic: lots of liquor
Riddle Sideways: :)
Bruce Mowbray: FEEL THE BERRN!!!!!!!
druth Vlodovic: and some nepenthe

--BELL--

Riddle Sideways: are you still an expert?
Riddle Sideways: of course you are
Riddle Sideways: and on what?
druth Vlodovic: heh
druth Vlodovic: was just reading a comic similar to that
druth Vlodovic: http://www.robot-hugs.com/technigal/
druth Vlodovic: it does a gender thing
druth Vlodovic: women are inherently not experts and so need lots of help
druth Vlodovic: by extension men are always experts and as such don't need or get help
druth Vlodovic: kind of an annoyance both ways
Riddle Sideways: still reading
druth Vlodovic: both attitudes are a bit weird to someone who loves pioneer villages and history
druth Vlodovic: np, you're a guy so you'll catch up :-P
Riddle Sideways: :) maybe
druth Vlodovic: not long ago being a housewife was heavy and skilled work
Riddle Sideways: oh it goes on for more than 5 panels
Riddle Sideways: that is a guy's limit
druth Vlodovic: I'll give you time
druth Vlodovic: lol
Riddle Sideways: will read later
druth Vlodovic: basically she is a M2F trans talking about how her skill and knowledge was questioned a lot less as a male than as a female
Riddle Sideways: yep, got that far
druth Vlodovic: the rest is just proofs and examples
Riddle Sideways: ok
Riddle Sideways: have worked directly with 2 trans
druth Vlodovic: oh?
Riddle Sideways: is hard to not talk of things in the past without using the gender that they were during the story
Riddle Sideways: always thought that was proper pronoun-age
druth Vlodovic: I wonder what the Dear Abby on that is
Riddle Sideways: thought about asking, but never did
druth Vlodovic: better to ask in private if you can, I have unwittingly annoyed the hell out of people for months before they told me their preference on something
druth Vlodovic: but "asking" is a social taboo in the west
druth Vlodovic: you should "know" sigh
Riddle Sideways: 1. meant ask dear Abbie 2. yes, have been in that spot too
druth Vlodovic: we need cultural experts to tell us how to act
Riddle Sideways: in one case recently it was the correct thing to ask
druth Vlodovic: but by now I think we have been thorough in lynching them
Riddle Sideways: Queer friend says the ref should be "here" and "Zee"
druth Vlodovic: I tend to avoid those who get annoyed, which is part of why I say things the way I do
druth Vlodovic: which, in thinking about it is judgy and intolerant lol
druth Vlodovic: just say "it"
Riddle Sideways: then there is this personal war with pronouns going on
druth Vlodovic: babies are "it" until they are sexed or born
Riddle Sideways: have been anti-pronoun for about 2 years now
Riddle Sideways: ooooo more
Riddle Sideways: especially in SL
Riddle Sideways: no gender pronoun
druth Vlodovic: "This my my good friend Michelle, it is an expert in web design."
Riddle Sideways: no personal pronouns
druth Vlodovic: the military just does "sir" universally
druth Vlodovic: sometimes

--BELL--

Riddle Sideways: sounds about right
druth Vlodovic: here and zee?
druth Vlodovic: for what and what exactly?
Riddle Sideways: instead of a her/him and she/he
Riddle Sideways: friend is gender neutral and glad that 'queer' cam e back
druth Vlodovic: muh
druth Vlodovic: next time you get that try explaining that early queers adopted all of the pejorative terms and thus stole their power
druth Vlodovic: but Black organizations vilified all of the terms so now BEING black is a pejorative
druth Vlodovic: which is a major purpose of being specific in any "minority" situation
Riddle Sideways: and therefore best to ask
druth Vlodovic: mind you
druth Vlodovic: don't be within striking distance when you do
Riddle Sideways: sometimes
druth Vlodovic: my present idea is that a lot of it is a bunch of largely successful attempts to separate "other" genders and sex preferences from "mainstream" in order to create little kingdoms to rule
Riddle Sideways: helps to look honestly ignorant and need to be taught
druth Vlodovic: and most of the people getting specific are victims of a power grab
druth Vlodovic: lol, yes, that helps
Riddle Sideways: might be correct
druth Vlodovic: that is why I get very annoyed by the subject, that and my daughter is being used by it
Riddle Sideways: yet sometimes it is looking for a group to belong to
druth Vlodovic: groups have their cohesion greatly enhanced by alienating "other"
Riddle Sideways: wish that wasn't true
Riddle Sideways: but it is
druth Vlodovic: so Trump is helped by gay groups as much as gay groups are helped by trump
druth Vlodovic: to the detriment of both gay group members and Trump believers
Riddle Sideways: "Trump believers" is a really funny phrase
druth Vlodovic: repugnicans?
Riddle Sideways: but you are right
Riddle Sideways: wb bruce
Riddle Sideways: got da booze
druth Vlodovic: just in time to rescue you from my villainy
Bruce Mowbray: ty.
druth Vlodovic: Dudley do-right!
druth Vlodovic: curses!
Bruce Mowbray: yup.
druth Vlodovic: I seriously need that mustache twirling animation
Riddle Sideways: what was the female characters name?
Bruce Mowbray: Were you guys discussing Trump?
Bruce Mowbray: Nell.
druth Vlodovic: he was being used as an example of a type
Riddle Sideways: oh, then what was the horse?
Bruce Mowbray: Did you hear that Anonymous has declared total war on Trump?
druth Vlodovic: lol
Bruce Mowbray: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ciavyc6bE7A
druth Vlodovic: what if anonymous declares war on itself?
Bruce Mowbray: Then, Dudley to the rescue!
 
--BELL--

druth Vlodovic: lol, anonymous has a YouTube channel, so much for being anonymous
Bruce Mowbray: https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...7183858AARXSn9
Riddle Sideways: thanks so much. now will be watching anon youtubes all afternoon
Riddle Sideways: curse you, Dudley
Bruce Mowbray: :)
Bruce Mowbray: Dudley's horse's name was "Horse," or course.
druth Vlodovic: I knew a guy with a cat called "Gato" (spanish for cat)
Bruce Mowbray: kk, must be gone again.
Bruce Mowbray: bye for now, guys.
druth Vlodovic: "our way of life" sigh
druth Vlodovic: have fun Bruce
Riddle Sideways: bye
druth Vlodovic: and misuse of the word "war"
Riddle Sideways: ah, Horse was Horse of course
druth Vlodovic: a horse is a horse, of course, of course
druth Vlodovic: not sure where I heard that
Riddle Sideways: Mr. Ed
Riddle Sideways: darn, had to use a gender pronoun
druth Vlodovic: lol
Riddle Sideways: and what was the comic strip name with the gato
druth Vlodovic: they say Mr T renamed himself so people would call him "mister"
druth Vlodovic: which means something in the US
druth Vlodovic: maybe just a change from "boy"
Riddle Sideways: well, need to be gone
druth Vlodovic: have fun
Riddle Sideways: thanks for chat
druth Vlodovic: ttfn